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Title: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Butchers Bill on October 29, 2006, 06:14:51 PM
Although there are several others, these two moments in the game epitomize the reasons why AR deserves to be fired at the end of the season.

Its 4 & 9 near mid field but in enemy territory, at home, down by two scores with 7:38 to go, and your defense can't stop a Pop Warner team.  All football logic says you go for it.  AR decides to punt.  Horrible football desicion not allowing your best player (McNabb) to try to make a play and get some momentum going.

Its now 2:42 left in the game, and you need a big punt return.  Do you put in Lito (I think Westbrook was already hurt) who has the ability to turn a game around in a matter of seconds?  No, you go "safe" with Reno farging Mahe and gain 5-7 yards.  Again, bad football desicion.

These two desicions are a microcosm of what ailes this team.  Poor football desicions, poor clock/game management, and a total lack of in-game adjustments are killing any morale this team had left.  This team is now consistently out coached and the players know it.

AR has now lost this team.  This team no longer believes in his speeches, methods, or gameplans and simply does not care.  Something very similar happened to the Giants a few years ago with Fassel, and its now our turn.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2006, 06:28:41 PM
4rth and 9 after mcnabb was sacked by a 3 man line earlier on a 4rth and 5?


cant we keep all this in one thread?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Butchers Bill on October 29, 2006, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2006, 06:28:41 PM
4rth and 9 after mcnabb was sacked by a 3 man line earlier on a 4rth and 5?


cant we keep all this in one thread?

#1.  Yes. 

#2.  I didn't see a thread dedicated to firing Andy, so I figured I would start one.  If it needs to be merged, so be it.


Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Eaglez on October 29, 2006, 06:39:39 PM
Andy is so firmly entrenched in this organization, though, that he probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Fassel, on the other hand, wasn't exactly as firmly entrenched.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2006, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on October 29, 2006, 06:33:49 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2006, 06:28:41 PM
4rth and 9 after mcnabb was sacked by a 3 man line earlier on a 4rth and 5?


cant we keep all this in one thread?

#1.  Yes. 

#2.  I didn't see a thread dedicated to firing Andy, so I figured I would start one.  If it needs to be merged, so be it.




umm go into any # of threads and u will find the "fire andy" crowd.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Drunkmasterflex on October 29, 2006, 06:45:33 PM
The last part of you post is why I think Reid needs to go.  He really has seem to run his course with this team.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Butchers Bill on October 29, 2006, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2006, 06:41:20 PM
umm go into any # of threads and u will find the "fire andy" crowd.

I know that skippy.  Thats why I started ONE thread dedicated to the discussion.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: GeorgeBushFan on October 29, 2006, 06:58:01 PM
IT'S NOT ANDY REID'S FAULT YOU BUMS. IT'S LITO SHEPPHARDS.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:38:32 PM
andy is an embarrassment

how do punt down two scores with seven minutes left

and how do you call a timeout after a measurement

what a friggin joke he is
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 07:40:34 PM
I want to know what happened to bad ass, push a sled and then cut Hegamin, players afraid of the coach, Andy Reid?

What the farg happened to him?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:43:20 PM
villanova finneran?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 07:49:13 PM
That too.

I got pissed last year when the pre/post game shows would all talk about how Andy wasn't as bad ass as Parcells and that's why TO would be fine in Dallas. Because I thought he was still the same guy he was back in the day when players were outright afraid of him.

I was wrong. He's a full blown softie and I have no idea why/when this happened. But it bothers the crap out of me.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 29, 2006, 07:50:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:38:32 PM
and how do you call a timeout after a measurement

what a friggin joke he is

Um... because the Jags had the ball and the refs wind the clock after a measurement?

At least direct your rage at one of the actual mistakes.  There are plenty.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 29, 2006, 07:50:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:38:32 PM
and how do you call a timeout after a measurement

what a friggin joke he is

Um... because the Jags had the ball and the refs wind the clock after a measurement?

At least direct your rage at one of the actual mistakes.  There are plenty.

