I find this thought process interesting and I wonder where it comes from. Certainly the coaching staff has brainwashed Spads.
In Spads latest article:
QuoteBut this is a new age of NFL, so the way to win on a consistent basis is to gain quick yards via the passing game.
Now I have to question this considering the Steelers and Seahawks ranked 5th and 3rd in rushing last season while ranking 24th and 13th in passing. If this is the new age of the NFL, shouldnt using the 2 superbowl teams of last year be a measuring stick? Its clear that a ground game can win also. Im just wondering why it has to be one way or the other from the Eagles camp.
That's an amazing quote, even for Yesman. He needs to be deprogrammed.
doesn't he have any pride? it's so transparant that he's a farging mouthpiece for the team and has no real thoughts whatsoever.
can someone explain to me what this "new age" nfl is...cause to me its essentially the same game it was 20 years ago...he literally making stuff up that will sound good to the sheep that read him and thus build support for andys philosophy...i can hear people now "dood in the new age nfl you HAVE to pass 60 times a game, its just the way it is"
doesn't he have any pride? it's so transparant that he's a farging mouthpiece for the team and has no real thoughts whatsoever.
one word or less....NO
link to full article (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=48805)
Yuck. More "stay the course" B.S. 10-6 max.
i like how he says that reid is pleased that there are numerous starting positions up for grabs
and spins that into a way of praising the teams great depth
It's a nice way of saying that they're not sure how much front-line/starting talent they really have or not.
precisely...much in the same way the eagles get slurped on for having the most undrafted free agents make their team every year...it sounds good but do you really want it happening on your team
Quote"Last year, I will be honest with you, the numbers got a little skewed towards the pass and we need to get back to what we have done here before and that is balance it up a bit more and give the running game an opportunity to work in there with the pass game," said Reid during his closing press conference.
:o No shtein!
Now that I am conscious of being called a homer, this is going to sound even worse than it should...
But I understand what he is trying to say. He might not be conveying the point right though.
With the way the NFL has limited defenders from getting after the QB and severely limited the defensive backs from covering WRs + the if-you-touch-him-its-a-flag stuff, I see why teams think passing is the way to go.
You still have to run. So I'm not saying there should be a 80/20 balance. I'd like it to be 55/45.
But I see the point.
It's true. With Air Coryell flying weekly in San Diego, and young Warren Moon airing the ball out in Houston, truly a new era has dawned in the NFL. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pick up the new Fat Boys album.
The newest update from Dave Spadaro:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=56249
:paranoid
What does that signify? I used to always have that happen when i was a kid. :paranoid
QuoteI was in my doctor's office two days later and he performed a very unpleasant test...
:-D :-D :-D
Certainly Childress is no slack to the run game. Reid is not fooling anybody with this shtein. We're going to balance it out this year, bullshtein. Nothing has changed yet, and when we go play the big boys like jacksonville and the colts we could be very disappointed. I know this team can beat both those teams, but with his approach, I find it very hard to see us winning.
that is the most sickening condecending column that pos has ever written
lol @ the wr's being the deepest theyve ever been with hank baskett as the #3
Does hank have a catch yet?
I'll take Baskett over Freddie Mitchell. Maybe. I don't know, Baskett hasn't done enough interviews yet. I'll take him over Pinkston, at least. Can we trade Greggie to get Thrash back?
Greggie is so weak, he's the new pinkston
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on September 27, 2006, 02:06:28 PM
Does hank have a catch yet?
2 catches for 33 yards. As a starter, he had all of 1 catch and Greg Lewis got a ton more looks.
(Oh, and Billy McMullen actually has 4 catches for 60 yards.)
Well we all knew Hank didn't have the speed to break away. I think it's on McNabb to trust him and throw it in there and let Hank make the play with his hands.
Never having a WR like that before, I don't expect McNabb to start now.
or hank might just SUCK
Do you think Spads asked Banner and Reid if he could go to the doctors office before he went?
only after work hours, cause his suck up job is VERY IMPORTANT from 9 to 5.
Spadaro's column is becoming increasingly Larry-King-in-USA-Today-esque.
"This Eagles defense rivals the great defenses of the Buddy Ryan era... Did you see Mike Patterson return that fumble on Sunday? Andy Reid drafted him because of that speed... You know who I like? The Black Eyed Peas... Brian Westbrook is looking better than ever this year. I can't be the only one who's noticed how firm his buttocks looks this season... Pete Jenkins brings a whole new philosophy to defensive line and it's paying off... The Eagles have full confidence in Donovan McNabb right now... Rosie O'Donnell still doesn't seem at home on The View... Here's a list of all the breakfast foods they were serving to the Eagles at Super Bowl XXXIX..."
