the thing to do now is start a real ground swell to get andy reid fired...they cant waste another year of mcnabb at this age...they need to find a coach in the mold of a gruden...it amazing what can happen when you have an actually game plan like he did today...run the ball 1000 times...short quick passes to eat up the clock and let your defense keep you in it
meanwhile andy has no game plan...he takes the game play by play...whatever is next on his card gets run regardless of down distance or time...andy can draw up individual plays but has no idea how to implement them within a game...why is he throwing a deep out after one has already been taken to the house...and its greg lewis vs ronde barber one on one....yeah mcnabb cant throw it but if you dont want a qb throwing a bad route then dont have that route in the play...i mean greg lewis against ronde barber on a 12 yard out???...are you joking
ive said before and ill say it again...i want donovan in a pro set offense with a cadillac williams type runner behind him in an eye formartion with a fullback...mcnabb cannot carry a team by himself so why put him in a west coast throw 60 times a game offense...hes not that kind of qb...
this will not happen as long as andy reid is coach of this team...its the same ole same ole and it has to stop before they are in full rebuilding mode with jimmy clausen in 2010
haha, Gruden didn't do anything for this victory. His offense sucked and Ronde Barber and McNabb bailed him out. Andy Reid completely outcoached Gruden today, his players didn't execute.
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
He isn't to blame on this game anyway.
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
Yes he would, you farging idiot. I'd be willing to bet if he loses out this year he'd be fired.
:-D
You moron. This owner doesn't have the balls to fire Reid. The only way Reid leaves this team is if he resigns.
so wait it wasnt mcnabb and his fragile mindset? i thought ud be all over him with his brain farts today.
lol i find the notion of firing reid hilarious....he didnt lose this game today. hell he didnt lose last week. he might make some bad calls but even those 3rd and 1s sometimes where he calls the pass...the WRs drop the pass. we just have players who just dont sense the urgency. i love reggie brown but he has 1 or 2 really bad drops per week. thats not on reid. everyone from westbrook, buck, and moats has been fumbling this season. the defense is so week to week...one week we are sack kings pressuring like no tomorrow and the next they get no pressure on a rookie QB.
our offense is not the problem whatsoever at all...so i dont know why in the world reid...who basically controls the offense should be called to be fired. our Defense is the problem.
You're an idiot if you think any coach that goes 0-16 for the first time in nfl history wouldn't get fired.
His offense sucked
thats not the point...anyway his offense didnt suck his qb did...and he knew that going in so he devised a game plan that would allow his team to win...that would be to run the farg out of the ball and have peplinski make a play only when he needed too...this is the kind of gameplan that andy reid is incapable of coming up with and why he needs to go
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:47:58 PM
:-D
You moron. This owner doesn't have the balls to fire Reid. The only way Reid leaves this team is if he resigns.
If Reid turned a good 4-1 team into an abysmal. 4-12 team after coming off the worst season of his coaching career, he'd be fired. Especially since he's be scrutinized even when he was winning.
Even though it had nothing to do with my first post, you think losing 27 games in a row wouldnt get Reid fired? I dont give a shtein if youre exaggerating.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 05:49:37 PM
His offense sucked
thats not the point...anyway his offense didnt suck his qb did...and he knew that going in so he devised a game plan that would allow his team to win...that would be to run the farg out of the ball and have peplinski make a play only when he needed too...this is the kind of gameplan that andy reid is incapable of coming up with and why he needs to go
:-D You're a f'n moron. He devised a gameplan for his offense to have under 200 total yards, his defense to score 2 TD's, and his kicker to kick a 62 yard field goal as time runs out? Sure.
Lurie will not fire Reid. Not gonna happen, groundswell or not.
While I am with you on Reid being fired, he is not the reason they lost this game. For whatever reason this team has forgot how to win, these were the games that they used to pull out at the end. The defense in the past years would not have allowed a QB to get after he stumbled.
I also agree with you on the point on Donovan, he would be an unreal QB if they ran the way a normal NFL team does. Even today other than not executing the running game really opened things up.
This all being said unless the Eagles lose out, Reid goes no where.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 05:49:37 PM
His offense sucked
thats not the point...anyway his offense didnt suck his qb did...and he knew that going in so he devised a game plan that would allow his team to win...that would be to run the farg out of the ball and have peplinski make a play only when he needed too...this is the kind of gameplan that andy reid is incapable of coming up with and why he needs to go
didnt they run today? seriously the problem this whole season has been the D. even in games we have looked good they have come close to losing us a lead. our offense is ranked #1 pretty much in all categories...so how in the world is reid at fault? mcnabb throws 2 INTS today after throwing 2 all season..this game was the fault of mcnabb and just turning the ball over so much.
gruden had no plan of his own....thier offense did absolutely nothing and we gifted them 14 pts.
calling for reid to be fired has got to be dumbest thing i hear eagles fans say. we all know it hurts but calling for reid? i ROFL to that.
Even if the Eagles lose out AND go 8-8 next year Reid will not be fired. He's going nowhere.
It is simply over-analyzing. The reason we lost today is not complicated. McNabb threw 3 INTs for 14 points and we had 4 total turnovers.
