They just showed a clip of Ashly Lelie on the local sports from a Denver affiliate. He was being interviewed by a Denver reporter and he looked pissed off. Said he feels like he is now the #3 WR in Denver behind Walker and Smith. Wants to prove everyone wrong. Said he can be a #1. I loved his attitude. He wants out of Denver and has something to prove and will probably be show casing himself where ever he goes.
I doubt Denver would release him.
Any thoughts? Brown, Pinky, Gaffney, Lewis - not feelin' it.
Lelie = Pinkston
He's also a FA after the season and looking for a reworked contract....
I'd take him for a fourth only because he knows the WCO and he adds depth but I highly doubt he's even a #2 on our team which isn't saying a whole of a hell lot.
I was high on Lelie coming out of college, but he's made me look like a fool saying he'd be a star in this league. Major disappointment. I'd rather have Pinkston personally. I'd take Lelie for free, but I wouldn't give up a pick for him.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2006, 12:45:18 AM
Lelie = Pinkston
He's also a FA after the season and looking for a reworked contract....
My bad, I forgot he is a FA next year.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 17, 2006, 12:45:18 AM
Lelie = Pinkston
Even when Pinkston was completely healthy, Lelie was slightly better. Now, Pinkston's health is certainly a question mark. Considering they are receivers with very similar playing styles, I actually think Lelie is one of the guys that you could simply say is better than Pinkston in every way.
That said, if he wants a #1 job handed to him on a platter, farg him.
id take him in a second
Lelie is one of those guys who comes up really small when it counts. And his hands are ridiculously inconsistent. Moreover, I think he's too psychologically fragile for Philly. That said, I'd take him...but I wouldn't give up much to get him at all. I think he'd drive fans to riot here.
Didn't the Eagles get rid of an under-achieving, whiny loud mouth just last year? Why would they want another one??
Pass.
Didn't the Eagles get rid of an under-achieving, whiny loud mouth just last year? Why would they want another one??
what has lelie done to be a loud mouth...because he thinks hes a better receiver than he proved in denver...sounds a lot like what gaffney said about his time in houston...and lelie has better numbers...
so i guess what you really mean to say is the eagles have already signed one loud mouth underachiever this offseason why get another?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2006, 08:34:12 AM
what has lelie done to be a loud mouth...because he thinks hes a better receiver than he proved in denver...sounds a lot like what gaffney said about his time in houston...and lelie has better numbers...
so i guess what you really mean to say is the eagles have already signed one loud mouth underachiever this offseason why get another?
Well, a big difference is that Jabar was willing to play for small money and come into a situation where he wouldn't be guaranteed a thing. Lelie is talking like he'd demand a big extension and a promise to be a starter.
That said, Brown and Lelie starting, with Gaffney in the slot WOULD be a good combo. I just don't think that Lelie's attitude off the start would be accepted or appreciated here after the whole T.O. thing.
If Pinkston were definitely healthy and/or we had the hopes we had for Greg Lewis going into LAST season, I wouldn't see a need to add Lelie. But because both of those situations only bring up more questions, I'd like to bring him in. He adds the one dimension the Eagles aren't sure they can get from any of their other receivers - speed.
Did Gaffney hold out? I honestly don't know.
If not, then I would definitely put Lelie over him in terms of being a "loud mouth disruption."
Also, Gaffney was willing to sign a one-year deal for a reasonable price (in the skewed terms of pro sports contracts, anyway) to come in a situation where he would have a chance- not a guarantee- but a chance to compete for a bigger role than he had in Houston.
Why is Lelie holding out of the mini camps? To prove his point? For more money? Either way, it's a disruption to the team.
If Lelie did what he was supposed to do on the field in Denver, the Broncos wouldn't have gone out and gotten Javon Walker.
Now he's caterwauling over being demoted when his demotion came as a direct result of his inconsistent play. It's his fault that he got demoted yet he's blaming everyone other than himself for it.
Is that the kind of player you want on the Eagles? Another "me first" type? Thanks, but no thanks.
BTW: Lelie sucks.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 17, 2006, 08:50:49 AM
If Lelie did what he was supposed to do on the field in Denver, the Broncos wouldn't have gone out and gotten Javon Walker.
Now he's caterwauling over being demoted when his demotion came as a direct result of his inconsistent play. It's his fault that he got demoted yet he's blaming everyone other than himself for it.
Is that the kind of player you want on the Eagles? Another "me first" type? Thanks, but no thanks.
BTW: Lelie sucks.
I completely agree.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 17, 2006, 08:50:49 AM
If Lelie did what he was supposed to do on the field in Denver, the Broncos wouldn't have gone out and gotten Javon Walker.
Well, same deal with the Texans and Moulds. By all accounts there was very little interest from the Texans in re-signing Gaffney. It could be that he was a PITA behind the scenes, it could be that they simply felt he wasn't good enough, or it could be that he told them he needed a new situation and refused to even negotiate. We don't know.
The situations are different, but saying Gaffney's a good player being rescued out of a bad situation and Lelie's a sucky player and a whiny baby is certainly polarizing it with midnight green goggles on.
if the eagles had aquired lelie he would be a player that was held back in denver and shows great promise and int he end is a very nice addition to the wr corps
while gaffney would suck and if he had just done what he was supposed to do in houston they wouldnt have gone out and gotten moulds
Wait... so....
GET MOULDS?!? :crazy
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2006, 08:58:25 AM
if the eagles had aquired lelie he would be a player that was held back in denver and shows great promise and int he end is a very nice addition to the wr corps
while gaffney would suck and if he had just done what he was supposed to do in houston they wouldnt have gone out and gotten moulds
I didn't want Gaffney either, dook. Why are you injecting Gaffney into a discussion about whether Ashley Lelie is a good fit for the Eagles? He has nothing to do with this.
