Eagles | Team on the list for Lelie; already reportedly turned down one trade
Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:54:43 -0700
John Nalbone, of the Trenton Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles reportedly are on a short list of teams in the running for Denver Broncos holdout WR Ashley Lelie. According to Comcast SportsNet, the Eagles and Chicago Bears are the teams on that list, but the Eagles already have rebuffed the Broncos' first demand, backup TE Matt Schobel.
I guess they are planning a lot of 2 TE sets if they refuse to upgrade the #2 wr by trading their backup te...
I trust Comcast about as much as I did Greg Lewis as the #2 reciever last year.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 14, 2006, 05:02:11 PM
I trust Comcast about as much as I did Greg Lewis as the #2 reciever last year.
ha ha :-D
Greg Lewis caught a TD in the Super Bowl, what else do you want from him? oh yeah, he also has great speed.
schoebel and what? Is that it? Schoebel and a fourth........................DO IT! NOW!
moats23, if you like Moats so much why dont you get a picture of him in your avatar and not Troy Vincent.
Wasn't Schobel just signed as a free agent? If the Broncos wanted him so badly, why not sign him when he was available?
the guy works for the Trenton Times....you can delete this thread now. thanks
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 14, 2006, 06:13:30 PM
Wasn't Schobel just signed as a free agent? If the Broncos wanted him so badly, why not sign him when he was available?
The Eagles actually snagged him fairly early in free agency.
And the Broncos have Tony Scheffler and Stephen Alexander already plus they let Jeb Putzier walk.
Not trading Schobel is good. They run a ton of double tight sets and I do not want to see another year of Stephen Spach trying to immitate an NFL TE.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 14, 2006, 06:20:53 PM
And the Broncos have Tony Scheffler and Stephen Alexander already plus they let Jeb Putzier walk.
Not trading Schobel is good. They run a ton of double tight sets and I do not want to see another year of Stephen Spach trying to immitate an NFL TE.
if Schobel's game play is like what he has shown in camp, he and LJ will have a very busy season (dare I say record-setting?).
I believe that LJ is going to have a big year. He was on pace for a great season last year until McNabb got hurt. And that was with him not beingable to really workout in the off-season because he had that back surgery after the Super Bowl.
And they run so many 2 TE sets and with the WRs not being stud-like, the opportunity is there for both of these guys to put up big numbers.
And McNabb has always liked using his TEs a lot. Not having a true #2 TE last year was a big mistake by Reid and Heckert. Spach sucked.
Thanks, Merrill Reese.
You're welcome, Chris Wheeler.
Something tells me this Matt Schoebel kid is gonna be something special. I just think he fits perfectly in the offense.
He's my TE in a 20 team league I'm in.. cause I got bored middraft since the guy who created the league made 11 individual defender spots...
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 14, 2006, 09:23:59 PM
He's my TE in a 20 team league I'm in.. cause I got bored middraft since the guy who created the league made 11 individual defender spots...
20 teams and 11 defenders?
How many hours did this draft take?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 14, 2006, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 14, 2006, 09:23:59 PM
He's my TE in a 20 team league I'm in.. cause I got bored middraft since the guy who created the league made 11 individual defender spots...
20 teams and 11 defenders?
How many hours did this draft take?
20 teams and 11 defenders? Holy cow! I am dying to see your roster. Who is your backup QB? Tuiasasopo? Timmy Chang?
Eagles wouldnt trade their backup TE for Lelie. Lelie must be awesome.
Quote from: MURP on August 15, 2006, 09:05:40 AM
Eagles wouldnt trade their backup TE for Lelie. Lelie must be awesome.
If that rumor is true, then they obviously don't value Lelie very much.
Then again, Andy Thorn and Stephen Spach have proven to not be NFL-caliber players, so it could simply be a function of creating a bigger hole in the depth chart at TE than the one they're filling at WR.
Gargano said this wasn't true. And we know who his source is - Heckert.