You don't even have to look at missed opportunity at the end of the first half of McDougle's stupid moronic penalties.
That is it right there. 2 INTs for TDs, 4 team turnovers. Nothing else needs to be said. McNabb battled the team back and that is great, but he did not play an overall good game. As usual the story of this season is a tale of two halves. Whether it is the defense, the offense, McNabb, the receivers, whatever. We can't play 2 halves of football.
He devised a gameplan for his offense to have under 200 total yards
he devised a gameplan to win the game and he did it
has andy reid ever had a gameplan...has he ever come out in a game and did something completely different from the week before because of the opponent or because of a limitation on his own team...the answer is NO...he comes out looks into his card and calls the same pass plays time after time after time no matter what is actually happening on the field...hes a mindless robot...hes john nash...except football isnt written in stone formulas...its a fluid process that requires changing on the fly...reid cant do this...its not in him...
Giving Gruden credit for today is crazy.
Ronder Barber = devised his own gameplan and executed it.
Gruden did nothing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 05:55:21 PM
He devised a gameplan for his offense to have under 200 total yards
he devised a gameplan to win the game and he did it
has andy reid ever had a gameplan...has he ever come out in a game and did something completely different from the week before because of the opponent or because of a limitation on his own team...the answer is NO...he comes out looks into his card and calls the same pass plays time after time after time no matter what is actually happening on the field...hes a mindless robot...hes john nash...except football isnt written in stone formulas...its a fluid process that requires changing on the fly...reid cant do this...its not in him...
and he still wins. in fact he took us to the superbowl. this is really getting old...we are 4-3 and could turn it around, and its not unheard of if u go back to the 03 team, and make it into the playoffs. we have frikin baskett starting and our offense is still producing....how is this his fault?
While I am with you on Reid being fired, he is not the reason they lost this game
theres a bigger picture here than todays game...i dont give a shtein about todays game..as far as im concered this is just another in a long line of hideous losses...tell me how under one coach you can have dallas last year....giants in sept of this year and tampa today...three hideous losses like that all within one calender year...most franchises have one of those a decade...a change is in order and it has been for a while
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
Do you even believe half of the shtein you post here? Please, go put on a white hood and walk through Harlem.
I agree that Reid is not going anywhere, and again I am just venting(I actually think he is a good coach), something has to change. I also agree McNabb did not play his best game today, but to blame him for the loss is ridiculous, he did everything he could at the end of the game he could for them to win. It really seems like we need to reexamine the defense. No sacks on a rookie QB and a makeshift OL, WHAT?
Andy Reid is incapable of adapting to the flow of the game, if you can't see that you're a moron. if the game is going how he anticipated during the week, he is ok because he can work off of his prep. but make him change on the fly? incapable.
Giving Gruden credit for today is crazy
gruden knew what his defense could do against mcnabb...they own him and they did it...in turn he had a perfect offensive gameplan...run it into the gut of the eagles until they couldnt move anymore and mass protect his young qb...it was a perfect gameplan and it worked to a T
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 05:59:44 PM
While I am with you on Reid being fired, he is not the reason they lost this game
theres a bigger picture here than todays game...i dont give a shtein about todays game..as far as im concered this is just another in a long line of hideous losses...tell me how under one coach you can have dallas last year....giants in sept of this year and tampa today...three hideous losses like that all within one calender year...most franchises have one of those a decade...a change is in order and it has been for a while
so then if reid didnt lose this game whats the pt on ur thread? we all know even if the eagles win a superbowl u will call for his head to be fired...so it doesnt matter. ur thread is useless and pointless since reid didnt lose todays game. im still shocked ur not talking about fragile of a head mcnabb has and how he lost us the game.
and last yrs dallas games? how about any of last yrs games? seriously ur going to bring up last yr? does last yr even count considering all that was going on on this team?
No sacks on a rookie QB and a makeshift OL, WHAT?
how are you gonna sack a qb when your defense is uber concerned with the run game...they are taking three step dropsd and mass protecting...gruden would not allow peplinski to get touched today and it worked beautifully...i counted three different times today where he ran on 3rd and 5 or longer...twice getting first downs...brilliant calls....theres a reason this guy has won a superbowl
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 22, 2006, 06:00:18 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
Do you even believe half of the shtein you post here? Please, go put on a white hood and walk through Harlem.
Funny how 2 or 3 other people agreed with me yet you only have the balls to say it to me. Keep piling on though, I love it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:02:18 PM
Giving Gruden credit for today is crazy
gruden knew what his defense could do against mcnabb...they own him and they did it...in turn he had a perfect offensive gameplan...run it into the gut of the eagles until they couldnt move anymore and mass protect his young qb...it was a perfect gameplan and it worked to a T
There's no way a coach can gameplan to score 2 defensive touchdowns. None of that other shtein won them the game. Ronde Barber did.
i actually wonder how much a lot of you actually know about football. igy's right, andy is a horrible playcaller. he has absolutely no clue when it comes to time management, and for the most part he calls the totally opposite kind of play than 95% of the other NFL coaches would make.
as a coach, he has lost us more games than he has won us. we have some sick athletes on our team, which is why we've been so good.
