This confuses me. I think there are only like 7 players eligible or something like that. the whole point of it seems kind of useless. why can't they just sign with a team as an undrafted free agent?
anyway, I would use a fourth-fifth round pick on Ahmad Brooks.
is that the linebacker from Virginia? if so, I agree, he could take Trotter's place in a year or two.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 13, 2006, 01:00:57 PM
why can't they just sign with a team as an undrafted free agent?
it's part of the agreement that have with the ncaa. otherwise there would be no need for a draft.
i beleive you have to enter the draft at any point before your 24th birthday. these players werent draft eligible for one reason or another in april, but are now, and cannot go back to the NCAA...so to make things equal, you can get drafted now.
if these rules werent here, and player can withhold from the draft and sign anywhere they want.
so they can enter a the supplimental draft, or wait a year. but they have to be drafted or at least be subjected to being drafted. .
Brooks has some serious character issues, so I guess it goes without saying it would be surprising if Reid took him. Unless of course you believe that after the selection of Justice that Reid is open to things of that nature now.
It's for people that still had academic eligibility but can't (won't?) go back to school because of academic or discipline issues. You can't just avoid the regular April draft and sign with someone....basically the "Bernie Kosar" rules...
FOXSports.com did a list of the top 5 best and top 5 worst supplemental picks. The last supplemental picks to make an impact were from 8 years ago (Jamal Williams and Mike Wahle)...
here is some additional background:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/6452668
QuoteSupplemental drafts got started in 1977 when Al Hunter, a running back from Notre Dame, was declared scholastically ineligible to play college football. Essentially, Hunter had nowhere to play except for the NFL. So instead of waiting until the 1978 NFL Draft, the league chose to have an extra draft just for him.
Since then, numerous players have been available in the supplemental draft for a bevy of reasons. Ultimately, if a player was no longer eligible to play on the college level and missed the deadline for the NFL Draft, he could be picked here.
Here's how it worked: The NFL would pull names out of a hat to determine the draft order. They would then go down the list, offering each team the chance to make a selection. A team got the chance every round to make its pick. If a team made a pick, they had to forfeit a pick in the subsequent draft -- the bigger draft with the college players. Sometimes, rounds would go by where nobody made a pick. Sometimes the entire draft would go by without a player being picked.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 13, 2006, 01:05:22 PM
it's part of the agreement that have with the ncaa. otherwise there would be no need for a draft.
i beleive you have to enter the draft at any point before your 24th birthday. these players werent draft eligible for one reason or another in april, but are now, and cannot go back to the NCAA...so to make things equal, you can get drafted now.
if these rules werent here, and player can withhold from the draft and sign anywhere they want.
so they can enter a the supplimental draft, or wait a year. but they have to be drafted or at least be subjected to being drafted. .
i guess that makes sense. i didn't realize that they were people who lost eligibility between the draft and now.
they dont even have had to lose eligibility...its for anyone who wants to declare for the nfl for any reason
eagles took cris carter in the supp draft
BTW, Brooks was kicked out of UVA for failing multiple drug tests for marijuana, and according to Miami.com, he was at 290 two months ago but is down to 260. I don't think there's any chance in hell Reid takes him...
brooks has injury issues as well...id be surprised if anyone took him
I bet the Phins get him with a 3rd, they used one on Wright last year.... :'(
I really can't see him going before the 4th, all things considered. Maybe later.
PFT said Bengals took him with a 3rd rounder.
wow, they really learned their lesson about drafting guys with character issues
yeah really.
PFT is gonna have fun with this one.
Considering their other issues, that's nuts.
Henry, Rucker, Nicholson and Brooks. Marvin Lewis loves headaches, I guess...
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 13, 2006, 01:57:07 PM
wow, they really learned their lesson about drafting guys with character issues
Well, they have veterans like Chris Henry and Odell Thurman to keep Brooks on the straight and narrow.
I think the Bengals should consider changing their name to Mean Machine.
Here's Pastabelly's take on it...
QuoteUpdated: July 13, 2006
Bengals intrigued by Brooks' versatility
Pasquarelli
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
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The Cincinnati Bengals are already under fire for gambling on guys regarded as character risks. So, beyond the issue of why the Bengals would choose another player who has experienced myriad off-field problems, there is a more football-pertinent question about their selection of Ahmad Brooks in Thursday's supplemental draft.
Where are the Bengals going to use Brooks, the former University of Virginia standout linebacker, chosen by Cincinnati in the third round on Thursday afternoon?
