QuoteAndrews Inked Through 2015
June 12, 2006
By DAVE SPADARO
Offensive lineman Shawn Andrews, a rising star in the NFL, is going to be an Eagle for a long, long time. The team announced on Monday morning that Andrews has signed a contract through the 2015 season, a seven-year extension on his current deal.
A 2 p.m. press conference is scheduled at the NovaCare Complex and you can listen in or watch live during our Eagles Live! show.
Andrews played well last year, and is looking for more in 2006 and beyond
Andrews, the team's No. 1 draft pick in 2004, had four years remaining on his original six-year contract. But the Eagles, as they have done in the past, identified Andrews as a young member of the core, and got the deal done with the right guard over the weekend.
Andrews missed much of his rookie season after suffering a broken ankle in the regular season opener in 2004 against the Giants. He rebounded with an outstanding 2005, earning first alternate status for the NFC Pro Bowl team. Andrews started every game for the Eagles last season and showed what kind of a big-time player he can be.
The Eagles obviously love his ability, and they certainly love the way he has lost 35-plus pounds this off-season.
Andrews is the kind of player the Eagles have targeted for extensions in the past: He is young, with some time remaining on his original contract and he has been identified as one of the players around whom to build for the future.
Projected as a right tackle as a draft-eligible player, but he has settled in at right guard.
well, atleast we know the management thinks he is going to the pro bowl this year. Because the only reason they sign him this early is to save money later on.
Banking the cap money they have left is their M.O. for sure.
If he keeps his weight under control, he could be a dominant force, though. He was a Pro Bowl alternate last year despite being grossly overweight. That says something for him.
hmm....you don't usually see guards locked up for the next 10 years, but OK
I'm a little confused by this. I mean the dude is obviously talented, but he's been hurt and has had serious weight management issues. Why extend him now? It's not like they needed more cap room. I don't know. Whatever. Here's to hoping that he follows through on his potential and keeps his fat ass in check.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
I'm a little confused by this. I mean the dude is obviously talented, but he's been hurt and has had serious weight management issues. Why extend him now? It's not like they needed more cap room. I don't know. Whatever. Here's to hoping that he follows through on his potential and keeps his fat ass in check.
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"Look into my eyes. Repeat after me... You
always need more cap space."
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QuoteThe seven-year extension could be worth up to $40 million. He'll earn $12 million in 2006, and the deal includes between $10 million and $11 million in bonus money.
I can only assume that most of whatever bonus he was given was structured as a roster bonus to hit this year's cap, thus reducing 2006 available cap space and giving more down the line.
I still would like to see Dawkins get his piece of the pie, though.
You're right Ed, they don't pay guards that kinda money. But they do pay tackles big time dough.
Future of the line:
LT - Justice
LG - Manneans
C - Jackson? draft pick?
RG - Jean-Gilles
RT - Andrews
Come get some, bitches.
I still do not understand the desire to move Andrews out to tackle. His size, strength and quickness are perfectly suited to play guard AND they now have Manneans and Justice as potential future tackles. Factor MJG into the equation and I just don't see the need to move Andrews. But shtein, the professional football team that I am in charge of isn't all that great so what do I know?
Well, they are seriously trying to make a guard out of Manneans.
2015? I'll probably be dead by then.
Quote from: MDS on June 12, 2006, 11:16:33 AM
2015? I'll probably be dead by then.
and we pray :evil
good move IMO
now lets get Dawk his due
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
I still do not understand the desire to move Andrews out to tackle. His size, strength and quickness are perfectly suited to play guard AND they now have Manneans and Justice as potential future tackles. Factor MJG into the equation and I just don't see the need to move Andrews.
Damn skippy. I can honestly say that I hope they NEVER are in a position to move Andrews to RT. Just keep his big ass inside and let him dominate. Simple as that.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 11:10:30 AMI still do not understand the desire to move Andrews out to tackle.
Me too. He's the wrong body for the job. Arms too short..no way he can move laterally quick enough to contend with 265lb DEs. I just don't get it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 12, 2006, 11:13:49 AM
Well, they are seriously trying to make a guard out of Manneans.
