Once again this game shows us that McNabb is not a big game QB and Andy Reid is useless when it comes to thinking on the fly. Yes, we all know McNabb can be great, but he's lost us big games in just about every way conceivable. He's lost it being tired, confused, and now being cocky. Taunting the Giant's defensive line and then getting a false start penalty was a fantastic idea with only having a 10 point cushion. Side note...Or Defensive backs are toooooo small and way overated. If we didn't get the pressure we did today and if eli was more accurate they would've gotten burned a lot more even if Shepard was in there.
I realize that over the years we have won more than many franchises such as the Cardinals, Browns, Bengals, etc., but the plain and simple fact is that this city is more cursed than boston and chicago combined. We have good sports teams with great fans, but every damn year our teams find a way to let us down. Especially this Eagles team. They're good enough to break our hearts every year since there has been an NFL. I'd almost rather have a team like the lions or cardinals who you know will suck instead of a team that has the ability to win it all, but never does or will.
Losses like this are a tough reality check that this team is not nearly as good as our 2004 ALMOST superbowl winning team! We'll probably beat the weak teams and squeak out one or two wins against quality opponents which will lead to perhaps an 8-8 year.
McNabb played a pretty good game today, dippy.
Even after his false start, it was far from the drive killer. That would have been the Westbrook fumble.
McNabb almost always has "pretty good games" pretty good games don't cut it anymore
What the hell did the offense do in OT dippy?
I thought a lot about this tonight.
I realized today that SHEli has been is this league for two freakin years, and Donovan has been in the league 7 years. SHEli, despite having no protection for 3 quarters and an awful game for 3 quarters rallied his team to a win today. So I asked myself, if Donovan had been put in the same situation...at his own 20, with no timeouts and less than a minute left...could he have marched the Eagles down the field to get into field goal range??
I thought of every conceiveable possibility, but the answer was always the same...no he couldn't. Maybe its just the way today ended, but sometime, doesn't McNabb have to show he can win in the final minutes of a critical game??
Quote from: Butchers Bill on September 17, 2006, 09:13:23 PM
I thought of every conceiveable possibility, but the answer was always the same...no he couldn't. Maybe its just the way today ended, but sometime, doesn't McNabb have to show he can win in the final minutes of a critical game??
you're overreacting a bit. there have been quite a few times he's led them down the field to win a game. today's loss is mostly on Reid, not McNabb
McNabb can only run what is called for him. Andy got conservative when he should've been aggressive and aggressive when he should've been conservative. He pretty much did everything wrong in the second half.
Ok...Outside of the 04 NFC Championship game name me 5 major comeback wins for McNabbs? McNabb is no Tom Brady. He has legs of jello in the big time situations.
Reid did call a horrible second half...I knew when he stopped being aggressive things could get ugle real quick.
WHAT the hell happened to our pathetic offense in OT?
@ Green Bay 2003
home vs Dallas 2004
home vs Green Bay 2003 playoffs
@ KC 2005
@ Giants 2001 or was it 02 with Thrash in the end zone?
there is 5
And those wins amounted to a championship those years?
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 17, 2006, 09:22:34 PM
@ Green Bay 2003
home vs Dallas 2004
home vs Green Bay 2003 playoffs
@ KC 2005
@ Giants 2001 or was it 02 with Thrash in the end zone?
there is 5
Thanks Bunk...I needed that. :yay
Quote from: Pissed Off on September 17, 2006, 09:08:16 PM
What the hell did the offense do in OT dippy?
Stallworth and LJ dropped perfect passes from their QB.
Quote from: Pissed Off on September 17, 2006, 09:26:14 PM
And those wins amounted to a championship those years?
you asked for 5 comebacks, and you got it, so now you change the rules? stop being a moron.
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so we lose and ppl question mcnabb who out of all the players today prolly had the least to do with the loss. he didnt fumble the ball, miss the FG, or not recover the fumble, or not get the 1 yd on 4rth down, or drop 2 critical passes in OT.
but then again with this team everything is his fault automatically.
When in doubt, blame the QB.
It's better to be pissed off than to be pissed on....
