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QuoteJune 2, 2006
By CHRIS McPHERSON
If you want tickets for either an Eagles home game or the Eagles Youth Partnership Carnival & Auction in August, you better mark June 14 on your calendars immediately.
The Eagles announced Friday that single-game tickets for all 10 home games will go on sale June 14 at 10 a.m. One hour later, tickets for the 12th annual Eagles Carnival and Auction, benefiting Eagles Youth Partnership, will be available. The Eagles Carnival and Auction will take place Sunday, August 27, from 3 to 8 p.m.
Eagles game tickets and Carnival Tickets can both be purchased online here. Tickets cannot be purchased in person at Lincoln Financial Field or at Ticketmaster outlets.
In an effort to make game tickets available to as many fans as possible, there is a limit of four tickets per game.
"We have attempted to create a system that will allow as many fans as possible the opportunity to purchase tickets," said Leo Carlin, director of ticket client relations. "By offering online and telephone options, we believe that fans will have an equitable opportunity to purchase the available seats."
Eagles single-game tickets can also be charged by phone through Ticketmaster at 215-336-2000. Eagles Carnival & Auction tickets are not available through Ticketmaster.
Carlin encourages fans to act fast. Last year, single-game tickets sold out quickly.
"We expect an equal or even greater demand this year," said Carlin.
The annual Eagles Carnival and Auction advance online ticket sale offers an opportunity for fans to purchase discounted admission tickets and to reserve autographs of high-profile players as well as locker room tours.
Last year's Carnival was a record-breaking success, raising more than $1 million for Eagles Youth Partnership programs like the Eye Mobile and Book Mobile. Activities included autographs, games, a silent auction, locker room tours, photo booths with players and the NFC Championship Trophy and a Super Bowl "grab bag" game.
Noice.
scalpers are already on hold...
website will crash by 10:00:20 and the phones will be locked up busy by 9:55:00
also surprised he didnt spew the company line of "well we have that 60,000,000,000 person waiting list" for tickets.
They were supposed to send us on the mythical waiting list an update package in December. Ha.
And I like the fact that they are selling them on-line this year too. I'll be online and on the phone.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2006, 04:31:03 PM
They were supposed to send us on the mythical waiting list an update package in December. Ha.
yeah really, did you dudes ask Spewy whats up with that?
Quote from: MURP on June 02, 2006, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 02, 2006, 04:31:03 PM
They were supposed to send us on the mythical waiting list an update package in December. Ha.
yeah really, did you dudes ask Spewy whats up with that?
Nope. Someone asked him on his MB though and he said he had no information on it. When I see him at TC I'll ask him. I know I signed up back in 2001. So if they really have a list, I've been on the bitch for 5 years. It'd be nice to actually get season tickets before I have to check into Shady Acres rest home.
You think you'll live long enough to get to a retirement home watching this team?
Hmmm. Yes.
But instead of being 80ish when I go in, I'll be in my 50's and look 80.
"Sir, your age please?"
"57."
(astonished look) "Wow!"
"I'm a Philadelphia sports fan, lady. Now go farg yourself and gimme a beer!"
Yea, I'll be trying too. I think it could be a bit easier this year than in the past, but that still might not mean much. Dallas game will be damn near impossible. Easiest game is what, Tennessee and Jacksonville?
damn i wish they would of released this info earlier. i had to go a spend a shtein load of money this past week. typical!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2006, 02:23:28 AM
"I'm a Philadelphia sports fan, lady. You suck! Now go farg yourself and gimme a beer!"
Fixed.
I actually spoke to Leo Carlin a few weeks ago. The waiting list project is being finalized but theres no date nor any more information out there. :paranoid
Nice.
Hopefully I'm not too far off.
You better be at the Linc on 10/8, Phreak...
Oh hell yeah. I am submitting my time off requests on Monday. I'm putting in for 4-5 Sunday's off so I can go to some games. The Cowboys game is one of them.
We WILL unload on the Cowboys busses.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2006, 11:16:46 PM
Oh hell yeah. I am submitting my time off requests on Monday. I'm putting in for 4-5 Sunday's off so I can go to some games. The Cowboys game is one of them.
We WILL unload on the Cowboys busses.
You misspelled
pusses, Phreak. Otherwise, I agree. ;)
And I'll be there for that one too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2006, 11:16:46 PM
Oh hell yeah. I am submitting my time off requests on Monday. I'm putting in for 4-5 Sunday's off so I can go to some games. The Cowboys game is one of them.
We WILL unload on the Cowboys busses.
You better get that time off, as I held you partially responsible for last year's collapse due to your lack of attendence. >:(
Even if I have to take a second mortgage for tickets, I'll be at that game.
I'll try & get tickets for the Cowboys & Panthers games & if I can't, I'll shoot for Skins & the Giants. Hopefully it won't be too cold in November, so the piss-filled balloons I make for the Skins game won't freeze.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 04, 2006, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 03, 2006, 11:16:46 PM
Oh hell yeah. I am submitting my time off requests on Monday. I'm putting in for 4-5 Sunday's off so I can go to some games. The Cowboys game is one of them.
We WILL unload on the Cowboys busses.
You better get that time off, as I held you partially responsible for last year's collapse due to your lack of attendence. >:(
Even if I have to take a second mortgage for tickets, I'll be at that game.
I'll try & get tickets for the Cowboys & Panthers games & if I can't, I'll shoot for Skins & the Giants. Hopefully it won't be too cold in November, so the piss-filled balloons I make for the Skins game won't freeze.
I totally agree! Phreak was missing from far too many games last year. job or no job, he better be there...although I could do with a little less of seeing that spit cup :boom
I won't use a spit cup anymore. I'll just make a nice Copehagen puddle right next to Die-Hard's pile o' puke. ;D
And yes, last year sucked. I hated not being able to go to as many games as I did in 2004. But I will make at least 4 this year.
Although the Cowboys MNF still stings. That was the first Eagles loss I've seen in person since the Divisonal playoffs in Dallas the week after we beat Detroits ass 58-37.
cmon Phreak, get that copenhagen sandbox out of your mouth and get yourself some bear--Kodiak bear
Ha. I tried Kodiak one time. It lasted me about 3 minutes until I junked it.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on June 04, 2006, 11:08:55 PM
Ha. I tried Kodiak one time. It lasted me about 3 minutes until I junked it.
Kodiak's for redneck sorority girls. ;)
Bumping to remind you all....tomorrow morning.
If anyone gets extras let me know. I can't afford it right now, but im good for it in a week.
Don't forget to save part of your allowance for a fathers' day gift.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 13, 2006, 01:13:03 PM
Don't forget to save part of your allowance for a fathers' day gift.
was that supposed to be an email to LittleSus ? ;D
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 13, 2006, 12:46:00 PM
Bumping to remind you all....tomorrow morning.
I've begun recruiting lackeys at work to assist me in getting through. I've briefed them on the process, provided cheats sheets & promises of pizza should they succeed.
If I wanted to get tickets to the Eagles/Houston opener do I still go through Philly or try to get them through Houston, which be the best option?
Id say Houston since they play at Houston.
Forgot about this. Thanks for the headsup.
Quote from: MURP on June 13, 2006, 01:22:44 PM
Id say Houston since they play at Houston.
But doesn't Philly get some sort of allotment for away games or is that just College football.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on June 13, 2006, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: MURP on June 13, 2006, 01:22:44 PM
Id say Houston since they play at Houston.
But doesn't Philly get some sort of allotment for away games or is that just College football.
just college.
the birds may offer a travel package on the site...but its usually a link to a scalper site.
I called the Texans. Single game tickets for them dont go on sale until the end of July they said. They dont even have a date for it yet. BUT, they have three different (2) game packages available for purchase now. Just so happens One of them is Texans/Eagles and Texans/Bucs. So you could get that right now and then sell off the Texans/Bucs game. Here is the link to the two game package stuff:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tickets/2gamepacks.php?section=Tickets/Stadium
Quote from: MURP on June 13, 2006, 01:34:21 PM
I called the Texans. Single game tickets for them dont go on sale until the end of July they said. They dont even have a date for it yet. BUT, they have three different (2) game packages available for purchase now. Just so happens One of them is Texans/Eagles and Texans/Bucs. So you could get that right now and then sell off the Texans/Bucs game. Here is the link to the two game package stuff:
http://www.houstontexans.com/tickets/2gamepacks.php?section=Tickets/Stadium
I looked at it there are some pretty reasonable deals but I am not sure that I want to deal with trying to sell tickets, I am going to take a wait and see approach.
Quote from: MURP on June 13, 2006, 01:14:42 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 13, 2006, 01:13:03 PM
Don't forget to save part of your allowance for a fathers' day gift.
was that supposed to be an email to LittleSus ? ;D
Nope, that was definitely meant for mussa.
Quote from: reese125 on June 04, 2006, 10:57:48 PM
cmon Phreak, get that copenhagen sandbox out of your mouth and get yourself some bear--Kodiak bear
Cope rules.
well its either fathers day gift or eagles tickets.... :evil
Quote from: stalker on June 13, 2006, 04:19:24 PM
Cope rules.
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i'm not sure if i can make a game this season but i was going to try for tix anyway. just tried to get on ticketmaster.com & my employer has it blocked.
shtein.
Quote from: hunt on June 14, 2006, 08:31:29 AM
i'm not sure if i can make a game this season but i was going to try for tix anyway. just tried to get on ticketmaster.com & my employer has it blocked.
shtein.
There's a website you can go to and use as a proxy server or something like that. I'm not sure what the URL is though.
Quote from: Tomahawk on June 14, 2006, 08:53:13 AM
Quote from: hunt on June 14, 2006, 08:31:29 AM
i'm not sure if i can make a game this season but i was going to try for tix anyway. just tried to get on ticketmaster.com & my employer has it blocked.
shtein.
There's a website you can go to and use as a proxy server or something like that. I'm not sure what the URL is though.
thanks.
but i'm not smart enough to figure that out....i'll just call the out of state phone # i've had success with in the past.
im stuck online waiting for Dallas and Atlanta tickets.... >:D
again what a friggin waste of time
i think the tickets are gone.
give it about 30 minutes until you can buy them on stubhub for about 3 or 4 times face value
i did manage to score 2 seats to the carolina monday game...
5 years on a facious waiting list, and these are the 1st tickets i have gotten at face value since 1999 on the day single games went on sale
farg farg fargity farg
screw it im just getting one or two games from my regular guy. Its friggin impossible to get tickets anymore. I really wish ticketmaster would revoke the sales of tickets that show up on stubhub within a 24 hour window. +
already on stubhub (http://www.stubhub.com/philadelphia-eagles-tickets/)
I got 4 tickets to the only game I might actually be able to attend: Nov 19 vs. the Titans.
I also got one ticket for the Monday night Carolina game. I'll offer it to PhillyPhreak54 at face value.
lol...they are already on stubhub...jags game is minimun $150
can anyone tell me, since the birds started using ticketmaster...what exactly is the use of the eagles ticket office?
i tried to get some off ticketmaster so I could sell them on Ebay, but to no avail.
oh...and i have a hard time beleiveing that they had actual tickets for some games...i have 3 computers at my desk at work. i had all three logged in with three accounts, three different credit/debit cards, and all have different IP addresses...
i immediately requested 2 tickets to the carolina game, dallas game, and giants game....i hit the search no more than 20 seconds after 10am....the only one i got was carolina.
they are already on stubhub...jags game is minimun $150
thats disgraceful...theres so many better ways they could do this
Quote from: Wingspan on June 14, 2006, 10:20:00 AM
oh...and i have a hard time beleiveing that they had actual tickets for some games...i have 3 computers at my desk at work. i had all three logged in with three accounts, three different credit/debit cards, and all have different IP addresses...
i immediately requested 2 tickets to the carolina game, dallas game, and giants game....i hit the search no more than 20 seconds after 10am....the only one i got was carolina.
Well, you proved they had "actual" tickets by getting a pair. They've made no bones about how minimal the amount of single-game tickets are, though, since season tickets have been sold out for 5 years+ now.
this is the first year i couldn't get any...i got through to ticketmaster at around 10:04, went through the automated thing, it searched for 2 jags tickets at around 10:09...none available. went through the automated thing again for 2 skins tickets at around 10:10...none available.
tried to go through the automated system a 3rd time to try for titans tix but got put on hold this time.
i probably could've got singles but i don't want them...oh well.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 14, 2006, 10:18:50 AM
i tried to get some off ticketmaster so I could sell them on Ebay, but to no avail.
i make it my personal mission to report every eagles ticket sold over face value to ebay.
some actually get shut down (the morons who sell from PA to an event in PA are violating the law by selling more than 110% of face value)...i'm like a ticket scalping vigilante
hes saying there werent actual tickets to all the games....just some of them
I was working my cell phone. office phone & computer and was only able to come up with a single game ticket for the taterskins. Looks like I'll have to apply for a loan to get this tickets from my broker & a case of K-Y.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 10:21:39 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 14, 2006, 10:20:00 AM
oh...and i have a hard time beleiveing that they had actual tickets for some games...i have 3 computers at my desk at work. i had all three logged in with three accounts, three different credit/debit cards, and all have different IP addresses...
i immediately requested 2 tickets to the carolina game, dallas game, and giants game....i hit the search no more than 20 seconds after 10am....the only one i got was carolina.
Well, you proved they had "actual" tickets by getting a pair. They've made no bones about how minimal the amount of single-game tickets are, though, since season tickets have been sold out for 5 years+ now.
if there were tickets to be had...there is no way they were gone within 45 seconds....no way.
Quotei make it my personal mission to report every eagles ticket sold over face value to ebay.
some actually get shut down (the morons who sell from PA to an event in PA are violating the law by selling more than 110% of face value)...i'm like a ticket scalping vigilante
im proud of you
i got through to ticketmaster at around 10:04, went through the automated thing
wow i got thru at exactly 10:00:00...i asked for four tickets tho...probably would have gotten them if i had went for a pair
Quote from: Wingspan on June 14, 2006, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 14, 2006, 10:18:50 AM
i tried to get some off ticketmaster so I could sell them on Ebay, but to no avail.
i make it my personal mission to report every eagles ticket sold over face value to ebay.
some actually get shut down (the morons who sell from PA to an event in PA are violating the law by selling more than 110% of face value)...i'm like a ticket scalping vigilante
I'm partially to blame here. I have bought Eagles tickets above face value for the last five years (usually road games, though). If there were none of my kind, there would be less online scalpers.
That said, I have made some decent money scalping tickets online -- none to Philly-area games though. Almost always St. Louis stuff. I figure I make money there, which allows me to spend money on the tickets I want.
i got 3 tix for dallas
and a single for home opener
word
sell them on Ebay
Quote from: phattymatty on June 14, 2006, 10:26:56 AM
i got 3 tix for dallas
and a single for home opener
word
Hey buddy. ;D
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 10:26:04 AM
i got through to ticketmaster at around 10:04, went through the automated thing
wow i got thru at exactly 10:00:00...i asked for four tickets tho...probably would have gotten them if i had went for a pair
i probably hit redial 100 times between 10:00 and 10:04 before i finally got through....the automated thing killed me. took 5 minutes to get through all the options before it even searched for the tix. then had to start all over to ask for tix for a different game.
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on June 14, 2006, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 14, 2006, 10:22:36 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 14, 2006, 10:18:50 AM
i tried to get some off ticketmaster so I could sell them on Ebay, but to no avail.
i make it my personal mission to report every eagles ticket sold over face value to ebay.
some actually get shut down (the morons who sell from PA to an event in PA are violating the law by selling more than 110% of face value)...i'm like a ticket scalping vigilante
I'm partially to blame here. I have bought Eagles tickets above face value for the last five years (usually road games, though). If there were none of my kind, there would be less online scalpers.
That said, I have made some decent money scalping tickets online -- none to Philly-area games though. Almost always St. Louis stuff. I figure I make money there, which allows me to spend money on the tickets I want.
i dont blame those buying them.
i blame the teams/hosts for not having a better way to sell single seats.
...i would MUCH rather line up the night before in south philly than to rely on the intenet or phone to buy tickets.
but i did land a pair of seats. so it's not as bad as normal years.
probably hit redial 100 times between 10:00 and 10:04 before i finally got through....the automated thing killed me. took 5 minutes to get through all the options before it even searched for the tix. then had to start all over to ask for tix for a different game.
oh you called....i was online...i thought you were saying you refreshed and couldnt connect online until 10:04....maybe i really didnt have a chance then
i've called kansas city the last two year and had no problems at all, ame as this year. the problem is it takes about 10 minutes to get through an entire order over the phone, by then almost everything is gone.
I don't understand what the "better" way would be, exactly.
When demand is greater than supply, there are going to be unhappy people.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 10:30:50 AM
probably hit redial 100 times between 10:00 and 10:04 before i finally got through....the automated thing killed me. took 5 minutes to get through all the options before it even searched for the tix. then had to start all over to ask for tix for a different game.
oh you called....i was online...i thought you were saying you refreshed and couldnt connect online until 10:04....maybe i really didnt have a chance then
yeah, i had to call...my employer has the ticketmaster site blocked.
when you call, you get an automated chick named kelly...she sounded hot but didn't come through with any tix. i'd probably still farg her though.
im kinda glad i didn't have the cash to spend now. what a disappointment.