Quote from: QB Eagles on September 27, 2006, 08:05:02 PM
Spadaro's column is becoming increasingly Larry-King-in-USA-Today-esque.
"This Eagles defense rivals the great defenses of the Buddy Ryan era... Did you see Mike Patterson return that fumble on Sunday? Andy Reid drafted him because of that speed... You know who I like? The Black Eyed Peas... Brian Westbrook is looking better than ever this year. I can't be the only one who's noticed how firm his buttocks looks this season... Pete Jenkins brings a whole new philosophy to defensive line and it's paying off... The Eagles have full confidence in Donovan McNabb right now... Rosie O'Donnell still doesn't seem at home on The View... Here's a list of all the breakfast foods they were serving to the Eagles at Super Bowl XXXIX..."
Spads watches The View? :-D
I think QB took some artistic liberties. With hilarious results.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 27, 2006, 03:31:51 PM
or hank might just SUCK
What has he done for you to say that? Besides being slow, he hasn't done anything to prove either way. The fact is, with Stallworth, Westbrook, LJ, and Brown, our 3rd WR isn't going to be as big a part of the offense as it has been in the past. And with Greg Lewis constantly matched up on #4 WR's, he'll get open a lot more with his speed/lack of talent at the #4 CB posistion of other teams.
Hank has caught the only two footballs that have hit him in the hands. He's the only guy who hasn't dropped one yet, actually.
Even Reggie's been slow to get in on the action.
freddie mitchell couldn't get open and had good hands too.
You can always count on Munson to defend the suckiest suck who ever sucked as long as their wearing Eagles Green. He'd make an outstanding taterskins fan.
So you think Hank Baskett is worse then Scott Young as an Eagles football player? :evil
Please tell me what Hank has done to prove that he "sucks".
He's done nothing on the field. He started last week, during a game in which the offense scored 31 points and had ONE catch. To you apparently that makes him a good player. To me, when a player does nothing, they suck.
Not saying either of you are right or wrong - but just because he "started" doesn't really mean much. Buck started too being that he was on the field for the first snap. They happened to open up in a formation that he was included in.
Quote from: MURP on May 17, 2006, 11:57:56 AM
QuoteBut this is a new age of NFL, so the way to win on a consistent basis is to gain quick yards via the passing game.
sorry, dont mean to keep hanging around here but this clown is 3 decades late with this crap and very wrong too. this is basic "bill walsh offense for dummies" shtein
only 3 teams can run it consistently and win: Denver, Philly and Seattle. All 3 HCs were signifigantly influenced by Walsh and know exactly what players they need and what plays to use, tweek and dial in from Walsh's playbook for their own versions. It helps that these 3 actually "get it" and the results speak for themselves.
the reason he's wrong is defenses have caught up with the WCO. "new age" my ass, it was new age when shanahan, holmgren and reid became successful HCs and the rest of the sheep of the league followed.
mike mccarthy got undeserved respect simply cuz he was qb coach for KC when Montana finished his career there. Montana schooled him in the WCO at it's purest form. he didnt do shtein for us last year and thank god the packers bought into it and took him away....even Walsh said he was overrated from the beginning
if anything, the WCO is becoming more and more outdated. only the above mentioned coaches are good/smart enough to remain successful
what a clown ::)
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2006, 02:16:38 AM
Not saying either of you are right or wrong - but just because he "started" doesn't really mean much. Buck started too being that he was on the field for the first snap. They happened to open up in a formation that he was included in.
That's almost like what I'm trying to say. He's probably the 4th option at best on some plays, and usually the 5th. Even when he was starting, I'm sure he was 4th behind Brown/Smith/Westbrook. Unless the play is specifically designed to go to him, which will probably happen once a game, he won't get many looks.
Oh well if he's the 4th or 5th option on most plays he MUST be good. I mean, seriously. The 4th or 5th option on a field that is already missing one of its top playmakers (Stallworth) means that he is normally the 5th or 6th option. Really good player we have there.
I never said he was so good. I said what has he done to make you think he sucks so bad.
Stallworth/Brown/Westbrook/Smith=all better options. All will get the ball before a rookie UDFA WR.
Greg Lewis vs. NFL #4 CB's=Will get open easier with speed/playing against a zesty CB.
Sorry to use logic, I know how much you hate that.
You call that logic? It's wishful thinking you farging twit. All you're doing it proving my point further. When a player is the 5th or 6th best offensive option (6th or 7th if you count McNabb) they suck. Period. You are unbelieveable. You actually think that you're idiotic optimism about a scrub player is logical. Christ. farging kill yourself.
