the state of virginia is planning to execute percy walton tonight at 9 pm
walton has an iq of 66....
dook killed 3 people in 1997 and plead guilty without any judgment or test on his mental competency....
dook doesnt know what it means to die....he believes his execution will bring his victims back to life and possibly lead to a television appearance and a job at burger king....really
the daughter of two of the victims....barbara case....does not believe in the death penalty and had this to say:
"if right now he is insane and he doesnt know right from wrong and he doesnt know diddly squat...what purpose would it serve?....id get no satisfaction out of watching him die"
virginias governor tim kaine has spoken out against the death penalty in accordance with his catholic faith....kaine cowardly ignored his own moral convictions in refusing clemency to dexter lee vinson....who was executed in april....kaine is reviewing percy waltons case today....
why not write the govener a brief email asking him to commute waltons sentence to life in prison.....tell him you think its cruel.....morally indefensible and completely unproductive to execute a mentally challenged cat....
picture percy walton tonight....strapped to the table....with an iv full of poison in his arm and a smile on his face....thinking about his new job at burger king.....
think about percy waltons comments on his execution....that it will bring his victims back to life.....its the logic of a child but at the same time it's completely logical....why would they be executing him if not to bring the victims back to life...what would be the justification otherwise....
story
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/07/AR2006060702201_pf.html
gov kaine
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutTheGovernor/contactGovernor.cfm
thank you
when's the draft?
sorry can someone move this to the general board
sweet...execution contests! :poison
$10 says he doesn't go down until 9:04.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 08, 2006, 09:41:09 AM
$10 says he doesn't go down until 9:04.
No way dude. He's got retard strength. He'll be kicking until at least 7 after.
maybe you shouldnt have every part of the board bookmarked captain IGY.
i unknowingly had the fantasy board bookmarked (for some reason) and had it last on the list the spot normally taken by the general board
holla
Capital punishment has no place in a democracy.
Quote from: Diomedes on June 08, 2006, 11:23:44 AM
Capital punishment has no place in a democracy.
why? why should someone who kills someone else be allowed to live?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2006, 10:58:32 AM
i unknowingly had the fantasy board bookmarked (for some reason)
holla
golf what.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 08, 2006, 11:25:28 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on June 08, 2006, 11:23:44 AM
Capital punishment has no place in a democracy.
why? why should someone who kills someone else be allowed to live?
Mostly because 1 person wrongly convinced and executed of a murder they didn't commit is too many.
i agree. i'm not saying it should happen while the victim's body is still warm. but there is a place for it in a functioning society.
The idea of the death penalty in a perfect justice system is fine. But I think that America's justice system is far from it, so nothing should ever be done that can't be undone.
this seriously is effed up though. the dude thinks that he's going to get a motorcycle ride to burger king if he gets executed. i don't see the point of putting him down if he's not even aware what's happening. how is that justice to anyone?
Quote from: phattymatty on June 08, 2006, 11:44:42 AM
the dude thinks that he's going to get a motorcycle ride to burger king if he gets executed.
you'll feel silly when that happens
this seriously is effed up though
even if he is spared and i believe he will be....its still amazing how its even made it this far
im against the death penalty across the board...but even if youre a supporter you gotta say to yourself good god what is going on when you kill someone like this....enough is enough
I think Texas convicted and executed a 'mentally challenged' person a few years back. They are leading the way aren't they...
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 08, 2006, 11:32:27 AM
i agree. i'm not saying it should happen while the victim's body is still warm. but there is a place for it in a functioning society.
In a functioning theocracy, sure. In a functioning dictatorship, sure. In a democracy, no.
It's never okay for the government of a democracy to execute a citizen. You cannot say that the citizens control the government AND that the government can kill citizens (under ANY circumstance). The two are mutually exclusive.
If you want captial punishment, then you don't really want democracy.
by another tack:
The reason we have juries is because we recognize that an injured party cannot fairly mete out justice. That's a human fact. It is also a fact that, though governments mete out justice more fairly than mobs or injured parties, even the best governments get it wrong. So, in the same way civilized societies agree that it's wise not to allow injured parties to deliver justice, civilized societies also agree that it would be best for everyone if the government policy does not deal death.