I don't understand what the "better" way would be, exactly
make all these tickets will call tickets...where you have to pick them up with a picture id that matches the credit card that bought them on the day of the game
problem solved
Quote from: hunt on June 14, 2006, 10:32:28 AMwhen you call, you get an automated chick named kelly...she sounded hot but didn't come through with any tix. i'd probably still farg her though.
She's a typical woman though, talked too much, asked too many questions & I ended up frustrated by the end of the conversation.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 14, 2006, 10:36:43 AM
Quote from: hunt on June 14, 2006, 10:32:28 AMwhen you call, you get an automated chick named kelly...she sounded hot but didn't come through with any tix. i'd probably still farg her though.
She's a typical woman though, talked too much, asked too many questions & I ended up frustrated by the end of the conversation.
good point...her wordiness probably cost me my tix.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 10:15:58 AM
I got 4 tickets to the only game I might actually be able to attend: Nov 19 vs. the Titans.
I also got one ticket for the Monday night Carolina game. I'll offer it to PhillyPhreak54 at face value.
If Jay can't make it, you know I'm there for you.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 14, 2006, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 10:15:58 AM
I got 4 tickets to the only game I might actually be able to attend: Nov 19 vs. the Titans.
I also got one ticket for the Monday night Carolina game. I'll offer it to PhillyPhreak54 at face value.
If Jay can't make it, you know I'm there for you.
I'm not going to start a bidding war here. Tomahawk already PM'd me and said he wants it if Phreak turns it down. Really sorry, man. It would have been so much easier if I could have gotten 2 tix to the game... but I couldn't.
If Tomahawk dies today, you might be in luck.
P.S. Ticket is section 220, row 20, seat 18.
I'm got shut out, as did my boy. Looks like I'm only heading to Gints him in NJ, unless we become bad/mediocre and tickets start droppin out of the sky on ticketmaster like they did last year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 10:36:04 AM
I don't understand what the "better" way would be, exactly
make all these tickets will call tickets...where you have to pick them up with a picture id that matches the credit card that bought them on the day of the game
problem solved
i agree with that. the demand is what it is...but that way, you are assured that it's as scalperless as possible.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 10:50:14 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 14, 2006, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 10:15:58 AM
I got 4 tickets to the only game I might actually be able to attend: Nov 19 vs. the Titans.
I also got one ticket for the Monday night Carolina game. I'll offer it to PhillyPhreak54 at face value.
If Jay can't make it, you know I'm there for you.
I'm not going to start a bidding war here. Tomahawk already PM'd me and said he wants it if Phreak turns it down. Really sorry, man. It would have been so much easier if I could have gotten 2 tix to the game... but I couldn't.
If Tomahawk dies today, you might be in luck.
P.S. Ticket is section 220, row 20, seat 18.
I'm just kidding. I figured by the time I said that, I'd be 8th on the list anyway.
I've had some luck in the last 2 years buying them from Ticketmaster the week before the game, due to the teams releasing their unused allotment.
My employer was going to buy me the tickets to show me how much the suckers appreciate me. When they got shut out at ticketmaster I figured it was all over, but they went to stubhub to pay twice the face value to get me tickets to the MNF game vs. GB. This is really awesome because I love me some Eagles football.
Quote from: Tomahawk on June 14, 2006, 11:35:52 AM
My employer was going to buy me the tickets to show me how much the suckers appreciate me. When they got shut out at ticketmaster I figured it was all over, but they went to stubhub to pay twice the face value to get me tickets to the MNF game vs. GB. This is really awesome because I love me some Eagles football.
Should we put up ads around the city to find your girl from last year?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on June 14, 2006, 11:37:37 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on June 14, 2006, 11:35:52 AM
My employer was going to buy me the tickets to show me how much the suckers appreciate me. When they got shut out at ticketmaster I figured it was all over, but they went to stubhub to pay twice the face value to get me tickets to the MNF game vs. GB. This is really awesome because I love me some Eagles football.
Should we put up ads around the city to find your girl from last year?
Dear Jeebus NO! And I'm going to stay the hell away from whatever part of the city she kept trying to trick me into going to.
Quote from: Tomahawk on June 14, 2006, 11:40:38 AMDear Jeebus NO! And I'm going to stay the hell away from whatever part of the city she kept trying to trick me into going to.
:-D
Quote from: T_Section224 on June 14, 2006, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on June 14, 2006, 11:40:38 AMDear Jeebus NO! And I'm going to stay the hell away from whatever part of the city she kept trying to trick me into going to.
:-D
you are the Studmeister (aka the Rumplemeister)
Sorry you guys didn't get through.
That free-for-all is brutal.
The autograph page for the carnival keeps crashing too.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 14, 2006, 12:59:06 PM
Sorry you guys didn't get through.
That free-for-all is brutal.
That's the truth. I had a phone on each ear, working the PC all while talking to my coworkers, who were trying for me also. I was drenched after it was all over.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 14, 2006, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 14, 2006, 12:59:06 PM
Sorry you guys didn't get through.
That free-for-all is brutal.
That's the truth. I had a phone on each ear, working the PC all while talking to my coworkers, who were trying for me also. I was drenched after it was all over.
Did they ask why you never put that much effort into your real job?
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 14, 2006, 01:46:59 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 14, 2006, 01:37:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 14, 2006, 12:59:06 PM
Sorry you guys didn't get through.
That free-for-all is brutal.
That's the truth. I had a phone on each ear, working the PC all while talking to my coworkers, who were trying for me also. I was drenched after it was all over.
Did they ask why you never put that much effort into your real job?
Not right now, I have immunity since I just brought on new major account yesterday. I can f-off for a month or two now. :)
WIP is reporting the tickets sold out in "less than an hour"
i take that as to mean it wasnt like seven minutes or something...did anyone who got tickets get them after say the 15 minute mark
nope, i think i got my pair about about 10:05 once i hit submit on the transaction.
i tried every other game (1 per minute) on 2 other computers for the next 20 minutes
got this from Philly.com blog
Is it a coincidence that the Eagles website promotes a ticket scalping website called razorgator.com, that somehow "managed" to get large blocks of non seasonticketholder tickets (the upper reaches of the Linc), and sells them at three to four times face value?
This, despite violating Pennsylvania State scalping laws which states you cannot sell them at anything over face value?
Gee, do you think Eagles ticket office chief Leo Caplin might be getting a big monetary kickback for hooking up outside scalpers with blocks of tickets that only he has access to?
I have talked to DOZENS of people today who could get nothing more than maybe one single ticket to the worst game on the schedule, yet razorgator.com somehow gets them in batches of four?
Isn't this theft of service, and how come nobody sees it (or at least says anything)?!?!
how come nobody sees it (or at least says anything)?!?!
you really have to wonder why there isnt more of an uproar regarding this yet the city almost imploded over hoagiegate
yeah. RazorGator has over 1000 tickets available for the Dallas/Eagles game alone.....
i have seven season tickets and that makes me wanna murder someone...if i was a waiting list person or just a single game ticket fan id be incensed
Quote from: MURP on June 14, 2006, 04:28:24 PM
yeah. RazorGator has over 1000 tickets available for the Dallas/Eagles game alone.....
sounds like a job for Governor Rendell + Senator Specter to start investigating...
i just went to that razorgator site...by clicking through the PE.com
they have 100's of tickets to each game. with blocks of 4, 6, and a few as high as 18 tickets together. that is amazing. why wont someone run with this story is a good question.
they are scared of the Spad's Vendetta Machine
That makes me want to go on a killing spree, considering last year I got through for MNF Cowboy tix, only to be told I couldn't have 4, only 2. Which left me paying 250 a piece for seats in the corner of the endzone, last row of the second deck.
florio@profootballtalk.com
write in, see if it becomes a story....
Spadaro is getting spammed with questions about RazorGator right now.
I don't know why. If people want to know wtf is going on with the ticket office, why would they ask Spadaro? He's not going to give you anything close to the truth anyway.
Call f'ing Leo Carlin and complain. Or better yet, call one of the clowns over at the Inky or Daily News. Get SAS on it. He likes muckraking and this will give him something legitimate to investigate.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 14, 2006, 04:10:08 PM
Gee, do you think Eagles ticket office chief Leo Caplin might be getting a big monetary kickback for hooking up outside scalpers with blocks of tickets that only he has access to?
I have talked to DOZENS of people today who could get nothing more than maybe one single ticket to the worst game on the schedule, yet razorgator.com somehow gets them in batches of four?
Isn't this theft of service, and how come nobody sees it (or at least says anything)?!?!
i have always been suspicious of nfl teams, eagles included, of purposely feeding these places tickets. i've wondered and figured out that this is a way for any NFL team to make money and keep it off of the revenue books, making their egg bigger than the next guy. when they announce their single game sales...how many people do you know actually land tickets? year after year.
whenever an nfl team raises ticket prices publicly, there is a PR nightmare, teams want to avoid that.
however i have thought that teams will sell to a site like stub hub and razorgator at a price higher than face value. in a way, teams scalp their own tickets to be turned around and scalped again.
when the demand for tickets is good, everyone wins but the fans that have no choice but to pay up to $500 tickets to go to a game. but there sure were a LOT of empty seats that were supposedly sold out this time last year (and i was able to go to the skins game on new years day last year, buying my ticket though ticketmaster, for section 101 at face value).
i estimate razor gator to have around 10,000 eagles tickets available (each page has 41 listings of about 4 tickets a peice, 8 or 9 pages of listings per game, 8 games)....i am sorry, there is absolutley NO WAY they could have aquired that many tickets since 10 am this morning without the eagles knowing they were getting these.
again, that is just one site...
seriously. write florio@profootballtalk.com ... if enough people make a stink he will investigate.
go to town....i already fired off two emails....and im gonna do a couple more tommorow
rich hoffman - hofmanr@phillynews.com
sam donnellon - donnels@phillynews.com
paul domowitch - pdomo@aol.com
sas - ssmith@phillynews.com
bob ford - bford@phillynews.com
phil sheridan - psheridan@phillynews.com
yeah that sold out in under an hour is bs.
i was one of the lucky ones today by getting some dallas tix right away, and by the time that transaction was over, maybe 7 or 8 minutes, there were nothing but single left, and 5 minutes later, nothing. they sold out in probably under 15 minutes.
whats really sickening about all this is how the eagles front office puffs their chest out when talking about their supposed 60,000 person long waiting list
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 05:06:41 PM
whats really sickening about all this is how the eagles front office puffs their chest out when talking about their supposed 60,000 person long waiting list
it's not just the eagles...every team seems to have the same deals.
but 10,000 tickets in a season not something that goes unnoticed
although, if you go to the giants section of razorgator(giants are supposedly 100% season ticket attendees, there are no more than 2 or 300 tickets available to any 1 game...hmmmm....
lets say razorgater has 10,000 tickets right now. How many people would have to be working for them on the computer or phone to obtain that many tickets this morning... 100,000? 500,000? ha.
since the ticketmaster rules were for 4 tickets per game, 2 games each household.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 14, 2006, 05:11:42 PM
although, if you go to the giants section of razorgator(giants are supposedly 100% season ticket attendees, there are no more than 2 or 300 tickets available to any 1 game...hmmmm....
Giants also allow season tix holders to sell their tix via the Giants tix office. They charge a 20% fee to the owner, but tix are sold at face value!
I sent an e-mail to several of those writers. Something here is shady. I know several of these "distributors" have multiple sections of season tickets, but the fact that the Eagles are promoting this specific place reeks of shady.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 05:19:23 PM
the fact that the Eagles are promoting this specific place reeks of shady.
thats where I see a problem also.
This is frustrating for me, because I've been on the waiting list for 5+ years, and they never sent the update they promised last year after I updated my information. Asshats.
is there any solid proof that there is a real list?
Quote from: MURP on June 14, 2006, 05:27:31 PM
is there any solid proof that there is a real list?
The list is in Jimmy Hoffa's briefcase.
Quote from: MURP on June 14, 2006, 05:27:31 PM
is there any solid proof that there is a real list?
No, because they didn't send out the updates to people with their place on the list, as promised.
ConcreteField was able to acquire large blocks of tickets for every home game and some of the away games. Auctions will start in an hour.
you sir are a filthy liar.
I had a shower today.
for some reason, i feel calm and peaceful. like a day at the beach.
oh yeah, I have season tickets.
Quote from: General_Failure on June 14, 2006, 05:35:50 PM
ConcreteField was able to acquire large blocks of tickets for every home game and some of the away games. Auctions will start in an hour.
will CF use the profits to update the site? :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
If the site needs a new swimming pool or a boat, yes.
Quote from: General_Failure on June 14, 2006, 05:48:15 PM
If the site needs a new swimming pool or a boat, yes.
How about a wet bar and a plasma tv?
And some strippers...
The auction is now over. A special thanks to RazorGator for winning every last ticket.
:-D
I can't wait for a swim in that site pool.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 05:19:23 PM
I sent an e-mail to several of those writers. Something here is shady. I know several of these "distributors" have multiple sections of season tickets, but the fact that the Eagles are promoting this specific place reeks of shady.
FF, who did you send e-mails to? I am going to write in, furious that I couldn't get tickets, especially with the setup I had. I pretty much set aside an hour with three phones, and several PCs, and got zip. I figure if we send a bunch to the same guys, it'll prompt their asses to look into it.
I talked to a broker friend of mine, and he says that he knows they have an agreed amount to give to places like RazorGator well before the tickets go on sale. It's known deal behind closed doors, but it baffles him why no one has ever looked into it.
I might start a farging petition...
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 14, 2006, 07:13:46 PM
I can't wait for a swim in that site pool.
We didn't get as much as I had hoped, so the site is only getting the special olympic-sized pool.
this razorgator thing is infuriating... :boom
razorgatorgate
Well, I emailed Florio. MURP's right. Get enough of the same email, and he'll start talking about it. Add to that, he's on AOL now, and gets a lot more exposure.
It worked with the Phillies.
Edited - on the other hand, no need to get embroiled in some sort of legal mess...
:paranoid
Instead... here's the contact information for Razorgator, Inc. Have fun boys and girls.
QuoteRazorGator, Inc.
11150 Santa Monica Blvd. Suite 500
Los Angeles, CA, 90025
U.S.A
Toll Free Phone: 800.542.4466
Direct Phone: 1.310.481.3400
they dont have their own nfl team so they will steal all the eagle tickets
i emailed all the people listed....i also threw in jody macdonald for good measure but that will do little good as stub hub is one of 950's sponsors
jodymac@sportstalk950.com
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 14, 2006, 07:53:43 PM
Instead... here's the contact information for Razorgator, Inc. Have fun boys and girls.
Great idea Romey. I called & asked if they're refrigerator was running. They don't know who they're f-ing with. >:D
It was so much easier back in the day when I thought the FO could do no wrong. I <heart> ignorance.
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 14, 2006, 09:14:15 PM
It was so much easier back in the day when I thought the FO could do no wrong. I <heart> ignorance.
Ignorance is bliss as long as you take the blue pill.
in browsing a lot of other team sites, the eagles seem to be the only team partnering up with a scalper house other than the bengals. (i didnt go through all of them)
and they seem to be the only team without an organized waiting list (based on teams with strong fan bases) jets, pats, steelers, giants, skins, chiefs, bears...all have an organized waiting list...
can someone please tell me what the eagles ticket office does with their time other than making shady scalper deals?
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 14, 2006, 05:02:13 PM
go to town....i already fired off two emails....and im gonna do a couple more tommorow
rich hoffman - hofmanr@phillynews.com
sam donnellon - donnels@phillynews.com
paul domowitch - pdomo@aol.com
sas - ssmith@phillynews.com
bob ford - bford@phillynews.com
phil sheridan - psheridan@phillynews.com
you likely wont hear much from them since the inky and daily news both house stubhub ads
The way the Eagles attacked free agency this year, it wouldn't surprise me that Lurie and Banner are trying to pocket a few extra bucks. They do come off as cheap sometimes regardless of what anyone thinks.
Email Andy, he'd never support this type of madness.
Quote from: MURP on June 14, 2006, 04:52:38 PM
florio@profootballtalk.com
write in, see if it becomes a story....
QuotePOSTED 10:56 p.m. EDT, June 14, 2006
EAGLES FANS CRY FOUL REGARDING TICKET SALES
We've received numerous e-mails from readers who think that something stinks regarding the manner in which the Philadelphia Eagles distributed single-game tickets on Wednesday, June 14.
The tickets went on sale at 10:00 a.m. on June 14, and per several readers they were sold out within minutes.
But plenty of tickets are available through RazorGator.com, a ticket brokerage that offers seats at a sizeable markup. Curiously, the Eagles and RazorGator.com have entered into some sort of a partnership, as evidenced by a web page that combines the names and trademarks of both entities.
Although the Eagles tickets available via RazorGator.com supposedly come from "Season Ticket Holders," the mere existence of a business relationship between the Eagles and the ticket brokerage has prompted fans who were unable to get single-game tickets at face value to believe that the seats somehow were funneled to RazorGator -- thereby allowing the team to make even more money on the ultimate transaction.