@ feva
he of course didnt know that two picks would be returned for td's...but he knew that they would most likely pick mcnabb multiple times...and because of that he just needed to keep his team close and in a position to win it at the end...and thats what happened...the fact that the int's he knew they would get got returned for td's was a bonus
Quote from: phattymatty on October 22, 2006, 06:12:52 PM
i actually wonder how much a lot of you actually know about football. igy's right, andy is a horrible playcaller. he has absolutely no clue when it comes to time management, and for the most part he calls the totally opposite kind of play than 95% of the other NFL coaches would make.
as a coach, he has lost us more games than he has won us. we have some sick athletes on our team, which is why we've been so good.
^-^
I agree with you, but today Reid was not the problem.
I am pretty sure that when Andy is gone he will get replaced with a coach much worse than him.
Things just work out like that for us.
time to vent. I just got home from the sports bar. unfortunately I was drinking way to much coffee this morning so I am ready to go agro. Unbelievable. Still in shock. I do have to admit that 33 seconds scared the shtein out of me. ST lets kickoff return go to almost the 40. That was a killer. DMAc blew it, plain and simple. I am trying to find the positives in all these losses but hey birds are 4-3. End of subject. We need next week. We need it bad.
IGY, the stupid that falls out of your mouth at times is rediculous.
You have to be trolling. I can't fathom that you can be this retarded and mean it.
At least we get the Jags next week who like they're ready to roll over and die. They just lost by 20 points to the f'n texans.
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 22, 2006, 06:00:18 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
Do you even believe half of the shtein you post here? Please, go put on a white hood and walk through Harlem.
Funny how 2 or 3 other people agreed with me yet you only have the balls to say it to me. Keep piling on though, I love it.
WTF are you talking about? Who agrees with you?
Quote from: Dillen37 on October 22, 2006, 05:46:53 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
Yes he would, you farging idiot. I'd be willing to bet if he loses out this year he'd be fired.
Nope. It's not Dillen.
Quote from: DonovanTheMessiah on October 22, 2006, 05:49:27 PM
You're an idiot if you think any coach that goes 0-16 for the first time in nfl history wouldn't get fired.
Not DTM either.
Quote from: Dillen37 on October 22, 2006, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:47:58 PM
:-D
You moron. This owner doesn't have the balls to fire Reid. The only way Reid leaves this team is if he resigns.
If Reid turned a good 4-1 team into an abysmal. 4-12 team after coming off the worst season of his coaching career, he'd be fired. Especially since he's be scrutinized even when he was winning.
Even though it had nothing to do with my first post, you think losing 27 games in a row wouldnt get Reid fired? I dont give a shtein if youre exaggerating.
Still not Dillen.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2006, 05:54:05 PM
Even if the Eagles lose out AND go 8-8 next year Reid will not be fired. He's going nowhere.
Phreak is about the only one who comes close to agreeing with you. But even he didn't go with Reid keeping his job at 0-16.
Seriously, you should kill yourself.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:14:34 PM
@ feva
he of course didnt know that two picks would be returned for td's...but he knew that they would most likely pick mcnabb multiple times...and because of that he just needed to keep his team close and in a position to win it at the end...and thats what happened...the fact that the int's he knew they would get got returned for td's was a bonus
That's just it... without those TD's... it's not close. The offense put up 6 points today.
I am pretty sure that when Andy is gone he will get replaced with a coach much worse than him.
Things just work out like that for us.
maybe...but cant the birds try...mcnabb is a very talented sometimes brain dead qb that needs new direction...maybe he is the ultimate problem...but im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that under new direction and with a competant coach and a real gameplan behind him perhaps he could win a superbowl...but time is running out to find this out...farg this andy and donovan joined at the hip shtein....let someone else work with donovan before its to late
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 22, 2006, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:14:34 PM
@ feva
he of course didnt know that two picks would be returned for td's...but he knew that they would most likely pick mcnabb multiple times...and because of that he just needed to keep his team close and in a position to win it at the end...and thats what happened...the fact that the int's he knew they would get got returned for td's was a bonus
That's just it though... without those TD's... it's not close. The offense put up 6 points today.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:22:25 PM
I am pretty sure that when Andy is gone he will get replaced with a coach much worse than him.
Things just work out like that for us.
maybe...but cant the birds try...mcnabb is a very talented sometimes brain dead qb that needs new direction...maybe he is the ultimate problem...but im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that under new direction and with a competant coach and a real gameplan behind him perhaps he could win a superbowl...but time is running out to find this out...farg this andy and donovan joined at the hip shtein....let someone else work with donovan before its to late
His time is far from running out, he will be playing for at least 6 more years at a high level.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 22, 2006, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 22, 2006, 06:00:18 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
Do you even believe half of the shtein you post here? Please, go put on a white hood and walk through Harlem.
Funny how 2 or 3 other people agreed with me yet you only have the balls to say it to me. Keep piling on though, I love it.
WTF are you talking about? Who agrees with you?
Quote from: Dillen37 on October 22, 2006, 05:46:53 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:46:12 PM
If the Eagles lose for the rest of this season and then go 0-16 next season Andy Reid wouldn't be fired.
Yes he would, you farging idiot. I'd be willing to bet if he loses out this year he'd be fired.
Nope. It's not Dillen.