Yeah, but Heckert personally told me at training camp that Lelie would be an Eagle by 6pm that day. that is incredibly accurate!
Quote from: Don Ho on August 15, 2006, 05:10:43 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on August 14, 2006, 10:09:14 PM
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 14, 2006, 09:23:59 PM
He's my TE in a 20 team league I'm in.. cause I got bored middraft since the guy who created the league made 11 individual defender spots...
20 teams and 11 defenders?
How many hours did this draft take?
20 teams and 11 defenders? Holy cow! I am dying to see your roster. Who is your backup QB? Tuiasasopo? Timmy Chang?
qb - vick
wr- chad johnson
wr- donald driver
wr- javonw alker
rb - westbrook
rb 2 - ughhhh lendale white
te - schobel
wr/te - antonio bryant
wr/rb - chris perry
bench - ashley lelie, marcus robinson, bobby ingram
kicker - longwell.. stupid yahoo decided to pick him for me early on even though i had some1 else (not a kicker) in the queue
d-nick barnett
d- o thurmna
db- m adams
db- S. Schweigert
db- F. Thomas
db - J. Webster
dl - shelton quarles
dl - k dansby
dl - k mitchell
dl - a crowell
dl - mike patterson
it was like 3.5 - 4 hrs into the draft when I just abadoned it and let them draft my DBs lol..
did you pick lelie or the computer? For a 20 team league your offense is not bad at all.
Your runningbacks suck. Although since I'm guessing you took Chad Johnson in the first round, getting Westbrook in the second isn't too bad. I guess.
I had the 20th pick... so I ended up losing out on a 2nd rb by taking Chad.
I took Lelie, later on, he was best available...
Throw the Vikings into the mix now that Koren Robinson is back on the sauce.
Apparently Gargano was floating this rumor around today:
Moats, Darwin Walker, and a 2nd day pick
for
Lelie & Tatum Bell
I don't see that happening.
Click the link it comes from philly.com and the thread was started 3 days ago.
No way.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 21, 2006, 07:14:59 PM
Apparently Gargano was floating this rumor around today:
Moats, Darwin Walker, and a 2nd day pick
for
Lelie & Tatum Bell
I don't see that happening.
I listening today and he didn't mention anything like that.
All these rumors seem to be like fat loads of horseshtein. At least this one is interesting.
Moats, Darwin Walker, and a 2nd day pick
for
Lelie & Tatum Bell
I don't see that happening.
that would be a great trade for the eagles
bell for moats = robbery
walker and a 4th for lelie = fair all the way around
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 21, 2006, 07:18:09 PM
Moats, Darwin Walker, and a 2nd day pick
for
Lelie & Tatum Bell
I don't see that happening.
that would be a great trade for the eagles
bell for moats = robbery
walker and a 4th for lelie = fair all the way around
Even fairer--I've read that it's supposed to be a 5th rounder, Walker, and Moats.
Hmmmm
Broncos | Team reportedly interested in R. Moats
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:46:36 -0700
Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Philadelphia Eagles RB Ryan Moats. It was previously reported that the Eagles had interest in Broncos WR Ashley Lelie and the Eagles could part with Moats if they are concerned WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') will be unable to recover from his foot problems.
Do it.
Do it now.
That's almost the equivalent of the AJ Feeley trade.
Moats hasn't proven anything for a straight up trade like that.
I'm only in favor of this trade if we can throw in moats23 as well.
unless lelie bell or both were to make unreasonable demands of the eagles such as big contract extentions or playing time ultimatums then this trade must be completed now...it immediately helps two piss poor spots on the eagles team
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 22, 2006, 03:09:13 AM
Hmmmm
Broncos | Team reportedly interested in R. Moats
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:46:36 -0700
Bob Brookover, of The Philadelphia Inquirer, reports the Denver Broncos are interested in Philadelphia Eagles RB Ryan Moats. It was previously reported that the Eagles had interest in Broncos WR Ashley Lelie and the Eagles could part with Moats if they are concerned WR Todd Pinkston (Achilles') will be unable to recover from his foot problems.
it doesn't say anything about denver giving up bell...i think they'd consider lelie for moats but i doubt they'd include tatum bell.
but if they would... :yay
Get this thing done with the quickness. If they're involving Tatum Bell... do it even quicker.