Quote from: Bunkley78 on September 17, 2006, 09:22:34 PM
@ Green Bay 2003
home vs Dallas 2004
home vs Green Bay 2003 playoffs
@ KC 2005
@ Giants 2001 or was it 02 with Thrash in the end zone?
there is 5
May I add two more from 2000:
@Pittsburgh
@Washington
Thinking about it, I guess DMac is the only offensive player left from that 2000 team. Damn, time flies.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 17, 2006, 11:49:28 PM
Thinking about it, I guess DMac is the only offensive player left from that 2000 team. Damn, time flies.
The tackles are the same.
Yeah Tra/William's been there forever at this point and I guess 2000 was Runyan's first year. I was just thinking skill players, good catch.
most coaches have once in a career losses like this...well once in a career...this is reids fourth?...
how does get away with it?...because he admits that he has to 'get better'...i hope to god after this season he is held to a higher standard
mcnabb is mcnabb...he always will be...a good but not great qb...reid is the real villian here
Losses that rank up with this.....
Tommy Hutton botched snap game vs. Dallas
2002 Championship game
2003 Championship game
joe montana comeback 49ers game
I watched this game on my couch from the start and i sat there until 1:30am. UNREAL....
BTW-What's up Phreak; how ya livin?????
Blaming MCNABB for this game? lmfao.
Reid called a great first half and then forgot AGAIN to call the run. His playcalling is atrocious. Has been for a LONG time. He continued to try to use play action but when the farg will he learn that you can't USE playaction if you stop calling run plays. You become predictable and easy to defend.
[/end broken record rant that began after the first 2 games of the 2003 season]
yeah, mcnabb would be the last person i'd blame.
it came back to the same old problems...lack of a consistent running game and poor playcalling. sound familiar?
what reid did wrong was run the ball when he should have passed and passed when he should have run
third quarter when they should have been trying to put the giants away they are playing conservative
fourth quarter when they should have been running clock they first down pass on three straight possesions
A pass play on 4th and 1.
Only Andy Reid...
Quote from: Diomedes on September 18, 2006, 09:08:54 AM
A pass play on 4th and 1.
Only Andy Reid...
I almost ripped a seat our of the Linc when he passed. BOTH times.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2006, 09:08:42 AM
what reid did wrong was run the ball when he should have passed and passed when he should have run
third quarter when they should have been trying to put the giants away they are playing conservative
fourth quarter when they should have been running clock they first down pass on three straight possesions
Agree completely. Both he and Jim Johnson made a ton of questionable play calls in the 2nd half.
we lost another cb to injury so let's blitz more and leave them in 1-on-1 coverage.
Quote from: hunt on September 18, 2006, 09:15:24 AM
we lost another cb to injury so let's blitz more and leave them in 1-on-1 coverage.
Yes! Surely the Giants can't be expecting that! Eli will be sacked on every play!
Johnson regularly outcoaches himself. It's obvious the addition of Pete Jenkins coaching the DL is saving Johnson from looking more and more like an old mad scientist. He's not a genius by any means.
here i thought the borg were going to assimilate us, glad this is just an eagles thread.
the one thing i did notice in the post game press conference was that reid actually sounded like he meant it when he said he has to do things better. he's said it a million times but this time he actually sounded sincere.
oh, and die-hard, i think you broke my hand on one if the high-fives, thanks.
Quote from: T_Section224 on September 18, 2006, 09:24:59 AM
oh, and die-hard, i think you broke my hand on one if the high-fives, thanks.
Hey, at least he didn't punch anybody this game.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 18, 2006, 09:25:49 AMHey, at least he didn't punch anybody this game.
there was one point when a couple of giants fans were standing in front of us that i though he was going to take a swing at this one putz.
Maybe if he did, the Eagles would have won. Let's blame Die-Hard for the loss!
if die-hard showed some more energy we would have won. he let the team down, he let the fanbase down, and he let the entire city down. booo die-hard.
dumb ass Mutts fan
Quote from: T_Section224 on September 18, 2006, 09:27:44 AMthere was one point when a couple of giants fans were standing in front of us that i though he was going to take a swing at this one putz.
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Were you guys standing in the concourse? I ended up sitting with the guy I bought my seat from & his elderly sister, who made me kiss her good luck troll doll.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 18, 2006, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on September 18, 2006, 10:34:18 AM...who made me kiss her good luck troll doll.
LMFAO.
