From Spads:
QuoteThe action has started: The Eagles have traded offensive lineman Hank Fraley to Cleveland for an undisclosed draft pick in 2008. It had long been a possibility and now it is reality.
What does it mean? It means that Fraley has a chance to start in Cleveland. That is a great thing for him. Fraley was clearly beaten out by Jamaal Jackson here, so now he has a chance to go get some playing time and prove he is worthy of a new, long-term deal.
For the Eagles, it means Nick Cole is the backup at center. The coaches love that kid, who earned some recognition on Friday night lining up in the backfield as a blocking back for Thomas Tapeh.
The Eagles don't have a lot of experience behind the starters up front, so that is something to think about. But they absolutely have raved about Cole for two months. He is 350 pounds and very powerful and explosive. He did a fine job on Friday running the show, which must have convinced the Eagles that Fraley was expendable.
Other trades, I suspect, are in the works. Stay tuned.
Dumb move.
Well, I'm not happy with that. He was about the best depth you could hope for...inexpensive, experienced, great attitude, talented and hard working. This must be part of a larger plan to acquire some RB or LB depth...
esp since we didnt get a back in return.
could have used the depth.
I dont think it's dumb. There's good parts and bad parts.
Good
- Fraley wouldnt be here past this year anyways
- Get a draft pick
Bad
- Jackson injury prone, no proven backup
- Nick Cole depended on as backup center?
Well, how does this change things? Obviously, Cole now makes the squad. But he's not a G/C, right? So who sticks at G? And which position loses a roster spot to account for the extra OL?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 02, 2006, 02:34:24 PM
esp since we didnt get a back in return.
could have used the depth.
Suggs was released and Green was put on IR.
Who do you want Droughns? Harrison? No way.
This means that Nick Cole is the backup C. And if Jackson, a guy who gets injured at times, goes down they're farged.
Pray that Jamaal stays healthy.
I guess they are impressed with Cole.
A 2008 draft pick??????
I went a little cross eyed when I say that, too. Who says humanity will even survive that long?
My guess is that Cleveland already gave up a few picks this offseason already for Tucker and a few other players, and didn't have the pick to give the Eagles until 2008.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 02, 2006, 02:36:22 PM
Well, how does this change things? Obviously, Cole now makes the squad. But he's not a G/C, right? So who sticks at G? And which position loses a roster spot to account for the extra OL?
Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
Justice
Jean-Gilles
Those guys are locks. That leaves two more spots open, IMO.
Pat McCoy
Trey Darilek or rjs's buddy Scott Young takes the 9th spot, IMO.
Would prefer the depth of having Fraley over a draft pick, let's hope there is some larger plan in the works here.
Where's Cole on that list Freak? They aren't going to go without a backup C. That's what I was getting at. I think now they need to keep 10 OL, so where do they go light? RB? LB? CB?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 02, 2006, 02:45:35 PM
Where's Cole on that list Freak? They aren't going to go without a backup C. That's what I was getting at. I think now they need to keep 10 OL, so where do they go light? RB? LB? CB?
Ha! I'm an idiot. I forgot to add Cole in there. :-[
So maybe Darilek or Young don't make it. Cole just takes Fraley's spot.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 02, 2006, 02:34:18 PM
Well, I'm not happy with that. He was about the best depth you could hope for...inexpensive, experienced, great attitude, talented and hard working. This must be part of a larger plan to acquire some RB or LB depth...
That's what I was thinking. There was no value in this move for the Eagles unless the pick will help accomplish another goal. The team was not going to cut him, so the "they wanted to get something for him before he was released" angle doesn't hold up.
I guess the Eagles weren't impressed with Fraley at G/C and liked Cole better. Plus they would hate to cut a young Cole when Fraley is gone after this season anyway.
That simply makes no sense. What are the conditions on the pick? It inflates to what given what level of performance by Fraley?
I thought Cole was destined for the PS, but maybe they really liked Cole better, and might as well get something for Fraley while the gettins good. Anybody hear what round the pick was?