Lelie for Moats straight up? No way. The last thing this team needs to do is voluntarily give up what little RB depth we already have.
yeah you cant give up moats without getting bell
For the record, I'd do the Walker, Moats, Draft pick for Bell and Lelie deal. But I'd like to emphasize how insanely st0000000000000000pid Moats for Lelie straight up would be.
Now if Denver wants to talk Jevon Walker for Moats on the other hand.........
Yeah, I guess that didn't come out right... :-D
I meant... especially if they're also including Bell... get the trade done. It's early, boys.
yeah...the straight up trade doesn't make sense.
there must be a reason denver is interested in moats...maybe they've given up on bell. ???
they must believe mike bell is the real deal and hes their #1 back of the future...and would like to pair moats up with him as the 3rd down guy...leaving tatum bell expendable
Moats for Lelie, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Moats has shown nothing. Nothing. Everyone wants to talk about his two big runs, great. But outside of those, he didn't do shtein. Yeah, it was with 3rd string OL at that point, but he hasn't proven anything.
As RJS pointed out in another thread, Lelie is a one-trick pony, but it's a need for the offense Reid wants to implement. If Westbrook goes down, Moats won't be picking up the slack any better than Reno or Perry could. I'd do it quick.
If we got Lelie and Bell for Moats, this would be an even bigger joke than Feeley for a 2nd.
Quote from: hunt on August 22, 2006, 08:42:06 AM
yeah...the straight up trade doesn't make sense.
there must be a reason denver is interested in moats...maybe they've given up on bell. ???
That's kinda the way I read it. They must be really down on him... especially since he hasn't jumped back ahead of Mike Bell on the depth chart.
If there's a Lelie/Bell package to be had... the Eagles need to jump on it, for real.
agreed.
bell/lelie for moats/walker/mid round pick would be boneriffic.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 08:44:53 AM
Moats for Lelie, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Moats has shown nothing. Nothing. Everyone wants to talk about his two big runs, great. But outside of those, he didn't do shtein. Yeah, it was with 3rd string OL at that point, but he hasn't proven anything.
Long runs or not... you really can't just scoff at and throw away 5.1 ypc.
Quote from: hunt on August 22, 2006, 08:42:06 AM
yeah...the straight up trade doesn't make sense.
there must be a reason denver is interested in moats...maybe they've given up on bell. ???
Not sure what the deal is with that. I wonder if the Eagles would be able to grab Dayne instead of Bell.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 08:44:53 AM
Moats for Lelie, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Moats has shown nothing. Nothing. Everyone wants to talk about his two big runs, great. But outside of those, he didn't do shtein. Yeah, it was with 3rd string OL at that point, but he hasn't proven anything.
Long runs or not... you really can't just scoff at and throw away 5.1 ypc.
Sure you can. Take away those two runs, and his average was 3.4 ypc. Reno could do that, so could Perry (if he could hold onto the ball). And we need someone to stretch the field. Straight up makes perfect sense.
moats hasnt showed anything but....
the drop off from westbrook to mahe would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the improvement in going from (fill in the wr) to lelie
with a guy as fragile as westbrook you cannot have reno mahe as your #2 back
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 08:45:04 AM
If there's a......package to be had... I.....need to jump on it, for real.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 08:53:17 AM
moats hasnt showed anything but....
the drop off from westbrook to mahe would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the improvement in going from (fill in the wr) to lelie
with a guy as fragile as westbrook you cannot have reno mahe as your #2 back
No kidding. But with Reno as your #3, with Moats at 2, he's gonna be your starter sooner rather than later anyway.