If I ever see you, I have a picture of it on my cell phone. It was too odd not to capture.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 18, 2006, 09:13:41 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2006, 09:08:42 AM
what reid did wrong was run the ball when he should have passed and passed when he should have run
third quarter when they should have been trying to put the giants away they are playing conservative
fourth quarter when they should have been running clock they first down pass on three straight possesions
Agree completely. Both he and Jim Johnson made a ton of questionable play calls in the 2nd half.
Watched the second half again this am - as painfull as it was - and this one is on Andy. The play calling was unreal. I know you try not to be predictable in your play calling but at the same time you have to make safe, and smart calls. Reid didn't do that.
Quite frankly losing to Eli and Shocky just sucks!
I have the game on ShortCuts ready to watch again. We'll see when I can handle it. Maybe Friday.
We'll all have PLENTY of chances to see every missed opportunity and terrible play call because NFL Network has already announced that it's going to be featured on NFL Replay... and I guarantee you this loss will be immortalized by NFL Films in the NFL Game of the Week as well.
Jesus.
Tough time to be an Eagles fan in NYC. It'd be one thing if the Giants took the game..but it's another thing when the Eagles handed it to them. The preening, cock-sure gloating is galling. And there's nothing I can do but sit here and take it.
farging Andy Reid.
Quote from: Beermonkey on September 18, 2006, 10:34:18 AMWere you guys standing in the concourse? I ended up sitting with the guy I bought my seat from & his elderly sister, who made me kiss her good luck troll doll.
i decided to get into the shade of the concourse and found D-H pacing back and forth randomly high-fiving and hugging eagles fans, then as the 4th ended i thought i was going to have to stop him from climbing up the reggie tribute and jumping.
kissing an old woman's troll, dude, that is just sick no matter how drunk you were.
I agree, Reid farged the whole game up. I was livid pretty much the whole 4th quarter. The offensive play calling was horrible. Not double-teaming plaxico was horrible. I like dropping Dawk into the box, but leaving M. Lewis to cover the sky...not good, Dawk might of had a chance to break up one of those longer throws. The defense just looked tried in the 4th, they didn't get the penetration they had all through the game and Eli just pick our weak secondary apart. UNREAL...but I'm not as upset about it today. I know how good the players are, they all showed that yesterday, but the playcalling was horrific, the decisions made were bad and they put our players in bad situations. The entire coaching staff needs to apologize.
Quote from: T_Section224 on September 18, 2006, 11:46:16 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on September 18, 2006, 10:34:18 AMWere you guys standing in the concourse? I ended up sitting with the guy I bought my seat from & his elderly sister, who made me kiss her good luck troll doll.
i decided to get into the shade of the concourse and found D-H pacing back and forth randomly high-fiving and hugging eagles fans, then as the 4th ended i thought i was going to have to stop him from climbing up the reggie tribute and jumping.
kissing an old woman's troll, dude, that is just sick no matter how drunk you were.
it's great that all day drinking creates bizarre stories like this. gotta luv the sick/stupid alcoholics.
sounds like im the only one but i totally agree with the all out blitz on the plaxico play...you had to do something at that point...eli had completed 150 passes in a row...they could not stop him...and it wasnt like you left hanson out on an island with plax...it was your pro bowler...he didnt make the play...period
also a blitz gives you a better chance at a sack and a longer field goal
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2006, 01:55:43 PM
sounds like im the only one but i totally agree with the all out blitz on the plaxico play...you had to do something at that point...eli had completed 150 passes in a row...they could not stop him...and it wasnt like you left hanson out on an island with plax...it was your pro bowler...he didnt make the play...period
also a blitz gives you a better chance at a sack and a longer field goal
They'd tried blitzes. A lot of them.
And Sheldon's never made the Pro Bowl. Sending one extra guy might have been smart... not 3.
Do you guys think that Trent Cole may have been a big reason why philly lost?
Had he not kicked McKenzie in the nuts Feely may not have made that FG...
Quote from: Pissed Off on September 17, 2006, 09:02:22 PM
Once again this game shows us that McNabb is not a big game QB and Andy Reid is useless when it comes to thinking on the fly. Yes, we all know McNabb can be great, but he's lost us big games in just about every way conceivable. He's lost it being tired, confused, and now being cocky. Taunting the Giant's defensive line and then getting a false start penalty was a fantastic idea with only having a 10 point cushion. Side note...Or Defensive backs are toooooo small and way overated. If we didn't get the pressure we did today and if eli was more accurate they would've gotten burned a lot more even if Shepard was in there.