And I'll be shocked if they go with only Jean-Gilles at backup G. Even Spads has been down on him.
So assume that they keep the five starters and Cole, Justice, Gilles, and McCoy - that leaves them with 4 rookies off the bench and 3 interior starters with a combined 29 games played among them. It's great that they've got a lot of young talent they like, but the lack of experience along the line now is definitely a concern.
Okay, never mind, now it's clear that the Fraley trade, making room for Cole was worth it:
According to Spadaro:
Quotehe [Cole] has a little something, something in him.
Cole fargs bitches up as goal line FB though.
Spads said another trade might be coming, he'll update when he can release it.
Again, I think you guys are missing an important point here. No way they only go with Jean-Gillis as G depth. They now have to keep 10 OL.
ryan moats and a draft pick for a more capable rb is my guess
Spads said it's not major. That would classify as major.
It could be Rayburn for a pick.
Do you just pick names out of a hat, or did the tea leaves tell you that? Rayburn's going nowhere.
and yesterday Fraley was going nowhere too.
One thing in common is there have been rumored trades with both players.
From the AR Press Conference thread:
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on August 31, 2006, 11:16:27 AM
Fraley will be traded before the season starts. Probably to the Browns. You can tell by how hard Spads in sucking his knob. Dude's history.
I scare me sometimes. That is the same thread I played the gay "Guess Which Player Spads is Thinking of Game." I am going to A.C tonight. Don't fail me now!
Bull. Fraley's been discussed ever since Bentley went down. The only reason, IMO, it didn't happen sooner is they wanted to see if Jackson could carry the load, and if Cole was ready. Now we know what the FO thinks.
JJ won't be happy with a 4 man rotation at DT.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 02, 2006, 02:50:49 PM
That simply makes no sense. What are the conditions on the pick? It inflates to what given what level of performance by Fraley?
No sense at all. The more I follow football the more I realize you can never, ever underestimate the importance of OL depth. 2008 pick? Whatever.
To clarify, I was saying "that makes no sense" to Bunkley78's previous comment. Regarding the trade, I'm puzzled but not willing to condemn it yet. I'm hoping it's part of a larger plan. I'll give the FO the benefit of the doubt in risking OL depth if they bring in LB or RB help. If they don't, then I'll complain. You can't wait for that, I'm sure.
QuoteReid, in fact, raved about Cole in a production meeting in his hotel room on the morning of the Baltimore preseason game. Reid likes his feet, his athletic ability and his power. Cole started 40 straight games at New Mexico State at guard and tackle, so he has some experience.
Straight from Spads, so never mind me. He has the same skill set as Hank, just not proven NFL level. It makes more sense as a trade now.
If they do get a running back that can run up the middle I might stomp my cat in the neck from excitement.
What will your dog pee on then?
i wouldn't have made the trade just out of spite. i guess thats why i'm not working in the FO.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 02, 2006, 04:21:51 PM
If they do get a running back that can run up the middle I might stomp my cat in the neck from excitement.
Do you even really have a cat?
P.S. I'm not really a fan of this trade, and I didn't even like Fraley as a player.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 02, 2006, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 02, 2006, 04:21:51 PM
If they do get a running back that can run up the middle I might stomp my cat in the neck from excitement.
Do you even really have a cat?
He strikes me more as an iguana man. Maybe a ferret.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 02, 2006, 04:26:12 PM
What will your dog pee on then?
It does my heart good to know that someone remembers that story. Kind of hilarious.
We live and die by your every word. Mostly live, which I'm sure does not please you in any way.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 02, 2006, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on September 02, 2006, 02:34:24 PM
esp since we didnt get a back in return.
could have used the depth.
Suggs was released and Green was put on IR.
Who do you want Droughns? Harrison? No way.
This means that Nick Cole is the backup C. And if Jackson, a guy who gets injured at times, goes down they're farged.
Pray that Jamaal stays healthy.
ohh didnt know that. so now we should be able to get suggs.
edit: im going to make a prediction and say we dont pick up another RB at all from here on. i think reid is sold on moats, buck, and westbrook. if anything we might pick up some Oline depth. i doubt we even pick up a LB.