[IGY]lololol[/IGY]
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:52:50 PM
hes way too comfortable to be hard....and he doesnt have that fire inside of him that hates losing...does he want to win...yes...does he despise losing....no

on top of that he knows hes a lifer...lurie is ed snider reid is bobby clarke and its 1993

Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 07:53:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:38:32 PM
andy is an embarrassment

how do punt down two scores with seven minutes left

Ridiculous call.

I knew that shtein was over then. I mean, it looked bad already but that sealed it right there.

Piss poor decision.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:52:50 PM
hes way too comfortable to be hard....and he doesnt have that fire inside of him that hates losing...does he want to win...yes...does he despise losing....no

on top of that he knows hes a lifer...lurie is ed snider reid is bobby clarke and its 1993


I just had this conversation with my neighbor. He said that he thinks Reid is gone at the end of the year, and I said probably not....that Banner and Lurie would never do it.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 07:52:50 PM
hes way too comfortable to be hard....and he doesnt have that fire inside of him that hates losing...does he want to win...yes...does he despise losing....no

on top of that he knows hes a lifer...lurie is ed snider reid is bobby clarke and its 1993



Paul Domowitch, is that you?

Hebron and Didinger said it on PGL that Reid is still able to make the tough decisions. They had Jim Cramer on too and he said when it comes down to making business decisions this organization can and will do it.

I believe he hates losing. He was pissed off in his PC today. Most pissed I've ever seen him.

But he's going nowhere. The only way he gets shtein canned is if they suck in 2008. He'll get 2007 and then if it ain't right in '08 then it'll be an option.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Rome on October 29, 2006, 07:59:42 PM
When do pitchers and catchers report?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 08:00:04 PM
108 days
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:02:44 PM
I believe he hates losing

im sure you do
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Rome on October 29, 2006, 08:03:28 PM
WAR Jamie Moyer.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 08:03:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:02:44 PM
I believe he hates losing

im sure you do

Why do you think, other than the irrational hatred towards him, he doesn't hate losing?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 29, 2006, 08:06:54 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 29, 2006, 07:59:42 PM
When do pitchers and catchers report?

HAHA...I said that today too. With the Flyers in the toilet, the Sixers with no hope and the Eagles playing like they are half asleep (or on Percoset), the Phils are the most exciting prospect with Utley and Howard (and no Leiberthal and Bell) lol.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Rome on October 29, 2006, 08:11:39 PM
The Phillies play the Yankees on St. Patty's Day in Clearwater next spring. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/schedule/tentative_2007_spring_schedule.jsp)

I smell a road trip.  Anybody wanna go?

:-D
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 29, 2006, 08:11:56 PM
This could be the first year for as long as I can remember......possibly during my life time where no Philly team makes the playoffs.

2006 Philles - dead
2006 Eagles - dead
2006/07 Flyers - dead
2006/07 Sixers - :-D 
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:12:04 PM
Why do you think, other than the irrational hatred towards him, he doesn't hate losing?

cause he comes to interviews with 750 page manuals
cause he knows hes untouchable
cause he believes things will just work out
cause he 'has to get better' and never does
cause hes a robot...and robots dont feel things like disappointment and rage
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 08:14:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:12:04 PM
Why do you think, other than the irrational hatred towards him, he doesn't hate losing?

cause he comes to interviews with 750 page manuals
cause he knows hes untouchable
cause he believes things will just work out
cause he 'has to get better' and never does
cause hes a robot...and robots dont feel things like disappointment and rage

So in other words its the irrational hatred creepin' in.

Just because he doesn't show us his emotions doesn't mean jack. He puts up that facade on purpose.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Geowhizzer on October 29, 2006, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 29, 2006, 08:11:39 PM
The Phillies play the Yankees on St. Patty's Day in Clearwater next spring. (http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/schedule/tentative_2007_spring_schedule.jsp)

I smell a road trip.  Anybody wanna go?

:-D

You score the tix, Rome, and I'll meet you there with my half of the $$$.  I even have a green Phillies cap (old-style, of course) somewhere.