He's ahead of Greggie, who sucks, and behind Reggie, who's inconsistent. I think we can all agree that Hankie is inconsuckent.
At this point I'd rather have Greg Lewis on the field than Hank Baskett, and frankly it isn't even close.
I'd rather have a guy out there not being thrown to than a guy that's going to lateral the ball to the defense. Actually, I'd rather have Cole and Tapeh out there running it.
Quote from: General_Failure on September 28, 2006, 03:35:26 AM
He's ahead of Greggie, who sucks, and behind Reggie, who's inconsistent. I think we can all agree that Hankie is inconsuckent.
That sounds fair.
Are we all grumpy this morning/?>?
Who wants to sex Tapeh?
What has he done for you to say that?
i said he MIGHT suck
from the moment i watched him in training camp for a weekend i have been steadfast in my opinion of him...an opinion that doesnt need to be rehashed
good day sir
:-D
He said, "Good day!"
IGY doesn't turn black until 9am
GF, Im sure you got pull. Could you find Hank's email address and send him the "Hank Baskett Hysteria thread" to let him know that everyone that rode his nuts in the preseason truly appreciated that one catch he had, and thought he was Jesus with cleates?
Baskett = waived
Its a little early to write off Baskett the dude is still a rookie. Speed obiviously isn't the strong point of his game, but I am not ready to say he is going to suck just yet.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on September 28, 2006, 09:40:34 AM
Its a little early to write off Baskett the dude is still a rookie. Speed obiviously isn't the strong point of his game, but I am not ready to say he is going to suck just yet.
Oh come on!! Are you retarded?!! HE SUCKS! Kill yourself!! BURN! Meatcicle, Meatcicle!!
bottom line is that right now Baskett is being used more than the Eagles own draft pick Avant.
At least he's not Jabbar Gaffney.
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2006, 09:50:04 AM
bottom line is that right now Baskett is being used more than the Eagles own draft pick Avant.
It's because he went to Michigan. They have crappy WR's there.
(P.S. GET MARIO MANNINGHAM AND STEVE BREASTON - THAT IS INCREDIBLY ACCURATE)
But seriously - Avant was hurt for the beginning of TC and got a slow start. I think when all's said and done, he's going to have a much better NFL career than will Baskett. His toughness, route-running, and hands are things that you can't coach into just anyone. Minus the elite straight-line speed, he's going to be a very, very good WR.
Avant has great feet and a feel for the sidelines. Manningham looks great but you always have to worry about michigan wrs :paranoid
Avant has great feet and a feel for the sidelines.
he should
I don't think predicting 70 catches, 1000+ Yards, and 8+ TDs for Baskett is unreasonable.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on September 28, 2006, 02:06:07 PM
I don't think predicting 70 catches, 1000+ Yards, and 8+ TDs for Baskett is unreasonable.
For his entire career? Agreed.
Oh, RJS, it's so funny to see you get so upset. ;D
I'm saying I'm using logic to prove to you that Baskett, ass the #3 WR in this offense, will not get a lot of looks, and therefore wwill not put up great numbers. I know in your world there are no such things as "role players", but in the NFL there is. Hank Baskett is a role player who has proven in TC, pre-season, and in the few plays he's seen come his way in the NFL that he has very good hands. He's not fast enough to get open all the time, and our QB has shown a problem with wanting to fit the ball into tight spaces. In order for him to get open, he's going to have to learn how to settle into the soft spots in zone coverage. Rookies are never very good at that in thier first year, and it's something that is learned in time.
Settle down, little man. I know how much you hate it when people are positive about the Eagles.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2006, 11:50:25 AM
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2006, 09:50:04 AM
bottom line is that right now Baskett is being used more than the Eagles own draft pick Avant.
It's because he went to Michigan. They have crappy WR's there.
(P.S. GET MARIO MANNINGHAM AND STEVE BREASTON - THAT IS INCREDIBLY ACCURATE)
But seriously - Avant was hurt for the beginning of TC and got a slow start. I think when all's said and done, he's going to have a much better NFL career than will Baskett. His toughness, route-running, and hands are things that you can't coach into just anyone. Minus the elite straight-line speed, he's going to be a very, very good WR.
Agreed. Avant's future with the Eagles is much brighter than Baskett's.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2006, 01:53:29 PM
Avant has great feet and a feel for the sidelines.
he should
= funny.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2006, 03:10:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on September 28, 2006, 02:06:07 PM
I don't think predicting 70 catches, 1000+ Yards, and 8+ TDs for Baskett is unreasonable.