right but to get to mahe now you need two injuries....take moats out of the picture and the birds are the inevitable westbrook injury away from reno mahe being their starter
that is not worth lelie
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 22, 2006, 08:53:45 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 08:45:04 AM
If there's a......package to be had... I.....need to jump on it, for real.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 08:57:29 AM
right but to get to mahe now you need two injuries....take moats out of the picture and the birds are the inevitable westbrook injury away from reno mahe being their starter
that is not worth lelie
but if they sign davis, he & buck could give them a solid 4-5 carries combined before reno becomes the #1 back.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 08:44:53 AM
Moats for Lelie, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Moats has shown nothing. Nothing. Everyone wants to talk about his two big runs, great. But outside of those, he didn't do shtein. Yeah, it was with 3rd string OL at that point, but he hasn't proven anything.
Long runs or not... you really can't just scoff at and throw away 5.1 ypc.
Sure you can. Take away those two runs, and his average was 3.4 ypc. Reno could do that, so could Perry (if he could hold onto the ball). And we need someone to stretch the field. Straight up makes perfect sense.
So essentially, Moats = Mahe?
I guess you have a little more confidence in Mahe than I do.
I'd do the trade in rapid order, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be bummed to see Moats go. I think the kid has some serious potential, but the value would overrule it. Just from the little bit I have seen of Moats on the field, I could see the kid developing into a serious player.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 09:01:53 AM
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That's silly. Your finger ain't white, dook.
better?
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Ha!
Maybe Davis was brought in for a look because the Eagles were pondering sending Moats on his way for Lelie?
Brown
Lelie
Baskett
Gaffney
McCants
Avant
Westbrook
Davis
Buck
Mahe
Westbrook - two series away from getting hurt
Davis - micro fracture surgery recepient (this is the same surgery chris webber had five years ago that has caused him to not be able to move since)
Buck - ummmm
Mahe
moats is needed as a buffer btwn westbrook and mahe....thats a fact
It's not that I have more faith in Mahe, it's that I have little faith in Moats.
Jesus, even IGY is saying Moats could step in for Westbrook without losing a beat. That's bull. The only difference between Moats and Mahe is that Moats will occassionally break one for a big gain/TD. Neither will average over 4 ypc.
even IGY is saying Moats could step in for Westbrook without losing a beat.
link?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 09:32:15 AM
Westbrook - two series away from getting hurt
Davis - micro fracture surgery recepient (this is the same surgery chris webber had five years ago that has caused him to not be able to move since)
Buck - ummmm
Mahe
moats is needed as a buffer btwn westbrook and mahe....thats a fact
I agree with you. I'm not saying it makes sense... just that may have been their thought process.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 09:32:56 AM
It's not that I have more faith in Mahe, it's that I have little faith in Moats.
Jesus, even IGY is saying Moats could step in for Westbrook without losing a beat. That's bull. The only difference between Moats and Mahe is that Moats will occassionally break one for a big gain/TD. Neither will average over 4 ypc.
I don't think anyone is seriously saying that there's not a dropoff from Westbrook to Moats. The deal is that it's a MUCH larger dropoff from Westbrook to Mahe... and given Westbrook's injury history... you gotta think about that.
Westbrook >>>>>> Moats
Westbrook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mahe
what feva said
but he left out....
igy>>>>>>mahe
They should totally get Ron Dayne as part of the deal.
I meant to say that as a joke, and now I'm not so sure I'm kidding.
if the choice is between dayne and tatum bell, i would much rather bell. even though the birds need a 'big back', dayne is just fat and no better through the middle than the guys we have. at least bell has some breakaway speed.
Quote from: phattymatty on August 22, 2006, 09:51:35 AM
if the choice is between dayne and tatum bell, i would much rather bell. even though the birds need a 'big back', dayne is just fat and no better through the middle than the guys we have. at least bell has some breakaway speed.
I absolutely agree.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 08:51:39 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 08:44:53 AM
Moats for Lelie, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Moats has shown nothing. Nothing. Everyone wants to talk about his two big runs, great. But outside of those, he didn't do shtein. Yeah, it was with 3rd string OL at that point, but he hasn't proven anything.