Provided it's OK with the 7+ month pregnant wife, of course.   :paranoid
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:19:34 PM
I smell a road trip.  Anybody wanna go?

im down...my girls mother lives 20 minutes north of daytona....how far is that from clearwater
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Rome on October 29, 2006, 08:20:01 PM
The only thing worse than watching that botched abortion of a game today was watching it sober.

I wish I was shteinfaced right now.

Oh, and firing Andy Reid is an idiotic sentiment.  I share it but that doesn't make it any less retarded.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: TexasEagle on October 29, 2006, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 08:14:06 PM
He puts up that facade on purpose.

That's encouraging.

I'd be more convinced that he cared more about losing if he actually tried to change his approach to the game so that they would do something to keep them from losing.

15 called runs and 34 attempted passes (plus another 5 McNabb scrambles for 38 if you want to count those) today - not like the team was down 30 points on a perfect day. They were down by 7 points for the majority of the day. What the hell happened to that so called "balance" that Reid was going to be working on this year?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Rome on October 29, 2006, 08:23:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:19:34 PM
I smell a road trip.  Anybody wanna go?

im down...my girls mother lives 20 minutes north of daytona....how far is that from clearwater


It's about a two and a half hour ride from Daytona to Clearwater if traffic is clear on the Interstate.  We usually leave early on Saturday morning and get to Clearwater and do a tailgate before the game.  Beers, food, music... the whole deal.  We stay over in Clearwater Beach after the game and then party at the beach bars until closing.

If you guys have never been, it's an amazing trip.  We had beers after the game last year with Sal Fasano and Larry Anderson at the Tiki Bar at the ball park.  L.A. can drink like a motherfarger...   :o

Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 08:25:15 PM
Hey, I agree about the run. They should've run it way more than they did today. Way more. And when they go to Indy they need to pound it because the Indy run D blows. He has to adjust to what the defense is giving him.

But, like Ray Didinger said today, this whole notion that Andy doesn't care because he isn't ranting and raving in his PC (although he came damn close today) doesn't mean he doesn't care or is emotionless. He said that some people might've watched too many Knute Rockne speeches. This is the NFL. Andy coming out and blasting away doesn't make then play better or worse.

Fixing the problems, which is done in a team setting, is what'll help. And that is the only thing.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: TexasEagle on October 29, 2006, 08:28:46 PM
I don't care if he rants and raves, I care that he doesn't fix the shtein that's wrong and rarely, if ever, has. Every week (year?) it's the same old shtein week in and week out. It's one thing to try something new and have it fail. It's something else to do the same shtein time after time and ignore what's not working.

Besides being a horrible game day coach it's that stubbornness that's so maddening.

It's like he's determined to make his shtein work come hell or high water no matter how many times it fails.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: GeneralZOD on October 29, 2006, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on October 29, 2006, 08:28:46 PM
I don't care if he rants and raves, I care that he doesn't fix the shtein that's wrong and rarely, if ever, has. Every week (year?) it's the same old shtein week in and week out. It's one thing to try something new and have it fail. It's something else to do the same shtein time after time and ignore what's not working.

Besides being a horrible game day coach it's that stubbornness that's so maddening.

It's like he's determined to make his shtein work come hell or high water no matter how many times it fails.

LOL, He reminds me of Joe Paterno........
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 29, 2006, 08:39:39 PM
Besides being a horrible game day coach it's that stubbornness that's so maddening.

It's like he's determined to make his shtein work come hell or high water no matter how many times it fails.



pretty much

Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Rome on October 29, 2006, 08:46:56 PM
First down:  Long pass failed.

Second down: Screen pass dropped.

Third down: Run... 3 yards gained.

Fourth down:  Punt - 40 yards, 10 yard return.



That's what the last three games have felt like when the Eagles haven't gotten drives going.  Somehow, somewhere, someone has got to notice that the offensive gameplan is not working and has to be changed.

Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: SunMo on October 29, 2006, 08:48:33 PM
so many threads....so much anger.

of all the games i've ever been to, of all the horrible losses...i've never left a game feeling as if i wasted my time, and that's what today felt like.  something felt off right from the start, the crowd wasn't into it, and neither was the team obviously.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Butchers Bill on October 29, 2006, 10:30:01 PM
Quote from: SunMo on October 29, 2006, 08:48:33 PM
so many threads....so much anger.

of all the games i've ever been to, of all the horrible losses...i've never left a game feeling as if i wasted my time, and that's what today felt like.  something felt off right from the start, the crowd wasn't into it, and neither was the team obviously.

Couldn't agree more.  My wife said as much as we were walking into the game today, that the regular atmosphere just wasn' there.  There were several times during the game that the Jags had the ball, and the Linc was silent.  Not quiet...silent.

Were this a one-game downer, I could somewhat accept that.  We now have pattern, and that is why AR needs to go at the end of the season.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: The BIGSTUD on October 29, 2006, 10:41:37 PM
I would like to see Andy just run the ball 3 straight downs on the beginning of a drive for once. Even if it's 3rd and 7 still run the ball. Even if we don't make the first down and punt, when we get the ball back run 3 straight times again.

Just to show he's not farging afraid to do it. I don't even care if we don't pick up the first down. Just show you'll stick to the run.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Don Ho on October 29, 2006, 10:44:45 PM
farg it, i'm still pissed about last week.

watching Tony Romo play a fairly descent game this evening makes me more sick.  Not because he's on the cowboys but because he is an undrafted qb out of Eastern Illinois. 

BRING BACK TIMMY CHANG!

Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Magical_Retard on October 29, 2006, 11:24:11 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2006, 08:25:15 PM
Hey, I agree about the run. They should've run it way more than they did today. Way more. And when they go to Indy they need to pound it because the Indy run D blows. He has to adjust to what the defense is giving him.

But, like Ray Didinger said today, this whole notion that Andy doesn't care because he isn't ranting and raving in his PC (although he came damn close today) doesn't mean he doesn't care or is emotionless. He said that some people might've watched too many Knute Rockne speeches. This is the NFL. Andy coming out and blasting away doesn't make then play better or worse.

Fixing the problems, which is done in a team setting, is what'll help. And that is the only thing.

lol its not worth it. he also thinks mcnabb is fragile because he didnt publicly call out TO or basically act like TO does. we all know reid calling players our or having a dennis green or parcells like moment has any effect on the team and how u play. we have been 4-3 b4 with reid and we almost always have corrected but it seems like we wont this season. and i refuse to believe we won for so long in spite of reid...cause quite frankly we were never that talented offensively to do so. of course there are things he can improve and if the losing continues into next season ill be calling for a change also.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Philly_Crew on October 30, 2006, 08:15:07 AM
Quote from: SunMo on October 29, 2006, 08:48:33 PM
so many threads....so much anger.

of all the games i've ever been to, of all the horrible losses...i've never left a game feeling as if i wasted my time, and that's what today felt like.  something felt off right from the start, the crowd wasn't into it, and neither was the team obviously.

Your avatar makes me happy.  I'm still dying inside, but at least I know there is still hope in the world.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 30, 2006, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: Philly_Crew on October 30, 2006, 08:15:07 AM
Your avatar makes me happy.  I'm still dying inside, but at least I know there is still hope in the world.

Speaking of which, your avatar is infuriating.  What can Brown do?  He can either get open and let the pass clang off of his fingertips, OR he can get open and have McNabb miss him by 5+ yards, OR he can just not bother getting open in the first place.  He's a triple threat!
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 08:39:21 AM
How many drives yesterday began with the Eagles throwing on 1st down?  I counted the first 4 or 5 but quickly lost interest in trying to keep note of any stats affiliated with that game at all......much like I basically lost any and all interest in the game itself.  But I decided to look it up today.  Mostly because it's Monday and I'd rather research stats than work.  So here's what I came up with. 