We're not suggesting that anything inappropriate has actually happened. But from a P.R. standpoint, the team's arrangement with RazorGator.com coupled with the near-immediate disappearance of the available single-game tickets looks bad, and we think the organization should take a long look at the potential impact of the perception that a back-door windfall is being engineered.
Again, we're not saying it's happening. But we can understand why reasonable minds would conclude otherwise, based on the available facts.
I didn't get a goddamn thing again this year. Thankfully FF was kind enough to offer me the CAR ticket. Just like PG was nice enough to hook me up big time in 2004.
I had to go to work early today so it screwed up my plan. Although my plan hasn't worked in years past and probably wouldn't have worked today. But anyways, I called Ticketmaster and was on hold. And like in years past I got disconnected and then when I called back I didn't get shtein. I finally got to hear a real voice in Houston at about 10:15ish and there was nothing according to this person.
So I got pissed and hung up and went to work angry.
And that Razorgator thing is farging insane. I, like many others, are on this fictional waiting list and haven't heard a GODDAMN thing about it. Unlike some iceholes out there who don't even want to go to the games, I do. I want to be there. I want to spend my money at Lincoln Financial Field and give the Eagles money so I can enjoy myself. Do the Eagles care? Of course not. They are getting their cash from Razorgator and whoever else is on the take with that ticket office. And then they sell them to opposing fans and others a big markups.
I don't even mind paying $150 for a ticket sometimes from a broker. But it pisses me off that I could be buying TWO games for what I spend on one seat.
I hope the Philadelphia media makes a stink about this. For once in my life i actually want them to piss and moan. Hell, they're good enough at doing it they should shred Leo Carlin if it is found that he is being shady.
It was so much easier back in the day when I thought the FO could do no wrong. I <heart> ignorance
welcome to the dark side luke
Cataldi mentioned the PFT.com item on the air during the WIP morning show about 10 minutes ago and agreed it sounds fishy, so it's looking like this issue is going to at least get some degree of local media scrutiny. Morganti said (and I tend to agree) that it's more likely that some individuals (maybe lower level clerical staff in the FO) could be involved in something like this on their own to make extra money ala Mike Tice, than the organization funnelling tickets to scalpers as a revenue stream.
Ticket sales in general are a scam and corrupt...I picked up some tickets on eBay for the Chilli Peppers concert in October, and there were already people selling tickets for a not-yet-announced (at the time) second night at the Wachovia Center which didn't go on sale to the public until two weeks later.
Speaking of...if anyone is interested in four tickets together to the Eagles/Cleveland Browns preseason game in a lower-level SBL section behind the Eagles bench at the goal line (section 105), PM me. We'll probably end up selling them at $40-50 per ticket ($80 face value).
Morganti said (and I tend to agree) that it's more likely that some individuals (maybe lower level clerical staff in the FO) could be involved in something like this on their own to make extra money ala Mike Tice, than the organization funnelling tickets to scalpers as a revenue stream.
that wouldnt come close to equaling the number of tickets that razorgate has
all the eagles have to do is disassociate themselves from razorgate and tell ticket holders that if they find their tickets being sold anywhere for more than face value they will give one warning and after that you lose your seats and they will be offered to the next person on the 'waiting list'
the problem is with the amount of tickets razorgate has its clear that they have some sort of deal with the eagles to obtain tickets and its not season ticket holders selling their tickets
I'm glad this is getting some pub. If nothing else, it might entice the ticket office to finally send out waiting list status as they promised close to a year ago.
What! What!! All of a sudden the media is our friend?
Bash 'em 'till you need 'em, eh?
Obviously. Duh.
i personally love the media...i just hate fox
Quote from: hunt on June 15, 2006, 08:36:10 AM
exactly where on pe.com is the link/ad for razor gator ???
It's in this article (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=50198).
thanks.
i found it a couple minutes after i asked the question.
oops.
I haven't looked at Razorgator to see where these seats are, but if anyone has researched it are the tickets they have listed for sale in the far reaches of the stadium, or are they more in SBL/Club-level areas? It's unlikely that anything other than nosebleeds went up for sale yesterday morning by the Eagles, so any premium seats would either be:
1) Season ticketholders looking to make some cash, or
2) Brokers who are also SBL holders (of which I am convinced there are many from personal observation), which is an entirely different issue.
I'm not doubting there are some back-door deals made, but it's conceivable that a decent percentage of season ticket holders are putting single-season tickets up for sale for certain games...especially because websites such as razorgator, stubhub and ebay have made ticket resale much cleaner than the old-school, smarmy-looking guy standing in the parking lot with a cardboard "Need Tickets?" sign. I wouldn't do it because I want to see the Eagles beat the Cowboys myself at the Linc, but pairs of tickets to the Eagles/Cowboys game at the Linc for my section are listing in some places for $500-700+ per seat, and it's only June...if I sold this one game, it'd pay for most of the rest of my season.
It's not what I'm doing, but I can understand why some people would do this.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on June 15, 2006, 12:02:43 AM
The way the Eagles attacked free agency this year, it wouldn\'t surprise me that Lurie and Banner are trying to pocket a few extra bucks.
You are more than a little retarded.
Quote from: stalker on June 15, 2006, 08:46:15 AMQuote from: Bunkley78 on June 15, 2006, 12:02:43 AMThe way the Eagles attacked free agency this year, it wouldn\'t surprise me that Lurie and Banner are trying to pocket a few extra bucks.
You are more than a little retarded.
post of the year, not least for irony points
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 15, 2006, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: hunt on June 15, 2006, 08:36:10 AM
exactly where on pe.com is the link/ad for razor gator ???
It's in this article (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=50198).
it also pops from the season ticket info button on the menu of the site
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on June 15, 2006, 08:45:39 AM
I haven't looked at Razorgator to see where these seats are, but if anyone has researched it are the tickets they have listed for sale in the far reaches of the stadium, or are they more in SBL/Club-level areas?
i only checked the jags game because that's the game i tried to get tix for at 10:05 but it was sold out. there are 10 pages of ticket listings and i'd estimate that 60-70% of those listings are for 200 level seats.
It's in this article.
thats takes some balls to write an article about how fans couldnt get tickets and then direct them to a site that scalps them
one thing i dont understand is if you have a 60,000 person waiting list as you love to point out then why are there ANY single game sales....if its a suite or a club seat i could maybe see...but there is no reason whatsoever that lower or upper bowl seats should be available for single game sales
Quote from: Wingspan on June 15, 2006, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 15, 2006, 08:42:57 AM
Quote from: hunt on June 15, 2006, 08:36:10 AM
exactly where on pe.com is the link/ad for razor gator ???
It's in this article (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=50198).
it also pops from the season ticket info button on the menu of the site
thanks.
here's the popup, btw.
http://philadelphiaeagles.razorgator.com/
Quote from: Diomedes on June 15, 2006, 08:10:32 AM
What! What!! All of a sudden the media is our friend?
Bash 'em 'till you need 'em, eh?
Let's clarify. The media is, in general, a bunch of lazy, self-serving attention whores. But they do have value when you can direct them to expose corruption in certain situations. Kind of like using maggots to debride a wound.
Quote from: Diomedes on June 15, 2006, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: stalker on June 15, 2006, 08:46:15 AMQuote from: Bunkley78 on June 15, 2006, 12:02:43 AMThe way the Eagles attacked free agency this year, it wouldn\'t surprise me that Lurie and Banner are trying to pocket a few extra bucks.
You are more than a little retarded.
post of the year, not least for irony points
Ironic? Yes. Accurate? Yes.
So it's like I said: the media sucks until you need them.
Kinda like cops, lawyers, and doctors.
tickets went on sale yesterday?
oh yeah, i got some.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 09:07:59 AM
It's in this article.
thats takes some balls to write an article about how fans couldnt get tickets and then direct them to a site that scalps them
yeah really. They make it so easy to connect the dots....
Quote from: Diomedes on June 15, 2006, 09:23:52 AM
So it's like I said: the media sucks until you need them.
They suck regardless.
Fair enough. Doesn't change the fact that you need them from time to time, and when you do, you're more than happy they're there.
And by "you" I mean, everyone who bitches about them.
Like cops, lawyers and doctors.
I've wondered that too...if there are people on a list for season tickets, why are there any single game tickets at all? Is that a contractual obligation the team has to the NFL and/or the City of Philadelphia? Should the people at the top of the waiting list have first crack at them before they go on sale to the public?
Just reporting what the hosts were just saying on WIP, so take it FWIW...these are the current listings for tickets available on two different sites for the Eagles/Cowboys game at the Linc, and they somewhat deflate the conspiracy theory*:
Razorgator (Eagles affiliation) 1,500 (approximate) tickets for sale
Stubhub (no public affiliation) 1,250 (approximate) tickets for sale
* Unless we all believe the Eagles are also co-conspirators with the folks that run Stubhub.
I will say that in the Spring of 2004, the Eagles did an on-line survey of season ticketholders (not sure if of all, but I know I was contacted). One of the questions was to gauge interest in season ticket holders having a team-affiliated vehicle for selling unwanted tickets to other fans, a "fan to fan exchange". As a season ticket holder, I said yes, because it's nice to have the option, and it's somewhere where fans who do not have season tickets have at least the opportunity to buy them. Shortly before the 2005 season, the Eagles made and publicized their affiliation with Razorgator, so this is not new this season, and was something they researched.
Just something to consider. Not all season ticketholders are die-hard fans. I've never sold any tickets above face value to date, personally, but it is a little tempting when the big games come around and you see the ridiculous prices for which people are listing these tickets for sale on-line.
ticket brokers are in it together. I bet you will find some of the exact same tickets on sale at stubhub and razorgator.
Is that a contractual obligation the team has to the NFL and/or the City of Philadelphia?
not to nfl...the giants and taterskins for example...two other teams with waiting lists...have never had public sale of tickets
One of the questions was to gauge interest in season ticket holders having a team-affiliated vehicle for selling unwanted tickets to other fans, a "fan to fan exchange". As a season ticket holder, I said yes, because it's nice to have the option, and it's somewhere where fans who do not have season tickets have at least the opportunity to buy them
thats all well and good but then the exchange should be done on the eagles website...perhaps thru a ticket exchange board where the tickets cannot be scalped...no nfl team should have an affiliation with a ticket scalping agency
Not all season ticketholders are die-hard fans. I've never sold any tickets above face value to date, personally, but it is a little tempting when the big games come around and you see the ridiculous prices for which people are listing these tickets for sale on-line.
the bigger problem is that not all season ticket holders are fans at all...lots of these seats razorgator has and stubhub as well are seats they bought...so they are the season ticket holder...
bottom line is youre not gonna stop scalping across the board...but to have an an actual business deal with a scalper is just plain wrong...and as for stubhub they list the seat locations of their tickets...the eagles can look those tickets up and find the owner...give them a warning that scalping their tickets will result in a loss of their seats if caught again...
its amazing that fans can blatantly post their tickets on these sites but i have to be careful in the parking lot exchanging money with a friend for a face value ticket for fear that the police will think im scalping
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 09:57:57 AM
the eagles can look those tickets up and find the owner...give them a warning that scalping their tickets will result in a loss of their seats if caught again...
1. Why would they? They have their season ticket money, they don't care after that.
2. As long as the people aren't breaking the PA markup law, it shouldn't be a problem.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 09:57:57 AMthe bigger problem is that not all season ticket holders are fans at all...lots of these seats razorgator has and stubhub as well are seats they bought...so they are the season ticket holder...
You make good points in your post, but do you know this part to be true? I haven't heard anywhere that any of the tickets on either site are owned by the site. Both sites position themselves as a "fan to fan ticket exchange".
And, when I answered yes to the Eagles' "fan to fan ticket exchange" question, I assumed they would manage it themselves, as well, as I think the Phillies do (or, at least did last season). That's a valid point.
I'd just as soon they sell these seats to new season ticketholders off the list as season tickets then, if that is allowable (as done by the taterskins and Giants), and not sell any single game tickets.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 15, 2006, 10:03:20 AM
1. Why would they? They have their season ticket money, they don't care after that.
2. As long as the people aren't breaking the PA markup law, it shouldn't be a problem.
It seems to me that they are breaking the PA law on that razorgator site. the cheapest i see a ticket on there is over $150 a ticket. thats a bit more than the 110% or whatever it is.
that's on Razorgator then, in my opinon. not the Eagles.
i am so totally with you
shut your face.
but do you know this part to be true?
it common knowledge that brokers dont only buy single games seats...in fact they obtain as many season tickets as they can as those tickets will provide them with a much bigger profit...theres no question in my mind that razorgator and other brokers bought as many season tickets as they could when they were still available at the vet
1. Why would they? They have their season ticket money, they don't care after that.
ummm because it would show that they care about the fans...and you can say well they obviously dont care about the fans...but that doesnt make it acceptable
2. As long as the people aren't breaking the PA markup law, it shouldn't be a problem.
if nothing else it allows easy access to tickets for opposing fans...not to mention its completely unfair to eagle fans on the waiting list...i mean dont you want as many real fans owning tickets as possible??...it makes for a better home field advantage...i personally want as few visiting fans as possible in my stadium...the threat of physical violence is slowly fading away at the linc so now all thats left is to make tickets as difficult as possible to get...i dont want the linc turning into fed ex
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on June 15, 2006, 09:47:27 AM
Just reporting what the hosts were just saying on WIP, so take it FWIW...these are the current listings for tickets available on two different sites for the Eagles/Cowboys game at the Linc, and they somewhat deflate the conspiracy theory*:
Razorgator (Eagles affiliation) 1,500 (approximate) tickets for sale
Stubhub (no public affiliation) 1,250 (approximate) tickets for sale
* Unless we all believe the Eagles are also co-conspirators with the folks that run Stubhub.
the sell a lot of the same seats...
The Eagles ain't shtein, y'all.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 15, 2006, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 09:57:57 AM
the eagles can look those tickets up and find the owner...give them a warning that scalping their tickets will result in a loss of their seats if caught again...
1. Why would they? They have their season ticket money, they don't care after that.
2. As long as the people aren't breaking the PA markup law, it shouldn't be a problem.
1. the claim a 60,000 person waiting list, enough to fill a 2nd stadium. the demand is there to keep the seats full
2. 3 or 4 times face value is in major non compliance of markup laws.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 15, 2006, 10:14:05 AM
that's on Razorgator then, in my opinon. not the Eagles.
i would agree with you if the eagles werent pimping razorgator all over their site
I honestly think you're better off going to away games at this point.
It's easier to get good seats for most away games for the same price as nosebleeds at the Linc.
While there's a certain element of fans who'll complain about anything, in this instance, I think they have a case here. The Eagles have something to answer for with respect to the RazorGator affiliation. It's like they're doing business with the Mob openly and without a shred of regret.
The thing is, though, the season tickets are sold out and there is very little attrition, so they can basically do whatever they want.
It's a shame that they're doing so simply because they can.
:boo
Quote from: Wingspan on June 15, 2006, 10:33:29 AM
i would agree with you if the eagles werent pimping razorgator all over their site
right...that's where this whole thing gets shady. i agree.
The thing is, though, the season tickets are sold out
the how are there single game ticket sales
the season tickets are sold out cause the eagles say they are sold out
just like theres a 60,000 waiting list cause the eagles say there is a 60,000 seat waiting list
there are plenty of season tickets available...the eagles just dont want to sell them to you or me
I called ticketmaster in Dallas....no luck at getting any and we called right before 10am
I tried to get farging Tennesse tickets at 10:09 and they were sold out...2 seats in best avail.
Although I'm tempted to feed the machine at razorgator...
edit: They will have to up the seating if they plan on making a serious bid for the '16 Olympi-yads.
Has anybody compared the actual seats offered on Razorgator versus Stubhub? I think they may be selling the same seats (from a common pool), and taking their own commission if it sells via their site.
From Spadaro...
QuoteDoesn't it say on the RazorGator site where the tickets come from? Fans, right? Ticketholders, right? Why don't you go raise cain with RazorGator? The Eagles have done nothing wrong at all. This is a great fan base and the demand exceeds the supply. Simple as that.
QuoteI don't confirm business deals. I am not shown contracts. I don't know. I would imagine, understanding the web component, that the only money the Eagles get from them is through the advertising ... But I am not confirming anything because I don't know and I won't take the time to find out. I have other things to do.
Alrighty then.
:sly
Spadaro's basically saying he has nothing with which to spin this.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on June 15, 2006, 11:09:46 AM
I tried to get farging Tennesse tickets at 10:09 and they were sold out...2 seats in best avail.
I got my 4 Tennessee tickets at 10:03, only because it took that long to search.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 15, 2006, 11:49:52 AM
From Spadaro...
QuoteDoesn't it say on the RazorGator site where the tickets come from? Fans, right? Ticketholders, right? Why don't you go raise cain with RazorGator? The Eagles have done nothing wrong at all. This is a great fan base and the demand exceeds the supply. Simple as that.