Quote from: DonovanTheMessiah on October 22, 2006, 05:49:27 PM
You're an idiot if you think any coach that goes 0-16 for the first time in nfl history wouldn't get fired.
Not DTM either.
Quote from: Dillen37 on October 22, 2006, 05:51:21 PM
Quote from: King Cole on October 22, 2006, 05:47:58 PM
:-D
You moron. This owner doesn't have the balls to fire Reid. The only way Reid leaves this team is if he resigns.
If Reid turned a good 4-1 team into an abysmal. 4-12 team after coming off the worst season of his coaching career, he'd be fired. Especially since he's be scrutinized even when he was winning.
Even though it had nothing to do with my first post, you think losing 27 games in a row wouldnt get Reid fired? I dont give a shtein if youre exaggerating.
Still not Dillen.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 22, 2006, 05:54:05 PM
Even if the Eagles lose out AND go 8-8 next year Reid will not be fired. He's going nowhere.
Phreak is about the only one who comes close to agreeing with you. But even he didn't go with Reid keeping his job at 0-16.
Seriously, you should kill yourself.
You suck at understanding exaggerations.
You suck at life!
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:02:18 PM
Giving Gruden credit for today is crazy
gruden knew what his defense could do against mcnabb...they own him and they did it...in turn he had a perfect offensive gameplan...run it into the gut of the eagles until they couldnt move anymore and mass protect his young qb...it was a perfect gameplan and it worked to a T
This is probably the most ridiculous thing you've ever wrote, and that's saying a whole lot.
Life is all about balance, Bunkley/Cole whatever the farg he calls himself is the Ying and you're the Yang.
sb > no sb
gruden urinates all over reid
In that case, Brian Billick is better than Andy Reid, Lovie Smith, John Fox, Tony Dungy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:50:01 PM
sb > no sb
gruden urinates all over reid
Eagles 506 yards
Bucs 196 yards
How again is that the coaches fault? The players, starting with Donovan, and ending with McDougle, lost this game today, not the coaches.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on October 22, 2006, 06:16:12 PM
I am pretty sure that when Andy is gone he will get replaced with a coach much worse than him.
If we get Marty (as in Mornhinweg) ball here, I am telling you right now I'm taking some you you fargers out with me.
:fire
billick no
lovie to early to tell but he probably is better from what ive seen so far
fox is absolutely better
dungy = better
but youre comparing reid to all these people as tho andy is some sort of standard bearer...reid is not a very good coach...to even use him as a comparison point is silly
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:54:58 PM
billick no
lovie to early to tell but he probably is better from what ive seen so far
fox is absolutely better
dungy = better
but youre comparing reid to all these people as tho andy is some sort of standard bearer...reid is not a very good coach...to even use him as a comparison point is silly
He has a better record than all of those coaches and with the exception of Billick - who we can all agree is a moron - has a better playoff record.
How again is that the coaches fault? The players, starting with Donovan, and ending with McDougle, lost this game today, not the coaches.
again its not about today...look at the bigger picture....or dont....and stick with your boy reid forever and continue down this same road
reids time is over...he had a nice run in spite of himself...its time to go...but if youd like to keep the status quo until mcnabb retires by all means enjoy....
No way is Dungy is better than Reid, after seeing those coaches I reconsider my comments on AR.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
How again is that the coaches fault? The players, starting with Donovan, and ending with McDougle, lost this game today, not the coaches.
again its not about today...look at the bigger picture....or dont....and stick with your boy reid forever and continue down this same road
reids time is over...he had a nice run in spite of himself...its time to go...but if youd like to keep the status quo until mcnabb retires by all means enjoy....
Who do you want to replace him? I look at the big picture and see a guy who won more playoff games than any other coach in our history, brought us to our 2nd SB and almost won it, and has built a team that is capable of being successful year after year. Today was not his fault - last week? sure - but not today. You're taking your frustrations out on the wrong guy. If anything you should be bashing McNabb, I'm always one to stick up for him but today he flatout lost this game for us.
get June Jones! hey, he beat New Mexico St. last night in the hostile enviornment of Las Cruces.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 22, 2006, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
How again is that the coaches fault? The players, starting with Donovan, and ending with McDougle, lost this game today, not the coaches.
again its not about today...look at the bigger picture....or dont....and stick with your boy reid forever and continue down this same road
reids time is over...he had a nice run in spite of himself...its time to go...but if youd like to keep the status quo until mcnabb retires by all means enjoy....
Who do you want to replace him? I look at the big picture and see a guy who won more playoff games than any other coach in our history, brought us to our 2nd SB and almost won it, and has built a team that is capable of being successful year after year. Today was not his fault - last week? sure - but not today. You're taking your frustrations out on the wrong guy. If anything you should be bashing McNabb, I'm always one to stick up for him but today he flatout lost this game for us.
How did McNabb lose the game? He sucked for a good bit of the game granted, but he also brought them back from a 17 point deficit. As much as Reid pisses me off he really doesn't deserve to be fired at this point. This game was a team loss.
as you know im not a huge mcnabb fan...but im not sure what his problem is and my guess is that hes in the wrong system...playing for a coach who cant call games and cant put him in positions that are most conducive to him winning a championship...on the other hand i KNOW reid is a disgrace as a game coach and needs to be changed
as for reids replacement im not sure right now...lets see what happens in the offseason and get who they believe is the best man for the job
How did McNabb lose the game?
for real?
