First post. Migrating from philaphans.com where the board has deteriorated drastically (14,000 posts over there).
Anyhow - read that Jevon is down to 245 after intense workouts in the offseason. Not that he's ever been a huge liability against the run before - but man that's light for someone his size.
I predict huge things from Darren Howard and the inside force this year and hope Jevon's weight isn't a factor for him. Speed is important but he needs to hold the point of attack wherever he lines up.
Good to be here...
Quote from: BIG_PHILLY on May 22, 2006, 11:51:14 AM
point of attack
...in your first post on the board? Oh dear.
follow it up with a golden goose and everything will be swell
Quote from: BIG_PHILLY on May 22, 2006, 11:51:14 AM
First post. Migrating from philaphans.com where the board has deteriorated drastically (14,000 posts over there).
a long time ago, i posted on phillynews.com (this is way back in 1998/1999 times....and i remember your handle...you the same person?
Welcome. 245 does sound a little low. We'll see. It's not like he was kicking much ass last year, so maybe this works..
This sounds like Asian porn.
he isnt here to play the run...hes here to break qb's and in the process cause fumbles...at his heaviest he cant play the run...so id rather him be at 245 if it means he gets his burst back
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 22, 2006, 12:04:01 PM
he isnt here to play the run...hes here to break qb's and in the process cause fumbles...at his heaviest he cant play the run...so id rather him be at 245 if it means he gets his burst back
Exactly. Last year, he actually played the run fairly well. Possibly, it was because he bulked up knowing that he'd have to pick up slack for the OLB's. I dunno. Either way, Trent Cole's at 265+ now, Howard goes at least 275, McDougle is 260+... I don't care if Kearse plays light as long as he can be more disruptive than he has been for the Eagles so far.
Quote from: Wingspan on May 22, 2006, 12:01:02 PM
Quote from: BIG_PHILLY on May 22, 2006, 11:51:14 AM
First post. Migrating from philaphans.com where the board has deteriorated drastically (14,000 posts over there).
a long time ago, i posted on phillynews.com (this is way back in 1998/1999 times....and i remember your handle...you the same person?
* yeah man...been this since forever. Philly.com back then had a nice community - then they changed it and it was awful. Anyway - good to be here brother...
I agree he needs to be a pass rusher - but let's not overlook that he is on the 1st team and will be on the field all three downs in some way shape or form for the $ he gets.
No question McDougle hopefully can get rollin and Cole is a specialist that excels with less snaps...but Kearse needs to hold up. I think moving him around will definitely help this and I've never seen him as a "liability" but that's freaking light....I love our d-line right now.
i think moving him around is a mistake...he needs to be a dominant edge rusher nothing less nothing more...this joker crap to me is basically admitting that he doesnt have what it takes to get it done from the outside anymore
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 22, 2006, 12:15:21 PM
i think moving him around is a mistake...he needs to be a dominant edge rusher nothing less nothing more...this joker crap to me is basically admitting that he doesnt have what it takes to get it done from the outside anymore
* Reggie White moved around constantly to cause mismatches - how'd that work out for the Packers? :paranoid
dont ever compare jevon kearse to reggie white again
Or what? Dude - you are talking about moving him around. Teams move guys like Kearse around to create mismatches all the time. I'm not stupid enough to compare them talentwise - but as far as how your top DE around to create major problems - this is very comparable.
they moved him around for the last two years and hes been underwhelming at best...it doesnt work...hes not the kind of player that can move inside or play linebacker...hes an edge rusher...period...
in 2004 i blamed jj for being to cute with him and trying to outsmart himself by putting him in areas where didnt belong...but after last year i tend to lean towards kearse not being able to get off the edge anymore...tho i still give him the benefit of the doubt as the ends opposite him have been terrible
now that they have howard there no more excuses...both for kearse not to produce and for jj not to have him on the edge all the time
Fair Enough. I agree he's underwhelmed. I do think HOWARD - BUNKLEY - PATTERSON - KEARSE should = 30 Sacks alone this season. Can we at least agree on that? :sly
If they're moving him around our of necessity, that's a problem. If they're moving him around occasionally to catch a defense off-guard, no big deal. Like IGY said, though, Kearse needs to be able to get pressure off the edge regularly, and he really hasn't been doing that enough. I think he's been an OK all around defensive player, but he hasn't been the difference-maker he's being paid to be.