1st Drive:  Incomplete pass to Reggie Brown
2nd Drive:  Complete to Brian Westbrook for 2 yards
3rd Drive:  Incomplete to Brian Westbrook
4th Drive:  Donovan McNabb sacked
5th Drive:  McNabb complete to Brian Westbrook for 7 yards
6th Drive:  Correll Buckhalter runs for 4 yards
7th Drive:  McNabb passes to Brian Westbrook for 26 yards*
8th Drive:  Brian Westbrook runs for 2 yards
9th Drive:  Donovan McNabb runs for 12 yards (after a false start penalty)
10th Drive:  Complete pass to Donte Stallworth for 17 yards
11th Drive:  Complete pass to Donte Stallworth for 29 yards

*Drive only consisted of 1 play before the end of the half. 

The first play of the first 5 drives in this game were all passing plays.  And out of the 11 possessions the Eagles offense had, only 2 started off with a called run.  If that isn't predictable play calling then I don't know what is. 

Way to keep the defense off balance Reid.  You're super.   
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2006, 09:06:37 AM
good numbers sarge

just pathetic
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Butchers Bill on October 30, 2006, 09:36:13 AM
To reiterate, Reid has lost this team:

Quote
"Donovan runs the plays coach calls," tight end L.J. Smith said. "If coach calls the play, we've got to run it. He sees it one way, and that's the way you've got to go with it."

Ultimately, there's the most dangerous development for Reid — that the small cracks in the locker room, the ones that winning always caulks, grow into a greater disconnect between himself and his players. Suddenly, there might be signs.

Asked if the Eagles should have run the ball more, guard Shawn Andrews said: "I wouldn't personally say I'm a student of the game, but if you've got 57 mph winds, you tell me."

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/256-10302006-734221.html
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2006, 09:40:32 AM
Asked if the Eagles should have run the ball more, guard Shawn Andrews said: "I wouldn't personally say I'm a student of the game, but if you've got 57 mph winds, you tell me."


lol....awesome

good boy shawn
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Feva on October 30, 2006, 09:55:40 AM
It's true.  Absolutely true.

Everyone and their momma knew ALL WEEK that there were going to be high winds during the game.  You'd like to think Andy would recognize this and adjust his gameplan accordingly.  Nope.  Instead, he stubbornly forges ahead with his fragile ass "chuck the ball around" gameplan... hoping for someone to come up with a lucky play.

Jack Del Rio understood the weather conditions, and like any competent coach, he adjusted... and the Eagles got the ball ran down their throats more than 40 times for almost 200 yards.

farging infuriating.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 30, 2006, 09:40:32 AM
Asked if the Eagles should have run the ball more, guard Shawn Andrews said: "I wouldn't personally say I'm a student of the game, but if you've got 57 mph winds, you tell me."


lol....awesome

good boy shawn


Andrews will be fined, benched and/or cut by tomorrow. 
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Rome on October 30, 2006, 10:02:43 AM
I find it funny that anyone on the o-line is criticizing anyone.

They got schooled all day long by a Jaguars defensive line that scares no one without Marcus Stroud.

Instead of pissing and moaning about play-calling, maybe they should play better instead?


PS: I agree with Slim Andrews about the play-calling, but still, it's absurd that he's making comments questioning the play selection after yesterday's collective washout.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 10:02:52 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 30, 2006, 09:55:40 AM
It's true. Absolutely true.

Everyone and their momma knew ALL WEEK that there were going to be high winds during the game. You'd like to think Andy would recognize this and adjust his gameplan accordingly. Nope. Instead, he stubbornly forges ahead with his fragile ass "chuck the ball around" gameplan... hoping for someone to come up with a lucky play.

Jack Del Rio understood the weather conditions, and like any competent coach, he adjusted... and the Eagles got the ball ran down their throats more than 40 times for almost 200 yards.

farging infuriating.

This is Reid's thought process when it comes to game planning:

"It's going to be a sunny day with no wind.  Perfect day for passing.  Sweeeeeeeet."

.......and........