He threw 3 picks and two of them were returned for TDs by the Bucs. Don't know if you noticed, but our D was shutting the Bucs O down. If either of them picks aren't returned for TDs we win this game. He gets the credit when they win - and most of the time rightfully so - and he'll get the credit for when they lose. This wasn't a team loss, from my perspective the Offense (aside from McNabb) and the Defense played a pretty good game.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 22, 2006, 07:07:08 PM
How did McNabb lose the game? He sucked for a good bit of the game granted, but he also brought them back from a 17 point deficit. As much as Reid pisses me off he really doesn't deserve to be fired at this point. This game was a team loss.
I dunno... the 14 points he gave the Bucs may have had something to do with it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 22, 2006, 07:09:44 PM
He threw 3 picks and two of them were returned for TDs by the Bucs. Don't know if you noticed, but our D was shutting the Bucs O down. If either of them picks aren't returned for TDs we win this game. He gets the credit when they win - and most of the time rightfully so - and he'll get the credit for when they lose. This wasn't a team loss, from my perspective the Offense (aside from McNabb) and the Defense played a pretty good game.
:yay :yay :yay :yay
the only defense of mcnabb i have is that tampa clearly knew what the eagles were going to do on both int's....they know reid better than he knows himself...donovan still made the throws tho and they were awful
I agree with what you are all saying, but he did put up 21 in basically the 4th quarter. He did everthing he could at the end to win. He was not good at all but to put the loss on his shoudlers is ridicullous.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 22, 2006, 07:15:12 PM
I agree with what you are all saying, but he did put up 21 in basically the 4th quarter. He did everthing he could at the end to win. He was not good at all but to put the loss on his shoudlers is ridicullous.
But he was pretty much responsible for the big hole the Eagles found themselves in to begin with. They were just horrible throws. He wasn't under heavy pressure, the WR's hadn't run bad routes... he just made zesty throws.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 22, 2006, 06:45:31 PM
You suck at life!
ha! Took off for a few to go eat but you stole the words right outta my mouth.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 22, 2006, 07:15:12 PM
I agree with what you are all saying, but he did put up 21 in basically the 4th quarter. He did everthing he could at the end to win. He was not good at all but to put the loss on his shoudlers is ridicullous.
He doesn't have to put all those points up if he doesn't throw 2 TDs to the opposign team. The Bucs had 196 yards of offense and 2 FGs, one a freak 62 yarder but nevertheless it counted. Thats 6 points. Our O-line played a good game, the RBs had holes. There were a few dropped passes but none that were killers. He lost this game, its on his shoulders. You don't expect a veteran QB who should KNOW the Bucs D to make idiotic throws like that.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 22, 2006, 07:18:59 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on October 22, 2006, 07:15:12 PM
I agree with what you are all saying, but he did put up 21 in basically the 4th quarter. He did everthing he could at the end to win. He was not good at all but to put the loss on his shoudlers is ridicullous.
He doesn't have to put all those points up if he doesn't throw 2 TDs to the opposign team. The Bucs had 196 yards of offense and 2 FGs, one a freak 62 yarder but nevertheless it counted. Thats 6 points. Our O-line played a good game, the RBs had holes. There were a few dropped passes but none that were killers. He lost this game, its on his shoulders. You don't expect a veteran QB who should KNOW the Bucs D to make idiotic throws like that.
True, but..
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 22, 2006, 06:22:10 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:14:34 PM
@ feva
he of course didnt know that two picks would be returned for td's...but he knew that they would most likely pick mcnabb multiple times...and because of that he just needed to keep his team close and in a position to win it at the end...and thats what happened...the fact that the int's he knew they would get got returned for td's was a bonus
That's just it... without those TD's... it's not close. The offense put up 6 points today.
The offense put up 3 points. The kicker bombed an improbably figgie for another 3 and their D put up 14. Their offense sucked except for one long drive.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 22, 2006, 06:59:54 PM
How again is that the coaches fault? The players, starting with Donovan, and ending with McDougle, lost this game today, not the coaches.
again its not about today...look at the bigger picture....or dont....and stick with your boy reid forever and continue down this same road
reids time is over...he had a nice run in spite of himself...its time to go...but if youd like to keep the status quo until mcnabb retires by all means enjoy....
again this makes no sense. if its not about today then what big picture are u looking at? the one where mcnabb throws INTs and the opposing team hits a 62 yd FG?
this thread is just an excuse to bash reid eventhough he had nothing to do with the loss this week and really even last week. reid didnt have anything really to do with last yr cept if u wanna fault him and the whole organization for bringing in TO.
and dungy better? doesnt he also fall into the same category as reid since he hasnt been able to take the colts further?
i get the feeling a lot of ppl are calling for change for the sake of change whereas the eagles really need to play smarter. even on defense where i am very critical they could play decent if they just stop commiting dumbass penalties.
I dunno, I don't think a 'well-executed' gameplan consists of two INT returns for TD's and relying on 3 FG's, one being a 62 yarder to win it.