30 sacks? Are you crazy? It's obvoius to everyone that this is a 29 sack D Line.
not sure if id straight up predict 30 but 30 is a nice over/under number for them
Jevon just took the Sam job at that weight :paranoid
BTW - I'm assuming you guys read this...Not trying to double post:
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/14628724.htm
Quote from: Diomedes on May 22, 2006, 12:41:56 PM
30 sacks? Are you crazy? It's obvoius to everyone that this is a 29 sack D Line.
* My bad. I thought 30 was pushing it. :=)
245...i understand its supposed to make him quicker, but didn't he run am amazing 40 time when he was like 265? This make me worry hes going to get mauled. we'll see :-\
Quote from: mussa on May 22, 2006, 01:13:35 PM
245...i understand its supposed to make him quicker, but didn't he run am amazing 40 time when he was like 265? This make me worry hes going to get mauled. we'll see :-\
not if he lines up next to the sideline
Kearse runs off the field just about every other friggin play holding either his hip, arm, wrist, shoulder. Hes not getting any younger and his kamakazzi days of throwing himself airborn and seeing where he lands should be at a minimum. He needs to stay on the wing, and pass rush the QB. I agree with FF, that it is deceiving to an offense once in a while, but once he plays joker boy and goes inside or outside too much, thats when more injuries will occur
His goal this year should be end on end QB sacks, and I think the weight decrease will allow him that first initial push past the OL. Its a good move IMO
Kearse runs off the field just about every other friggin play
this reminded me of mamula running off the tv screen every play...he was like an intellivision player
Hugh was the king of faking injury and running off the field to take a break.
Quote from: MURP on May 22, 2006, 01:39:43 PM
Hugh was the king of faking injury and running off the field to take a break.
So was Clyde Simmons back in the day. He'd be writhing around in pain on the turf and take a full TV timeout to get off the field, then be back in after sitting out one play. Every week, like clockwork. :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 22, 2006, 01:38:14 PM
Kearse runs off the field just about every other friggin play
this reminded me of mamula running off the tv screen every play...he was like an intellivision player
LMAO :-D
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 22, 2006, 12:42:37 PM
Jevon just took the Sam job at that weight :paranoid
At that weight he may have taken Anna Nicole Smith's TrimSpa job.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 22, 2006, 01:38:14 PM
Kearse runs off the field just about every other friggin play
this reminded me of mamula running off the tv screen every play...he was like an intellivision player
:fire Mamula
Welcome, BP. I've seen you over on PhilaPhans.
My first reaction to reading this on Sunday was "good". Freak needs to get to the QB. And if being an even more ripped than before 245-250 helps him, it helps the team. They need him to kill QBs.
Strahan played last season at 255 after years of being 270ish. He said it helped him a ton to be lighter.
Freeney is listed at 268 but I would bet on him being in the 255 range.
Robert Mathis is 235 and he is just a PR specialist, but he can anchor down when needed.
John Abraham is listed at 258.
He's one bad burrito away from being Mark Simoneau with a larger frame.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2006, 02:32:38 AM
My first reaction to reading this on Sunday was "good".
So wait, there's a bit of random information coming out of an Eagle during the offseason... Information that could be viewed as a positive or a negative but is ultimately meaningless. And Phreak LIKES it?! Thinks it's good?! I, for one, am stunned. STUNNED, I say!
QuoteEagles | Kearse primed to improve play
Tue, 23 May 2006 08:40:58 -0700
The Philadelphia Inquirer reports Philadelphia Eagles DL Jevon Kearse has vowed to be more of a disruptive force in '06. "I want to be a little bit more destructive this year," Kearse said following the Eagles' three-day minicamp. "I want to be more disruptive, and try to wreak havoc."
why didnt he want all this last year
Wow, the KFFL blurb referring to the exact article already linked to!
because you have better things to do, i'm sure.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 23, 2006, 12:37:53 PM
why didnt he want all this last year
:-D :-D
I said the same thing.
Quote from: rjs246 on May 23, 2006, 08:12:32 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 23, 2006, 02:32:38 AM
My first reaction to reading this on Sunday was "good".
So wait, there's a bit of random information coming out of an Eagle during the offseason... Information that could be viewed as a positive or a negative but is ultimately meaningless. And Phreak LIKES it?! Thinks it's good?! I, for one, am stunned. STUNNED, I say!