But you are tried by your peers and a jury decides if you get death. Not the judge or government. Doesn't make it right or wrong. Just saying...
You've described only the particular apparatus by which the killing is arranged. That system--jury trial, jury death penalty sentence--operates only because the government allows capital punishment. It is the government that kills the citizen, not the jury. They're just playing a role in the government's killing routine.
I see what your saying, just not buying. There are lots of strange paths that this logic brings the argument too. No need to go there as I don't feel that strongly about being pro death penalty.
I do think the criminal justice system in general needs a good overhaul, just don't know what needs to be done as I'm just some shmo with a 'puter...
Virginia Governor Delays Walton Execution
RICHMOND, Va. -- Gov. Timothy M. Kaine on Thursday delayed the execution of a triple killer just over an hour before he was scheduled to be put to death amid claims he is mentally retarded and insane.
Kaine's decision came moments after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a request for a stay of execution.
Percy Walton, 27, had been scheduled to die by injection at 9 p.m. at the Greensville Correctional Center for the 1996 murders of three neighbors in Danville.
Kaine delayed the execution for six months to allow for an independent evaluation of Walton's mental condition and competence.
"It would be imprudent to either proceed with the execution or grant clemency without further review," Kaine said.
Under the governor's action, Walton's execution will be delayed until Dec. 8.
The Supreme Court has ruled it unconstitutional to execute the insane and mentally retarded, but left it up to the states to define retardation. In their petition to the high court, Walton's attorneys argued that Walton is suffering from schizophrenia and is incapable of understanding the concept of death, therefore making him ineligible for execution. In a clemency petition to Kaine, they also argued that Walton is mentally retarded.
The Virginia attorney general's office has argued that intelligence scores taken when Walton was 17 and 18 place him above the accepted range for mental retardation, though other evaluations were conflicting. They also refute Walton's claims that he is insane.
Walton pleaded guilty in 1997 to the murders of Jessie and Elizabeth Kendrick, a couple in their 80s, and 33-year-old Archie Moore. The victims were robbed and shot in the head; Moore's body was found stuffed in a closet, his corpse doused in cologne.
Elizabeth Kendrick's sister, 85-year-old Irene Jurscaga, said she thinks Walton is faking his behavior in order to save his own life. She had planned to witness the execution.
"He must be taken out of society," Jurscaga said, sobbing. "He was sane. He was just on a rampage."
But the Kendricks' daughter, Barbara Case, 68, of Brandon, Miss., said she has forgiven Walton for murdering her parents and is ambivalent about his fate.
"I'd be just as happy if he spent the rest of his life locked up thinking about what he did each and every day," she said.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 08, 2006, 09:54:30 PM
Virginia Governor Delays Walton Execution, Craved for a Whopper
:-D
Well at least he doesn't rot in jail for the rest of his life and rape poor young white guys
Christ his name is Percy, Put him down....mEh
You guys should try British justice on for size. They let hundreds of murderers, kidnappers, rapists, and paedophiles go free after minimum sentencing.
Hit and run drivers tha kill their victims? Try 6 months in prison, if that.
Paedophiles who rape their victims and torture them--maybe 2 years.
See over here, where most of the judges are senile old idiots, they pass the sentences, and the Home Secretary (sort of like Dept of Justice) reviews the sentences. Even though he's in charge of the law enforcement in the country, he DOES NOT have the power to lengthen sentences, which I find amazing.
There were only three high profile cases where murderers got a "life" sentence:
The Moors murders. This happened back in the 60s. Ian Brady and Myra Hindley would lure children into their car and then torture them and kill them. She got life in prison and recently died; he's serving life in a secure mental institution.
Roy Whiting was convicted in 2001 of kidnapping 8 year old Sarah Payne, raping her and murdering her. He got a life sentence, with actual time served to be about 30 years.
Ian Huntley lured two girls to his house, raped one, murdered both, and then burned their bodies beyond recognition. He got a life sentence with the minmum required time spent in prison at 40 years.