Great. Turn the natural tackle into a guard and turn the natural guard into a tackle. I'm reminded of
igy's insistence on Reid suffering from a God complex..constantly trying to turn udfa's into all stars, etc.
Glad he's locked up, I guess. Let's see a few years of top notch, no-injury play, please.
Turn the natural tackle into a guard and turn the natural guard into a tackle
baffling isnt it?
i love spads 'rising star in the nfl' comment...pump your brakes nerd
i dont have a problem with this signing tho...locking up a potentially good young player before he actual produces all that much is smart if a little risky...it worked with lito and sheldon so that makes you feel ok with this move
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
I still do not understand the desire to move Andrews out to tackle. His size, strength and quickness are perfectly suited to play guard AND they now have Manneans and Justice as potential future tackles. Factor MJG into the equation and I just don't see the need to move Andrews. But shtein, the professional football team that I am in charge of isn't all that great so what do I know?
Maybe I'm missing something, but where is it written that they plan on moving Andrews to tackle, other than us guys assuming it?
its been talked about by reid and heckert pretty much from the day he was drafted...tho i have not heard them speak on it recently
as someone else mentioned this contract is a sign that he will be moved outside when runyan is done...i cant see them giving that kind of extension to an unproven guy they plan on being a guard...if youre gonna take the risk of giving out all that money then it is most likely going to be for a tackle
The deal, as best, averages out to $4 million a season. This is not tackle money...its good guard money.
Andrews & Jean-Gilles = quadruple whopper w/cheese & all the fixin's.
That takes care of their appetizers... what's on the main course?
Quote from: MDS on June 12, 2006, 11:16:33 AM
2015? I'll probably be dead by then.
Andrews minimum 3 angios by then.
The deal, as best, averages out to $4 million a season
its not about the avg per season...or even whether its guard or tackle money...its about giving an unproven player 12 million guaranteed...thats only 4 mil less than hutchinson got and hes easily the best guard in the nfl...and if they are gonna go that far for him i have to believe they think hes their tackle of the future...not their guard of the future
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2006, 12:23:52 PM
if they are gonna go that far for him i have to believe they think hes their tackle of the future...not their guard of the future
Yep.
And don't bitch about him getting too much money. That would be hypocritical of you.
And don't bitch about him getting too much money. That would be hypocritical of you.
i dont have a problem with this signing tho...locking up a potentially good young player before he actual produces all that much is smart if a little risky...it worked with lito and sheldon so that makes you feel ok with this move
RIF
and anyway altho i dont care about money or the cap...i could have a problem giving a ton of money to an unproven player...if they throw this kind of money around in free agency where youre generally dealing with proven players i would never have a problem overpaying there
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2006, 12:23:52 PM
its not about the avg per season...or even whether its guard or tackle money...its about giving an unproven player 12 million guaranteed...thats only 4 mil less than hutchinson got and hes easily the best guard in the nfl...and if they are gonna go that far for him i have to believe they think hes their tackle of the future...not their guard of the future
It IS about the average per season in some circumstances, especially when the contact is front-loaded like this one. In contrast, TO's contract was back-loaded so the average per season number was meaningless. The $12 million guaranteed (as someone previously mentioned) is clearly a cap play, and probably a smart one.
Hutch's APS is $7 million and Andrews is $4 million...very differenent numbers and both were front loaded.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2006, 12:28:08 PM
and anyway altho i dont care about money or the cap...i could have a problem giving a ton of money to an unproven player...if they throw this kind of money around in free agency where youre generally dealing with proven players i would never have a problem overpaying there
That's a fat load of B.S. coming from you. You have complained about the Eagles not giving similar money to a player proven to only be averagish or slightly better in free agency (Randle-El, for example). So, a young guy like Andrews with an extremely bright future is no worse of an investment of money than a "proven" gadget WR, right? Plus, you're on the record as saying that the money shouldn't matter to us fans either way, so you should just be glad they saw a guy they wanted to retain for a long time and did so.