I realize that over the years we have won more than many franchises such as the Cardinals, Browns, Bengals, etc., but the plain and simple fact is that this city is more cursed than boston and chicago combined. We have good sports teams with great fans, but every damn year our teams find a way to let us down. Especially this Eagles team. They're good enough to break our hearts every year since there has been an NFL. I'd almost rather have a team like the lions or cardinals who you know will suck instead of a team that has the ability to win it all, but never does or will.
Losses like this are a tough reality check that this team is not nearly as good as our 2004 ALMOST superbowl winning team! We'll probably beat the weak teams and squeak out one or two wins against quality opponents which will lead to perhaps an 8-8 year.
glad to hear from you today. great first post. i am pissed of to !
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2006, 01:55:43 PM
sounds like im the only one but i totally agree with the all out blitz on the plaxico play...you had to do something at that point...eli had completed 150 passes in a row...they could not stop him...and it wasnt like you left hanson out on an island with plax...it was your pro bowler...he didnt make the play...period
also a blitz gives you a better chance at a sack and a longer field goal
Hell... that's fine, but why in the hell do we wait 'til we're up against it in OT to make that call? Plenty of chances to try to stop momentum in the 4th qtr and even the early stages of OT. I got no problem with the blitz call, but they called a zero coverage blitz leaving a 6'5" WR alone with a 5'10" CB. Not smart.
Quote from: v45 on September 18, 2006, 01:59:13 PM
Do you guys think that Trent Cole may have been a big reason why philly lost?
Had he not kicked McKenzie in the nuts Feely may not have made that FG...
One of many reasons.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 18, 2006, 02:01:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2006, 01:55:43 PM
sounds like im the only one but i totally agree with the all out blitz on the plaxico play...you had to do something at that point...eli had completed 150 passes in a row...they could not stop him...and it wasnt like you left hanson out on an island with plax...it was your pro bowler...he didnt make the play...period
also a blitz gives you a better chance at a sack and a longer field goal
Hell... that's fine, but why in the hell do we wait 'til we're up against it in OT to make that call? Plenty of chances to try to stop momentum in the 4th qtr and even the early stages of OT. I got no problem with the blitz call, but they called a zero coverage blitz leaving a 6'5" WR alone with a 5'10" CB. Not smart.
yeah and Manning knew it, did you guys hear the interview after the game? That play was read.
they ran the same blitz when there was a false start a play before, in fact all Eli did was through a hitch to Plax, instead, it was to the Giants advantage to false start, because Eli got to read the blitz, JJ was dumb enough to call it again, but this time Eli told Plax to run a go route.
Jim Johnson usually deserves more of the blame than he actually gets. Do the fans just love him because he blitzes?
i don't know if I'd say 'usually', but he does fly under the radar a little bit.
its only a dumb call because the blitz didnt get there and because sheldon couldnt make the play...again i have no problem with that call..eli was doing whatever he wanted in the second half...blitz or no blitz...the guy was unconcious...something had to be tried
And again I say that he tried blitzing unsuccessfully repeatedly in the 4th quarter.
You should have a problem with the call. Instead of making Eli thread a ball into coverage, he let him chuck it up and make an easy play for the win.
The face that you don't have any problem with the jailbreak blitz on that call and yet want to blame Andy Reid for everything except global warning pretty much sums up your inability to change an incorrect opinion.
again eli completed over 70%...70!!...sitting back would have done absolutely nothing...so he throws deep and beats mike lewis and sheldon brown instead of just sheldon brown...or he throws for an easy first down on hanson
at least with a blitz youre trying to dictate what happens instead of getting disected apart like they were...
plus as i said you have a chance at a sack and put them out of or in deep field goal range
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 18, 2006, 02:31:06 PM
Jim Johnson usually deserves more of the blame than he actually gets. Do the fans just love him because he blitzes?
I've noticed this for a few years. I think fans view Johnson as one of them, like a guy you'd expect to see sitting next to you drinking 50 cent drafts at some corner bar. His somewhat blue collar, unpolished demeanor seems to allow him to get overlooked when the defense plays like shtein or he is out game-planned.
