Yuck.
GREEN - decent player/pick
STRIKETHROUGH - off the team and never really contributed
ITALICS - jury still out, but not looking good
Quote2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 15 Jerome McDougle DE Miami
2 61 L.J. Smith TE Rutgers
3 95 Billy McMullen WR Virginia
4 131 Jamaal Green DE Miami
6 185 Jeremy Bridges T Southern Mississippi
7 244 Norman LeJeune DB Louisiana State
Quote2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 16 Shawn Andrews G Arkansas
3 89 Matt Ware CB UCLA
4 129 J.R. Reed FS South Florida
4 131 Trey Darilek C Texas-El Paso
5 162 Thomas Tapeh FB Minnesota
6 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware
6 192 Dexter Wynn CB Colorado State
7 227 Adrien Clarke G Ohio State
7 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland
7 243 Dominic Furio C Nevada-Las Vegas
I just threw up a little.
that's a bad two years
It's not all bad news. The 2005 draft is still alive and well:
Quote2005
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 31 Mike Patterson DT Southern California
2 35 Reggie Brown WR Georgia
2 63 Matt McCoy OLB San Diego State
3 77 Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech
4 102 Sean Considine SS Iowa
4 126 Todd Herremans T Saginaw Valley State
5 146 Trent Cole DE Cincinnati
5 172 Scott Young G Brigham Young
6 211 Calvin Armstrong T Washington State
7 247 Keyonta Marshall DT Grand Valley State
7 252 David Bergeron LB Stanford
who's trent cole?
Sometimes it's a fine line between the GREEN and the ITALICS, especially when you're talking about 2nd year players.
Quote from: SunMo on September 05, 2006, 09:11:09 AM
who's trent cole?
He's the QB for the rams who tore his acl, then Kurt Warner ran onto the field after his shift at the quickymart and threw the football over the stadium...
Another way to look at is that being one of the top teams means that you draft later. Also, when you have a real top team, and sign a top FA annually or so, you don\'t have many holes to fill.
Quote from: stalker on September 05, 2006, 09:22:35 AM
Another way to look at is that being one of the top teams means that you draft later. Also, when you have a real top team, and sign a top FA annually or so, you don\'t have many holes to fill.
How on earth can onyone try to spin those awful drafts into something positive? Just stop.
I wouldnt say Reed never contributed. The guy just caught a real bad break.
Quote from: Die-Hard on September 05, 2006, 09:24:44 AM
I wouldnt say Reed never contributed. The guy just caught a real bad break.
or Tear... It sucks for Reed because he had the talent.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 05, 2006, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: stalker on September 05, 2006, 09:22:35 AM
Another way to look at is that being one of the top teams means that you draft later. Also, when you have a real top team, and sign a top FA annually or so, you don\\\'t have many holes to fill.
How on earth can onyone try to spin those awful drafts into something positive? Just stop.
Dude, you missed me! I noticed you havent been nearly as refreshing since I havent been around. But really this isnt spin. Certain teams consistently draft in the top five and you would have to consider their drafts as a tragedy. Middle teams have are a little better. The top teams sometimes find a starter but the occurence is rare. I have no evidence to back this up with the exception of my observation that teams tend to be in close to the same draft order year after year. And the FACT that the only real measure of success is how late you draft the next year!
I was really disappointed in Matt Ware and Billy McMullen since I was hoping for big things from them.
Yep.
But the '02 and '05 drafts that bracket them are good. Well, the '02 is. The '05 simply looks good so far.
And they did have good UDFA's in '03 too.
Sometimes you have a couple of stinkers. You'd be surprised to see how poor other teams do in comparison to the Birds - even with these two zesty drafts.
It would be interesting to do the same thing with the other NFCE teams. Well, maybe not interesting enough for me to do it, but somewhat interesting.
Hindsight is a powerful demotivator. Focus on now, and look forward.
Good pick/playerAverage pick/player or did not live up to hype but still good
Off the team Jury still outtaterskins
Quote2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana
Quote2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami
3 81 Chris Cooley FB Utah State
5 151 Mark Wilson T California
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame
Cowboys
Quote2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 5 Terence Newman CB Kansas State
2 38 Al Johnson C Wisconsin
3 69 Jason Witten TE Tennessee
4 103 Bradie James ILB Louisiana State
6 178 B.J. Tucker CB Wisconsin
6 186 Zuriel Smith WR Hampton
7 219 Justin Bates G Colorado
Quote2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
2 43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame
2 52 Jacob Rogers T Southern California
3 83 Stephen Peterman G Louisiana State
4 121 Bruce Thornton CB Georgia
5 144 Sean Ryan TE Boston College
7 205 Nathan Jones CB Rutgers
7 216 Patrick Crayton WR N.W. Oklahoma
7 223 Jacques Reeves CB Purdue
*Rogers and Peterman have played a total of 5 games.