yeah and i said i like the andrews signing...not sure what your point is...youre reaching big time and its not pretty
I'm not reaching at all. Stop qualifying your opinion. You like the signing, so don't question the money.
i never once questioned the money...i said imo it proves they intend for him to be a tackle
It's all been a pack of lies.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
I still do not understand the desire to move Andrews out to tackle. His size, strength and quickness are perfectly suited to play guard AND they now have Manneans and Justice as potential future tackles. Factor MJG into the equation and I just don't see the need to move Andrews. But shtein, the professional football team that I am in charge of isn't all that great so what do I know?
Bingo.
He stays inside. Moving him outside, even at 335-345 is a bad move. Let him kill people at RG.
Now they just need to get Dawk and Lewis signed and we're good as far as extensions go. Maybe Gaffney later on in the year if he proves his worth.
im not sure lewis is worthy of one...at least not one worth any kind of money...
and lol at gaffney...theres dozens of wr's out there in any given year as good as him and there are many better....he might not even be in the top three best wr's on this team...i mean he probably is...but putting him and extension in the same sentence is silly
If L.J. blows up and has a monster season, he'll be walking after his contract expires.
Of course, finding a decent pass-catching tight end isn't all that difficult, so they might just let him take a stroll anyway.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2006, 01:48:36 PM
im not sure lewis is worthy of one...at least not one worth any kind of money...
and lol at gaffney...theres dozens of wr's out there in any given year as good as him and there are many better....he might not even be in the top three best wr's on this team...i mean he probably is...but putting him and extension in the same sentence is silly
I ain't talkin about no big time deal for Gaffney.
But if he plays well giving him a modest extension wouldn't be that bad.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 12, 2006, 01:52:53 PM
If L.J. blows up and has a monster season, he'll be walking after his contract expires.
Of course, finding a decent pass-catching tight end isn't all that difficult, so they might just let him take a stroll anyway.
Dude...we've got The Schoboat!
yeah i can live with that...if he proves to be a very good possesion type wr...i just think thats one of the last things on the list of player moves they should be thinking about...especially before hes ever even played a down for them
as for lj rome pass catching te are a dime a dozen but playmaking te's are not and lj can be that player...his chance to blow up is this year if mcnabb is healthy...hes been in the league plenty long enough and doesnt have TO to take balls from him this year...i think hes due for a big season and a nice extension along with it
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2006, 02:03:35 PM
yeah i can live with that...if he proves to be a very good possesion type wr...i just think thats one of the last things on the list of player moves they should be thinking about...especially before hes ever even played a down for them
as for lj rome pass catching te are a dime a dozen but playmaking te's are not and lj can be that player...his chance to blow up is this year if mcnabb is healthy...hes been in the league plenty long enough and doesnt have TO to take balls from him this year...i think hes due for a big season and a nice extension along with it
Thats what I'm talking about - later in the year when the deadline is near to use 2006 money. If he is a solid possession guy, I can live with him getting an average contract.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2006, 02:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 12, 2006, 01:52:53 PM
If L.J. blows up and has a monster season, he'll be walking after his contract expires.
Of course, finding a decent pass-catching tight end isn't all that difficult, so they might just let him take a stroll anyway.
Dude...we've got The Schoboat!
Fair grade. 7 out of 10 on the :yay scale.
As for L.J., his woeful run-blocking skills will never allow him to be an elite TE in the league. If he finally learns how to be a consistent contributor instead of catching 8 balls one week and then 2 the next, then yeah, he should be in line for a nice extension. Not a great one, but a certainly good one.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 12, 2006, 01:48:36 PMim not sure lewis is worthy of one...at least not one worth any kind of money...
Get Roy Williams? :P
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 12, 2006, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 12, 2006, 02:00:18 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 12, 2006, 01:52:53 PM
If L.J. blows up and has a monster season, he'll be walking after his contract expires.
Of course, finding a decent pass-catching tight end isn't all that difficult, so they might just let him take a stroll anyway.