For his entire career? Agreed.
Are you kidding me? u r h8r!1!! I was thinking he'd have those numbers by week 8, then duplicate them in the playoffs. Where has all the hysteria gone?
Baskett Hysteria is no match for Stallworth and his Receiver Madness.
Quote from: Munson on September 28, 2006, 03:23:21 PM
(More rah rah nonsense to try and explain why the Eagles started a player who doesn't deserve to see the field).
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/rjs246/munson.jpg)
Nice cutoff sleeves.
Thank you. I know I could slap you around, so it makes your constant bad mood and tough guy persona that much more hilarious. :D
Please, prove to me that Hank Baskett sucks. I know what your opinion is, but that's all it is. You're uninformed, thoughtless, I-just-want-to-be-negative opinion.
I've already proven that he sucks. He has 2 catches. Would you like me to list every professional player in the league who has more than two catches?
I'm done chatting with you. Please kill yourself.
Nice shirt.
No, I'd like you to list the 5th option of every offense in the leagues numbers. Because, using logic, we can deduct that the 3rd WR in this offense is, in effect the 5th option when on the field.
The 5th option on any team isn't going to get very many looks. When you have guys like LJ and Westbrook catching the ball, the #3 WR just isn't as important on the field.
And thanks. I have 4 or 5 sleeveless T's, I try to wear them in the summer when it's hot out. I used to wear them to lift too, but UD doesn't allow sleevless in the gym. It sucks, makes me sweat a lot more.
:D
are u hitting on him?
nevermind. you are.
:-D
I think he just likes my arms.
I, on the other hand, am very interest in your avatar. Boobs are always good.
BTW, I'm still waiting on a good reason why Hank Baskett has proven that he sucks. I'm not saying he's good, I just don't see how you judge an URFA who is hte 5th option in his offense through 3 games. But that's just me.
I couldn't help myself I had to post one more thought here.
Offensive touches:
1. Westbrook, 19.7/game
2. Buckhalter, 9.7/game
3. Stallworth, 5.5/game
3. Smith, 5.3/game
4. McNabb, 3.7/game
5. Brown, 2.7/game
6. Lewis, 2.3/game
7. Tapeh, 2/game
8. Moats, Shoebel, Baskett .7/game
He is tied for the 8th option on offense. So if your point is that he is good compared to the other 8th options across the league than maybe you have a point. But that's on par with saying 'That one retard at the special olympics is slightly less retarded than the other retards.' He's still a retard. And Baskett is still awful.
So to summarize, I have given you all kinds of statistical evidence that Baskett sucks and you are still asking for proof. You obviously can't count because you keep insisting that Baskett is the 5th option on offense, when he clearly is not. And you claim to own a whole slew of sleeveless shirts. You're a joke.
Okay first of all....you included McNabb as one of the "options." McNabb is the quarterback, he touches the ball every play. He is not an "option" for himself to go to.
2nd, lets look at who you listed, and what I've already said in this thread.
Greg Lewis, matched up against NFL #4 CB's will get open a lot more often then a slower rookie in Hank Baskett matching up against NFL #3 CBs. I've already pointed that out in this thread. Greg Lewis hs proven to be a very good #4 WR who creates mismatches agains the terrible corners designated to cover him.
3rd, touches per-game does not determine who is what option in the offense. Infact, when Matt Schobel is on the field, that in all likely hood means it is a two TE set, and Hank Baskett will NOT be in the field.
Buckhalter is a running back, his touches on running plays have no effect on what option Hank Baskett is on a passing play. He's obviously going to average more touches per game then a #3 WR.
Tapeh is a starter, but I'm sure when a pass play is called, and both he and Hank Baskett are on the field (which will be very rare, unless the Eagels go 3 WR, 2 RB backfield and decide to bring Baskett in over LJ Smith), Hank Baskett will be looked at before Thomas Tapeh, who will be a check down if no one gets open.
That leaves Westbrook, Stallworth, Brown, and LJ Smith. All of which I've already said are better targets then Hank Baskett when all 5 of these players are in the game. And all 5 of those players in the game is the most likely combination out of any to have Baskett on the field.
Since you can't read, I'll try this again. Maybe you've learned how to read. I doubt it though.
When Hank Baskett is on the field, he is the 5th option behind Westbrook, Stallworth, Brown, and Smith. Those 4 are all veterans, and all sans Stallworth have more expierience in the offense then the undrafted rookie free agent. They are also all starters. These 4 will all get the ball before Hank Baskett, as should be the case. So I ask again....put up receiving stats from guys who are essentially the 5th option in thier offenses on passes, and prove to me how terrible Hank Baskett is because he's only had two catches as the 5thoption in our offense.