These same people will tend to demonize Lurie, Banner & Reid because they represent arrogant management to them, probably the same way these type fans resent management in their real lives.
Reid didn't call a good game, and I'll even say he panicked. After thinking about it more though, if our players make the plays they were supposed to, we win this game. Westbrook fumbled, LJ dropped a pass, Donte dropped a pass, Reggie Brown dropped a pass. He called a bad game, but I'd say Andy gets no more than 50% of the blame. The players need to be accountable too.
the difference is johnson is overrated where as andy is incompetant...thats why the level of criticism is different...plus the head coach is always going to take more heat than a coordinator and rightfully so
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2006, 02:47:07 PM
again eli completed over 70%...70!!...sitting back would have done absolutely nothing...so he throws deep and beats mike lewis and sheldon brown instead of just sheldon brown...or he throws for an easy first down on hanson
at least with a blitz youre trying to dictate what happens instead of getting disected apart like they were...
plus as i said you have a chance at a sack and put them out of or in deep field goal range
i don't have a problem with a blitz, in theory, but like i said before, Eli got to see the blitz when they had a the false start. he was able to make a route adjustment if they did it again, and they did. i don't think you can run the same blitz after you had already shown it on a wasted play.
Quote from: SunMo on September 18, 2006, 02:51:10 PM
i don't think you can run the same blitz after you had already shown it on a wasted play.
Oh yes you can... with hilarious results!7fc9892!
i see what youre saying but its not as if they blitzed only dhani two plays in a row and eli checked down to shockey...they brought the house and eli went deep...he didnt check down to a safe or quick route that would avoid the blitz...he took a gamble as the eagles did...all or nothing...the giants executed and the birds didnt...i have no problem with that
Then you can't have a problem with Reid going for it on 4th and 1 to ice the game. Also a calculated gamble that failed.
after third down i yelled for him to go for it...punting and pinning a team that you couldnt stop anyway would have done nothing....so the call to go for it was a fine one...running a guy with no knees who has played one game in the last three years was not...
not to mention bringing him off the sidelines for that play...once he did that everyone in the country knew where reid was going...westbrook needs to be on the field there to give the defense more than one thing to think about
No, it was one yard. Keep Westbrook and Buck off the field. Go goalline, put god damned Cole at FB and let Tapeh pick it up.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 18, 2006, 05:35:25 PM
after third down i yelled for him to go for it...punting and pinning a team that you couldnt stop anyway would have done nothing....so the call to go for it was a fine one...running a guy with no knees who has played one game in the last three years was not...
not to mention bringing him off the sidelines for that play...once he did that everyone in the country knew where reid was going...westbrook needs to be on the field there to give the defense more than one thing to think about
It would have taken time off the clock. Time that meant something considering they tied the game with :10 left... or that they started that game tying drive with :52 left.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 18, 2006, 05:37:19 PM
No, it was one yard. Keep Westbrook and Buck off the field. Go goalline, put god damned Cole at FB and let Tapeh pick it up.
Now THAT'S what I was screaming for. Andy teased us with that play all preseason... and had two opportunities to use it and neglected to do so.
i would have preferred a sneak...but i could have lived with that...buck is a good story and all but he just doesnt have the power he had preinjuries and should not have been put in that position...i mean hes had what 10 carries since 2002 and hes brought in the game to get an uber important first down...i just dont understand that...its like andy went to his roster card and looked to see who was the teams 'big' back...and whatever that card said he was gonna go with it meanwhile ignoring every single other factor in the decision...andy is a horrid on the fly decision maker...
What?
Come on IGY. Buck has been running with power. Did you see him truck Gibril yesterday after he reversed field and tried his best to imitate McNabb in Dallas on MNF in '04?
Running on 4th and 1 there had zero to do with power. Just like when everyone laments the fact that they have "NO BIG BACK!!" as a reason they somehow lost yesterday.
That play was going to fail no matter who was running it. Wilson was crashing down and there was no one to block him. The OL didn't get a push and then Wilson cleaned up Buck as he crashed down.
And FYI - McNabb said that play call was Marty's. Not Andy's. So put away the hate Andy boner for a little bit.