Dude...we've got The Schoboat!
Fair grade. 7 out of 10 on the :yay scale.
As for L.J., his woeful run-blocking skills will never allow him to be an elite TE in the league. If he finally learns how to be a consistent contributor instead of catching 8 balls one week and then 2 the next, then yeah, he should be in line for a nice extension. Not a great one, but a certainly good one.
I think you have to revise what you think an elite TE is these days... Very few guys in this whole new crop of pass catching TEs can block. If he goes out and catches 70+ to 80+ balls and 6-8 TDs, he's an elite TE regardless of his blocking.
Gates is as elite as they come at TE and he can't block a lick
That's assinine. If an offensive tackle can only run-block but not pass-block, is he elite? If a TE can only do half of his job well, he isn't elite.
TEs have two jobs. Block and catch. Gates can't block for shtein but he's probably the fastest TE in the league and the best receiver of the group. He's basically a receiver b/c they don't even ask him to block much.
Either way, LJ isn't at the level where he is so good at being a receiver that you can overlook his awful blocking so the comparison is silly.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 02:38:14 PM
That's assinine. If an offensive tackle can only run-block but not pass-block, is he elite? If a TE can only do half of his job well, he isn't elite.
then there are no elite TE's in the game by your definition.
I'm fine with that assessment.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 02:40:21 PM
Either way, LJ isn't at the level where he is so good at being a receiver that you can overlook his awful blocking so the comparison is silly.
i wasn't comparing the two. only disputing the original claim and at TE can't be elite unless he can block well.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 02:41:56 PM
I'm fine with that assessment.
your assessment is fine...especially in those jeans.
L.J. isn't even an elite pass-catching tight end at this point.
He's a good player but he's far from being Tony Gonzalez.
And his blocking skills are pretty atrocious too. That hasn't really mattered much because the Eagles never gave much thought to running the ball in the past but if that's going to change, then his shortcomings in that department will become pretty glaring pretty soon.
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 02:40:21 PM
TEs have two jobs. Block and catch. Gates can't block for shtein but he's probably the fastest TE in the league and the best receiver of the group. He's basically a receiver b/c they don't even ask him to block much.
Either way, LJ isn't at the level where he is so good at being a receiver that you can overlook his awful blocking so the comparison is silly.
You're not being a very good sponsor for L.J.
I will happily 'sponsor' LJ again this year, but make no mistake, I would just as happily wave goodbye to him if this team could find a TE who was slightly less capable as a receiver but adequate as a blocker.
Is Kyle Brady available?!? :crazy
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 02:40:21 PM
TEs have two jobs. Block and catch. Gates can't block for shtein but he's probably the fastest TE in the league and the best receiver of the group. He's basically a receiver b/c they don't even ask him to block much.
Either way, LJ isn't at the level where he is so good at being a receiver that you can overlook his awful blocking so the comparison is silly.
TEs
had 2 jobs. The position has started to evolve away from that though. Alot of these guys are basically just an extra reciever on the field. The NFL is at the point where you have a tight end and then a "blocking tight end".
Remember when the fullback used to have to be able to carry the ball? The position evolved away from that...
I'm incredibly happy with this extension. That means my black Andrews jersey is good for another 9 years. :yay
Quote from: General_Failure on June 12, 2006, 03:42:19 PM
I'm incredibly happy with this extension. That means my black Andrews jersey is good for another 9 years. :yay
even better is that it's #73 (RIP Herb!)
Quote from: BigEd76 on June 12, 2006, 10:33:45 AM
hmm....you don\'t usually see guards locked up for the next 10 years, but OK
Larry Allen worked out okay in Dallas.
Just watched the press conference. Scintillating as always. :snore:
Andrews does seem like a good kid, though. Good for him. :yay
Quote from: rjs246 on June 12, 2006, 02:40:21 PM
TEs have two jobs. Block and catch. Gates can't block for shtein but he's probably the fastest TE in the league and the best receiver of the group. He's basically a receiver b/c they don't even ask him to block much.