So wait, there's a post made by me about the Eagles that's positive and rjs is annoyed by it? I, for one, am stunned. STUNNED, I say!
Maybe I'll be as grumpy as you one day.
Dickbag. :-*
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 24, 2006, 02:10:18 AM
Maybe I'll be as grumpy as you one day.
You should try it. It's much more entertaining. Less opportunity for soul crushing disappointment, to boot.
I'm with you big philly, that board went to shtein, I just joined here today. hoping to actually get some eagles talk and not "what did you have for lunch" threads :)
did somebody actually take the time to delete my "Burger King" post from this otherwise worthless thread?
kinda sad.
i got one deleted too...they dont want these quality new members to be scared away
you're nobody if you haven't had posts deleted. someone complained that something I said wasn't nice a while ago, and so it was deleted. the whiner is a nancy and so is Big Brother for appeasing him, but so what. it's their board. they can delete whatever they want.
back on topic, lest this fantastic thread be deleted:
Kearse at 245. Where's the beef?
They have been doing alot of deleting lately.
Anyway, IGY, your avatar has me mesmorized.
I just got one deleted. Does that mean I got jumped into the CF gang?
Quote from: sallad selgae on May 26, 2006, 08:11:28 AM
I just got one deleted. Does that mean I got jumped into the CF gang?
If your name is "Salad" you will get sexed in.
good article on the dline...
QuoteSad-sack defensive line undergoes a makeover
By Marc Narducci
Inquirer Staff Writer
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There may be some debate about which was the least productive group on the Eagles last season, but the defensive line surely would get plenty of votes.
In the 2004 season, when they went to the Super Bowl, the Eagles recorded 47 sacks. Last season, the total fell to 29. In the NFC, only San Francisco (28) and New Orleans (25) had fewer sacks.
The Eagles' line frequently gave opposing quarterbacks all day in the pocket to find a target, forcing defensive backs to stay with receivers longer. The Eagles allowed 11.81 yards per completion, putting them 13th in the 16-team NFC.
But that was last year, and the Eagles have revamped the line.
"If we're not the best front in the league, we're as good as the best front in the league," Eagles defensive end Jevon Kearse said during this week's workouts at the NovaCare Complex. "We're as good as we want to be and we have a lot of young guys ready to go."
Although end N.D. Kalu signed as a free agent with Houston and run-stuffer Hollis Thomas was traded to New Orleans, the Eagles have added several key components, including free agent Darren Howard and first-round draft choice Brodrick Bunkley.
Howard is slated to start at end but also will move inside to tackle. Bunkley teams with last year's first-round choice, Mike Patterson, to give the Eagles two young, athletic tackles.
Jerome McDougle, who missed last year after being shot in the abdomen during a robbery in Florida, is back and adds depth to the end position.
"McDougle's tank is ready to be emptied this year," said Kearse, who has recorded 71/2 sacks in each of his two seasons as an Eagle. "He is working so hard, and whenever we go up in drills against each other, that dude is strong."
The key, however, will be Howard, who suffered an injury-plagued season in New Orleans, missing four games and recording just 31/2 sacks last year. The 29-year-old Howard twice has recorded 11 sacks and has 441/2 sacks in 81 career games.
The Eagles also are high on Trent Cole, who as an unheralded rookie had five sacks, although they came in a three-game stretch.
On third-down passing situations, don't be surprised to see Cole and Kearse at the end positions, with some combination of Patterson, Bunkley and Howard at the two tackle spots.
"They want to get Trent Cole on the field because he is 100 miles per hour all the time and is a fast, strong guy who can get to the quarterback and create a lot of havoc," Howard said.
Competition for playing time should be fierce, although defensive coordinator Jim Johnson traditionally has rotated his linemen to keep them fresh.
Among others in the mix are standby tackles Darwin Walker and Sam Rayburn, both of whom played through injuries last year; end Juqua Thomas; free-agent tackle Ed Jasper; second-year tackle Keyonta Marshall; and rookie tackle LaJuan Ramsey.
"In order to be competitive, you have to have a good, solid rotation," Walker said. "You have to have depth along the defensive line, and we have that depth."
Walker, who will turn 29 next week, appears to be the forgotten ingredient. He had 21/2 sacks in his first two games last year before missing the next three with a thigh bruise. When he returned, Walker wasn't the same and didn't record a sack.
Still, since 2002, he has 201/2 sacks, the fourth highest by a defensive tackle. And he says there is no doubt that the entire line can return to form.