Quote from: Phanatic on June 08, 2006, 11:58:48 AM
I think Texas convicted and executed a 'mentally challenged' person a few years back. They are leading the way aren't they...
Texas ad Florida lead the way.
I used to work on Texas Death Row and I support the Death Penalty. But I agree that the justice system needs some refining. Many of those iceholes deserve to die. Don't let what you read, and I'm not saying you personally, fool you. There are some real shteinbags on DR.
Remember those three white guys who chained up James Byrd to the back of their pickup in Jasper Texas in 1998 and dragged him until his head fell off? Two got the death penalty. James William King is one of the most despicable human beings I have ever run across. To say he is racist is an understatement. He was a total piece of trash. And his boy, Lawrence Brewer cried like a baby when he was first put on the row. He was a tough guy in the LT's office but when he was finally taken to his cell, he cried for his momma for two days.
Should a guy who axed his girlfriend TWENTY SIX TIMES deserve to die? You bet your ass he does. Why did he ax her? Because he wanted drug money to feed him habit. What about a guy who killed a kid and then crammed a baseball bat up his ass? Oh yeah, give him the needle too.
Retarded people and kids should not die though. Many guys in TX were spared when the Supreme Court said no one under 18 could get the juice.
A lot of people oppose the death penalty. That's fine. We all have our opinions. But if you strongly are against it, I only wish you could see these people up close and personal. See what they did. See how they are.
This board has a little too much reality of late. Damn!!
People like the ones you describe are why I still support the death penalty. My confidence in the system to carry out justice the right way is why I have my doubts. Tough line to walk.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 09, 2006, 03:51:11 AM
Should a guy who axed his girlfriend TWENTY SIX TIMES deserve to die? You bet your ass he does.
WELL?! what did he ax her?
Look, if you nag a man about his habits too much, you get the axe. I don't see what the big deal is.
and if you don't put the lotion in the basket, you get the hose. the facts of life here people.
Back when I was in school in Philly, we got to sit in on a "court preparation" with the assistant DA and the coroner. A guy came home and found his wife banging another guy. So he shot her over 20 times --- with a bow and arrows. They had pictures. After we left, I couldn't stop laughing about it.
then you went home and kicked your dog too?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on June 09, 2006, 11:35:38 AM
Back when I was in school in Philly, we got to sit in on a "court preparation" with the assistant DA and the coroner. A guy came home and found his wife banging another guy. So he shot her over 20 times --- with a bow and arrows. They had pictures. After we left, I couldn't stop laughing about it.
That's intense. And rather awesome.
Hard to argue crime of passion there. I'd think some where in the teens, when your arms are getting tired, you have to start cooling off a little, right?
I'd like to point out that if somehow, someway I do something so dastardly, so vicious, so wicked and immoral, and there is a chance I could be sentenced to death, I'll choose poison in the arm over life in prison everyday of the week. I don't want to have to live through a life of incarceration. Give me the few minutes of fear rather than a life of being a prisoner.
I fear prison a hell of a lot more than I fear death.
That's the beauty of it. These guys get 20 years of waiting on death row before it actually happens...
I have been watching that Dateline show on NBC. The one where the predators are talked to online and showup at houses where the parents are out and a child is supposedly waiting. Anyway, I am in favor of the death penalty and feel these guys should take a bullet in the temple immediately, right on TV. Why not? You have them on video. You know they will do it again. Just kill them right there. That is the only way you can guarantee that they won\'t do it.
That sixth grade teacher dude has some serious issues.
I'm sure they'll all be worked out in prison.
One other thing that needs to be said...
Like in the other thread, you never hear about the other side of the people who accept what they did and accept the punishment.
I remember the first time I had to escort an inmate from Ellis Death Row (DR is now in Livingston at the Pollunksy Unit, by the way) to The Walls Unit. The Walls is where they perform the executions. The inmate who was going to die that day had killed a police officer. He shot him in the face and head several times.
I had to ride in the back on the van with him. And after he politely asked me to slide over so if he vomited it wouldn't strike me (he hadn't been in a car in 16 years and was getting motion sickness) told me that he was glad the day had come. He was ready to pay his price and move on. He said he was sorry for what he did but sorry would not bring back that officer to his family. He understand that he deserved to die.