"Listen up guys, our gameplan today is to suck really bad, hopefully get two INT returns for touchdowns, and maybe hit a 62 yard field goal at the end to win. Also, I want you to give up 500 yards of total offense, have Westbrook run all over you today, and do absolutely nothing on offense. Hopefully, that McDougle guy will get a sack, get a face mask call, and then kick the flag to put us in FG range, too."
It's pathetic to think that Gruden had a 'well executed game plan' -- any chode thinking that has a perverted outlook of what happened.
The Eagles blew chunks today. They weren't outplayed in the sense that the Bucaneers were the obviously superior team. 4 turnovers and finishing drives cost us. It sure wasn't Gruden devising schemes to put points on the board. Outside the two INT's what were the Bucs able to do to stop the Eagles? It was the Eagles own boneheaded mistakes that cost them the game. Other than the three picks and the fumble, the Eagles were able to move the ball at will. Westbook averaged almost 10 yards a carry.
It was just extremely poor execution when it mattered most. Granted, that is a problem in and of itself, but to attribute the loss to Gruden's 'superior gameplan' is absurd on its face.
Season over. Like I've been saying, next year is the year for a real run at it. Anyone surprised by this team hasn't been paying attention. I'm counting on spending the rest of the year rooting against the taterskins.
The season isn't over. There are nine more games left for us to watch.
That's super.
Quote from: Father Demon on October 22, 2006, 09:49:36 PM
The season isn't over. There are nine more games left to make us want to kill ourselves.
Quote from: Father Demon on October 22, 2006, 09:49:36 PM
The season isn't over. There are nine more games left for us to waltz into the playoffs
Quote from: Father Demon on October 22, 2006, 09:49:36 PM
The season isn't over. There are nine more games left for us to watch.
I don't think my heart or fingernails can take much more of this crap.
If you look at the games theyve lost, they are all close games where one lucky bounce could have determined the game. It sucks for this season but it doesnt mean they have to clean house in the offseason.
Actually... I'd prefer if all their losses for the rest of the season were blowouts. Much easier to take.
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 22, 2006, 10:37:22 PM
Actually... I'd prefer if all their losses for the rest of the season were blowouts. Much easier to take.
I'm disgusted to agree with you.
I said the same thing yesterday. Right after I McNabb, that sweet hunk of man meat,d......
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 22, 2006, 10:37:22 PM
Actually... I'd prefer if all their losses for the rest of the season were blowouts. Much easier to take.
Right. They should be no worse than 6-1, but they're not. And ugly wins early in the season can lead to the playoffs, where anything could happen. But this team has already farged themselves out of no less than 2 wins, and they won't and don't deserve to make the playoffs at all.
below is bob ford from todays inky...saying a lot of what i have been saying in this and other threads...tho not nearly as well....
But McNabb has been so good this season, perhaps he deserves a pass on this one. The guy is throwing up on the field - what is it with McNabb and playing in Florida? - and still brings the team back to take an improbable lead with 33 seconds to play.
That's a win right there. Not a well-deserved win, but a win. It remained a win right up until the moment Matt Bryant kicked the third-longest field goal in the 86-year history of the league.
"That's pretty unbelievable," receiver Reggie Brown said. "I think we've lost in the last minute every possible way there is. Hopefully, we're over that phase."
To get over it, Andy Reid has to start doing a better job, and not just say, "I've got to do a better job."
He was outcoached by Sean Payton in New Orleans, and he couldn't think of a thing to bring Jon Gruden out of his shell yesterday. To protect Gradkowski, Gruden ran a bland, no-risk offense and hoped for the best.
"That's what he does," cornerback Sheldon Brown said. "He's not going to make mistakes, and he's going to force you to beat him."
"He didn't put his quarterback in any situations where he could lose it for them," cornerback Lito Sheppard said.
The Eagles can't say the same thing, and that's what is completely backward about this picture. The lesser team should be the one that has to take risks, and is punished for them. The better team is the one that can afford to play conservatively and win the game of attrition.
With the better team on the field - the Eagles outgained Tampa Bay in net yardage, 506 to 196 - there was no reason to throw weak passes in the vicinity of Ronde Barber. It isn't as if Hank Baskett or Greg Lewis is capable of winning those fights. And there is no reason to present McNabb with a clock-management dilemma of the sort he has always handled badly.
It really comes down to knowing your team and being willing to accept a win that is short on style points. Gruden was happy to do that yesterday. Reid wasn't. He wanted the whole Fly Eagles Fly routine, even though the team is clearly incapable of that right now.
I would be all for firing Reid mid-season and promoting Heckert to GM with full personnel control... but I don't think there's anyone currently on the coaching staff that I'd rather have as head coach. As much as I question some of Reid's coaching moves, I doubt he'd take the wind in overtime.
cant do it midseason
but this offseason they need to move in a new direction in terms of how the team is run from the head coaching position...even if you like andy you have to see that its time for a systematic change
I think IGY should coach the Eagles.
It's at least time for a new WR coach, DC, and maybe even special teams coach.
JJ needs to get more inventive with his schemes as well.