Either way, LJ isn't at the level where he is so good at being a receiver that you can overlook his awful blocking so the comparison is silly.
That fastest TE label died the second Vernon Davis was drafted. Gates is the best TE though until proven otherwise.
To me LJ just needs to hang on to the ball. He's very good at getting open, but he just needs to hang on to the ball.
Andrews will be a guard in this league for the rest of his career, book it. And if he's going to be as good as the Eagles think he is they just made themselves a great deal.
He will soon be blocking the other teams three best pass rushers on every play, I'm sure.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 12, 2006, 04:29:41 PM
He will soon be blocking the other teams three best pass rushers on every play, I'm sure.
If it's only three, I'll be disappointed.
For that kind of money he should block the LOLB, MLB, LDE and the LDT. He should also be our short yardage back and emergency punter!!1
poor ! : 1 ratio...bad form sir.
Shut up.
your mom
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 12, 2006, 04:13:05 PM
That fastest TE label died the second Vernon Davis was drafted. Gates is the best TE though until proven otherwise.
To me LJ just needs to hang on to the ball. He's very good at getting open, but he just needs to hang on to the ball.
So, in closing, he should hold on to the ball?
Wait, is someone insinuating that LJ has a fumbling problem? Huh. How bout that.
Tony Gonzaga is teh best TE still in the NFL.
Inquirer article (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14803663.htm)
Quote"When I first came back to the team and I was running with the second-team [defense]... I gave him everything I got," Trotter said. "I had to walk around with an ice pack on my back for the next two or three days. Don't get me wrong, he felt it, too. But that's a big cat."
Andrews returned from his injury after his rookie season significantly overweight last season, but he still played well enough to earn a spot as the first alternate for the Pro Bowl.
"He's good," Trotter said. "I said it when he first came in that he has a lot of potential. I said then that he has a chance to be a Larry Allen [the former Dallas Cowboys star]... if he kept himself in shape."
QuoteThen, two of the elite interior offensive linemen in the game - LeCharles Bentley and Steve Hutchinson - signed free-agent deals with Cleveland and Minnesota, respectively, and that gave the Eagles and Andrews a measuring stick for his worth.
So the Eagles essentially took what they were prepared to give Bentley and gave it to Andrews. Obviously all signings like this are a risk, but the Eagles have a good track record of doing this.
And locking him up early helps down the road.
Bentley and Hutchinson cashed in. Their deals were step ups from what the Lions gave Damien Woody a couple of years ago. And we know that the markets continue to go up, so locking him up early is smart.
Bentley would have gotten even more than this, IMO... but sure.
Forget the Tackle or Guard talk. Clearly, they're giving him "big back" money.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 13, 2006, 03:50:50 AM
Inquirer article (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14803663.htm)
Quote
"When I first came back to the team and I was running with the second-team [defense]... I gave him everything I got," Trotter said. "I had to walk around with an ice pack on my back for the next two or three days. Don't get me wrong, he felt it, too. But that's a big cat."
thats awesome. :yay
Andrews just made more money for losing weight than anyone on earth. holler.
Either the most or a close second to Jared from Subway.
Quote from: MURP on June 13, 2006, 09:24:17 AM
Andrews just made more money for losing weight than anyone on earth. holler.
What about Jared? That useless farg has made millions and is now a lucrative motivational speaker. Plus I think he was in a movie or two. farging christ. Makes me want to gain 200 pounds and lose it by eating nothing but chicken nuggets.
2nd place is for losers
You can probably throw Richard Simmons into that argument as well.
Either way, none of them are going hungry soon . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
or are they???
You've all missed the painfully obvious: Anorexic Hollywood wimmin.
1 New & Improved Shawn = 4 wimmin
Quote from: rjs246 on June 13, 2006, 09:28:46 AM
Quote from: MURP on June 13, 2006, 09:24:17 AM
Andrews just made more money for losing weight than anyone on earth. holler.
