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Title: The Pass Rush
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2006, 04:44:46 AM
2004 QB Sacks = 47
2005 QB Sacks = 29
2006 QB sacks = 23 (so far)
NFL record for sacks in a season = 72 (1984 Bears)

Cowboys - 12 sacks
taterskins - 7 sacks
Giants - 5 sacks
Total - 24

The Eagles almost have as many sacks as the entire NFC East combined.

They are getting contributions from everyone. I said this after seeing Howard in training camp and I still believe it - I believe he could go down as one of the best FA signings in Eagles history. He's an excellent player. Not only the way he can get after the QB - but he does it from both DE spots and the DT position. And he plays the run very well. He's a complete defensive end.

Cole is developing into a stud. Walker is rebounding nicely from his off year last season. Juqua Thomas is showing that he's a fine role player. I love it.

And this is without Bunkley showing us anything yet. When he gets on track...man.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: shorebird on October 09, 2006, 04:58:35 AM
I hear ya'. I loved the way J.J. was bringing the ends around and up the middle of the line. It really threw Dallas out of their game plan. It looked like they wern't ready for that at all. Our D simply blew Dallas's offense the farg up. We saw yesterday what this D can do when they put it together for a whole game.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: stalker on October 09, 2006, 01:32:18 PM
Watching Howard I think he is responsible for alot of the sacks. He occupies at least two blockers every play and when at DT provides a huge push in the middle. He may be a quiet defensive MVP.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: The BIGSTUD on October 09, 2006, 03:25:28 PM
Bunkley had a very good game against GB, but I didn't see anything from him yesterday. He'll come around.

Cole's motor never stops. He keeps coming and coming. He is going to be a stud in this league for years.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: mpmcgraw on October 09, 2006, 05:26:17 PM
Yea, that one tackle he had against the Packers was a real game changer.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Don Ho on October 10, 2006, 05:24:30 AM
yeah, where the farg is Bunkley?  Every game my 10 year old son asks me how did Bunkley do?  "Not a whole lot son, not a whole lot. "

What's the status on Rayburn? 
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: TempleOwl on October 10, 2006, 07:19:16 AM
All 7 sacks against Dallas were by the D-line.  That says alot, although i heard JJ abandoned the two team rotation during the game and went with the first team more often
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: ice grillin you on October 10, 2006, 07:51:22 AM
i heard JJ abandoned the two team rotation during the game and went with the first team more often

i watched it again yesterday and jj did go more with the first four....have a feeling it was simply because howard and cole were so ridiculous....howard played the game of his life and because of that it over shadowed how good cole was...especially against the run...he mos def is much more than a pass rusher
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Philly_Crew on October 10, 2006, 08:07:05 AM
Quote from: Don Ho on October 10, 2006, 05:24:30 AM
yeah, where the farg is Bunkley?  Every game my 10 year old son asks me how did Bunkley do?  "Not a whole lot son, not a whole lot. "

What's the status on Rayburn? 

It looked like he wasn't even in uniform Sunday.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: SunMo on October 10, 2006, 09:12:48 AM
Rayburn was inactive.

Bunkley, lest you forget, is done for the year.  he missed the first two weeks of training camp.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on October 10, 2006, 10:04:43 AM
Usually when Rayburn is inactive, he still hangs around the sideline. I didn't notice him this past game, but I'm pretty sure he was around.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: rjs246 on October 10, 2006, 10:09:15 AM
Rayburn = useless.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on October 10, 2006, 10:12:26 AM
Rayburn= Tradebait
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: rjs246 on October 10, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
Who's going to bite at a guy who can't even get himself activated on game day? They'll get nothing for him.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on October 10, 2006, 10:58:21 AM
They traded James Thrash for a pick.  The End
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 10, 2006, 10:59:45 AM
I hear the Colts are looking for a DT. 
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: RezRob on October 10, 2006, 11:55:10 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 09, 2006, 04:44:46 AM
2006 QB sacks = 23 (so far)

Cowboys - 12 sacks
taterskins - 7 sacks
Giants - 5 sacks
Total - 24

The Eagles almost have as many sacks as the entire NFC East combined.

Uh duh not even close if you add Philly's sacks in there  ::)
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: rjs246 on October 10, 2006, 12:09:23 PM
James Thrash = starter on an NFC powerhouse.
Sam Rayburn = inactive on a team that just went 6-10.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Diomedes on October 10, 2006, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2006, 07:51:22 AM...how good cole was...especially against the run...he mos def is much more than a pass rusher

Cole is the real deal.  As long as he's healthy, he needs to be on the field 3 downs.  He'll need a break once in a while like anyone, but he's a bona fide starter.  As good as anyone else has been, this guy is putting the biggest smiles on my face so far this season. 
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: bobbyinlondon on October 10, 2006, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on October 10, 2006, 10:04:43 AM
Usually when Rayburn is inactive, he still hangs around the sideline. I didn't notice him this past game, but I'm pretty sure he was around.