"We feel like he can play at any of the [linebacker] positions," said Cincinnati linebackers coach Ricky Hunley, who presided over Brooks' workout for NFL scouts on June 22. "He has that kind of talent."
There is no denying the talent of Brooks, who might have been a first-round selection had he completed his college career without incident and played up to his enormous physical potential. But the Bengals, who invested first- and second-round picks on linebackers in the 2005 draft and have selected six linebackers in the four drafts since coach Marvin Lewis arrived in 2003, already seem fairly deep at the position.
While conceding that coordinator Chuck Bresnahan is seeking more diversity in his front-end alignments and front-seven mixes, Bengals sources have convincingly dismissed offseason suggestions that Cincinnati might switch to a 3-4 defensive scheme. Many teams that closely assessed Brooks regarded him as best-suited to a 3-4 front.
In the Bengals' three-linebacker alignment, the starters are well-defined, with second-year veterans Odell Thurman and David Pollack at the middle and strongside spots, respectively, and underappreciated veteran Brian Simmons on the weak side.
A second-round choice in 2005, Thurman started in 15 of his 16 games as a rookie and led all Cincinnati defenders with 148 tackles. Pollack, the team's first-round selection last year, missed considerable training camp time in a contract dispute, started in five of 14 games and had 35 tackles and 4½ sacks. His progress as a strongside rusher is seen as necessary for the unit to improve in 2006. Simmons, an eight-year veteran, is a mainstay in the Cincinnati lineup, had 102 tackles in 2005 and has averaged 115.6 tackles in the seven seasons in which he was healthy.
The depth chart also includes a pair of two-year veterans, Landon Johnson and Caleb Miller, who have logged plenty of playing time in their brief careers.
One issue to watch as the Bengals enter camp, and which may have entered into their thinking in forfeiting a third-round choice in next April's draft to snatch Brooks in Thursday's supplemental lottery: Thurman's impressive rookie numbers notwithstanding, some felt he was often out of place in 2005 and that he suffered excessive mental lapses. There also have been rumors that the former University of Georgia standout, who had off-field problems in college, could miss some time in camp.
Thurman was not present for Cincinnati's most recent minicamp; in those sessions, Simmons played middle linebacker, with Johnson moving into the lineup at the weakside.
Then again, there might be a much simpler reason for Cincinnati choosing Brooks -- the possibility that he was simply too good to pass on in the supplemental draft. Among his impressive skill set is the ability to rush the quarterback off the edge, as evidenced by 13 sacks and 31 pressures during his 2½ college seasons, and the Bengals need to improve in that area.
Cincinnati registered 28 sacks in 2005; only two defenses had fewer than that. No Bengals player had more than six sacks. The team leader, right end Justin Smith, is entering the final season of his contract and is eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring. The Bengals may feel that Brooks can play some at end and perhaps grow into the position.
Hunley said Thursday that he wants Brooks to report to camp at about 255-260 pounds. After ballooning to about 292 pounds earlier this spring, Brooks measured 6-foot-3 7/8 and weighed 260 pounds at his workout.
In his 31 appearances for the Cavaliers, all starts, Brooks totaled 234 tackles, two interceptions, 14 passes defensed and two forced fumbles. He started 25 games his first two seasons but missed the start of the '05 campaign after undergoing right knee surgery in the spring and played in just six games. He was dismissed from the squad by coach Al Groh after repeated violations of unspecified team rules.
He was arrested twice in 2003 in Prince William County, Va., and charged with speeding and also misdemeanor possession of marijuana. Brooks pleaded no contest to the charges and, as a part of his sentencing, was ordered to undergo drug screenings and evaluations. Because he successfully completed a diversion program, those charges were subsequently dismissed.
Still, his various off-field incidents are likely to subject the Bengals and their draft methods to further scrutiny. In what has already been a tumultuous offseason, second-year wide receiver Chris Henry, a third-round choice in the 2005 draft, was arrested four times in a six-month period. Linebacker A.J. Nicholson, a fifth-round choice in this year's draft, faces robbery charges in Florida.
Not much of a take, really.
I think Odell Thurman is suspended for the first four games of the season. I wonder if that factored in at all.
Those rotating 4-game suspensions are an interesting way to keep your linebacking corps fresh.
Quote from: Zanshin on July 14, 2006, 09:30:31 AM
Those rotating 4-game suspensions are an interesting way to keep your linebacking corps fresh.
Ha! I chuckled.