QuoteI don't confirm business deals. I am not shown contracts. I don't know. I would imagine, understanding the web component, that the only money the Eagles get from them is through the advertising ... But I am not confirming anything because I don't know and I won't take the time to find out. I have other things to do.
Alrighty then.
:sly
i wonder if he was twitching while saying that
I checked both sites, and it appears that there are, indeed, some common seats on both sites. Mostly the blocks of seats. The ones and twos look to be unique to each site.
I don't think Spew would want to look into that area. It's safer for him to keep his professional blinders on.
And another one...
QuoteI think it's wonderful that a team coming off a 6-10 season has such a high demand for tickets. It would be great to make everyone who wants a ticket happy. That isn't reality. I don't see this as a negative story at all. The Eagles have done nothing wrong.
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:-D
Quote from: Spadaro
Doesn't it say on the RazorGator site where the tickets come from? Fans, right? Ticketholders, right? Why don't you go raise cain with RazorGator? The Eagles have done nothing wrong at all. This is a great fan base and the demand exceeds the supply. Simple as that.
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ALL IS WELL!
I just looked at that thread, and it reminded me of why I so rarely visit that place anymore.
I don't expect Spew to acknowledge impropriety by the Eagles, but his answers are more infuriating than if he would have just not responded.
Why don't people ask the people in the Eagles ticket office about this, rather than the spinmaster editor of Eagles Digest and guy who runs the message board.
i tried and they wont let me talk to anyone but the person who answers the phone...and that person says he doesnt know the answers to my questions but he will take my name and number and someone will gte back to me...hasnt happened yet
Don't hold your breath, IGY. (I know you know this, but I just had to say it.)
The more I think about this, the more steamed I get.
The Eagles are playing a game of deniability here. They release the tickets and they say they have no control over what happens then. And there is apparently no published policy (by the Eagles, at least) forbidding scalping.
Maybe the right avenue to pursue is via the LFF channels. They at least have a policy in place, it would be useful for somebody (or many somebodies) to call them on it.
Lincoln Financial Field Website (http://www.lincolnfinancialfield.com/guest/a-z.jsp)
QuoteTicket Scalping
Lincoln Financial Field Ticket Scalping Policy prohibits the resale of an event ticket at a price higher than face value, regardless of the price paid for the ticket and regardless where the resale occurs. Violators of this stadium policy or any local laws will be asked to leave the premises and may be subject to legal repercussions.
Prohibited Items And Behavior
In conjunction with the National Football League and out of concern for the safety of our Guests and employees, the following are prohibited:
Smoking (except in designated areas)
Bags larger than 12" x 12" x 12"
Alcohol
Animals (except service animals to aid Guests with disabilities)
Bottles (glass or plastic) and Cans*
Thermoses
Food not wrapped in clear plastic*
Beverages*
Hard Sided Coolers*
Umbrellas
Fireworks, Firearms and Weapons of any kind
Footballs
Laser Pointers
Noisemakers
Signs or Flags on sticks or poles
Strollers
Video Cameras and Video Capable Cell Phones
Resale of Tickets (check local laws)
Profanity
Throwing Objects
Trespassing, Soliciting, Peddling and Loitering
Any other item or action deemed dangerous or inappropriate
Guests who appear to be inebriated and unmanageable will not be permitted admittance into the stadium. Any attempt to bring alcohol into the stadium will be considered a violation of the Code of Conduct and may result in the Guest being ejected, arrested or tickets being revoked All persons and/or their belongings are subject to search. Violators of the rules of any State or City laws will be refused admission, asked to leave or ejected from stadium property. * Exceptions will be made for those with medical requirements and/or special needs. Police Room
The Police Room is located on the Service Level near the loading dock on the East side of the stadium. Any Guest inquiring about someone who has been removed from the seating bowl by police should be referred to Guest Services Centers located in Sections 121, 136, 206 and 226.
Even more spinnage...
QuoteThe relationship with RazorGator did not begin this year. It has been in place for two seasons, so I'm not sure I understand all this focus on RazorGator. The Eagles don't make money on the sale of tickets there, that much I know. It is a forum for fans to sell unwanted tickets.
I actually laughed out loud after reading that last bit.
Good Lord.
::)
The egg on Dave's face is starting to have its own rotten egg-babies.
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The Eagles are doing nothing wrong! I can assure you of that!
It is a forum for fans to sell unwanted tickets.
but wait the eagles have the best fans and dave cant help it if the demand far outweighs the supply...so i ask if the tickets are in such demand why do so many people have "unwanted" tickets
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That girl in the background is so hot.
I will have three tickets for sale for the Oct. 2 Greenbay game. ESPN at 8:30
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 01:50:51 PM
so i ask if the tickets are in such demand why do so many people have "unwanted" tickets
Because the demand is not only driven by fans wanting to see a game, it's driven by fans/other parties that want to profit on the resale.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 15, 2006, 10:11:32 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 15, 2006, 10:03:20 AM
1. Why would they? They have their season ticket money, they don't care after that.
2. As long as the people aren't breaking the PA markup law, it shouldn't be a problem.
It seems to me that they are breaking the PA law on that razorgator site. the cheapest i see a ticket on there is over $150 a ticket. thats a bit more than the 110% or whatever it is.
It depends on the state your company is based in. In Jersey, they don't have a markup law, and the scalpers use that as a base to sell tix in Philly and NYC.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 15, 2006, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 01:50:51 PM
so i ask if the tickets are in such demand why do so many people have "unwanted" tickets
Because the demand is not only driven by fans wanting to see a game, it's driven by fans/other parties that want to profit on the resale.
Beermonkey should be promoted to Major Obvious.
Ha!
Because the demand is not only driven by fans wanting to see a game, it's driven by fans/other parties that want to profit on the resale.
so either money is more important to the fans than the eagles are
or
the people who own many of the seats at the linc arent fans at all (they are ticket brokers)
either way dave is full of caca
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 15, 2006, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 15, 2006, 01:59:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 01:50:51 PM
so i ask if the tickets are in such demand why do so many people have "unwanted" tickets
Because the demand is not only driven by fans wanting to see a game, it's driven by fans/other parties that want to profit on the resale.
Beermonkey should be promoted to Major Obvious.
Ha!
Lick me, I'm having a bad day. I have an extra special man-hug waiting for you this season. :-*
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 02:05:22 PM
so either money is more important to the fans than the eagles are
or
the people who own many of the seats at the linc arent fans at all (they are ticket brokers)
either way dave is full of caca
Both. [obvious]It's the combo of season ticket holders selling off certain games for a profit, brokers & fans buying individual seats for proft & large blocks owned by ticket/travel agencies. [/obvious]
The agency I usually get my tickets through owns about 100 seats and had to pay the SBL's for all, though a lot of their tickets now come from fans selling their seats off, especially last year. While the agencies are a problem, it's also on the greedy members of the fanbase who buy unneccesary tickets for profit. I can almost guarantee you that they're are some posting on this board right now who are doing such a thing.
Everyone is quick to demonize brokers, when it's actually the fans trying to turn a buck by using services such as Razorgator to move their seats.
which is why the owners of the seats whether it be a broker or a fan should have their shteins taken away from them if the seats are found being scalped
why should there be a different standard for them than for me...if i get caught in the parking lot scalping i would have my tickets taken away by the eagles...why isnt it the same for these people
I used Stubhub last year to sell 2 of four tickets for the Washington game. Sold 2 to a coworker at face value and the other 2 on stubhub for 120.00 a piece. I was forced into getting the tickets but sold them at a fair price. What irks me about this is i waited a while to sell them not the day they went on sale.
what ever happened to the good old days of goin to the stadium to buy tickets so the morons from outta the area cant buy the tickets online to make profits?
Quote from: harrahs80 on June 15, 2006, 04:08:27 PM
what ever happened to the good old days of goin to the stadium to buy tickets so the morons from outta the area cant buy the tickets online to make profits?
QuoteYIM: pattison_2_rowand
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You're super.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 15, 2006, 03:44:34 PM
which is why the owners of the seats whether it be a broker or a fan should have their shteins taken away from them if the seats are found being scalped
why should there be a different standard for them than for me...if i get caught in the parking lot scalping i would have my tickets taken away by the eagles...why isnt it the same for these people
I've got no problem with what you're saying.
I'm curious how other NFL teams handle this though. I've seen people referencing how the Skins & Pats "crack down on piracy" by stating that their seating rights can be taken away if they are caught selling tickets above a certain markup, yet when you check out razorgator there's as many pages of ticket options, as there are for the Eagles.
to be honest im not really concerned with what other teams do...tho id like to see another team step up and set a precedent
Im curious....did anyone who wrote the Daily News/Inquirer writers here back anything from them?
i fired off to all six of the writers and have yet to hear a peep
i dont expect or want them to write me back...a response for me would be to see a piece in the paper addressing the issue
Yeah, right. Like anyone at the Philly papers is going to raise a stink about this.
Without the Eagles, the sports pages are nothing in Philly. Phillies? Ha! Sixers? Double Ha! Flyers? Who??
Besides, investigative journalism is almost an oxymoron anymore. They're much happier coming up with witty puns for the morning's headlines than they are actually exposing a company who breads their butter on a daily basis.
hmmm lets see where this link under Gameday on the PhiladelphiaEagles.com site goes?
http://philadelphiaeagles.razorgator.com/
would those logo uses on the site be copyright infringment if the Eagles werent in co-hoots with Razor Gator?
lets face it as long as the great Govenor Rendell gets his box every week he doesnt give a rats arse either.
Saw this on the EMB:
Press release PDF announcing Eagles and RazorGator partnership (http://www.primesport.com/inc/press/Eagles-121605.pdf)
Quote"Eagles fans are renowned for their passionate support, not only at our home games, but at our away games as well," said Eagles senior vice president of business operations Mark Donovan. He continued, "We've partnered with RazorGator and PrimeSport to provide a service to our fans that creates access to tickets to home games and a "onestop shop" for away game trips."
Horseshtein!
How about this, Mark Donovan. How about you take those unwanted seats from season ticket holders and place them back into circulation?
Here's my suggestion:
Let's say I own season tickets and cannot make it to the Dallas game. I want to get rid of my seats but I don't want to mess around with eBay or anything like that. I call the Eagles ticket office and tell them that I cannot make it. They take my (however many seats I own) and place them in a pool. They then credit my account with the amount. That goes towards my seats next season. If I do not renew then they refund that money.
The tickets in that pool are then sold to fans at face just like the tickets were the other day.
Well what if some dickbag who buys my tickets acts like a moron and is ejected or arrested? Wouldn't I then face the possibility of losing my seats?
Yes, I would. If I sold them on eBay or somewhere else. But by returning them to the Eagles they KNOW I am not in those seats and therefore I am not held liable for some clown getting liquored up and acting like a fool.
The Eagles would also, like IGY suggested, require that the person purchasing tickets have a photo ID to pick them up via will call or make sure the billing address on my credit card matches the address they are sent to.
QuoteEagles-Cowboys tix are available, if you have lots of dough
By PAUL VIGNA
vignap@phillynews.com
As of late yesterday afternoon, there were around 1,500 tickets available on RazorGator.com for the Oct. 8 Eagles-Cowboys game at Lincoln Financial Field. They weren't cheap, averaging around $400 apiece.
It's politely called the secondary market, although it would have a different name - scalping - if folks made this sale in the shadow of Lincoln Financial Field rather than online.
Finding that reservoir of available tickets for all of the Birds' home games particularly rankled fans yesterday, a day after the team sold out its individual-game tickets in a matter of minutes.
Mark Donovan, the Eagles' senior vice president of business operations, heard the outcry. Wednesday's blink-of-an-eyelash sale had nothing to do, he said, with the volume of tickets available at that site and others.
"We did do a single-game sale," he said yesterday. "They went in minutes. They always do. It's the same number of tickets that we sell every year."
Now, RazorGator.com and the Birds are in the second year of what Donovan said was a "multiyear" contract. This isn't unique: RazorGator.com also has been tied in with the Patriots, 49ers and Seahawks, among others. Donovan said he knows of at least nine NFL teams that have a smiliar deal with StubHub.com, another ticket supplier.
RazorGator.com advertises on the Eagles' Web site, places ads in the team's programs and magazine, and composes a mailer that's sent to season-ticketholders. "They are an advertising partner only," Donovan said, "We have absolutely no involvement in a ticket transaction. We don't share in that."
It is accorded, he said, privileges consistent with Lincoln Financial and the team's many other partners, including tickets. He would not say how many, only that it's "a minuscule amount compared to the number they sell." RazorGator spokeswoman Kel Kelly yesterday described her company, which started in 2000, as a marketplace that "legitimizes what used to be back-alley scalping." Most of the sellers on the site, she added, are season-ticketholders.
Sellers are paid through PayPal, an online payment system, within 3 days after buyers have received their tickets. Prices can fluctuate during the posting. There's no ceiling, obvious by the seven seats in Section 120 that were going yesterday for more than $800 apiece. That Eagles-Cowboys game is still 16 weeks away.
What a fat load of B.S.
Who's this Paul Vigna fruit? Is he trying to be the next Spadaro?
three things that for whatever reason will not be addressed:
1. how many seats does razorgator own themselves....i guarantee it is a significant amount...and all of these seats are be scalped on their site
2. and this one really kills me......AGAIN....why are there single game sales when the team has a 60,000 person waiting list.....can someone...anyone answer this for me
3. why are you allowed to scalp on razorgator but not in the linc parking lot...the eagles themselves have said that the tickets being sold on razorgator are mostly eagle fans....why are season ticket holders being allowed to scalp there (or anywhere for that matter)
Oh, man...don't even get me started on PrimeSport. There's another backdoor sweetheart deal for the Eagles.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 16, 2006, 08:16:26 AM
Oh, man...don't even get me started on PrimeSport. There's another backdoor sweetheart deal for the Eagles.
primesport=razorgator
QuotePrimesport
Corporate Headquarters
11150 Santa Monica Blvd. Suite 500
Los Angeles, CA 90025
1-800-591-9198 (toll-free)
1-310-777-2525 (non-toll free)
1-310-777-2524 (Fax)
QuoteRazorGator, Inc.
11150 Santa Monica Blvd. Suite 500
Los Angeles, CA, 90025
U.S.A
Toll Free Phone: 800.542.4466
Direct Phone: 1.310.481.3400
QuoteEagles | Team denies ticket problem
Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:00:46 -0700
Marc Narducci, of the Philadelphia Inquirer, reports a Philadelphia Eagles official has denied allegations by fans that the team showed preference to a ticket broker when single-game tickets went on sale Wednesday, June 14. Angry fans accused the Eagles of giving large blocks of tickets to RazorGator.com to sell. RazorGator.com is a Web site on which fans can sell and buy tickets to many events. "We have no involvement whatsoever in any ticket transactions for the Web sites," said the Eagles official, who requested anonymity. RazorGator.com is an advertising partner of the Eagles. An advertisement for the site runs on the Eagles' Web site. In addition, as part of its agreement, RazorGator.com receives tickets for Eagles games, although team officials and RazorGator.com officials wouldn't specify how many.
link to actual article...
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14829341.htm
QuoteIn addition, as part of its agreement, RazorGator.com receives tickets for Eagles games, although team officials and RazorGator.com officials wouldn't specify how many.
doesnt that basically prove what we have been saying?
basically
The Eagles are saying the amount they receive is a mere pittance compared to the amount for sale on their site.
Rendell wont do schtein about this either! Eagles fan and all he could take some personal interest considering how he is a "die-hard" Eagles fan. Funny how they say Pats are on Stubhub.com yet a few years ago they revoked ticket privileges to season ticket holders selling on Ebay.
doesnt that basically prove what we have been saying?
mos def
but id also like to know how many tickets total they have...not just ones that the eagles give them but ones they purchased on their own
and i dont care if the eagles only give them a pair of seats...thats two seats to a ticket scalping agency that are not going to someone on the waiting list....its not like the governer or mayor or some other vip is getting them...its a TICKET SCALPER
why does mike tice get reamed for scalping his super bowl tickets yet an nfl team is allowed to do this
the Eagles really stuck it to the fans over the last few years. VIP seats in the end zones 1st rows. Sect 101 VIP what a load of bunk. All yuppie scum playing with their Blackberries with no real interest in the game. Same ones who report you if you yell too much or let out an obscenity now and then.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 16, 2006, 09:34:20 AM
the Eagles really stuck it to the fans over the last few years. VIP seats in the end zones 1st rows. Sect 101 VIP what a load of bunk. All yuppie scum playing with their Blackberries with no real interest in the game. Same ones who report you if you yell too much or let out an obscenity now and then.
Hey, you're reducing their enjoyment of the game, like smokers reduce the enjoyment of sitting in a bar and drinking for non-smokers!6
yep
id give a limb to be back in the vet
at least the tailgating is as good as ever
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2006, 09:31:48 AM
doesnt that basically prove what we have been saying?
mos def
but id also like to know how many tickets total they have...not just ones that the eagles give them but ones they purchased on their own
and i dont care if the eagles only give them a pair of seats...thats two seats to a ticket scalping agency that are not going to someone on the waiting list....its not like the governer or mayor or some other vip is getting them...its a TICKET SCALPER
why does mike tice get reamed for scalping his super bowl tickets yet an nfl team is allowed to do this
Shouldn't this be easy to figure out? It would be the seats they have for sale in all 8 games. It would take some time to figure it out, but not a lot of effort.