Long runs or not... you really can't just scoff at and throw away 5.1 ypc.
Sure you can. Take away those two runs, and his average was 3.4 ypc. Reno could do that, so could Perry (if he could hold onto the ball). And we need someone to stretch the field. Straight up makes perfect sense.
I've never been a big fan of the whole "take away those carries" argument. It's called an average because that's exactly what it is. An average. If you take away all of McNabb's incompletions/interceptions he'd have a perfect QB rating.
Having taken several statistics courses, I could bore you to near death arguing this point.
The fact is, those were two runs out of 55. If you run a CI analysis, you'd find they lie outside the 95% range, meaning they are aberrations which are just as likely to be due to chance as to a trend.
In analyzing data of this sort, the median (the number at the exact center of all your data points) is a better guage of a trend. I'm not going through all his games to figure out what that is, but I'm betting it's in the 2 to 3 yard range.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 22, 2006, 10:10:28 AM
Having taken several statistics courses, I could bore you to near death arguing this point.
The fact is, those were two runs out of 55. If you run a CI analysis, you'd find they lie outside the 95% range, meaning they are aberrations which are just as likely to be due to chance as to a trend.
In analyzing data of this sort, the median (the number at the exact center of all your data points) is a better guage of a trend. I'm not going through all his games to figure out what that is, but I'm betting it's in the 2 to 3 yard range.
Done.
one could say the same thing about reggie brown...take away two or three long passes vs a sports herniated shawn springs and his stats dont look as good....yet everyone seems to be in love with him
im not defending moats...tons of people overrate him but hes the only thing stopping reno mahe from being a starting rb in the nfl...and reno mahe is a guy everyone can agree shouldnt be in the nfl
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 10:16:42 AM
one could say the same thing about reggie brown...take away two or three long passes vs a sports herniated shawn springs and his stats dont look as good....yet everyone seems to be in love with him
im not defending moats...tons of people overrate him but hes the only thing stopping reno mahe from being a starting rb in the nfl...and reno mahe is a guy everyone can agree shouldnt be in the nfl
Agree with all of this.
moats has some of the big play potential this team would lose if westbrook went down...that's what makes him a good backup for westy. tatum bell also has big play potential so that's why i'd prefer him to dayne even though there's a need for a big back on this team.
if they traded moats & didn't get bell in return, buck would be the closest thing to a gamebreaking rb they would have if westbrook went down...and that's a scary proposition.
Dayne has a bad toe right now also. The kind of BS injury that keeps a player down.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 10:16:42 AM
one could say the same thing about reggie brown...take away two or three long passes vs a sports herniated shawn springs and his stats dont look as good....yet everyone seems to be in love with him
you're just mad because he lit up the Skins. Look at his numbers against the Giants and Cardinals too...
when the season mattered (pre mcnabb dallas meltdown) he had 17 catches in ten games or less than two receptions per game
sorry if i wanna see him enter a season as the #1 wr
put up numbers against the opponents best corner
in games that actually count
before i annoint him the next chad johnson
and during that time, they kept throwing to TO to keep his whiny ass happy. Notice that Reggie's numbers picked up when he became the top option instead of TO...
we all hope reggie brown is great but you can't tell me he's not a question mark...because he is.
And Hank Baskett. And Matt McCoy.
Never said he wasn't, which is why I think they still need another WR, whether it be Lelie or whoever...
and during that time, they kept throwing to TO to keep his whiny ass happy. Notice that Reggie's numbers picked up when he became the top option instead of TO...
lol @ his numbers 'picked up'...they couldnt have went down...he was catching one ball a game
you honestly believe that TO was getting balls because mcnabb was trying to appease him...im sure thats what donovan was doing because they were so close and donovan cared so much about his happiness....im thinking it has a tad bit more to do with the fact that TO was that much better than all the other wr's and was the only one getting open
but perhaps youre right...and with TO not holding reggie back anymore he will blow up this year...only the games will tell whether reggie is a true #1 or not
Maybe TO having his own section in Andy's playbook had something to do with it too.