Ice do you ever have anything good to say about the Eagles. I have been on this board a short time and haven't seen one positive note from you about the Eagles. Fans like you the Eagles don't need.
have you seen anything real positive from them to speak about...sorry if 4-3 right now doesnt cause my bathing suit area to grow
as a whole tho my anger stems from four nfc championships + one superbowl = no championships...thats to me is disgraceful and i will never let andy reid and donovan live that down as long as im a fan...i backed them to the death gave them the benefit of the doubt after all those losses...even thought they would beat new england much less win all the title games (other than stl)
but the facts are a choking qb and a disgraceful game day head coach cost them and until one or both of them win a superbowl then the jig is up
Gold Standard ;)
The truth is that there isn't much positive that has happened this season. All of the pre-season hope, which I did not share, has given way to reality, which is that this is a very mediocre team. Some fans of some teams would be happy with mediocre. Any Eagles fan who's happy with mediocre should be lit on fire.
I do agree that there are plenty of things the Eagles need to improve on but the same thing can be said of any team in the NFL including the Chicago Bears who many say are the best team in the NFL this year. The Eagles are 3rd in ppg, 1st in total yards a game, 1st in total 1st downs, 10th in 3rd down efficiency, 1st in total Td's and 8th in scoring efficiency.
Last week Donavan McNabb very well could have lost the game for the Eagles with his two interceptions. But instead he was able to get his team in the lead for the 3rd time this year before the opponent's final game deciding drives. It's hard to put any blame on the Eagles offense when they hand the game over to the defense, only to have them blow it. They have blown it with stupid mistakes and stupid penalties. The blame for all of these years losses belong on the defense.
IMO clock management has come down to Brian Westbrook's health or should I say lack of being 100% healthy. The First two weeks the Eagles ran the ball 30 times and haven't come close to that again until last week when they ran the ball 21 times by design. As the coaching staff feels more at ease that Westbrook is going to stay healthy the more I feel they will run the ball.
Yes the blame does belong to the coaching staff also IMO for playing a prevent defense in each of the games losses. For Gods sake the Eagles played prevent from the middle of the 3rd quarter of the Giants loss. For this I blame the coaching staff. I really never could figure out why teams play a prevent defense, all it seems to do is prevent the teams playing it from coming away with a win.
To sit here and write that McNabb and Reid need to go is crazy. We saw what a team without McNabb would look like last year. Don't particularly want to see a season like that again in the near future.
I can understand your frustration over the 4 NFC Championships and one Super Bowl appearance with no rings. But take a look at it this way. We could be fans of teams like the Arizona Cardinals. It's hard not having a Super Bowl ring but I would take the 5 years of football (except last year) than be a team like the Tampa Bucs that have done nothing since their Super Bowl win, but get worse every year.
To sit here and write that McNabb and Reid need to go is crazy.
reid needs to go
there i said
oh and saying your team is better than the worst team in the history of football to make you feel better about things imo is pretty sad
Quote from: rjs246 on October 28, 2006, 11:34:08 AM
The truth is that there isn't much positive that has happened this season. All of the pre-season hope, which I did not share, has given way to reality, which is that this is a very mediocre team. Some fans of some teams would be happy with mediocre. Any Eagles fan who's happy with mediocre should be lit on fire.
You see, this is what infuriates me. If they were a mediocre team, and played that way, it would be a little easier to accept. The fact is that in spurts, they've been completely unstoppable, both on offense and defense. But they're so inconsistent, largely it appears from a lack of focus, that they've let things slip away. They are an explosive, SB quality team that is treading water, and that just pisses me off. Especially since the offense looks way better (even with Avant/Brown/Baskett/Stallworth occassionally) than I ever hoped.
I am also on the fire Andy Reid bandwagon. I don't mind him being the team's GM, but as a gameday coach he is farging miserable.
Also, all of this talk about how they are a superbowl quality team 'in spurts' is assinine. You are what your record says you are. The Eagles are a 4-3 team that has lost two games because their defense sucks and one game because their quarterback spent the first 30 minutes doing everything he could to hand the game to the other team. Good teams win games against bad teams. Good teams win games when they have 17 point leads. Good teams don't allow game-winning drives to end the game.
This is not a good team.
I disagee. The Eagles are a team with
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 28, 2006, 12:36:41 PM
an explosive, SB quality
offense that needs to put it together the second half of the season, get Stallworth healthy, and get to the playoffs. I still think they can get into the playoffs, and have a chance of winning this division. That wouldn't be a mediocre team.
Anyone who thinks this team is average or mediocre should be lit on fire, and then put out by urination. ;) jk
Im still hoping this team is like a Pittsburg that barely makes the playoffs then hits their stride.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 28, 2006, 12:42:43 PM
I am also on the fire Andy Reid bandwagon. I don't mind him being the team's GM, but as a gameday coach he is farging miserable.
Also, all of this talk about how they are a superbowl quality team 'in spurts' is assinine. You are what your record says you are. The Eagles are a 4-3 team that has lost two games because their defense sucks and one game because their quarterback spent the first 30 minutes doing everything he could to hand the game to the other team. Good teams win games against bad teams. Good teams win games when they have 17 point leads. Good teams don't allow game-winning drives to end the game.
This is not a good team.