Shouldn't this be easy to figure out? It would be the seats they have for sale in all 8 games. It would take some time to figure it out, but not a lot of effort.
good point....but thats only if they list them all at one time...whos to say they dont add seats thruout the season at different times...so that it doesnt look like they own a ton of seats...its also possible they sell their own seats by other means and that they dont post some or all of them on their site for the public to see
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2006, 09:45:08 AM
Shouldn't this be easy to figure out? It would be the seats they have for sale in all 8 games. It would take some time to figure it out, but not a lot of effort.
good point....but thats only if they list them all at one time...whos to say they dont add seats thruout the season at different times...so that it doesnt look like they own a ton of seats...its also possible they sell their own seats by other means and that they dont post some or all of them on their site for the public to see
you could go to the site and look
Quote from: MURP on June 16, 2006, 09:17:44 AM
QuoteIn addition, as part of its agreement, RazorGator.com receives tickets for Eagles games, although team officials and RazorGator.com officials wouldn't specify how many.
doesnt that basically prove what we have been saying?
Don't all of their advertising partners receive tickets as part of the deal? The only issue with this would be if they received a greater number of seats than an advertiser of similar revenue would receive.
The only issue with this would be if they received a greater number of seats than an advertiser of similar revenue would receive.
i think the fact that they are a ticket scalper might also be an issue
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Don't all of their advertising partners receive tickets as part of the deal? The only issue with this would be if they received a greater number of seats than an advertiser of similar revenue would receive.
i would say its different to give, say, Turkey Hill tickets that they give to clients and such rather than to give a ticket broker (scalper) who more than likely sells them
Also, if laws prohibit the sale of tickets over a certain % markup in PA and also prevent people from exchanging tickets in the parking lot before the game, then they should govern these broker sites, at least to some extent.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 16, 2006, 10:02:50 AM
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
Don't all of their advertising partners receive tickets as part of the deal? The only issue with this would be if they received a greater number of seats than an advertiser of similar revenue would receive.
i would say its different to give, say, Turkey Hill tickets that they give to clients and such rather than to give a ticket broker (scalper) who more than likely sells them
that and razorgator is based in california...i dont see what they would do with tickets t games in philadelphia other than sell them.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 16, 2006, 09:34:20 AM
the Eagles really stuck it to the fans over the last few years. VIP seats in the end zones 1st rows. Sect 101 VIP what a load of bunk. All yuppie scum playing with their Blackberries with no real interest in the game. Same ones who report you if you yell too much or let out an obscenity now and then.
"Real" fans are the bestest.
:yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 16, 2006, 10:05:39 AM
"Real" fans are the bestest.
:yay
How many games a year do you actually attend, you season ticket holder you?
more importantly, where do you go more?
Eagles games or Jags games?
As many as I can afford.
Last year I went to three at the Linc.
This year will probably be the same. My buddy Joe (some of you have met him) gets the rest of the tickets.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2006, 10:01:21 AM
The only issue with this would be if they received a greater number of seats than an advertiser of similar revenue would receive.
i think the fact that they are a ticket scalper might also be an issue
The advertising relationship would be a seperate issue & is not a smart move on the Eagles part. I can't see the revenue generated, being worth the perceived conflict of interest.
What I'm saying, is that these "partners" are
all given seats for use by their execs or for entertaining clients. Regardless of the nature of Razorgator, the act of giving them tickets would only be an issue if it was found that they were receiving a greater number than other vendor partners of similar revenue, for the expressed interest of resale on their site.
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 16, 2006, 10:09:32 AM
more importantly, where do you go more?
Eagles games or Jags games?
Dude... seriously, shut the farg up.
:-D
i can't help that you have deep guilt about once being a Jags season ticket holder.
Regardless of the nature of Razorgator, the act of giving them tickets would only be an issue if it was found that they were receiving a greater number than other vendor partners of similar revenue, for the expressed interest of resale on their site.
what if it were found that razorgater was taking the tickets they receive and scalping them thru their site
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 16, 2006, 10:09:42 AM
This year will probably be the same. My buddy Joe (some of you have met him) gets the rest of the tickets.
I always thought that Joe was a great, great man & worthy of much respect.
wow what a bunch of whiners
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2006, 10:14:14 AM
Regardless of the nature of Razorgator, the act of giving them tickets would only be an issue if it was found that they were receiving a greater number than other vendor partners of similar revenue, for the expressed interest of resale on their site.
what if it were found that razorgater was taking the tickets they receive and scalping them thru their site
Then obviously it's a problem. What if Turkey Hill execs were found scalping tickets on E-bay?
I'm not defending them, just saying that an exchange of tickets between the Eagles & their advertising partners is not an unethical process. Giving them to a partner with the clear intent for them to be resold is unethical.
Then obviously it's a problem. What if Turkey Hill execs were found scalping tickets on E-bay?
same consequences...of course youre not going to across the board stop scalping...but thats a far cry from giving ticket to and having a relationship with an actual scalper
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 16, 2006, 10:11:12 AM
i can't help that you have deep guilt about once being a Jags season ticket holder.
Being a season ticket holder got me into the Super Bowl at face value.
Trust me, not only don't I have any guilt about it, I actually benefitted greatly from it. Donating the lion's share of tickets to the USO in Jacksonville made me feel pretty good plus I got a nice tax break too.
So, Ha. ;)
@ Beermonkey... yeah, he is a pretty cool dude. We've been friends for almost 35 years now.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 16, 2006, 10:23:31 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 16, 2006, 10:11:12 AM
i can't help that you have deep guilt about once being a Jags season ticket holder.
Being a season ticket holder got me into the Super Bowl at face value.
Trust me, not only don't I have any guilt about it, I actually benefitted greatly from it. Donating the lion's share of tickets to the USO in Jacksonville made me feel pretty good plus I got a nice tax break too.
So, Ha. ;)
eh, i'm breaking your balls and right away your getting fargin fresh
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got my first response....from narducci...
We tried to get how many seats RazorGator gets from the Eagles, but weren't successful. As for your scalping question, the ticket brokers get around it by saying they are providing a service (i.e., mailing the tickets, getting them the seats). I think that is weak, but they get away with it.
The reason game sales are done is to give the so-called fan who can't get a season ticket a chance to purchase tickets. Unfortunately, they usually get gobbled up by people looking to sell them through ticket brokers.
While nothing illegal is going on, I think that for an NFL team to have a relationship with a place that sells that team's tickets at a marked-up price leaves a bad taste with the fan.
Thanks for the note.
Marc
So the Eagles aren't going to spill the beans, huh?
Figures.
Just f'ing come out and tell the fans the truth. Don't lie or try and make limpdick excuses for your questionable business practices.
Just say "hey, RazorGator pays us a ton of money in ad revenues so they get first crack at whatever tickets are left over."
How hard would that be? Jesus... I swear, the Eagles are like the Stazi with the disinformation they pawn off to the fans.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 16, 2006, 10:19:32 AM
wow what a bunch of whiners
i'm just pizzed that i couldn't get tix to sell on ebay.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 16, 2006, 10:19:32 AM
wow what a bunch of whiners
You should head on over to the smoking ban thread then.
the Eagles are basically selling the tickets to an out of state vendor to avoid scalping laws! Also wasnt part of their agreement with the city for the stadium to provide the fans a certain amount of tickets each year?
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 16, 2006, 10:52:17 AM
Also wasnt part of their agreement with the city for the stadium to provide the fans a certain amount of tickets each year?
that's probably true because yesterday spew said something about the eagles making the "required" number of single game tix available to the public. i wasn't sure what he was talking about because i know some teams have nothing but season tix...but he must've been talking about the agreement with the city.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 16, 2006, 10:52:17 AM
the Eagles are basically selling the tickets to an out of state vendor to avoid scalping laws! Also wasnt part of their agreement with the city for the stadium to provide the fans a certain amount of tickets each year?
It has yet to be proven that any tickets were sold to Razorgator by the Eagles. According to Spads, the exact same amount of tickets that was made available to the public as last year, was made available this year.
QuoteThe Eagles have made available to the public the EXACT same number of tickets for single-game sales since the opening of Lincoln Financial Field.
All that proves is that if they are, in fact, doing something shady, they've been doing it for years and years.
I still haven't found corroboration but I distinctly remember reading an article in one of the Philly papers that stated that 10,000 single-game tickets per game would be made available by the Eagles.
If my Googling skills weren't so atrocious, I'd find a link to the story.
that's probably true because yesterday spew said something about the eagles making the "required" number of single game tix available to the public. i wasn't sure what he was talking about because i know some teams have nothing but season tix...but he must've been talking about the agreement with the city.
that explains that part of it and thats acceptable...but the actual sale of said tickets should be run in a much better and more secure fashion...ie the will call process i previously mentioned....if you have an agreement to get x amount of tickets to the fans each year then make sure they get directly to the fans
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 10:56:50 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 16, 2006, 10:52:17 AM
the Eagles are basically selling the tickets to an out of state vendor to avoid scalping laws! Also wasnt part of their agreement with the city for the stadium to provide the fans a certain amount of tickets each year?
It has yet to be proven that any tickets were sold to Razorgator by the Eagles. According to Spads, the exact same amount of tickets that was made available to the public as last year, was made available this year.
cmon both you and I know that tickets exchanged hands for cash between the Eagles and Razorgator. they probably paid 200% for the tickets and agreed to give the Eagles kickbacks on the profit that Razorgator makes on the tickets.
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 16, 2006, 11:09:56 AM
that's probably true because yesterday spew said something about the eagles making the "required" number of single game tix available to the public. i wasn't sure what he was talking about because i know some teams have nothing but season tix...but he must've been talking about the agreement with the city.
that explains that part of it and thats acceptable...but the actual sale of said tickets should be run in a much better and more secure fashion...ie the will call process i previously mentioned....if you have an agreement to get x amount of tickets to the fans each year then make sure they get directly to the fans
i thought the number of tickets was about 1000 for each game. If you really want to know you might be able to figure it out by the number of preseason ticket packages that the Eagles have available. those 4 ticket 4 soda 4 hot dog deals are what i mean for the preseason.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 10:56:50 AM
According to Spads, the exact same amount of tickets that was made available to the public as last year, was made available this year.
if that's true, it shows that brokers have a huge advantage with internet sales compared to phone sales.
if that's true, it shows that brokers have a huge advantage with internet sales compared to phone sales.
they have a huge advantage period...not only do they employ massive numbers of people trying to get tickets but they have all the latest technology in getting them....and thats WITHOUT having an in with the team itself
Here's Spad's last words on the subject:
QuoteThis is my final post here: The ticket count is under 150. Period. That's the truth. The Eagles make no money on the deal other than the advertising, which is substantial and perfectly fine for a marketing business that is judged by its bottom line.
RazorGator is a perfectly legal system, and the overwhelming majority of the tickets sold come from the fans.
I have nothing left to say. That is my stance, that the Eagles are doing good, honest business like many teams in the league. The Eagles treat the fans well, love the fans and respect the fans. It is wonderful having such passionate fans.
I understand there is disappointment that more single-game seats aren't available. It's a tough ticket, no doubt. I thank you for the support and we can close this thread any time. I have read your complaints and I hear you and I appreciate your points of view.
yeah...i just meant that their technology advantage must be greater with internet sales than with phone sales.
with the phone only sales, i've always been able to get tix to 2 games...this year with internet sales allowed, nada.
in other words: grab your ankles and spell run
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 16, 2006, 11:11:38 AM
cmon both you and I know that tickets exchanged hands for cash between the Eagles and Razorgator. they probably paid 200% for the tickets and agreed to give the Eagles kickbacks on the profit that Razorgator makes on the tickets.
As much as I think the Razorgator deal was a horrendous marketing blunder, I think your theory is a little out there.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
Here's Spad's last words on the subject:
QuoteThis is my final post here: The ticket count is under 150. Period. That's the truth. The Eagles make no money on the deal other than the advertising, which is substantial and perfectly fine for a marketing business that is judged by its bottom line.
RazorGator is a perfectly legal system, and the overwhelming majority of the tickets sold come from the fans.
I have nothing left to say. That is my stance, that the Eagles are doing good, honest business like many teams in the league. The Eagles treat the fans well, love the fans and respect the fans. It is wonderful having such passionate fans.
I understand there is disappointment that more single-game seats aren't available. It's a tough ticket, no doubt. I thank you for the support and we can close this thread any time. I have read your complaints and I hear you and I appreciate your points of view.
if something shady were going on, the eagles' sure as hell wouldn't have spew issue a confession on the message board...it's clear that the eagles have no interest in preventing scalpers from fleecing eagles' fans.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 16, 2006, 08:56:26 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 16, 2006, 08:16:26 AM
Oh, man...don't even get me started on PrimeSport. There's another backdoor sweetheart deal for the Eagles.
primesport=razorgator
Well now that figures. Fargers.
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
Here's Spad's last words on the subject:
QuoteThis is my final post here: The ticket count is under 150. Period. That's the truth. The Eagles make no money on the deal other than the advertising, which is substantial and perfectly fine for a marketing business that is judged by its bottom line.
RazorGator is a perfectly legal system, and the overwhelming majority of the tickets sold come from the fans.
I have nothing left to say. That is my stance, that the Eagles are doing good, honest business like many teams in the league. The Eagles treat the fans well, love the fans and respect the fans. It is wonderful having such passionate fans.
I understand there is disappointment that more single-game seats aren't available. It's a tough ticket, no doubt. I thank you for the support and we can close this thread any time. I have read your complaints and I hear you and I appreciate your points of view.
someone should go over to the EMB and post this....
Quote from: Wingspan on June 15, 2006, 01:33:27 PM
Lincoln Financial Field Website (http://www.lincolnfinancialfield.com/guest/a-z.jsp)
QuoteTicket Scalping
Lincoln Financial Field Ticket Scalping Policy prohibits the resale of an event ticket at a price higher than face value, regardless of the price paid for the ticket and regardless where the resale occurs. Violators of this stadium policy or any local laws will be asked to leave the premises and may be subject to legal repercussions.
Prohibited Items And Behavior
In conjunction with the National Football League and out of concern for the safety of our Guests and employees, the following are prohibited:
Smoking (except in designated areas)
Bags larger than 12" x 12" x 12"
Alcohol
Animals (except service animals to aid Guests with disabilities)
Bottles (glass or plastic) and Cans*
Thermoses
Food not wrapped in clear plastic*
Beverages*
Hard Sided Coolers*
Umbrellas
Fireworks, Firearms and Weapons of any kind
Footballs
Laser Pointers
Noisemakers
Signs or Flags on sticks or poles
Strollers
Video Cameras and Video Capable Cell Phones
Resale of Tickets (check local laws)
Profanity
Throwing Objects
Trespassing, Soliciting, Peddling and Loitering
Any other item or action deemed dangerous or inappropriate
Guests who appear to be inebriated and unmanageable will not be permitted admittance into the stadium. Any attempt to bring alcohol into the stadium will be considered a violation of the Code of Conduct and may result in the Guest being ejected, arrested or tickets being revoked All persons and/or their belongings are subject to search. Violators of the rules of any State or City laws will be refused admission, asked to leave or ejected from stadium property. * Exceptions will be made for those with medical requirements and/or special needs. Police Room
The Police Room is located on the Service Level near the loading dock on the East side of the stadium. Any Guest inquiring about someone who has been removed from the seating bowl by police should be referred to Guest Services Centers located in Sections 121, 136, 206 and 226.
how do they explain violating the terms of one partner to appease another partner?
I think numerous people have posted or referred to that. Of course, there is no response.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 16, 2006, 11:07:48 AM
I still haven't found corroboration but I distinctly remember reading an article in one of the Philly papers that stated that 10,000 single-game tickets per game would be made available by the Eagles.
If my Googling skills weren't so atrocious, I'd find a link to the story.
yeah 9000 for the preseason, 1000 for reg season games in total :deion
how do they explain violating the terms of one partner to appease another partner?
that contridiction is so blatantly in your face its absurd
in the immortal words of pg....
:puke
i just logged onto ticketmaster and got 4 tickets to the panthers game
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on June 16, 2006, 11:11:38 AM
cmon both you and I know that tickets exchanged hands for cash between the Eagles and Razorgator. they probably paid 200% for the tickets and agreed to give the Eagles kickbacks on the profit that Razorgator makes on the tickets.
As much as I think the Razorgator deal was a horrendous marketing blunder, I think your theory is a little out there.
The problem is (and anyone who's gone through HOURS of ethics training will agree) is that you don't have to do something unethical - appearing to do something unethical is enough. And this reeks of unethical behavior.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new stadium, conceived in Lurie, and dedicated to the proposition that all tickets are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great scalping war, testing whether that fans, or any scalpers so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of stadium, as a final resting place for those who here gave their paychecks that that scalpers might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- face value printed on our tickets. The brave fans, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to keep tickets in the hands of scalpers. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly raised the market value of our tickets. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored fans we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last penny in their Lincoln Financial Mutual Funds -- that we here highly resolve that these scalpers shall not have partnered in vein -- that this stadium, under Razorgator, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not sell tickets at face value.