This is probably the most exciting aspect of the team to me now. I can't wait to see how the line gets after the quarterback. The defense as a whole should definately be worlds better than last year.
if the stars are aligned and the Eagles get by with minor injuries on that line, they will be overachievers this year
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 08, 2006, 09:26:57 AM
This is probably the most exciting aspect of the team to me now. I can't wait to see how the line gets after the quarterback.
I agree. Its amazing how much the DLine has seemed (key word) to turn around for the better in such a short time.
Quote from: reese125 on June 08, 2006, 09:37:34 AM
if the stars are aligned and the Eagles get by with minor injuries on that line, they will be overachievers this year
Overachievers? No, they have the talent, they'd be doing what they SHOULD be doing, barring injury.
as IGY would say...look over your head, and you'll see my point
They do have a shteinload of talent on the D-Line now. The question is, will guys like Kearse, McDougle, & Walker play to their potential this year instead of playing like they did last year (or in McDougle's case, not play at all).
I think it's fairly telling in McDougle's case that the Eagles don't expect much from him at all. He's listed as the third defensive end behind Kearse & of all people Juqua Thomas at this point.
He better have a devastating training camp & preseason. Otherwise, he might find himself on the outside looking in or outright cut once and for all.
I agree that the line does appear to be a lot better than last year. The question mark surrounds the OLB. I'm hoping the Eagles can do something with Bowtie, Gocong, Barber and McCoy.
The question is, will guys like Kearse, McDougle, & Walker play to their potential
i think we have to accept the fact that kearse is a ten sack guy and nothing more...he just doesnt get a lot of sacks and never really has...what you gotta hope for with him is that he causes some turnovers something he has not done since coming to philly
Ill take 10 sacks in a heartbeat as long as Howard steps ups and does his job..no complaints here
The Sporting News' offseason grade
QuoteEagles: The best move was re-signing right tackle Jon Runyan. They're hoping the flight of Terrell Owens is addition by subtraction, but they can't say that about linebacker Keith Adams. Grade: C-
i dont have a huge problem with the grade but how do you not mention howard...that was by far their best move
cus the media hates the Eagles...duh!
hacks
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 08, 2006, 04:09:30 PM
The Sporting News' offseason grade
QuoteEagles: The best move was re-signing right tackle Jon Runyan. They're hoping the flight of Terrell Owens is addition by subtraction, but they can't say that about linebacker Keith Adams. Grade: C-
uh you most certianly can
how will we survive without the Bullet?
its amazing these guys have jobs and actually get to entertain us with such analytical horse$htein
I can't wait to see an Eli sandwhich. with kearse and howard as teh bunzznznzzzzzz!!!11@32$!!
Quote from: mussa on June 08, 2006, 04:22:51 PM
I can't wait to see an Eli sandwhich. with kearse and howard as teh bunzznznzzzzzz!!!11@32$!!
Isn't that a Garcia fantasy?
Quote from: sallad selgae on June 08, 2006, 04:30:11 PM
Quote from: mussa on June 08, 2006, 04:22:51 PM
I can't wait to see an Eli sandwhich. with kearse and howard as teh bunzznznzzzzzz!!!11@32$!!
Isn't that a Garcia fantasy?
no. then it would be the Garcia Sandwhich, or the Happy Rat Sandwhich.
Quote from: Wingspan on June 08, 2006, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 08, 2006, 04:09:30 PM
The Sporting News' offseason grade
QuoteEagles: The best move was re-signing right tackle Jon Runyan. They're hoping the flight of Terrell Owens is addition by subtraction, but they can't say that about linebacker Keith Adams. Grade: C-
uh you most certianly can
Wrong. He was the catalyst for all the defensive success the team had last year. ALL OF IT!
Quote from: FFatPatt on June 09, 2006, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on June 08, 2006, 04:18:11 PM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on June 08, 2006, 04:09:30 PM
The Sporting News' offseason grade
QuoteEagles: The best move was re-signing right tackle Jon Runyan. They're hoping the flight of Terrell Owens is addition by subtraction, but they can't say that about linebacker Keith Adams. Grade: C-
uh you most certianly can
Wrong. He was the catalyst for all the defensive success the team had last year. ALL OF IT!
exactly 8)
He tackled LT a couple of times, so ... actually, that was all of the defensive success last year. Damn. GET ADAMS!