Hard to argue with the end result being the only marker. However, as I said above, if all they were was mediocre, it would be easier to accept. The fact that they're either lazy or stupid, and that's the main thing holding them back, makes me want to axe murder my entire neighborhood.
You're mistaking talent and potential for quality. This team has both of those things, but it isn't a good 'team'. Them's the facts, jack.
Next year I'll be far more optimistic.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 28, 2006, 07:37:02 PM
You're mistaking talent and potential for quality. This team has both of those things, but it isn't a good 'team'. Them's the facts, jack.
Next year I'll be far more optimistic.
we all have a better chance of seeing Jesus waterskiing at the Jersey shore before this comment comes into fruition rj.
keep the faith bud
Quote from: rjs246 on October 28, 2006, 07:37:02 PM
You're mistaking talent and potential for quality. This team has both of those things, but it isn't a good 'team'. Them's the facts, jack.
Next year I'll be far more optimistic.
I know I haven't been posting much here lately and I know this has probably been addressed somewhere else but what the hell makes you so optimistic about next year?
I see more of the same bullshtein with this team and for the life of me, I can't see why next year would be any different than this year or last year. More of the same, actually, because the same players will be here (save for a few here and there) the fat man will still be coaching (stop laughing, IGY) and Donovan will still be the quarterback.
The defense will likely have a few new starters but everything else should be roughly the same.
What am I missing here, rjs??
Rome. I think the rest of the division will have bigger problems next year, once again pathing the way to an easy playoff schedule ('once again' refering to years past, of course).
No more Tiki. No more Parcells. taterskins being inept. Plus I can see the defense getting better next year with Howard, Patterson, Cole, McCoy, Considine and Bunkley being a year deeper. The same issues will prevail with Donovan and Reid, no doubt, but I can easily see a return to NFC East dominance next year.
I've said that since preseason. But no one wants to hear talk of the future or rebuilding when they have convinced themselves that last year was a fluke.
Quote from: reese125 on October 28, 2006, 08:03:39 PM
we all have a better chance of seeing Jesus waterskiing at the Jersey shore before this comment comes into fruition rj.
keep the faith bud
Reese, I know that you're an idiot and that you haven't been around for long, but for a few years I was a bigger homer than anyone here. (Well anyone other than Phreak and PG, that is.) But I have eyes, and I have seen this team's flaws for the past few years. While others have been blinded by Andy Reid's flaccid johnson, I have seen where this team was heading. I also see hope for the future.
So please, stay off the nuts.
So your optimism stems more from an anticipated downturn elsewhere instead of marked improvement on the Eagles?
Makes sense.
There won't be 'marked' improvement on the Eagles until:
a) Someone creates a mormon who is the greatest receiver ever.
and
b) Someone has the balls to fire Jim Johnson.
OR
Lurie sacks up and fires Reid and hires Brad Childress back.
(I wish I was kidding.)
Until a and b happen or Reid gets fired, this team will be what it is. Good enough to compete and maybe sneak a superbowl in, but never as good as it can be.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 28, 2006, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: reese125 on October 28, 2006, 08:03:39 PM
we all have a better chance of seeing Jesus waterskiing at the Jersey shore before this comment comes into fruition rj.
keep the faith bud
Reese, I know that you're an idiot and that you haven't been around for long, but for a few years I was a bigger homer than anyone here. (Well anyone other than Phreak and PG, that is.) But I have eyes, and I have seen this team's flaws for the past few years. While others have been blinded by Andy Reid's flaccid johnson, I have seen where this team was heading. I also see hope for the future.
So please, stay off the nuts.
Im just glad you have some hope in your life guy.
The fact you say they will be back to NFC East dominance next year is based on the fact that they are a better team than you realized (and consistently bitched about) before the season started along with the rest of us. Im also shaking my head here on how you can even throw in Parcells and Gibbs into the mix as a reason why the Eagles will be dominant as well.
Ill give you the added years with D-line, but keep rubbing those eyes and wake up chief, those two old timers make no difference as its pretty evident
The point, jackass, is that with coaching changes time is needed to adjust. As the taterskins (and just about every other team) have proven time and time again. I wish Childress would be brought in exactly to counter that. He could run basically the same offense, only do it far more effectively. (By the way, I said nothing about Gibbs, but good readin comprehension skills.)
I see this year as a recovery year from last year and this is a team with a lot of problems. Some of the problems have to do with youth and inexperience on the team. Those problems should be lessenes next year. The other problems are institutional. Reid. McNabb. Jim Johnson. Salary cap obsession. Etc. Thos won't be fixed, but right now, my outlook on next year is far more optimistic than it ever has been for this year.
By the way. I'm typing all of this in a fulle body Whinnie the Pooh suit that smells like beer and farts.
Halloween is the greatest holiday ever.
It's not halloween yet. You're a furry.
It's kind of remarkable that you would say that, GF, beause I also had a hardon while I was typing all of that. Full body bear suit + erection = furry = rjs.
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Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on October 28, 2006, 02:43:15 PM
Im still hoping this team is like a Pittsburg that barely makes the playoffs then hits their stride.
Hope is a good thing, but in this case it's a delusion.
nothing changes until reid goes....get him out while donovan still has years left