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Quote from: MadMarchHare on June 16, 2006, 11:48:38 AM
The problem is (and anyone who's gone through HOURS of ethics training will agree) is that you don't have to do something unethical - appearing to do something unethical is enough. And this reeks of unethical behavior.
Of course, it's as fishy as hell and a very, very bad decision.
I just think that his (Phillywin2k5) conspiracy theory is a little extreme.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 16, 2006, 11:48:10 AM
i just logged onto ticketmaster and got 4 tickets to the panthers game
When are you putting them on E-bay? Can I have one? :D
The bottom line is the Eagles, or any other professional team, wants as little contact with the Fan as possible. They just want to run their business the way they want to. Tickets go out, revenue comes in. They don't want to staff will call booths, check I.D.'s, or differentiate between Fan and Scalper. All of that takes money and time they are not willing to part with.
They do rely on the emotional investment the Fan puts into their team; being a "Fan" is almost at type of addiction. The teams have the occasional Carnival and allow training camp access to feed that addiction. In the end, the Fan will buy tickets for whatever the price from whomever to get their fix. The only way to change this relationship is to boycott the stub-hub's/ razor-gators. Seats won't be filled, and money won't exchange hands.
Unfortunately, that's not going to happen anytime soon.
I just bought four for the San Francisco game via Ticketmaster presale.
The password is: NINERS (case sensitive).
Quote from: Beermonkey on June 16, 2006, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 16, 2006, 11:48:10 AM
i just logged onto ticketmaster and got 4 tickets to the panthers game
When are you putting them on E-bay? Can I have one? :D
did i say 4? i meant none.
i did get tix to dallas and giants over the phone though.
Quote from: phattymatty on June 16, 2006, 12:42:15 PM
did i say 4? i meant none.
i did get tix to dallas and giants over the phone though.
Come on, I'll trade my wife's "Wicked" tickets for them.
Yeah, get tickets for this...farg TO..
QuoteBirds have their focus back
By JEFF OFFORD
phillyBurbs.com
Remember what a dysfunctional mess the Eagles were this time last year?
There was the on-going Corey Simon fiasco, the daily Brian Westbrook saga, and, of course, the never-ending soap opera involving Terrell Owens.
What a difference a year makes.
Yesterday, the Eagles finished their final post-draft minicamp of 2006 all smiles. The Birds held practice at the team's NovaCare Complex in the morning before breaking camp. Yesterday's practice culminated a two-week Organized Training Activity that went off without a hitch.
Wide receiver Todd Pinkston and cornerback Sheldon Brown, both recovering from injuries, returned to practice last week. Yesterday, another of the team's wounded, Lito Sheppard, made his return.
Just as importantly, the team suffered through none of the outside distractions that plagued the team last spring.
No contract squabbles.
No feuds with management.
No player throwing another player under a bus.
This time around, the Eagles did what other teams do this time of year.
They actually focused on football.
"We've only had one year where we've had problems since I've been here,'' Brown said. "This is what we're accustomed to. We're back to normal.''
The Eagles will not practice as a team again until training camp starts at Lehigh University in late July. In the meantime, most of the Birds will take some time off to relax. Even workaholic head coach Andy Reid says he's planning a vacation.
"I'll take a little bit of time off, a couple weeks,'' Reid said. "Enjoy life for a little bit."
The Eagles had every veteran report to camp for the first time since 2002. They also suffered no major injuries.
"Last year was disappointing enough, so this year everybody came into camp ready to work,'' Eagles center Jamaal Jackson said. "All we're doing right now is focus on winning.''
Reid said yesterday that he's obviously thrilled with how well the team's post-draft minicamps have gone. He expects the action at training camp to be hot and heavy, with veterans and newcomers battling for position.
"Some of the early years (of Reid's tenure), there was a tremendous amount of competition,'' Reid said. "You could pick out certain positions throughout the years here that haven't been (so competitive, but probably overall this is going to be like the first couple years."
whole article (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-06162006-671138.html)
The feel good homer in me is happy!
The Eagles had every veteran report to camp for the first time since 2002. They also suffered no major injuries.
thats because anyone who was even a little bit hurt didnt participate
and what exactly is a little bit hurt?
and what exactly is a little bit hurt?
aids?
compared to aids...a abdominal hernia is a little bit hurt.
and when in the flying frog hair farg of nature will you learn to use the quote button?!?!?
Quote from: Diomedes on June 15, 2006, 08:55:32 AM
Quote from: stalker on June 15, 2006, 08:46:15 AMQuote from: Bunkley78 on June 15, 2006, 12:02:43 AMThe way the Eagles attacked free agency this year, it wouldn\\\'t surprise me that Lurie and Banner are trying to pocket a few extra bucks.
You are more than a little retarded.
post of the year, not least for irony points
Why is this ironic?
So I have two tickets to the October 2nd game vs. Green Bay, but may not be able to make it. Is there a forum to trade tickets? Is anybody interested in trading?
i hear RazorGator works nicely
I don't want to just sell them though. I would like to trade them for two tickets to a different game.
so i actually registered on the EMB and made 1 post noticing how there seems to be a lot of people selling 10 more seats in a row, in the same section of every game for $200 a peice, while the LFF website says thats a no-no.
and i reposted my modernized gettysburg address...
QuoteFour score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new stadium, conceived in Lurie, and dedicated to the proposition that all tickets are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great scalping war, testing whether that fans, or any scalpers so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of stadium, as a final resting place for those who here gave their paychecks that that scalpers might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- face value printed on our tickets. The brave fans, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to keep tickets in the hands of scalpers. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly raised the market value of our tickets. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored fans we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last penny in their Lincoln Financial Mutual Funds -- that we here highly resolve that these scalpers shall not have partnered in vein -- that this stadium, under Razorgator, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not sell tickets at face value.
i think i was completely deleted and banned before i hit the post button...damn they are fast.
i dont know who i hate more on those boards the posters or the mods
it is unreal how quickly they will delete something they dont like...i cant count the number of times ive had posts deleted there within five seconds of hitting the send button
Which Mod do you hate the most? >:D
easy
you guys realize that most of the mods over there are active posters here right?
sure...but that doesnt mean i care.
are they getting free tickets?
what does that have to do with anything
just saying. why not just ask them?
i dont think biged76 has chimed in here yet.
then again, he's probably rolling around naked in 22 tickets for section 206
why not just ask them?
i dont have any questions for them
Quote from: ice grillin you on June 22, 2006, 05:04:51 PM
why not just ask them?
i dont have any questions for them
they taking their orders from "Don" Carlin anyway on the matter.
Mods 5, 7 and 12(?)* can go spit. >:D
*(for some reason I'm blanking on which one Rome is...)
11 can lick a nut too.
i have always had problems registering an account over there. i tried 3 times, never went through. i said farg it. never been on it, never will. too many complaints to give a damn. besides there is only the occasional numb nut every few months or so on here. they ususally don't stick around too long. heh, well there are the exceptions... :)
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oh IGY, there is worse than you. ur growing on me. like a scabby open sore on your banger. plus, every group needs a wigger to make fun of. ;)
i had the same problem Mussa. Tried probably 5 times to get registerd and never got on. I eventually ran across this board searching google for Draft predictions. Considering the idiots that make their way over here from there, im lucky never got registered.
There are some cool mods on the EMB now. But we they aren't modding as much as they used to.
QuoteUpdate from today's Daily News:
Scalping in Birdland?
By DAVE DAVIES
LINCOLN Financial Field's scalping policy, as stated on its Web site, prohibits "the resale of an event ticket at a price higher than face value, regardless of the price paid for the ticket and regardless where the resale occurs."
But when the Eagles' Web site - separate from the Linc's - announced June 14 that single-game tickets for next season had sold out within an hour, the story ended on this hopeful note: "Still looking for tickets? Go to RazorGator.com where fans can buy or sell tickets... "
Indeed, thousands of tickets are advertised there, but at prices that violate the 25 percent markup limit under Pennsylvania's anti-scalping law.
Cowboys-Eagles tickets, for example, average around $400 apiece on RazorGator, with some running as high as $900. The face value of the tickets runs from $65 to $80 for seats in the stands and as high as $350 for the enclosed Club seating area.
The lack of access to tickets except from scalpers has left more than a few Eagles fans mighty ticked off.
"When this happened, we got a flood of calls from people who said the ticket sales [from the Eagles Web site] were closed in a matter of seconds, literally seconds," said WIP-AM sports-talk host Angelo Cataldi.
"Now regular Joes can't go see a game unless they pay four or five times the value, and the team is actually suggesting that they go to scalpers," said Tony, a longtime Eagles fan who declined to give his last name to the Daily News.
He and others who vented their fury on talk shows and Internet sites wonder if the Eagles shoveled tickets this year to RazorGator in return for a piece of the scalpers' action.
The Eagles insist they did no such thing. "This is crazy," said Eagles president Joe Banner.
"The same number of single-game tickets were available this year as last year, and it's more than when we were at the Vet," Banner said. "What was different this year was that, in response to fan complaints, we made them available through the Internet as well as Ticketmaster, so they went that much more quickly."
While no evidence has emerged of an improper relationship between the Eagles and RazorGator, the quick sellout of tickets and the Birds' promotion of the site clearly have touched a nerve.
The controversy in part reflects fans' schizophrenic attitude toward ticket-scalping: We hate getting gouged for seats, but at times will pay a fortune to anybody willing to part with a ticket for the big game.
And while ticket resales at more than a 25 percent markup are illegal in Pennsylvania, they are widely practiced - and authorities say an out-of-state Web site like RazorGator is probably beyond the reach of state law.
Banner sees nothing mysterious or unusual in the Eagles' relationship with RazorGator, a national ticket-resale exchange based in Beverly Hills, Calif. It's simply an advertiser in the Eagles' stadium, in the team's publications and on its Web site, Banner said.
And while the Eagles give RazorGator and other business partners a small number of tickets for their own use, the Eagles don't give them tickets for resale and get nothing from RazorGator's marketing of tickets, Banner said.
"The cynicism and distrust in that question is offensive," Banner said, "and I wonder why it's not asked of anyone else."
Banner noted that several teams have marketing arrangements with sites like RazorGator and StubHub, and that expensive tickets for concerts and sporting events everywhere appear on Web sites for sale.
Still, the distrust persists. WIP host Glen Macnow said he got 25 to 30 calls on his Saturday show from fans who wonder how so many tickets ended up on RazorGator so quickly.
"What's difficult to believe is that hundreds and hundreds of Eagles fans independently would decide to sell their tickets for the Cowboys game, the biggest of the year, and by coincidence sell them through RazorGator," Macnow said.
But even if RazorGator is nothing more to the Eagles than an advertising partner, many see hypocrisy in the Eagles promoting the resale of its tickets.
"My biggest complaint about this is that they've gotten in bed with a scalper," Cataldi said.
Asked if promoting RazorGator is inconsistent with Lincoln Financial Field's anti-scalping policy, Banner said, "I think we're playing with semantics here. We accept advertising from a variety of places - including, in this case, a Web site."
The deals available on RazorGator and other Web sites would be illegal if the resales occurred in Pennsylvania, but a transaction through an out-of-state Web site is a murkier issue, according to Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Barry Creany.
Some fans regard scalping as a time-honored tradition and a useful service for those who want to splurge on a game now and then.
"OMG [Oh my God,] People! This is crazy. The Eagles are a hot team, who sells their tickets fast and markets their product well," wrote one fan on an Eagles Internet bulletin board. "If you did not get tickets (and I am one of you by the way) then that's that. Watch it on TV or buy them at inflated prices. Just stop the damn crying."
Other fans say that they aren't troubled by a season-ticket holder selling a game or two, but that too many season tickets go to people or brokers who aren't fans but predators, buying them just to make a killing.
Should the Eagles pick and choose to whom they sell? In an unusual step last year, the Washington taterskins revoked the season tickets of an undisclosed number of people who were auctioning them on the Internet.
Since the team knew who had which tickets and the seat numbers were on the Internet auctions, it wasn't particularly hard detective work.
"It was pretty obvious which blocks of tickets were up for sale again and again," said taterskins spokesman Carl Swanson.
Eagles fan Tony said if the same thing were done in Philadelphia, more tickets would become available for real fans.
"This is a crazy theory," Banner said of the idea that the team should crack down on scalpers. Discouraging the resale of tickets would actually make fewer tickets available to the public, he said.
Banner also wondered why fans (or reporters) are suddenly obsessed with scalping Eagles tickets when the practice is so widespread in other sports and entertainment events.
Indeed, scalping prosecutions are rare, and in 2001 the city of Pittsburgh decided to permit scalpers to hawk tickets around stadiums as long as they bought a $250 license and wore it around their necks.
The city later decided to limit scalping to a small area between Pittsburgh's football and baseball stadiums.
Creany, the deputy attorney general, said one of the few recent enforcement actions against a large scalping operation occurred in 2000, when the AG's office sued the Ohio-based ticket dealer Front Row for hawking tickets to shows by the Backstreet Boys and John Mellencamp at Penn State's Bryce Jordan Center.
Creany said the action was prompted by complaints from operators of the center, and it was legally possible because Front Row advertised tickets in Pennsylvania newspapers.
Web sites outside the state are much harder to prosecute, Creany said.
Quote"This is a crazy theory," Banner said of the idea that the team should crack down on scalpers. Discouraging the resale of tickets would actually make fewer tickets available to the public, he said.
huh?
banner couldn't be more wrong...all the season ticket holders who have 4 seats even though they only use 2 would no longer be able to scalp their extra seats...plus all the brokers who have season tix for the sole purpose of scalping them.
everybody does it so it must be okay, right banner?
"The cynicism and distrust in that question is offensive," Banner said, "and I wonder why it's not asked of anyone else."
Sounds like getting your hand caught in the cookie jar to me. Is it really that offensive Mr Banner...I mean really?
QuoteShould the Eagles pick and choose to whom they sell? In an unusual step last year, the Washington taterskins revoked the season tickets of an undisclosed number of people who were auctioning them on the Internet.
Since the team knew who had which tickets and the seat numbers were on the Internet auctions, it wasn't particularly hard detective work.
"It was pretty obvious which blocks of tickets were up for sale again and again," said taterskins spokesman Carl Swanson.
this may be the first thing i respect coming from the taterskins...i just threw up a little saying that.
Quote
Eagles fan Tony said if the same thing were done in Philadelphia, more tickets would become available for real fans.
"This is a crazy theory," Banner said of the idea that the team should crack down on scalpers. Discouraging the resale of tickets would actually make fewer tickets available to the public, he said.
Joe Banner is a certifiable idiot. Bar none that is the STUPIDEST thing he has ever uttered. He is a goddamn embarassment.
Quote from: hunt on June 26, 2006, 09:46:29 AM
Quote"This is a crazy theory," Banner said of the idea that the team should crack down on scalpers. Discouraging the resale of tickets would actually make fewer tickets available to the public, he said.
huh?
banner couldn't be more wrong...all the season ticket holders who have 4 seats even though they only use 2 would no longer be able to scalp their extra seats...plus all the brokers who have season tix for the sole purpose of scalping them.
everybody does it so it must be okay, right banner?
B-B-But they have a 60 kajillion person wait list!
Eagles fan Tony is a farging psycho. Trust me when I say this.
BTW: Did you guys catch some of the comments people offered on that story? Pretty good ones. :angel:
QuoteI've got excellent seats available if anyone's interested.
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;D
:-D
Some of the comments there are similar to what I was reading on Spew's board. Let's all support Joe Banner and tell him he's doing the right thing by pissing in the faces of all the hard-working fans who would like to attend games. Sheesh.
Assuming that Joe Banner (or Jeff Lurie, for that matter) gives a damn about hardworking Eagles fans is your problem here, Sus.
They don't. For that matter, I doubt they care about the ones who fill the suites either.
To them, the Eagles are a business. To us, they're a way of life.
Meh, I've never assumed that they care about us. I do object to Banner giving us the shaft while he's acting like somebody just insulted his mother, though.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 26, 2006, 10:17:16 AM
Quote from: hunt on June 26, 2006, 09:46:29 AM
Quote"This is a crazy theory," Banner said of the idea that the team should crack down on scalpers. Discouraging the resale of tickets would actually make fewer tickets available to the public, he said.
huh?
banner couldn't be more wrong...all the season ticket holders who have 4 seats even though they only use 2 would no longer be able to scalp their extra seats...plus all the brokers who have season tix for the sole purpose of scalping them.
everybody does it so it must be okay, right banner?
B-B-But they have a 60 kajillion person wait list!
Giants fans have been waiting longer for tix. They have had a 25 year waiting list since the early 90s so the Eagles shouldnt bother with their beer goggles seeing everything pretty.