Nah.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 11:49:16 AM
you honestly believe that TO was getting balls because mcnabb was trying to appease him...
Especially in the early part of the season I thought it was blatantly obvious that McNabb was trying to force too many balls TO's way to make him happy. Once TO got shown the bench Brown stepped up. The whole #1 thing is overblown, I just want to see an effective WR who can occassionally stretch the field.
and why did he have that section
a. because andy felt sorry for him
b. he snuck in novacare one night and replaced reggies section with his own
c. he was better than all the other eagle wr's combined
d. donovan loved him so much he wouldnt play unless TO got a certain amount of balls per game
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 12:04:34 PM
c. he was better than all the other eagle wr's combined
What do I win?
The whole #1 thing is overblown, I just want to see an effective WR who can occassionally stretch the field.
i totally agree with this...when i say #1 wr im saying it in that he will be treated by the opponent as the eagle #1 wr...meaning the top cover guy will be on him...and the questions are a) is reggie prepared to handle that at this point in his nfl career b) will he ever be able to handle that...there are many people out there saying yes to either/both of the questions as if its a no brainer...or because he had six catches against arizona last christmas....i mean come on
if we were here right now talking about reggie being a great #2 wr in this league or reggie will take another step forward this season in his development as an nfl wr then fine...but people need to chill and watch the guy play some real nfl games against real nfl #1 corners before they talk about him being anything more than a solid #2
its not as if im sitting here saying he stinks and hes freddie mitchell part deux...i like the guy and think he has potential...but thats it at this point in his career
What do I win?
an all expenses paid trip to my hyperbolic chamber that youve been trying to visit for so long and a box of turtle wax
Can I take the turtle wax to Trotter's Asian massage car wash for a free undercarriage scrub?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 11:25:29 AM
when the season mattered (pre mcnabb dallas meltdown) he had 17 catches in ten games or less than two receptions per game
sorry if i wanna see him enter a season as the #1 wr
put up numbers against the opponents best corner
in games that actually count
before i annoint him the next chad johnson
I agree with you about your second point. My only thing is you act like the game against the Skins didn't matter to them, and I am curious how you know Springs had a sports hernia during that game? Is this something that has been mentioned before? Also don't discount the fact that maybe just maybe he actually got better the second half of the season.
My only thing is you act like the game against the Skins didn't matter to them, and I am curious how you know Springs had a sports hernia during that game?
Springs Will Miss Three to Six Weeks
taterskins Cornerback Has Surgery for Abdominal Injury, Is Questionable for Opener
Gibbs was unsure if Springs's injury is a variation of an old one. On consecutive plays in the first half last Dec. 11 against Arizona, Springs injured his back and groin. He struggled for the remainder of the season but did not miss a game, playing in consecutive victories against Dallas, the New York Giants and Philadelphia.
But Springs's health was declining. In the playoff-clinching season finale at Philadelphia, Springs aggravated the groin in the second quarter as the Eagles challenged him on three consecutive plays, the last resulting in a touchdown pass to wide receiver Reggie Brown. Springs left the game and did not return.
If I'm the taterskins I'm pissed that he didn't address it during the offseason. Especially since sports hernia is the newest rage in sports injuries. Everybody gets 'em.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 11:49:16 AM
and during that time, they kept throwing to TO to keep his whiny ass happy. Notice that Reggie's numbers picked up when he became the top option instead of TO...
lol @ his numbers 'picked up'...they couldnt have went down...he was catching one ball a game
you honestly believe that TO was getting balls because mcnabb was trying to appease him...im sure thats what donovan was doing because they were so close and donovan cared so much about his happiness....im thinking it has a tad bit more to do with the fact that TO was that much better than all the other wr's and was the only one getting open
but perhaps youre right...and with TO not holding reggie back anymore he will blow up this year...only the games will tell whether reggie is a true #1 or not
Maybe his numbers picked up because he became a
starter once TO left?