Why the hell do people want Suggs? He's more injury prone than Westbrook.
Same reason they want Steven Davis. They've heard his name on sportscenter, so he must be good.
Quote from: Dillen37 on September 02, 2006, 05:27:38 PM
Why the hell do people want Suggs? He's more injury prone than Westbrook.
Exactly. I think people just want someone other than Buckhalter backing Westbrook up. And I can't say that I blame them.
Reuben Frank says it's a conditional 7th rounder that turns into a 6th based on him starting (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-09032006-706933.html)
QuoteThe Eagles traded Fraley to the Browns for a conditional 2008 seventh-round pick that becomes a sixth-round pick if Fraley, as expected, becomes a starter.
It doesn't sound like much for somebody who started 71 games for the Eagles from 2001 through last year, but Fraley is a free agent after this season, and the Browns anticipate Bentley returning after missing this year with a knee injury suffered on the first day of training camp.
I still don't like it. I liked the safety net of having him there in case Jamaal gets hurt.
I don't like this trade for a couple reasons.
1. Like many have already said, Fraley provided a proven and inexpensive backup incase something happens to Jackson.
2. The fact that Cleveland was desperate for a center and was able to get a good one for nothing more than possibly a 6th round pick was a steal for them. Even if it is for only 1 year.
3. But the thing I don't like the most about this trade is the fact that the Eagles won't see any return on it for 2 friggin years.
Now maybe the FO has a "bigger plan" for this newly aquired draft pick. Maybe they will try and use it in a package deal to move up at some point in next years draft. I simply don't know. But until they are able to make such a move and looking at this trade at face value there is absolutely nothing about it that I like.
As I've said, the only explanation is if they seriously wanted to cut him anyway.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 03, 2006, 09:43:54 AM
As I've said, the only explanation is if they seriously wanted to cut him anyway.
I have the same line of thinking. He sucks as a Guard and if they're as high on this Cole kid as we've been lead to believe than I guess at least we got something for him. (if it were up to me I'd have kept him)
I'm surprised they got so little for him. Couldn't they have gotten at least a sixth round pick that inflates to a fifth?
i hate to see him go, having him for depth would of been great, but lets face it. the FO knew before camp jamal was the man. fraley's not good enough for our team. its kinda zesty though we basically just gave him away, i don't really understand this.
Quote from: Diomedes on September 04, 2006, 09:37:39 AM
I'm surprised they got so little for him. Couldn't they have gotten at least a sixth round pick that inflates to a fifth?
Even though he was an UDFA, I thought his average play would have gotten them at least a 5th in 2007. I looked at the draft value chart and a 6th/7th in 2007 would equal between 2 to 27 value points. Since the Fraley pick is in 2008, that pick is worth most likely half of those points. From a value perspective, they basically gave him away.
Knowing how much this franchise values it's picks, I could only imagine that they may have planned to cut Fraley, like some others have said.
The more I think about it, the more I don't like it. Then again, I'm sure they decided that they were going to cut him if this didn't happen. If that's the case, it's a matter of something being better than nothing.
Fraley started yesterday, so I guess it's a 6th-rd pick...
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What up Honey Buns?
i cant believe so many people are/were up in arms about hank friggin fraley
he sucks...if anything be mad at andy reid for starting him the last six years
be happy that hes gone and be happy that they were able to get anything for him....thats the genius in this whole thing
From Don Banks
QuoteThe curse of the Browns center lives on. Newly acquired Hank Fraley, the 117th guy to play the position for Cleveland since the start of training camp, had a memorable debut at home against the Saints. He gave up three sacks to New Orleans defensive tackle Brian Young, which were more than Young recorded in the past two seasons combined, a span of 31 starts.
Next to the Bermuda Triangle and Area 51 in Nevada, the next freakiest spot in all the world is the middle of Cleveland's offensive line
Just as long as he's healthy enough to start.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 11, 2006, 03:05:52 PM
he sucks...if anything be mad at andy reid for starting him the last six years
Truth.