Joe Banner is a certifiable idiot. Bar none that is the STUPIDEST thing he has ever uttered. He is a goddamn embarassment.
banner is reprehensible on so many levels its not even funny but his stance and repsonse on this issue is a new low even for him...he is dusgusting and i need to take a shower even reading things he says
he has the gall to say hes offended by us in this case....unreal....i cant wait for the day he leaves...hopefully it will be because he has died
Actually, I'm way more offended by his suggestion that this is a semantic issue. Bullshtein! It's an ethical issue, and a classic one at that. You could put this whole situation in a "What not to do" ethics tape. It's not a matter of "if" you do something unethical, it's a matter of whether it can be construed as unethical. And this shtein stinks.
I always thought the "Golden Standard of the NFL" was the dumbest thing uttered from the Eagles FO. :)
"gold standard" = "mission accomplished"
i wanted to make that clip my avatar for awhile now, but could never find a short version of it anywhere. damn you
guess you lose
again
qb bills
i was hammered and in no condition to play at that time...a rematch will reveal my true colors
we shall soon see.
so i got my giants tix already a few days ago but not my dallas tickets. just called them and it says they were sent out last week. something is screwy down here with the mail.
That's why I get mine via e-mail. Much easier. I've had the tickets since 10 minutes after purchase.
Now, all I need is Phreak's money for the Panthers game. :deion
Too bad you're not going to the Dallas game, bro.
i'm selling two tickets for the Dallas game at face value to the 1st person who PM's me
just kidding
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 27, 2006, 11:00:01 AM
Too bad you're not going to the Dallas game, bro.
I may not even get to watch it on TV.
There's always Tivo.
I finally got ahold of my ticket guy, I was able to get 2 games, Jacksonville and Carolina :crazy
QuoteTEAM INVOLVEMENT WITH SCALPING CONTINUES
Last month, there was a hue and cry in the city of steak and cheese regarding the circumstances surrounding the sale of single-game tickets. Eagles' seats were available at 10:00 a.m. on June 15, and completely gone within seconds.
Meanwhile, the team's offical web site reminded fans that plenty of marked-up tickets were available through RazorGator.com, including plenty of seats for T.O.'s October return to Philly as a member of the Cowboys.
On Saturday, the Titans sold out most of their single-game seats. But a quick series of clicks on the team's web site leads to Ticketmaster's "ticketexchange" program, which allows seats bought through Tickermaster to be re-sold at a markup.
Though the Ticketmaster program doesn't yet appear to be a vehicle for scalpers (indeed, an October visit to Tennessee from the Cowboys has no tickets available through the "ticketexchange" device), the potential is there -- and the connection to the Titans is obvious.
Also, the Baltimore Ravens recently announced a corporate sponsorship with TicketsNow, which will become the team's "exclusive online secondary ticket marketplace," a fancy term for "scalping shack."
The Washington taterskins arguably provide the most ironic example of organized scalping. Last year, the team revoked the season tickets of certain folks who were selling their seats on the Internet. But as a reader pointed out to us, there's a link on the taterskins' official site to StubHub.com, which leads directly to a page that currently allows fans to buy, among other things, someone else's season tickets for up to $10,000.
At the top of the page appears the following statement: "StubHub is the Official Ticket Marketplace of the Washington taterskins."
Other teams allowing folks who can't get tickets through the box office to buy them from a secondary source via simple navigation of the team's official web site include the Seahawks (who partner with RazorGator.com), the Saints (Ticketmaster), the Falcons (StubHub.com), the Giants (Ticketmaster), the Bills (Ticketmaster), the Patriots (Ticketmaster), who as an inducement to scalp state that the seller won't be responsible for the conduct of the buyer, the Jets (Ticketmaster), the Bengals (StubHub), the Browns (Ticketmaster), the Texans (StubHub), the Colts (StubHub), the Chargers (StubHub).
Teams that sell seats through Ticketmaster, but whose web sites don't make direct or indirect reference to the "ticketexchange" feature, include the Rams, 49ers, Cardinals, Bucs, Lions, Vikings, Panthers, Broncos, Chiefs.
None of the teams listed above are breaking the law or violating any apparent league policies by accepting sponsorship money from these companies. (Whether the companies selling the tickets are violating local scalping laws is a different issue.) But to the extent that RazorGator or TicketsNow or StubHub or Ticketmaster are paying NFL franchises for the privilege of being the "official secondary marketplace", the money received by the teams indirectly is coming from transactions in which fans are paying more than face value for seats.
It's really no different than the dude with the laminated "I Need Tickets" sign paying the home team for the right to be the official scalper for the south end of the east parking lot. The team isn't directly involved in the scalping, but is profiting from the fact that the scalping is occurring.
Still, since no one has made a stink about these arguably unseemly relationships, they have blossomed and are by all appearances flourishing.
Our take? On one hand, folks have a right to run their businesses any way they see fit, within the parameters of the law. Also, scalping is a fact of life. Whenever there are events with more interest than available seats, someone will pay more than the face value of the ticket.
But when the entity that makes the initial sale of the ticket at face value is paid to promote entities through which those same tickets can be purchased at an even higher price, the process risks taking on a "feel" that the image-obsessed NFL ordinarily would try to avoid.
We're not quite sure where the line is on this issue, but we think that several of the NFL's franchises are on the wrong side of it, and we hope that someone (perhaps the next Commissioner) will give strong consideration to creating guidelines aimed at keeping teams from getting too deep into the sack with these high-tech scalpers.
Theyre all crooks.
my dallas tickets finally showed up. for some reason they got sent back to the ticketmaster offices. twice.
You might want to make sure those are legit and not Ticketbastich counterfeits.
one of my favorite musicians and his upcoming tours is totally anti scapling. (http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article?article_id=3116)
this idea was brought up here...and other places. jeez. you'd think that the nfl tickets could go the same route?
That would be a super-swell idea. 68,000 people standing in line at the Linc to pick up their tickets on game day.
Woot!
:-D
That wouldnt be the case at all. this is for single game seat sales only. Which according to the eagles is a very limeted amount.
Season ticket holders are a different case, but this scenerio would certianly work in the case of single game seats.
with season ticket holders, it's easy enough to track the original owners of those.
I bought the ticket. It's my property. They have no right to tell me what I can and can't do with my property because once I purchase it, it's mine, not theirs.
It's like buying a house and then having to get the seller's permission to paint it after you've paid them.
PS: I dislike scalpers as much as the next guy but this shtein is retarded.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 23, 2006, 05:40:20 PM
I bought the ticket. It's my property. They have no right to tell me what I can and can't do with my property because once I purchase it, it's mine, not theirs.
It's like buying a house and then having to get the seller's permission to paint it after you've paid them.
PS: I dislike scalpers as much as the next guy but this shtein is retarded.
they actually have every right to tell you what rights posessing a ticket entails. as long as you are told before you purchase a ticket, which you are made away of any restrictions, even though no one ever reads them.
Exactly. They retain the right to allow - or restrict - you from using the ticket.
They have no right to tell me what I can and can't do with my property because once I purchase it, it's mine, not theirs.
sure they dont....the only right you have is the right to give them money or not for the ticket
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300721.html
The Post picked this up. And they're painting it as a way for the teams (particularly bashing the taterskins, I might add) to recoup scalper profits.
I put my name on the Falcons season ticket waiting list last year when I bought tickets to the opener down there last year, just to see what would happen.
I already got an email and a link to buy seats.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 26, 2006, 10:28:24 AM
Eagles fan Tony is a farging psycho. Trust me when I say this.
BTW: Did you guys catch some of the comments people offered on that story? Pretty good ones. :angel:
You have balls saying that. Could I have been more right??? Since you are one of the SCALPERS, Joe likes so much, I can see why you would side with it. You are truly one of the dumbest people I have ever run accross.
ah crap
Quote from: reese125 on June 26, 2006, 09:52:24 AM
"The cynicism and distrust in that question is offensive," Banner said, "and I wonder why it's not asked of anyone else."
Sounds like getting your hand caught in the cookie jar to me. Is it really that offensive Mr Banner...I mean really?
I am the person the who sent the details for the story on the Eagles scalping their own tickets. This organization is so dirty it is sad. And then for Joe "the fool" Banner, to be offended by the story is laughable.
Check out RazorGator sometime. There are "season ticket holders" (read that scalpers), that the Eagles are in bed with. Some have as many as 22 tickets in one row for sale. There are hundreds of sets of tickets on that site, many with 10 seats together, up to 22 seats together. So how does a person get 22 seats together as season tickets???
Kick backs. The Eagles are obviously making money off of every scalped seat sold on RazorGator, otherwise why would they be doing it. It was funny how at the end of last season, all of the supposed "sold out games", had hundreds of tickets available. This the Eagles were in the toilet, obviously no one was buying tickets at the prices the scalpers wanted. So the tickets were funneled back to the Eagles from the scalpers, and sold at face to the fans. Hey thanks alot Joe, you will sell the fans tickets only when you can't scalp the hell out them, with your partner.
I will tell you the Front Office is very sensitive to the topic now that it hit the papers in a big way. The NFL Security Detail is looking into it, the same guys that nailed Mike Tice. The F.O. had me banned from the Eagles Message board, first for a few weeks, for writing the article and now have banned me permanently for being involved in the scalping investigation.
That board is as corrupt as the Eagles Front Office, so no surprise there. There are many users on that board that are non-thinking drones, I think they actually work for the Eagles. The Mods are only puppets doing what the F.O. tell them to do, so I can't blame them. But here's hoping they find an entry level IT job, so they can do their own thinking.
I hope the Giants, taterskin and Cowboys fans fill the Linc for the next 5 years. Since the Eagles are scalping their own tickets, that is how the other team's fans are able to fill OUR stadium. Remember the Giants and taterskins games last season???? But as long as they are making alittle more money, why should they care if their stadium isn't filled with EAGLES fans.
Note to Jeff L.: Stop raping your fans by pointing them to your scalping partner to buy tickets. How about doing what is right instead of what makes you a few more bucks. Bad Karma follows this team and its origin is from the money grubbing, cheap, dirty corrupt people at the top of this organization. Its never to late to actually start aiming to be the Gold Standard, not just saying it. Take care of you fans, instead of taking advantage of them. Until you do, the black cloud will hang over you forever.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on June 15, 2006, 10:33:46 AM
I honestly think you're better off going to away games at this point.
It's easier to get good seats for most away games for the same price as nosebleeds at the Linc.
While there's a certain element of fans who'll complain about anything, in this instance, I think they have a case here. The Eagles have something to answer for with respect to the RazorGator affiliation. It's like they're doing business with the Mob openly and without a shred of regret.
The thing is, though, the season tickets are sold out and there is very little attrition, so they can basically do whatever they want.
It's a shame that they're doing so simply because they can.
That is not your story on the Eagles Message Board, you are totally for the Eagles getting into bed with scalpers. Try to pick a side and stick with it, you may actually get some respect after a while. Lemming.......... don't be afraid to cross the Eagles, the most they can do is kick you off the message board. Then you get to hack into their site and shut it down for kicks.
Made me laugh though when I read your comments. I suspect your other lemming buddies over there, feel the same way, they are just afraid to say it. They can't be as stupid as they come off, siding with the scalpers instead of the fans.
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 24, 2006, 10:22:35 PMThe F.O. had me banned from the Eagles Message board, first for a few weeks, for writing the article and now have banned me permanently for being involved in the scalping investigation.
That board is as corrupt as the Eagles Front Office, so no surprise there. There are many users on that board that are non-thinking drones, I think they actually work for the Eagles. The Mods are only puppets doing what the F.O. tell them to do, so I can't blame them. But here's hoping they find an entry level IT job, so they can do their own thinking.
Preach on! :yay
Gotta love them drones.
That was a lot of words. I'll bet he made a point in there somewhere.
ttllabtoof, what happened to your endless supply of IP addresses all across the country? Surely you must have outsmarted those corrupt mods by now.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on July 24, 2006, 11:22:20 PM
ttllabtoof, what happened to your endless supply of IP addresses all across the country? Surely you must have outsmarted those corrupt mods by now.
One of the mindless puppets, I see. You guys were a joke. You couldn't even rationalize your own actions. First one mod accidentally banned me with 3 warnings in 20 minutes (after never having i warning in 3 years), then another numbskull accidental extended the suspension by 3 weeks. And then the best part, banned for typing "jacka$$". You guys aren't even smart enough to come up with believable ideas. All of this just as Dave Spadaro found out I was writing the RazorGator story for the Daily News. INCREDIBLE COINDENSE??? I think not.
I am not as stupid as you are, why would I rush out and give away all of my IP addresses? Cloaking will help too. I wouldn't be doing it anyway, I would have my IT guys doing it and just creating user names for me. But I decided to just hang out. You guys must enjoy being told what to do by the Front Office.
Good luck finding your first real job. If you need an entry level IT job, let me know. No hard feelings. You were just doing what you were told to do, but it was funny. The whole "we are cracking down on bad words" excuse was classic. Knuckleheads.
mcgraw isn't a mod
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 24, 2006, 11:51:09 PM
mcgraw isn't a mod
On EMB he must be. Or someone who knows one of the mods. Because he has details only they knew about the orders for my banning from the front office.
Keep us up to date on your EMB mod vendettas. We're all very interested.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 25, 2006, 12:05:56 AM
Keep us up to date on your EMB mod vendettas. We're all very interested.
Don't like it, don't read it.
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on July 25, 2006, 12:05:56 AM
Keep us up to date on your EMB mod vendettas. We're all very interested.
Don't like it, don't read it.
I think what he's saying is that he doesn't like and doesn't feel like readin it on HIS web site.
If you want to complain about the Eagles, that's fine. Everyone here does that. To come to one message board and bitch about a different message board is boring and idiotic.
Sure. Or, you know, you could pretend to have read the rules when you signed up and not make little bitchy insults at people for your first dozen posts.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 25, 2006, 12:09:11 AM
Sure. Or, you know, you could pretend to have read the rules when you signed up and not make little bitchy insults at people for your first dozen posts.
I am sorry. Don't think I insulted anyone who didn't take a shot at me first.
Just for my info, Is this site run by the Eagles? Apparently many of the same users are on both sites and a Mod from EMB is surfing here.
WHAT?! Oh sweet murciful Christ! Who let a mod in here?? Mother farger! I swear, when I find that sumbitch I'm gonna nail his ass to the wall.
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To come to one message board and bitch about a different message board is boring and idiotic.
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I think that line would be considered a bitchy little insult. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 12:12:26 AM
Just for my info, Is this site run by the Eagles? Apparently many of the same users are on both sites and a Mod from EMB is surfing here.
Of course it's owned by the Eagles. Didn't you see the official Philadelphia Eagles and NFL gear in the Concrete Field store? Better get out of here quick before one of the Mods sees you and has you systematically eliminated from life. They have that power, you know.
they're corrupt and love computers, so they have your credit card numbers too
Quote from: rjs246 on July 25, 2006, 12:16:56 AM
Of course it's owned by the Eagles. Didn't you see the official Philadelphia Eagles and NFL gear in the Concrete Field store? Better get out of here quick before one of the Mods sees you and has you systematically eliminated from life. They have that power, you know.
I am just becoming aware of that. Pretty funny stuff. I am just glad to be able to vent a bit. I was shafted over there and love to talk about the Eagles, but since I am looking for a new board this one seemed like it might be OK. Lots of decent opinions and discussion on this thread early on. Shows the real feelings of the fans on how the Eagles do their business.
I'll behave, but when attacked, I will respond. Its the way these boards work right? Disagree with me, that's cool. Make a salient point and I will respond. Start with the name calling and attacks and all bets are off.
Name calling and attacks are a part of communicating via the internet. If you can't deal with it, I suggest you write us all letters instead.
Welcome!
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 25, 2006, 12:19:55 AM
they're corrupt and love computers, so they have your credit card numbers too
And, for some reason, your sperm count.
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 24, 2006, 11:53:25 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 24, 2006, 11:51:09 PM
mcgraw isn't a mod
On EMB he must be. Or someone who knows one of the mods. Because he has details only they knew about the orders for my banning from the front office.
I met Joe Banner at training camp, he filled me in.
Quote from: rjs246 on July 25, 2006, 12:21:51 AM
Name calling and attacks are a part of communicating via the internet. If you can't deal with it, I suggest you write us all letters instead.
Welcome!
Thanks for the welcome. And I can definitely deal with it, look forward to it. But my writing style can sometimes be a bit on the edge and some people construe it as negative. If I stick around long enough I hope to not only engage in decent conversations but inform fans looking for tickets how to beat the scalpers and get tickets at face or just above.
But guys like Jerome, they don't want to see that info get out, so they tend to attack an awful lot.
I look forward to chatting with all of you guys.
Quote from: General_Failure on July 25, 2006, 12:22:43 AM
And, for some reason, your sperm count.
That would have been my affair with the receptionist over at the Linc. Sperm count and ex girlfriend count was very important to her. I guess after we split, she ratted me out to the F.O.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on July 25, 2006, 12:23:54 AM
I met Joe Banner at training camp, he filled me in.
I hope you didn't me that in a sexual way.............Do you guys get free tickets too?
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 12:28:07 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on July 25, 2006, 12:23:54 AM
I met Joe Banner at training camp, he filled me in.
I hope you didn't me that in a sexual way.............Do you guys get free tickets too?