You expect a non-starter to be throwing up 6-7 catches a game? With a WR the caliber of TO on the team?
Also... he was a rookie who was learning his way so you can't fault him for needing time to learn the system can you?
As for when the games "mattered"... what happened when T.O. got benched for the first Skins game? Better yet, I guess I should ask Sean Taylor.
Also... he was a rookie who was learning his way so you can't fault him for needing time to learn the system can you?
no i cant
just like i wont fault him this year as he continues to go thru the growing pains of trying to learn how to be a #1 wr in his second nfl season
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 01:00:14 PM
Maybe his numbers picked up because he became a starter once TO left?
You expect a non-starter to be throwing up 6-7 catches a game? With a WR the caliber of TO on the team?
period.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 22, 2006, 01:03:51 PM
no i cant
just like i wont fault him this year as he continues to go thru the growing pains of trying to learn how to be a #1 wr in his second nfl season
Exactly. There is a reasonable middle ground here that you monkeys aren't aknowledging. How can you assume, based on what he did last year, that this year will be anything other than learning experience?
And PG, just stop. To think that that is all there is to say on the subject is idiotic.
I can't speak for everybody... but I don't assume anything. I think I'm there with you on the "middle ground", matter of fact. Thing is... I can understand the reason for optimism with Reggie based off last year, which some seem to want to dismiss as nothing.
I'd be more optimistic if they had ANY kind of #2 receiver to take the pressure off of him.
And don't come at me with this Westbrook and L.J. bullshtein, because we'll occasionally need each of them to stay in the backfield and block, and in Westbrook's case, he will have to run the ball plenty... because it's obvious that the likes of Moats and Perry are not going to get a bulk of carries as Spadaro had some of us believing, briefly.
Blocking? From a RB or TE? Ha! Not on this team.
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Quote from: EagleFeva on August 22, 2006, 02:01:40 PM
I can't speak for everybody... but I don't assume anything. I think I'm there with you on the "middle ground", matter of fact. Thing is... I can understand the reason for optimism with Reggie based off last year, which some seem to want to dismiss as nothing.
Optimism is one thing. But there's a lot of people making absolute comments that Reggie will be the next Chad Johnson. That's what sparked the debate.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 22, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
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Well then his dumb ass better learn to block this season.
Im shocked this thread can go beyond 3 pages over arguing about a guy that has played a half of year in his career as a #1 option in the NFL--basically behind McMahon (think defensively)--not McNabb
is everyone just being too optimistic because hes on the Eagles and this is all we have as a #1? Has he shown you that much promise as a true #1?
If this was another team like say the Cowboys or Giants--would you say their is no doubt he should be a #1--I dont think so.
if reggie brown were the giants best wr thered be a 2006 Point & Laugh at the Giants wide receivers thread
I forget what magazine, but a magazine ranked the top 20 players at each position, maybe 50 not sure, and at WR Burress was 18 and Brown was 17.
One of the WIP hosts (yea I know) did a show around the rankings.
but a magazine ranked the top 20 players at each position, maybe 50 not sure, and at WR Burress was 18 and Brown was 17.
that carries slighty more weight than if you ranked each position
Useless tidbit: Randy Cross said on Sirius NFL Radio that he would take the Eagles WR corps (including tight ends) over "a group like the Falcons have"
Roddy White, Michael Jenkins, and Alge Crumpler
vs.
Reggie Brown, Hank Baskett, and L.J. Smith
I don't know. That's kind of a push.
hahahahahahhaha. I guess I'll take Atlanta's core now.. kind of ironic that this discussion was brought up today.
Well... I hope McNabb ate his Wheaties this season.
This farging sucks.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on August 22, 2006, 10:34:33 PM
hahahahahahhaha. I guess I'll take Atlanta's core now.. kind of ironic that this discussion was brought up today.