There's a clip of the last 2 minutes of the game, and I'm pretty sure, after Lito's INT return, they pan the sideline and Rayburn is there.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: hbionic on October 10, 2006, 01:20:48 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on October 10, 2006, 12:30:23 PMAs good as anyone else has been, this guy is putting the biggest smiles on my face so far this season. 

Sounds like your girlfriend needs to think about opening her pooper up for business.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Feva on October 10, 2006, 01:21:47 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 10, 2006, 07:51:22 AM
i heard JJ abandoned the two team rotation during the game and went with the first team more often

i watched it again yesterday and jj did go more with the first four....have a feeling it was simply because howard and cole were so ridiculous....howard played the game of his life and because of that it over shadowed how good cole was...especially against the run...he mos def is much more than a pass rusher

Yup... Cole made plays in 2 of 3rd and short situations off the top of my head.  He had a monster game.  I have much confidence in Killa Cole.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 10, 2006, 01:24:46 PM
They are being set up to have another good week this week too. If they can stop Deuce & Reggie and force Brees to pass it the Saints interior OL is weak.

Their center is that 290lb weakling Jeff Faine (dudes got a huge head - I think that weighs 70lbs alone) and the OGs are not very good.

Jammal Brown is the LT - he's pretty good but still kind of raw.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: 4and26 on October 10, 2006, 02:00:58 PM
I know it's been said before but J.J. defiantly deserves a game ball for his schemes against Dallas.   

Brilliant
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Eaglez on October 10, 2006, 03:35:26 PM
Cole seamlessly stepped in for Kearse. Having Kearse in the line no doubt would have made this line more dominant with the year he was seemingly going to have, but with Cole getting more reps I don't think we'll see much of a drop off. Juqua Thomas has seen a resurgence this year and is great in the limited role he has been seeing. Juqua is our next Kalu however Juqua can hold his own against the run while ND was simply a pass rushing end.

I was worried when Kearse went down about the vitality of the line, but really, I don't think they lost a step. The unit is just simply solid straight across the line.

And Slammin' Sammy is done. He was beat out with a rookie and that rookie is seeing significant time in the rotation. I really like Ramsey and I think he's been a pleasant surprise along the line. Arguably he's playing much better than Bunkley.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 10, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
Quote from: Eaglez on October 10, 2006, 03:35:26 PM
Cole seamlessly stepped in for Kearse. Having Kearse in the line no doubt would have made this line more dominant with the year he was seemingly going to have, but with Cole getting more reps I don't think we'll see much of a drop off. Juqua Thomas has seen a resurgence this year and is great in the limited role he has been seeing. Juqua is our next Kalu however Juqua can hold his own against the run while ND was simply a pass rushing end.

I was worried when Kearse went down about the vitality of the line, but really, I don't think they lost a step. The unit is just simply solid straight across the line.

After seeing this d line for 5 games now I am absolutely convinced that Darren Howard is the main catalyst in their performance.  I'm also convinced that Howard was the main reason why Kearse got off to such a fast start this year before going down.  Offenses are going to have to game plan for him which is something that we haven't had on this d line in years......maybe Hugh in his prime but I'm thinking back to Reggie's days here.  And if teams start game planning their blocking schemes on Howard then that's going to open up things for the rest of the line even more. 
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: sallad selgae on October 12, 2006, 11:04:26 PM
Quote from: 4and26 on October 10, 2006, 02:00:58 PM
I know it's been said before but J.J. defiantly deserves a game ball for his schemes against Dallas.

Brilliant

I'm thinking the new D-Line coach also deserves a great deal of the credit.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: General_Failure on October 13, 2006, 12:38:51 AM
The new d-line deserves a lot of the credit. These aren't exactly no-name guys out there, except for McDougle.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: MURP on October 13, 2006, 11:27:32 AM
-  Cole has an amazing desire to go all out when he is on the field.  He is relentless when going after the QB.  Keeping him fresh does wonders.

- Darwin Walker is much improved over last year.  His play is a big reason why the line is better.  Id like to think that the drafting of Bunkley really lit a fire in him.   He is usually one of the faster guys on the Dline off the ball this year.   His swim move is also working well.

- Howard is ridiculously fast off the ball when lined up at DT.  He is easily one of the best FA pickups for any team in the offseason.

- Mike Patterson is improving.  He gets doubled a lot which frees up some of the other guys.