Logic and common football knowlage tell me that Hank Baskett will not put up great numbers this year. He will put up the numbers of a small role player. Which is what he is. This does not mean he sucks. I'm sorry if that angers you.
And yes, I own sleeveless shirts...I'm sorry your old, saggy body looks like shtein run over twice, but I honestly don't care about your opinions on fashion, nancy. :yay
Have a nice day. :)
So when he's on the field, which is rare, he is the last offensive option and even the QB is more likely to keep the ball and run than throw to him. Overall in the offense for this team he is the 8th option. Again you're trying to use semantics to prove a point when the fact is that you have no point.
Stop talking about your body fancy boy. And no, I will not make out with you. Stop PMing me.
The fact is that Hank Baskett has not done enough to prove that he sucks, nor has he done enough to prove he is good. So it is foolish to sit here and say either way. While I'm not sitting here saying he's good, you are sitting here saying he sucks.
Good job. :yay
Aww that last part was a nice touch. Did it really take you a half an hour to come up with that? How many times have you seen Billy Madison? :D
I'll stop talking about my body when you stop bringing up what I wear. My sleeveless shirts have nothing to do with Hank Baskett catching everything McNabb has thrown to him. 8)
Quote from: Munson on September 29, 2006, 05:10:32 AM
The fact is that Hank Baskett has not done enough to prove that he sucks, nor has he done enough to prove he is good. So it is foolish to sit here and say either way. While I'm not sitting here saying he's good, you are sitting here saying he sucks.
Good job. :yay
Aww that last part was a nice touch. Did it really take you a half an hour to come up with that? How many times have you seen Billy Madison? :D
I'll stop talking about my body when you stop bringing up what I wear. My sleeveless shirts have nothing to do with Hank Baskett catching everything McNabb has thrown to him. 8)
just so you know, you're the reason God created incurable diseases.
Hank Baskett smokes in bars and restaurants.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 29, 2006, 11:58:34 AM
Hank Baskett smokes in bars and restaurants.
Not in Philly. :yay
I've been tracking the passing targets throughout the year. (http://eagleswarroom.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=45)
Baskett has been targeted 4 times in the first 3 games.
Season Total Targets
----------------------------
Westbrook: 22/16
LJ Smith: 20/15
Brown: 19/8
Stallworth: 17/10
Lewis: 10/7
Tapeh: 6/4
Buckhalter: 4/4
Schoebel: 4/2
Baskett: 4/2
I wonder how many of those that theey didn't catch arer drops, and how many of those are McNabb throwing at thier feet. Reggie....what happened to your hands?
Anyways, all that proves as far as what option Baskett is, is that if Westbrook, Buckhalter, Stallworth, Brown, LJ, Lewis, Tapeh, and Schoebel are out there with Baskett, then he is the 9th target. That offense will obviously never be run.
When Baskett is on the field, he's out htere in 3 WR sets. In which case he'll probably be the 5th best option to throw too behind the top 2 WR's, the TE, and Westbrook. I doubt he'll break 25 catches this year, unless he becomes targeted more and more....which just won't happen. He's a small role player, that's how he'll remain.
MURP, got a stat on drops? My computer has been slow to bring up your site.
In which case he'll probably be the 5th best option
hes the 5th best option because he cannot get open in the nfl...thus hes worthless...whether he sucks or not is irrelevant and you bringing it up is being over semantical and just trying to argue
the guy cant play and theres a decent chance he wont even be in the nfl next year...call it what you want
I'm just pointing out it's stupid to say either way on a UDFA through 3 games who isn't going to get the ball ahead of Stallworth/Brown/SMith/Westy when he's on the field.
I don't care if he isn't in the NFL next year, as long as Avant steps up and becomes the slot guy. I hope they try and get him on the field more (or, just activate him) as the year goes on.
I'm just pointing out it's stupid to say either way on a UDFA through 3 games who isn't going to get the ball ahead of Stallworth/Brown/SMith/Westy when he's on the field.
forget three regular season games....it took me less than three days of watching him in training camp to see exactly what he was gonna be
Quote from: Munson on September 29, 2006, 03:04:37 PM
MURP, got a stat on drops? My computer has been slow to bring up your site.
Yes. I track drops also.
QuoteSeason Total Dropped Passes:
Stallworth: 3
Brown: 3
Westbrook: 3
LJ Smith: 2
Tapeh: 2
Schoebel: 1
Lewis: 1
It seems like more then that from Reggie. I hope the dropsies get cured when the games count...