Giants
Quote2003
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 25 William Joseph DT Miami
2 56 Osi Umenyiora DE Troy
3 91 Visanthe Shiancoe TE Morgan State
4 123 Roderick Babers DB Texas
5 160 David Diehl G Illinois
6 199 Willie Ponder WR S.E. Missouri
6 207 Frank Walker CB Tuskegee
6 211 David Tyree WR Syracuse
7 240 Charles Drake DB Michigan
7 249 Wayne Lucier C Colorado
7 255 Kevin Walter WR Eastern Michigan
Quote2004
Rd Sel# Player Pos. School
1 4 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State..turned into Eli
2 34 Chris Snee G Boston College
4 97 Reggie Torbor OLB Auburn
5 136 Gibril Wilson SS Tennessee
6 168 Jamaar Taylor WR Texas A&M
7 203 Drew Strojny T Duke
7 253 Isaac Hilton DE Hampton
In order to judge the Eagles draft, you need to compare it with how the entire NFL did. Obviously you won't because it takes too long, but I have a feeling a lot of teams are in the same boat as the Eagles.
How shockingly homertastic of you to say!
Compare all you want. The 2003 & 2004 drafts were abysmal.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 05, 2006, 02:25:44 PM
Compare all you want. The 2003 & 2004 drafts were abysmal.
He has a point though, I went through the 03 draft awhile ago (didnt do 04, although obviously it was way better) and overall the 03 draft was garbage.
#2 WR Charles Rogers, bust
#4 DT Dewayne Robertson, bust
#5 CB Terrance Newman, good but hasnt lived up to top 5 potential
#6 DT Jonathon Sullivan, bust
#12 DT Jimmy Kennedy, bust
#13 DE Ty Warren, good but not top 15
#14 DE Michael Haynes, bust
#15 DE Jerome McDougle, jury still out but leaning towards bust
#17 WR Bryant Johnson, average
#18 DE Calvin Pace, bust
#19 QB Kyle Boller, bust
#21 C Jeff Faine, average
#22 QB Rex Grossman, injury problems
#25 DT William Joseph, bust
#26 OT Kwame Harris, average at best
#28 CB Andre Woolfolk, average
#30 CB Sammy Davis, bust
That's just the first round. There are hardly any good players in the entire draft compared to past drafts. Not defending the Eagles because their draft was horrible...but so were the others. Just saying.
I would love to look at the Lions for the past 5 years. And I can't believe that the owners don't do it and then fire millen.
I know the Fords are rich, but don't you think you should monitor a $350 milion investment a little?
So in the NFC East the Eagles did about as good as the Skins.... That is BAD!!
Only a little bit behind the Pokes.
Gints take the prize for best NFC East drafts those years...
Dillen, you might want to edit the Cowboys a little--Jacob Rogers was cut back in May, and Peterman was cut last week when they had to go to 75 players.
Ponder was cut by the Giants as well.
Well, say for a second that most of the league had as many busted picks as the Eagles did in those 2 drafts. Then wouldn't that have made the Eagles' drafts average instead of bad? Because even if the Eagles picked other players instead of the ones they drafted, then they would still end up with another team's busts, right? That's one way of looking at it. Or you could just say that the Eagles had a bad draft because the draft class was bad.
That is assuming other teams did bad 1-7, because I have no idea if they did or didn't. I didn't go through all 32 team drafts.
I have thought the Eagles have done really well in the draft under Reid and company, really that isn't the case. Other than the 2002 draft when they got 4 players that could all be Pro Bowlers they haven't done that well. That being said it seems like the players they do hit on are usually extremely good.
Personally, I'm shocked that we are 25 posts into this thread and no one has yet posted a spirited defense of Jerome McDougle. In seasons past there were always people leaping to his defense on here whenever so much as a peep was said about his bust-itude. Has that contingent officially surrendered, or what?
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 05, 2006, 07:41:45 PM
Personally, I'm shocked that we are 25 posts into this thread and no one has yet posted a spirited defense of Jerome McDougle. In seasons past there were always people leaping to his defense on here whenever so much as a peep was said about his bust-itude. Has that contingent officially surrendered, or what?
I am one that leans towards him being a bust, but in fairness to him he has never been remotely healthy. Knowing Philly luck he will probably be the next Derrick Burgess.