What about Jared? That useless farg has made millions and is now a lucrative motivational speaker. Plus I think he was in a movie or two. farging christ. Makes me want to gain 200 pounds and lose it by eating nothing but chicken nuggets.
One of the biggest scams in the fast food retail market.
Jared could of chose any kind of food group he wanted, stuck with just that and lost the weight. When your that big and you just start to cut down on your caloric intake and meals per day, the weight sheds off like butter. The fact they are promoting sanwhiches- which have not a lick of nutrional value and entrenched in SAT FAT--as a healthy means to cut weight is embarrassing.
Almost all of Subways sanwhiches have more calories and fat than a mickey D's quarterpounder, whopper jr, wendys jr bacon, taco supreme, etc. Ill take the burgers all day every day if Im 400+ pounds. Get rich Subway..go head
Oh, I like the Shawn Andrews signing
Almost all of Subways sanwhiches have more calories and fat than a mickey D's quarterpounder, whopper jr, wendys jr bacon, taco supreme, etc. Ill take the burgers all day every day if Im 400+ pounds.
thats absolutely 100% incorrect
And on top of that, Subway sammiches taste like the inside of a horses rectum.
http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/fast%20food%20calorie%20table.pdf
take a look kiddo and youll see my point
they have well over 20 different sandwiches subs or wraps that have less fat than a quarter pounder w/ cheese
maybe I shouldnt say "all" sorry... but quite a damn few. Ill take a burger thank you
id rather have the hamburger as well...other than the seafood and crab subway is inedbile...but on average subway is much better for you than the normal fast food johnson
So I should cop a double butter joint with cheese and bacon for lunch today?
Quote from: General_Failure on June 13, 2006, 01:12:32 PM
So I should cop a double butter joint with cheese and bacon for lunch today?
Run, don't walk.
So I should cop a double butter joint with cheese and bacon for lunch today?
do you even have to ask?
Quote from: General_Failure on June 13, 2006, 01:12:32 PM
So I should cop a double butter joint with cheese and bacon for lunch today?
What is that? It sounds like the sandwich I have been waiting my whole life for.
Pastabelly on Andrews' deal. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2497649)
QuoteUnder team president Joe Banner, the Philadelphia Eagles have been doing business like this, extending the deals of young "core" players, for years. And it is a major element of the Eagles' success.
It all starts with good scouting, of course, and under the stewardship of general manager Tom Heckert, the Philadelphia personnel department is among the NFL's elite. So is the coaching staff that Andy Reid has assembled, and so players typically are developed without being rushed into the lineup. But the Eagles have taken things a step beyond, and are remarkably adept at identifying key players very early into their careers, and at signing them to extensions, sometimes several years before their original contracts expire.
Rarely have such "early" deals backfired on Banner and the Eagles.
Philadelphia struck again last week in signing third-year guard Shawn Andrews, the team's first-round choice in the 2004 draft, to an extension through the 2015 season. There certainly was no urgency to do so. Even though Andrews voided the final season of his original six-year deal he signed as a rookie, he was still under contract through 2008. But the Eagles, who always seem to have $10 million-$12 million of available cap space, had money to spend, as usual. And despite his past weight problems, the Eagles regard Andrews as a cornerstone for their line in the long-term and a future Pro Bowl performer who eventually might move outside to tackle.
As part of the extension, the Eagles rewarded Andrews with a $5 million signing bonus and a $5 million roster bonus, meaning he'll earn $10 million more than the $600,000 in base salary that he was scheduled to bank this season. And the Eagles will carry a salary cap charge for Andrews of $7.779 million.
But consider this: That is the highest salary cap charge for any season of the contract. In 2007, the charge drops to $4.71 million, and then after that, it dips under $4 million until 2013. And the cap charge doesn't rise to over $5 million until the penultimate year of the contract, in 2014. By then, of course, the odds are that the two sides will have reworked the contract. But for a long time, the Eagles will enjoy short salary cap charges for a young player they regard highly.
The Eagles will pay Andrews base salaries of $2 million or less until 2011 and of less than $3 million until the 2013 season.