"It's going to be cold/rainy/windy/snowing on Sunday.  Everyone will totally be expecting us to run so I'm going to catch everyone off guard and throw the ball all over the place.  Sweeeeeeeet."
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2006, 10:06:35 AM
he doesnt adjust his game plan for an opponent...jags all pro DT and mlb were both missing

why would he change it for some measly weather

Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: Cerevant on October 30, 2006, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 10:02:52 AM
This is Reid's thought process when it comes to game planning:

To paraphrase RJS:

Quote from: rjs246 on September 30, 2005, 02:59:56 PM
"Cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger one yard screen cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger throw the ball cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger runningbacks are just slow receivers cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger a swing pass is a running play cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger James Thrash cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger bowel movement."
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 10:22:47 AM
Actually, I think you're quoting him. 
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Cerevant on October 30, 2006, 10:24:06 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 10:22:47 AM
Actually, I think you're quoting him. 

No, this version has been updated to reflect current events.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2006, 10:29:49 AM
I see that now.  My mistake. 
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: BigEd76 on October 30, 2006, 10:41:38 AM
Andy's "Script O' 15 Plays" worked like this yesterday:

3-and-out
3-and-out
3-and-out
3-and-out
3rd-and-1 converted by Westbrook
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: mussa on October 30, 2006, 10:45:27 AM
the team right now has been a broken record for 2 yrs straight. nothing has changed. no adjustments. everyone knows what we're going to do. andy reid has 8 games to show us what he's made of, and so do the players. i don't think they will can him after the season, unless they go 4-12, which I think is possible after yesterday's performance and the tough schedule ahead. 

im just so fargin pissed because this team has talent, but they lost focus or something. im glad for the bye week right now. it gives everyone along time to think about it and get their shtein together. we'll see nov. 12th if anything has changed.  :-\
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on October 30, 2006, 11:25:14 AM
i thought it had talent as well...i still may think that...but isnt it possible that the players just arent that good
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Rome on October 30, 2006, 11:28:31 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 30, 2006, 10:41:38 AM
Andy's "Script O' 15 Plays" worked like this yesterday:

3-and-out
3-and-out
3-and-out
3-and-out
3rd-and-1 converted by Westbrook

I read something somewhere about him chucking the script after the first series.

Can't remember where...   :paranoid
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on October 30, 2006, 12:36:11 PM
I just moved so this is the first time I have computer access, not much else to add except:

1.The win over Dallas was our Super Bowl

2. If I had to chose a new coach the #1 name on my list would be Ron Rivera.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 30, 2006, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2006, 12:36:11 PM
If I had to chose a new coach the #1 name on my list would be Ron Rivera.

Good point.  He was LB coach here before going to Chicago to be Lovie Smith's D-Coordinator, right?

Philly ties + excellent coach getting excellent results = WIN
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Zanshin on October 30, 2006, 01:22:37 PM
Of course, you all know Andy isn't going anywhere after this season, right?  I mean, you all know you're talking for the sake of talking.  I just want to make sure you're in touch with reality to some small extent.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Butchers Bill on October 30, 2006, 01:35:34 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on October 30, 2006, 01:22:37 PM
Of course, you all know Andy isn't going anywhere after this season, right?  I mean, you all know you're talking for the sake of talking.  I just want to make sure you're in touch with reality to some small extent.

The only way it happens this season is if they go 4-12, and even that is not a gimme.  If the Eagles go 5-11 or 6-10 it SHOULD happen because the team will not recover, and it would be time to start fresh.  The NFL doesn't work that way though.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on November 03, 2006, 03:01:06 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 30, 2006, 01:06:30 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2006, 12:36:11 PM
If I had to chose a new coach the #1 name on my list would be Ron Rivera.

Good point.  He was LB coach here before going to Chicago to be Lovie Smith's D-Coordinator, right?