Yea, us mods get our own suite at the linc and we are free to sell our tickets to ticketmaster, stubhub, etc...
It's one of the upsides of being a mod.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on July 25, 2006, 12:31:30 AM
Yea, us mods get our own suite at the linc and we are free to sell our tickets to ticketmaster, stubhub, etc...
It's one of the upsides of being a mod.
You can't sell tickets to TicketMaster.............
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 12:34:17 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on July 25, 2006, 12:31:30 AM
Yea, us mods get our own suite at the linc and we are free to sell our tickets to ticketmaster, stubhub, etc...
It's one of the upsides of being a mod.
You can't sell tickets to TicketMaster.............
Maybe you cant...
Quote from: mpmcgraw on July 25, 2006, 12:34:54 AM
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 12:34:17 AM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on July 25, 2006, 12:31:30 AM
Yea, us mods get our own suite at the linc and we are free to sell our tickets to ticketmaster, stubhub, etc...
It's one of the upsides of being a mod.
You can't sell tickets to TicketMaster.............
Maybe you cant...
That made me laugh, good one. Take care, man. You'll be hearing from me again, count on it. Say hi to the lemmings for me. I can't or you'll start picking off my alter-egos.
Jesus Christ. :-D
I hope the Giants, taterskin and Cowboys fans fill the Linc for the next 5 years. Since the Eagles are scalping their own tickets, that is how the other team's fans are able to fill OUR stadium. Remember the Giants and taterskins games last season?
this isnt true....in 03 and 04 when the eagles were good there was a scant amount of visiting fans...actually the fewest visiting fans ive ever seen in an nfl stadium for those two seasons....last year giant and taterskin fans were there in droves because the eagles were far out of it while the skins and giants were fighting for the divison/playoffs
i am in complete agreement with every single other thing youve said
nothing like arguing about ticket scalping in the wee hours of the morning.
i think its hilarious that romey defends everything the eagles do on the emb then comes over here to criticize them
weakmade
When did the Internet get retarded????
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2006, 08:04:18 AM
i am in complete agreement with every single other thing youve said
(http://www.shock-em.com/collegehumor%20miami%20shocker%20statue.jpg)
Quote from: Father Demon on July 25, 2006, 09:30:36 AM
When did the Internet get retarded????
Right around when it began.
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 24, 2006, 11:49:57 PM
One of the mindless puppets, I see. You guys were a joke. You couldn't even rationalize your own actions. First one mod accidentally banned me with 3 warnings in 20 minutes (after never having i warning in 3 years), then another numbskull accidental extended the suspension by 3 weeks. And then the best part, banned for typing "jacka$$". You guys aren't even smart enough to come up with believable ideas. All of this just as Dave Spadaro found out I was writing the RazorGator story for the Daily News. INCREDIBLE COINDENSE??? I think not.
You write for the Daily News? That is a coindense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2006, 08:04:18 AM
I hope the Giants, taterskin and Cowboys fans fill the Linc for the next 5 years. Since the Eagles are scalping their own tickets, that is how the other team's fans are able to fill OUR stadium. Remember the Giants and taterskins games last season?
this isnt true....in 03 and 04 when the eagles were good there was a scant amount of visiting fans...actually the fewest visiting fans ive ever seen in an nfl stadium for those two seasons....last year giant and taterskin fans were there in droves because the eagles were far out of it while the skins and giants were fighting for the divison/playoffs
That is the entire point. When the other teams are in contention or even close to the Birds, the EAGLES have set it up so that other team's fans have just as good of a shot at tickets as the EAGLES fans do. Right now there are about 6,000 tickets available to each game on the internet. That will only grow as the season gets closer. The EAGLES are even TELLING THEIR SEASON TICKET HOLDERS TO SCALP THE SEATS THEY DO NOT WANT ON RAZORGATOR.
So with out fear of losing their seats EVERY STH can sell their tickets. And the worse part for the EAGLES fans, is that the Front Office has effectively shut out fans who want season tickets, TO USE. You would have to be a nitwit to sell the tickets now, because the FO is telling you never to give them up and to SCALP them.
Ever been to a Phillies-Mets game??? That is what is coming for the Birds. Last year was just a taste.
When you remove Season Tickets from the fans and give large blocks to scalpers, you create an avenue for other teams to take over your stadium. That is what has happened. In '03 and '04 the Giants and taterskins were out of it. But now as they move towards the top and the Eagles are clearly not the class of the division anymore, you will see more and more of their fans.
Quote from: phattymatty on July 25, 2006, 11:07:25 AM
You write for the Daily News? That is a coindense.
Anyone can submit an article with facts and have a newspaper verify the facts and ask questions of important people for the story, that I do not have access to. So yes, I helped write the story, even though I do not work for the paper.
Ever been to a Phillies-Mets game??? That is what is coming for the Birds. Last year was just a taste.
you couldnt be more wrong
even in the vets worst days it was never like that even when dallas would come in
3-13 at the vet with tons of seats available for seasons tickets and tickets in general being given away was there anything even close to mets or red sox @ phils
so now with a season ticket waiting list (no matter how bogus it is) a new stadium and the eagles at an all-time high in popularity you think tis gonna be worse than ever simply because of razorgator???...not even close
i hate what they are doing more than anyone and i find banner as reprehensible an executive this town has ever had but youre way overblowing the issue of visiting fans
when the eagles are good they will be minimal visiting fans and when they stink there will be a decent amount...basically the same thing that happens at every other stadium in the division...it will never be even close to what goes on at the bank these days
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 11:53:18 AM
When you remove Season Tickets from the fans and give large blocks to scalpers, you create an avenue for other teams to take over your stadium. That is what has happened. In '03 and '04 the Giants and taterskins were out of it. But now as they move towards the top and the Eagles are clearly not the class of the division anymore, you will see more and more of their fans.
the bolded part of that paragraph is the only part of your rambling that is even remotely relevant. thats what i want to find out. does razorgator give an amount of each sale back to the eagles. and where the tickets came from in the first place.
there is nothing wrong with a fan selling tickets. and it doesnt matter, at the end of the day, who buys them.
the only part of this that is relevant, and could be considered scalping, is if the amount of these tickets going directly to stubhub, or razorgator and never actually pass through normal fan purchasing outlets (either via a season ticket, or single game sales)
none of your other pulizer quality rants have anything to do with the real issue.
i wish i could care this much
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 11:56:38 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on July 25, 2006, 11:07:25 AM
You write for the Daily News? That is a coindense.
Anyone can submit an article with facts and have a newspaper verify the facts and ask questions of important people for the story, that I do not have access to. So yes, I helped write the story, even though I do not work for the paper.
never mind.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on July 24, 2006, 09:55:43 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300721.html
The Post picked this up. And they're painting it as a way for the teams (particularly bashing the taterskins, I might add) to recoup scalper profits.
Wing, read this article. It says that's exactly what they're doing, licensing out scalping to get a piece of the pie.
if the eagles werent getting a cut they wouldnt be in bed with razorgater....you think they are going to risk the negative attention of having a relationship with a ticket scalper just because
Its like the current political administration. They will do whatever they want, deny any wrong doing, and even if they are caught they act above the law and just carry on like it doesnt matter.
exactly
and the sheep will continue to follow
Quote from: MadMarchHare on July 25, 2006, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on July 24, 2006, 09:55:43 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300721.html
The Post picked this up. And they're painting it as a way for the teams (particularly bashing the taterskins, I might add) to recoup scalper profits.
Wing, read this article. It says that's exactly what they're doing, licensing out scalping to get a piece of the pie.
oh i know. i suspect it is deeper than that. there are three elements to this
1) normal sponsorship deals
2) face value ticket price
3) anything above 1+2
basically, i think the eagles are getting #3. that this basically gives the eagles more off the books revenue (meaning it isnt going into the revenue sharing that determines the salary cap).
NFL Owners Training Manual
A. Tickets Sales--Season Tickets and Distribution
Rule 1: Keep quiet and everyone get a piece of the pie
Hoagiegate. It's entirely possible, IMO, that they didn't think anyone would notice or care.
Other teams had relationships before the Birds, and nothing ever happened. Only when the Birds starting doing this did it become an issue. And right now, it looks like tsunami time.
The best way to get the suits in Congress interested in something is an inflammatory article in the Post.
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2006, 12:02:03 PM
Ever been to a Phillies-Mets game??? That is what is coming for the Birds. Last year was just a taste.
you couldnt be more wrong
even in the vets worst days it was never like that even when dallas would come in
3-13 at the vet with tons of seats available for seasons tickets and tickets in general being given away was there anything even close to mets or red sox @ phils
so now with a season ticket waiting list (no matter how bogus it is) a new stadium and the eagles at an all-time high in popularity you think tis gonna be worse than ever simply because of razorgator???...not even close
i hate what they are doing more than anyone and i find banner as reprehensible an executive this town has ever had but youre way overblowing the issue of visiting fans
when the eagles are good they will be minimal visiting fans and when they stink there will be a decent amount...basically the same thing that happens at every other stadium in the division...it will never be even close to what goes on at the bank these days
I thought that way going into last season, but seeing those two games has me thinking differently. How do you think Eagles fans were able to take over other stadiums? In Miami we had 17,000 and it sounded like we owned the stadium. It doesn't have to be half and half, if the Birds are losing 10,000 Giants fans sound very loud compared to all of the quiet when the Birds are losing.
It is a bad situation that could only get worse, all over greed.
Quote from: Wingspan on July 25, 2006, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 25, 2006, 11:53:18 AM
When you remove Season Tickets from the fans and give large blocks to scalpers, you create an avenue for other teams to take over your stadium. That is what has happened. In '03 and '04 the Giants and taterskins were out of it. But now as they move towards the top and the Eagles are clearly not the class of the division anymore, you will see more and more of their fans.
the bolded part of that paragraph is the only part of your rambling that is even remotely relevant. thats what i want to find out. does razorgator give an amount of each sale back to the eagles. and where the tickets came from in the first place.
there is nothing wrong with a fan selling tickets. and it doesnt matter, at the end of the day, who buys them.
the only part of this that is relevant, and could be considered scalping, is if the amount of these tickets going directly to stubhub, or razorgator and never actually pass through normal fan purchasing outlets (either via a season ticket, or single game sales)
none of your other pulizer quality rants have anything to do with the real issue.
You simply need to go to RazorGator and check out the guys selling 10 seats together for EVERY GAME. The is one guy who has 22 tickets in Section 206 Row 4, for every game. That is the entire row.
Why would the Eagles be selling 22 tickets to one guy solely for scalping them, when they could cut up that block into 11 pairs for local fans? Its not hard to see this information. Throw in the fact that the Eagles had single game seats for every game at the end of last season for "sold out" games, and it tells you that their Partner "RazorGator" couldn't scalp them for them, so they returned them to the Eagles so they could get something for them by offering them to the fans. Thanks ALOT.
None of this is a secret, its all out in the open if you look. This isn't about a STH selling 2 tix to the Tenn game because he will be out of town, it is about the large blocks the Eagles sell to scalpers and the single game seats they slid to RazorGator under the table. Corrupt is about the nicest thing you can save about Joey B.
I thought that way going into last season, but seeing those two games has me thinking differently. How do you think Eagles fans were able to take over other stadiums? In Miami we had 17,000 and it sounded like we owned the stadium. It doesn't have to be half and half, if the Birds are losing 10,000 Giants fans sound very loud compared to all of the quiet when the Birds are losing.
you were spoiled in 03 and 04...it was never that good...but last year was not nearly as bad as the lean years at the vet
razorgator has no noticable effect (if any at all) on the amount of visiting fans that come to the linc...ticket scalpers in general have an effect for sure...and the eagles not doing enough to get seats into the hands of fans on the waiting list is the problem more so than razorgator...if the tickets werent on razorgator theyd be at another ticket scalper or in the papers or the parking lot
the relationship with rg that the eagles have is as unseemly as it gets...but that relationship by itself doesnt have a tangible impact on the amount of visiting fans in the stadium
this is still totally irrelevant without proof. every article on this is speculation, or he said-she said...
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 25, 2006, 12:57:33 PM
the relationship with rg that the eagles have is as unseemly as it gets...but that relationship by itself doesnt have a tangible impact on the amount of visiting fans in the stadium
If the Eagles had a "zero tolerance" policy for scalping, like is stated on their own web site. Your point might be solid.
Any ticket sold above face was revoked and given to the next person on the wait list.
Then it wouldn't have an impact on opposing fans, since no tickets would be sold for fear of losing them. But since the Eagles are telling their fans, along with the scalpers they sell the blocks to, that it is OK. They have no control over who buys them.
When you throw that many tickets out on the web and you have no idea of who is going to buy them, how can you say it has no tangible effect? Giants fans will spend more money than Eagles fans, if their record is better. You saw that last year. If the teams are both 9-5 and playing each other, then it may be 50/50. But the fact remains they can still get in just as easy as an Eagles fan.
Dude, just get used to not argueing with IGY. He's always right.
In his mind
Dude, just get used to not argueing with IGY. He's always right.
tru dat
because im right so much im comfortable with 'always' but to be fair i might have said 'normally'
ha
Normal has never applied to anyone here at any time.
Does anybody want two tickets to the Browns pre-season game? Maybe a chance to take a kid or something. I'll sell them cheap. PM me.
Do they come with a kid to take?
sure
In.
no ass farging though, only mouth
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 26, 2006, 01:55:49 PM
no ass farging though, only mouth
Well of that's what you want that's what the Eagles F.O. is doing to you.
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 26, 2006, 10:44:56 PM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 26, 2006, 01:55:49 PM
no ass farging though, only mouth
Well of that's what you want that's what the Eagles F.O. is doing to you.
Get over yourself.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 26, 2006, 10:48:13 PM
Get over yourself.
Its gonna be tough but I'll try for you. You are my new hero, very insightful.
Let's just say that Spadaro forgot about you a long time ago and no one any further up the food chain in the Philadelphia Eagles organization even knows you exist. You are severely overestimating yourself.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 27, 2006, 10:14:38 AM
Let's just say that Spadaro forgot about you a long time ago and no one any further up the food chain in the Philadelphia Eagles organization even knows you exist. You are severely overestimating yourself.
But he's a journalist! He, like Upton Sinclair in his day, unveiled the seedy scandal!
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 27, 2006, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 27, 2006, 10:14:38 AM
Let's just say that Spadaro forgot about you a long time ago and no one any further up the food chain in the Philadelphia Eagles organization even knows you exist. You are severely overestimating yourself.
But he's a journalist! He, like Upton Sinclair in his day, unveiled the seedy scandal!
Comparing Spadaro to Upton Sinclair even in a joking manner should warrant a banning if not outright death and dismemberment.
he was talking about TTladljaeljfFFfaflkat;asooo, i believe
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 27, 2006, 10:42:32 AM
he was talking about TTladljaeljfFFfaflkat;asooo, i believe
I was.
In that case, well done.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 27, 2006, 10:14:38 AM
Let's just say that Spadaro forgot about you a long time ago and no one any further up the food chain in the Philadelphia Eagles organization even knows you exist. You are severely overestimating yourself.
Joe Banner is that you??? Do you still find it "offensive" that your fans question your relationship with scalpers?
Not sure what you are basing your statement that I am severely overestimating myself????
I am just providing obvious fact, that normal thinking people have to agree with. Lemmings on the other hand will defend the Eagles F.O. due to no power of independent thought. You seem to fall into this category.
Instead of attacking, try to state an actual position. Are the Eagles screwing their fans by directing them to buy illegally priced tickets, not to mention ticket prices in direct conflict with their own Anti Scalping rules, or not? Are the Eagles wrong to make it possible for more of the opposing fans to get into OUR stadium just to make a few extra bucks? Are the Eagles wrong for selling entire rows of seats to scalpers to resell to "their fans?
Try taking a position, I purposely held down the big words for you so you could understand the questions.
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 27, 2006, 10:39:26 AM
But he's a journalist! He, like Upton Sinclair in his day, unveiled the seedy scandal!
Are you a Scalper? There is no secret scandal here, it is on the open and in every Eagles fans face. Just go to the Eagles website, and they will point you to the scalpers site. Not very veiled........
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 27, 2006, 10:41:13 AM
Comparing Spadaro to Upton Sinclair even in a joking manner should warrant a banning if not outright death and dismemberment.
Obviously, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Try to keep up..........
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 28, 2006, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 27, 2006, 10:41:13 AM
Comparing Spadaro to Upton Sinclair even in a joking manner should warrant a banning if not outright death and dismemberment.
Obviously, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Try to keep up..........
= BAN...
By the way ttllabtoof check out my website (http://www.razorgator.com)
Quote from: ttllabtoof on July 28, 2006, 09:18:18 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 27, 2006, 10:41:13 AM
Comparing Spadaro to Upton Sinclair even in a joking manner should warrant a banning if not outright death and dismemberment.
Obviously, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Try to keep up..........
And you're a stalking, psychopathic fruitcake who has clearly missed taking his medications again this morning.
Cram it up your crack, you punk ass little bitch.
ttllabtoof, you've made your point. Over and over. If you want to stick around and talk football, do it. If you're going to provoke and attack like this, you won't be welcome here. Capisci?