- Bunkley seems to either destroy somebody or get destroyed.   He is raw no doubt. 

- Juqua Thomas also has a non stop motor.  He doesnt have the athletic abilities of Cole (unless you see that pic of him jumping),  but he has the desire.  He impresses me. 
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Eaglez on October 13, 2006, 11:11:21 PM
You have to like the production of Ramsey so far as well. No bad for a 7th round choice.

Friggin' Kearse and his knees...

Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 14, 2006, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on October 13, 2006, 11:11:21 PM
You have to like the production of Ramsey so far as well. No bad for a 7th round choice.

Friggin' Kearse and his knees...



YEAH!!  Damn his knee for tearing apart when someone else ran into it. 
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: micc on October 14, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
Darren Howard has been one helluva pick-up...who knew? Never heard much of him from football purgatory (otherwise known as New Orleans) but he's making a lot of guys look better out there...

Cole...talk about stepping up...what a find, he'll be this years' Burgess, watch

Juqua has shown desire too...and Ramsey is making the coaches keep the truckdriver (Rayburn) on the sideline is warm-up gear...

Another thing we've done ok at: letting dudes go when their time is up (Burgess excepted)...Case in point: Simon, did this guy flame out or what...actually I think balloon up would the proper descriptor: check out this comparison//spamgasm
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Eaglez on October 15, 2006, 12:54:46 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 14, 2006, 02:40:49 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on October 13, 2006, 11:11:21 PM
You have to like the production of Ramsey so far as well. No bad for a 7th round choice.

Friggin' Kearse and his knees...



YEAH!!  Damn his knee for tearing apart when someone else ran into it. 

His knees have always been a problem, though. Everytime I've seen him go to the ground in the past I've cringed knowing that his knees are very susceptible to injury.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: mussa on October 15, 2006, 04:39:09 PM
So not one sack today? What happened?> Is Saints line THAT good?
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: General_Failure on October 15, 2006, 04:40:20 PM
No, but the gameplan was that good.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: SunMo on October 15, 2006, 04:40:33 PM
no, Sean Payton eats JJ for lunch, that's what happened
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: General_Failure on October 15, 2006, 04:41:37 PM
At least the little bastich is out of this division.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: mussa on October 15, 2006, 04:41:49 PM
Outcoached. Is that the verdict?
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: General_Failure on October 15, 2006, 04:43:12 PM
Outplayed, too. Basically, they were beaten well.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Drunkmasterflex on October 15, 2006, 04:45:02 PM
Quote from: mussa on October 15, 2006, 04:41:49 PM
Outcoached. Is that the verdict?

I think anybody could have outcoached them today.  How many times did they throw the swing pass and have sucess.  No adjustments were made whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: mussa on October 15, 2006, 04:46:12 PM
I wouldn't say we were beat well dude. 3 point difference.

We had alot of dropped ball :booms again today
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: General_Failure on October 15, 2006, 04:47:28 PM
Quote from: mussa on October 15, 2006, 04:46:12 PM
I wouldn't say we were beat well dude. 3 point difference.

We had alot of dropped ball :booms again today

The Saints did exactly what they wanted to at the end of the game. The end of the game being the long, long final drive.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: mussa on October 15, 2006, 04:50:10 PM
Then the penalty  :boom

We just couldn't stop them on 3rd down like we did the Cowturds
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Eaglez on October 15, 2006, 04:51:03 PM
The Saints were able to let the rush come and just throw little 7, 8, 9 yard gains on every down. 2nd and 2 or 3 are very managable, and that's what the Eagles D gave up all game.

The coverage was just atrocious.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 15, 2006, 05:19:16 PM
3 step drops = whay Payton does against the Eagles.

Did it in NY and DAL.

No shocker.

To have them run a drive like that to end the game was sickening. This defense better step it up.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: QB Eagles on October 15, 2006, 05:21:57 PM
That loss is on the defense, but not on the pass rush. Like Phreak said, Brees was getting rid of the ball too quickly in those 3-step drops to get pressure. The rest of the defense shtein the bed.
Title: Re: The Pass Rush
Post by: Eaglez on October 15, 2006, 05:33:25 PM
Yeah. You would think Andy and JJ knew that is what they were going to see. It was very methodical. I remember a big 3rd down conversion was a quick dump pass to Campbell of all people. The Saints always had a very makeable 3rd down conversion all game. The Eagles, it seems, were always in 3rd and long.

The Defense played horrible and it's fair to say that JJ was outmatched again by Payton.

Even when Brees went downfield, it seemed as though he had time. The Eagles didn't make the most out of those opportunities.

Damn. This game really was quite the crappy loss. Here's hoping they finish strong going into the bye, because the schedule looks pretty crappy afterwards.