Philly ties + excellent coach getting excellent results = WIN

Rivera is going to be an excellent coach in this league, a fresh defensive minded coach would be a welcome addition to this team. I doubt, however, that Lurie would want to start over with a new philosophy even though in todays NFL teams with rookie HC's are just as successful. So another option to consider assuming he's gone by the end of the year which I think is a safe assumption, is Jon Gruden. Times yours.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on November 03, 2006, 03:31:05 PM
id LOVE gruden or rivera
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 03, 2006, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 03, 2006, 03:31:05 PM
id LOVE gruden or rivera long time for fie dolla
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on November 03, 2006, 03:48:12 PM
Gruden should have been made head coach back when he was here before and would be more than welcome to come back.  If that happens I'm also going to root for Reid to take over in either Dallas or Washington since Gruden owns his ass. 
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: MadMarchHare on November 03, 2006, 07:09:48 PM
Other than run the team Dungy built into the ground, what exactly has Gruden done?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Feva on November 03, 2006, 07:16:43 PM
(http://www.theredzone.org/images/sbrings/sb37.jpg)
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: MadMarchHare on November 03, 2006, 07:23:26 PM
Yea, he took Dungy's team and got them to beat the stupid farg Reid at the closing of Vet's stadium.
Rah rah.  My high school team could've beaten that Raiders squad.  Which makes losing that NFCCG even worse.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 03, 2006, 09:22:55 PM
Rivera is a good coach. If Andy were to go, bringing him back would be the way to go.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: SunMo on November 03, 2006, 10:04:13 PM
Jeff Fisher
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on November 03, 2006, 10:13:36 PM
Yea, he took Dungy's team and got them to beat the stupid farg Reid at the closing of Vet's stadium

and now he can take the team that stupid farg reid built and win a superbowl
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 03, 2006, 10:33:35 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 03, 2006, 10:04:13 PM
Jeff Fisher

#1 choice.

Should've been the coach after Buddy was fired.

Thanks, That Guy in France, for hiring Richie The K.

Fisher has an option for 2007. If TEN picks it up he won't be a coaching FA until 2008. So maybe if Reid stumbles in 2007 we have a shot at Fisher in '08.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Wingspan on November 04, 2006, 08:34:46 AM
why does everyone like Jeff Fisher so much? is it the mustache? or is it the whole 4 playoff appearances in 11 full seasons as coach?
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 04, 2006, 09:13:51 AM
The moustache.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: ice grillin you on November 04, 2006, 09:43:15 AM
why does everyone like Jeff Fisher so much? is it the mustache? or is it the whole 4 playoff appearances in 11 full seasons as coach?

its the fact that he knows how to in game coach...that he used to give the ball to eddie george 50 times a game...he can manage a clock...he gets the most out of his players.....

ill say it again...coaches need to be judged by how they...and i know this is crazy....coach.....while it def should be factored in wins losses and playoff appearances dont always tell the whole story
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Sgt PSN on November 04, 2006, 08:50:48 PM
I like Fisher but given the current roster on this team, I don't think his game plan will best suit the players.  I think it would take an overhaul for him to come in here and build a contending team, which would waste probably about 3 good years of McNabb's prime. 

My preference would be Chuckie because there would just be minor adjustments to the team rather than a complete rebuild. 
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Tomahawk on November 06, 2006, 11:46:36 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 04, 2006, 08:34:46 AM
why does everyone like Jeff Fisher so much? is it the mustache? or is it the whole 4 playoff appearances in 11 full seasons as coach?

The Titans' front office is to blame more for the lack of success than the coach. They've realized the salary cap hell that the taterskins have inexplicably avoided.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Wingspan on November 06, 2006, 12:12:42 PM
fisher has as much power as anyone there...he's Exec Vice president and Head Coach.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2006, 12:14:01 PM
Not really...

Bud Adams and Floyd Reese are thick as thieves...they call the shots. Pacman Jones and Vince Young are all them.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: rjs246 on November 06, 2006, 12:16:10 PM
Get Eddie George.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the se
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 06, 2006, 12:31:48 PM
Eddie George as the next head coach might actually not be an awful idea.

Downside:  He went to OSU and is probably borderline-retarded.
Upside:  He's from Philly, and all he'd know to do is establish a power running game.
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: phillywin2k5 on November 07, 2006, 06:13:50 PM
real problem is who do you bring in here. That arrogant prick at ND wont be coming here who else is really available to come in and get this team to the SB again while McNabb still has some left in the tank?/
Title: Re: 7:38 and 2:42. Two of the reasons Andy should be fired at the end of the season
Post by: Yeti on November 08, 2006, 09:11:50 AM
I'm not going to read this thread.