I want to strangle everyone that says they have no big back. And then I want to give Tapeh a hug.
the play might have worked, but instead of a 3rd TE, they had Reggie Brown in, and he totally missed the safety coming off the edge. Tapeh got good penetration into the dline and Buck probably could've picked it up
Quote from: SunMo on September 18, 2006, 07:04:35 PM
the play might have worked, but instead of a 3rd TE, they had Reggie Brown in, and he totally missed the safety coming off the edge. Tapeh got good penetration into the dline and Buck probably could've picked it up
Bartrum had gotten hurt, so the 3rd TE might not have been an option?
Yeah, Reggie was lined up too far outside to get in front of Wilson to get a good block. It was a poor play call at the time. You run that when the safety isn't standing at the LOS unblocked.
Should have been a QB sneak.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 18, 2006, 07:08:24 PMShould have been a QB sneak.
Clearly. Even if they shouted to the Giants.."hey guys, we're gonna go with the qb sneak."
I was yelling that it should have a sneak too.
I'm awful unhappy with Reid.
I'm awful unhappy with Reid
welcome to four years ago
You're a swell guy. I wish I was as smart and cool as you.
take a number
May I have number, please?
as mad as i get at reid in game or after the game...esp when they lose but bunkley 78 is right in that the players mailed in the 4rth qrt. i mean if westbrook doesnt fumble or if m. lewis secures the fumble...i mean those were complete momentum changers. i blame the whole team and all the coaches.
i just cant wait till sunday. we need to beat the shtein out of san fran. beat em like TO still plays for them and knock out bryant and then kill alex smith. then cole can go kick him in the balls after the game is over.
Has a QB ever been stopped 3 times in a row on a sneak for a yard?
I didn't get to see this game but to me it sounds like the season opener against the Titans a few years back. Reid seems to lose at least one game a year for the Eagles. My only hope for Reid is that he can be a coach like Bill Cowher and after years of choking can finally get the team over the hump.
And even though I didn't get to see the game from every account that I have heard McNabb was the least of the teams worries. I will never understand why people will hate on him no matter what. I know guys down here and they hate McNabb and when I ask them why they can never give me a real reason. Whatever imho he is already one of the great Eagles of all-time.
Quote from: Pissed Off on September 17, 2006, 09:20:16 PM
Ok...Outside of the 04 NFC Championship game name me 5 major comeback wins for McNabbs? McNabb is no Tom Brady. He has legs of jello in the big time situations.
Reid did call a horrible second half...I knew when he stopped being aggressive things could get ugle real quick.
WHAT the hell happened to our pathetic offense in OT?
2000--OT wins against Dallas and at Pittsburgh, back-to-back, first time tha had been done in the league since OT was adopted for the regular season; win at Washington where he ran for 125 yards--I believe that was a comeback win--WITHOUT those 3, there are no playoffs in 2000
2001--win at the Meadowlands where they were behind all game
win over the Giants at the Vet--without those two wins, no NFC East title
win over the Bears in the playoffs to advance to the NFCCG for the first time since 1981--they were behind in that game
2003--regular season game at Green Bay on MNF--without that win, no HFA
playoff game against the Pack
So, I've just given you 8 comeback wins, and there are probably more. You didn't qualify your statement with "how many championships have they led to"--you just said, "name 5 major comeback wins".
A playoff game IS a major comeback win--lose and you're out.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on September 17, 2006, 09:13:23 PM
I thought a lot about this tonight.
I realized today that SHEli has been is this league for two freakin years, and Donovan has been in the league 7 years. SHEli, despite having no protection for 3 quarters and an awful game for 3 quarters rallied his team to a win today. So I asked myself, if Donovan had been put in the same situation...at his own 20, with no timeouts and less than a minute left...could he have marched the Eagles down the field to get into field goal range??
I thought of every conceiveable possibility, but the answer was always the same...no he couldn't. Maybe its just the way today ended, but sometime, doesn't McNabb have to show he can win in the final minutes of a critical game??
See Giants' games in 2001--led the Eagles downfield in the last minute of the game at the Meadowlands and erased a 7 point lead in the last 3 minutes of the game at the Vet
Oakland at the Linc in 2005--led the team down the field for the winning FG
Packers playoff game 2003--led the Eagles down the field--HELLO--4TH AND 26 ANYONE?--to tie it and then they won it in OT.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 22, 2006, 12:14:45 AM
Quote from: Pissed Off on September 17, 2006, 09:20:16 PM
Ok...Outside of the 04 NFC Championship game name me 5 major comeback wins for McNabbs? McNabb is no Tom Brady. He has legs of jello in the big time situations.