No, it's coincidence.
they're fine! totally. at least the line appears capable of giving McNabb 10-15 seconds to find an open reciever this year.
at least the line appears capable of giving McNabb 10-15 seconds to not find an open reciever this year
fixed
thank sweet Jesus they still have their 4th rounder
Quote from: Lil' Miss SunMo on August 23, 2006, 09:11:25 AM
thank sweet Jesus they still have their 4th rounder
Yep... I can't wait to see the the leg on the backup punter they grab with that 4th.
Nah, I hear they found another defensive end at East Bumblefarg University that they are going to concert to outside linebacker and pair with Gocong.
Schobel adjusting to new team (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=53822)
I'd hoped he'd finished the adjustment period already. Darn.
P.S. Love this blurb:
QuoteA big target for McNabb, the 6-foot-5 Schobel has speed to get down the field. Together with L.J. Smith, the pair present a formidable double-threat from the tight end position, especially in two-tight end sets.
Um... duh.
They don't want anyone to worry that they might actually run out of those two TE sets.
I think we need to get more TEs like the Patriots.
Ben Watson
Daniel Graham
David Thomas
Garrett Mills (FB/TE)
Chris Luzar
C'mon man... Spach and Thorn are ready to break out for 10 TD's a piece!
And we already know Parry can easily make the transition to TE. We've all seen his receiving skillz!
I agree Phreak. I wanted them to take Garrett Mills, but good ole Bill B took him first.
Mills was from Tulsa right?
yeah
He's more of an H-Back type. I think I read that somewhere. Holla.
There have been many players in NFL history, although not recently, who have suggested they love the game so much that they would play it for free.
Wide receiver Ashley Lelie, traded from the Denver Broncos to the Atlanta Falcons on Tuesday as part of a three-team swap that also included the Washington taterskins, might go beyond that.
Depending on how Broncos officials resolve various fines and potential penalties pending against Lelie as a result of his decision to boycott all the team's offseason activities, and his failure to report to training camp despite having a contract, the four-year veteran could go into the red for 2006.
And we're not just talking about the primary color in the Falcons' uniforms.
Under the terms of his original contract, signed as a first-round choice in the 2002 draft, Lelie was to have made $700,000 for the 2006 season -- an offseason workout bonus of $100,000 and a $600,000 base salary.
Lelie forfeited the workout bonus, though, when he chose to skip the Broncos' offseason program. He was then fined slightly more than $11,000, the maximum allowed by the collective bargaining agreement, when he was a no-show at Denver's mandatory three-day minicamp July 6-8. And his failure to report to camp drew daily fines of $14,000, totaling $378,000.
In addition, it is believed that the Broncos will seek to recover a prorated share of the $3.3 million signing bonus that Lelie received in 2002. The total for fines and potential penalties accrued by Lelie is close to $1.1 million and, as part of the trade agreement, the wide receiver reportedly signed a document that allows the Broncos to seek that amount.
There is a chance that, finally rid of Lelie, the Broncos might forgive a portion of that amount be or be willing to negotiate a lower figure. To this point, however, Denver officials have not been inclined to do so. Conventional wisdom is that Denver coach Mike Shanahan wants the penalties against Lelie to have some teeth, in part to dissuade other players from adopting a strategy similar to the wideout's failed approach.
What did Lelie's holdout accomplish for him on the field? The boycott was precipitated in part by the Broncos' acquisition of former Green Bay standout Javon Walker and by Lelie's desire to be more than the No. 3 wide receiver on the roster. But with the Falcons, he will be the No. 3 wideout, behind starters Roddy White and Michael Jenkins.
In a statement released by the Falcons on Thursday morning, Lelie, who was expected to participate in his first practice with his new team later in the day said: "I don't even know how to put it into words, that is how excited I am. The most exciting part is that I get to step back on the football field. I've missed it."
If the Broncos penalize Lelie to the maximum, and recover part of his signing bonus, practice time might be the least expensive thing missing for him.
Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2559815
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