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 05, 2006, 07:41:45 PM
Personally, I'm shocked that we are 25 posts into this thread and no one has yet posted a spirited defense of Jerome McDougle. In seasons past there were always people leaping to his defense on here whenever so much as a peep was said about his bust-itude. Has that contingent officially surrendered, or what?
Nope. He looked great in camp.
I'll wait until he blows up and the beat all of you busters over the head with how great he is. :)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2006, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 05, 2006, 07:41:45 PM
Personally, I'm shocked that we are 25 posts into this thread and no one has yet posted a spirited defense of Jerome McDougle. In seasons past there were always people leaping to his defense on here whenever so much as a peep was said about his bust-itude. Has that contingent officially surrendered, or what?
Nope. He looked great in camp.
I'll wait until he blows up and the beat all of you busters over the head with how great he is. :)
or just literally blows up
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 05, 2006, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 05, 2006, 07:41:45 PM
Personally, I'm shocked that we are 25 posts into this thread and no one has yet posted a spirited defense of Jerome McDougle. In seasons past there were always people leaping to his defense on here whenever so much as a peep was said about his bust-itude. Has that contingent officially surrendered, or what?
I am one that leans towards him being a bust, but in fairness to him he has never been remotely healthy. Knowing Philly luck he will probably be the next Derrick Burgess.
Part of being a bust is never being healthy.
Quote from: methdeez on September 05, 2006, 08:34:11 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 05, 2006, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 05, 2006, 07:41:45 PM
Personally, I'm shocked that we are 25 posts into this thread and no one has yet posted a spirited defense of Jerome McDougle. In seasons past there were always people leaping to his defense on here whenever so much as a peep was said about his bust-itude. Has that contingent officially surrendered, or what?
I am one that leans towards him being a bust, but in fairness to him he has never been remotely healthy. Knowing Philly luck he will probably be the next Derrick Burgess.
Part of being a bust is never being healthy.
Most busts aren't shot in the stomach right before training camp though. Either way, I think we'll know for sure what he really is by the end of this season.
What type of performance this season would show he's not a bust? I'm leaning towards him not working out this season, but would love to be wrong.
Quote from: Beermonkey on September 05, 2006, 09:10:29 PMWhat type of performance this season would show he's not a bust?
How about 45 tackles and 6-8 sacks? Is that too farging much to ask from a first round DE?
I'd take 30 tackles and 4 sacks, because I hope he barely sees the field.
Fair enough. We're both farging dreaming.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 05, 2006, 09:28:38 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on September 05, 2006, 09:10:29 PMWhat type of performance this season would show he's not a bust?
How about 45 tackles and 6-8 sacks? Is that too farging much to ask from a first round DE?
It probably is too much given that he's not going to be on the field much with Kearse & Howard ahead of him now. FF's numbers look realistic & would make me feel better about him. Not much better, but better.
Wait, he wasn't cut?
Quote from: Diomedes on September 05, 2006, 09:28:38 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on September 05, 2006, 09:10:29 PMWhat type of performance this season would show he's not a bust?
How about 45 tackles and 6-8 sacks? Is that too farging much to ask from a first round DE?
That may just elevate him barely above bust status, considering they gave up a second rounder to move up and get him.
That's what I'm saying. It would take that much to stave off the "bust" tag--which is very different from justifying what was spent to acquire him--and there's no farging way he's gonna produce those kind of stats.
If McDougle gets 4 sacks this year I'll swallow my tongue from shock.
^^ Even more reason to hope McDougle can get it going.^^
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Great, he's got his Freddie Mitchell moment of fame. Can he play DE, too?
Quote from: rjs246 on September 05, 2006, 11:31:52 PM
If McDougle gets 4 sacks this year I'll swallow my tongue from shock.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 05, 2006, 11:38:24 PM
^^ Even more reason to hope McDougle can get it going.^^
Why? It's not like he needs his tongue to post here.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 06, 2006, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 05, 2006, 11:31:52 PM
If McDougle gets 4 sacks this year I'll swallow my tongue from shock.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 05, 2006, 11:38:24 PM
^^ Even more reason to hope McDougle can get it going.^^
Why? It's not like he needs his tongue to post here.
I was kinda holding out hope that he'd choke on it.
He's fifth on the depth chart. Now that's first round production. And he wasn't shot, or stabbed, or even barbed by a stingray this preseason.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 06, 2006, 01:01:31 AM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 06, 2006, 12:44:24 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 05, 2006, 11:31:52 PM
If McDougle gets 4 sacks this year I'll swallow my tongue from shock.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 05, 2006, 11:38:24 PM
^^ Even more reason to hope McDougle can get it going.^^
Why? It's not like he needs his tongue to post here.
I was kinda holding out hope that he'd choke on it.
Good point.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2006, 11:40:13 PM
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