Reid did call a horrible second half...I knew when he stopped being aggressive things could get ugle real quick.
WHAT the hell happened to our pathetic offense in OT?
2000--OT wins against Dallas and at Pittsburgh, back-to-back, first time tha had been done in the league since OT was adopted for the regular season; win at Washington where he ran for 125 yards--I believe that was a comeback win--WITHOUT those 3, there are no playoffs in 2000
2001--win at the Meadowlands where they were behind all game
win over the Giants at the Vet--without those two wins, no NFC East title
win over the Bears in the playoffs to advance to the NFCCG for the first time since 1981--they were behind in that game
2003--regular season game at Green Bay on MNF--without that win, no HFA
playoff game against the Pack
So, I've just given you 8 comeback wins, and there are probably more. You didn't qualify your statement with "how many championships have they led to"--you just said, "name 5 major comeback wins".
A playoff game IS a major comeback win--lose and you're out.
It bears mentioning that the MNF game against the Pack was in the pouring rain, and Dmac still passed us downfield.
Quote from: shorebird on September 22, 2006, 06:25:11 AM
It bears mentioning that the MNF game against the Pack was in the pouring rain, and Andy still refused to run the ball so Dmac still was forced to passed us downfield.
Fixed.
Quote from: shorebird on September 22, 2006, 06:25:11 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on September 22, 2006, 12:14:45 AM
Quote from: Pissed Off on September 17, 2006, 09:20:16 PM
Ok...Outside of the 04 NFC Championship game name me 5 major comeback wins for McNabbs? McNabb is no Tom Brady. He has legs of jello in the big time situations.
Reid did call a horrible second half...I knew when he stopped being aggressive things could get ugle real quick.
WHAT the hell happened to our pathetic offense in OT?
2000--OT wins against Dallas and at Pittsburgh, back-to-back, first time tha had been done in the league since OT was adopted for the regular season; win at Washington where he ran for 125 yards--I believe that was a comeback win--WITHOUT those 3, there are no playoffs in 2000
2001--win at the Meadowlands where they were behind all game
win over the Giants at the Vet--without those two wins, no NFC East title
win over the Bears in the playoffs to advance to the NFCCG for the first time since 1981--they were behind in that game
2003--regular season game at Green Bay on MNF--without that win, no HFA
playoff game against the Pack
So, I've just given you 8 comeback wins, and there are probably more. You didn't qualify your statement with "how many championships have they led to"--you just said, "name 5 major comeback wins".
A playoff game IS a major comeback win--lose and you're out.
It bears mentioning that the MNF game against the Pack was in the pouring rain, and Dmac still passed us downfield.
Cerevant and I were in the stands for that game. It was freezing cold and raining. And Ahmad Green had like 180 yds rushing. We got lucky there. At least I got to meet the Birdman.
OMFG it was RAINING!!!
mcnabb>gawd
Pinky that game in the final minute>gawd
'05 vs the Chiefs?
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on September 22, 2006, 09:47:32 AM
'05 vs the Chiefs?
Being at that game was huge. One of the best games I've ever been too. Shame the season was such a waste, but the Donovan and "the reciever who shall not be named" turned that game around and the defense stepped up and shut down the Chiefs offense. Oh look. It was a team effort.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 22, 2006, 06:38:57 AM
Quote from: shorebird on September 22, 2006, 06:25:11 AM
It bears mentioning that the MNF game against the Pack was in the pouring rain, and Andy still refused to run the ball so Dmac still was forced to passed us downfield.
Fixed.
actually that game (http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/2003-10-phi-gb) had 31 pass attempts and 30 rushing attempts
Quote from: rjs246 on September 22, 2006, 06:38:57 AM
Quote from: shorebird on September 22, 2006, 06:25:11 AM
It bears mentioning that the MNF game against the Pack was in the pouring rain, and Andy still refused to run the ball so Dmac still was forced to passed us downfield.
Fixed.
C'mon man, since when do you run the ball in the last two minutes of a Monday Night game?
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 22, 2006, 09:10:42 AM
OMFG it was RAINING!
mcnabb>gawd
POURING rain and
FREEZING cold. Not that it made it any harder for GAWD to score.