The worst part of working on DR was the day an inmate was scheduled to die. He got his final visit with his family from 0800-1200. And at 1200 one of us had to go into the visiting room and take him from the cage, handcuff him and remove him from the room. They were not allowed contact visits. It was them in a cage behind the glass and the family on the other side.
When the family would see us coming the screams, sobs and sheer terror was tough to deal with. Especially when there was kids there.
Wouldn\'t it make more sense to use Country Joe Stalins method?
Quote from: stalker on June 10, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
Wouldn\'t it make more sense to use Country Joe Stalins method?
Only if we can start with you.
Quote from: stalker on June 10, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
Wouldn\'t it make more sense to use Country Joe Stalins method?
Will he be singing the "Fixin' to Die Rag?"
[russian]And it's a one two three
What am I dyin' for?
Don't tell me I don't give a damn.
Next stop is the gallows, man.[/russian]
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 11, 2006, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: stalker on June 10, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
Wouldn\\\'t it make more sense to use Country Joe Stalins method?
Only if we can start with you.
I have never broken a law Sargent Silly, so I wouldn\'t be executed. I was referring to guys caught on videotape. No gallows, just a quick bullet in the temple. Get it done. No budget to house or feed them, just the cost of one bullet.
And Geo, I think you are referring to Country Joe MacDonald.
Quote from: stalker on June 11, 2006, 12:21:09 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on June 11, 2006, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: stalker on June 10, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
Wouldn\\\'t it make more sense to use Country Joe Stalins method?
Only if we can start with you.
I have never broken a law Sargent Silly, so I wouldn\'t be executed. I was referring to guys caught on videotape. No gallows, just a quick bullet in the temple. Get it done. No budget to house or feed them, just the cost of one bullet.
And Geo, I think you are referring to Country Joe MacDonald.
Really? I never would have know that without your help, Comrade Kommissar.
Quote from: stalker on June 09, 2006, 02:21:58 PM
I have been watching that Dateline show on NBC. The one where the predators are talked to online and showup at houses where the parents are out and a child is supposedly waiting. Anyway, I am in favor of the death penalty and feel these guys should take a bullet in the temple immediately, right on TV. Why not? You have them on video. You know they will do it again. Just kill them right there. That is the only way you can guarantee that they won\'t do it.
Without going into much detail, I worked in fairly close proximity to one of the guys that was caught on that show. It was the one they did in the DC Metro area, one of the first shows. I worked in the same office space with the guy, and talked to him on a fairly regular basis. I got transferred to another location, but on the same contract, with the same customer. About two months later I here he was whisked away someplace, for some unknown reason. Later, someone actually sees the guy on the show. Scary shtein. He was by all appearances a normal guy, talked about sports and politics, etc, and never showed any signs of being "off" a bit. Most farged up bit, was that he had recently become a father of a baby girl, thirteen years the junior of the girl he showed up to molest on the Dateline show.
I have watched those Dateline shows (titled "To Catch a Predator" I believe) whenever I catch them on, and while I am not a proponent of the death penalty, it is hard not to wish someone would shoot these guys dead on sight. Most of them have rap sheets a mile long with convictions ranging from child molestation, to manslaughter, to statutory rape. Just sick that they are turned loose again.
Quote from: stalker on June 11, 2006, 12:21:09 PM
I have never broken a law Sargent Silly
Yes, unfortunately being an idiot isn't a crime. But that still doesn't give you the right to live.
Particularly the latest episode, where the guy shows up to see a "12 year old" so he can watch her farg her cat with the Kool Whip he brought with him. He stripped naked as soon as he walked in the door. Nice.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 11, 2006, 12:34:51 PM
...it is hard not to wish someone would shoot these guys dead on sight. Most of them have rap sheets a mile long with convictions ranging from child molestation, to manslaughter, to statutory rape. Just sick that they are turned loose again.
That\'s exactly what I was talking about.
I am nauseous at the thought of having something in common with someone like you.
:puke