That said, I would take Gaffney over Lelie any day of the week even though I preferred Moulds over anyone other than Walker.
(Edited - I didn't read FF's post all the way through. I usually don't though, so...) ;)
as long as you think gaffney sucks then we are good
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 17, 2006, 12:57:20 AM
I was high on Lelie coming out of college, but he's made me look like a fool
don't blame that on lelie
If you look back to the thread concerning Gaffney's signing, I'm on the record as being against it. I wanted Givens. I can't stand Gators being on the Eagles.
My opposition might be irrational and stupid but at least it's consistent.
:-D
Quote from: phattymatty on May 17, 2006, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 17, 2006, 12:57:20 AM
I was high on Lelie coming out of college, but he's made me look like a fool
don't blame that on lelie
Ha! So true.
Absence of unhappy Lelie unexcused
By Mike Klis
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com
If Ashley Lelie were here, he might point out that by definition, there's no reason to fuss about his absence.
The Broncos are conducting what the NFL calls a voluntary official team activity the next two weeks at their Dove Valley training complex. Lelie, the Broncos' unhappy wide receiver, has voluntarily chosen to forfeit a $100,000 workout bonus by not participating.
Unofficially, the Broncos are calling this a quarterback camp and say they want everyone to attend. Only kickers, punters and NFL Europe participants are excused.
Lelie was the only unexcused player absent from the workout that technically did not require an excuse. Not that this stopped Broncos coach Mike Shanahan from sending his missing player a message.
"I just know it's hard to be the No. 1 wide receiver when you don't compete," Shanahan said.
There is hope Lelie's offseason protest will reach an amicable resolution by the time participation becomes mandatory in late July with the opening of training camp. His new agent, Denver-based Peter Schaffer, has spoken once in the past two weeks to Shanahan and general manager Ted Sundquist.
Schaffer will try to facilitate a trade, most likely for a conditional 2007 draft pick. The other option is for the Broncos to conclude they are better off waiting out Lelie than letting him play elsewhere for what little they could get in return.
During the NFL draft last month, the Broncos offered Lelie to the Houston Texans and his former offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak in return for the first pick in the fourth round.
Why is this thread in the Eagles Talk forum?
Quote from: Diomedes on May 17, 2006, 12:14:06 PM
Why is this thread in the Eagles Talk forum?
Because there's no Overrated Underachieving Candyass Receivers forum?
Quote from: Diomedes on May 17, 2006, 12:14:06 PM
Why is this thread in the Eagles Talk forum?
assuming it is about "GET LELIE" for the most part.
please dont get Lelie... then again, if Billy McMullen is still on the roster....
Quote from: MURP on May 17, 2006, 01:34:47 PM
get Lelie
Hey, we heard you the first time, dook. Your opinion has been noted.
Maybe he can use Tra for new name since it's vacant, and Ashley isn't hard enough for Philly.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 17, 2006, 01:36:38 PM
Quote from: MURP on May 17, 2006, 01:34:47 PM
get Lelie
Hey, we heard you the first time, dook. Your opinion has been noted.
a vacation has you stuck back in 2005, when quoting fun was all the rave. Back to now, FF.
Quote from: MURP on May 17, 2006, 01:39:55 PM
a vacation has you stuck back in 2005, when quoting fun was all the rave. Back to now, FF.
Well, I would have definitely wanted Lelie for 2005. Now I'm not as sure.
Cant wait until the new football scientist book comes out later in the summer. I remember from the previous years analysis on Lelie, he was only useful on deep routes and sucked with just about everything else. Sounds just like Pinkston as someone else mentioned
Quote from: MURP on May 17, 2006, 02:02:21 PM
Cant wait until the new football scientist book comes out later in the summer. I remember from the previous years analysis on Lelie, he was only useful on deep routes and sucked with just about everything else. Sounds just like Pinkston as someone else mentioned
<flexes cyber-muscles>
Again, healthy Pinkston is not significantly different from Lelie. But Pinkston may very well not be healthy for the start of the season.... so I'm not going to simply thumb my nose at Lelie and say the Eagles couldn't use him.
There's a major difference between Pinky & Lelie and that is Pinkston has played in this offense for the past five years.
It's bad enough that yet another receiver (Gaffney) is going to have to learn the system. Do they really need another guy learning on the fly?
Denver's offense shares a lot of terminology and style to the Eagles'.
Denver is primarily a running team and they don't employ the type of voodoo west coast hybrid that Reid uses.
Regardless, he'd still be coming to a new team just like Gaffney is. Again, do they really need another new face at the position when Pinky already knows it inside and out?
Incidentally, I'm not pimping Pinky because I think he sucks but even so, he's still a better option than Lelie.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 17, 2006, 02:17:02 PM
There's a major difference between Pinky & Lelie and that is Pinkston has played in this offense for the past five years.
It's bad enough that yet another receiver (Gaffney) is going to have to learn the system. Do they really need another guy learning on the fly?
Shanahan is a former Walsh assistant He runs a version of the WCO in Denver. It wouldn't be that hard of a transition.
Either way, I think Lelie is a mild upgrade at best.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 17, 2006, 02:17:02 PM
There's a major difference between Pinky & Lelie and that is Pinkston has played in this offense for the past five years.
It's bad enough that yet another receiver (Gaffney) is going to have to learn the system. Do they really need another guy learning on the fly?
Yeah, but how much good does it do him or the team if he can't run?
Pssst...you had 1 TD last year when your QB had 18 TD throws ...one good playoff game does not count guy. and you might want to try and beat out Walker and Smith before you demand to be a #1. Its pretty sad when the Niners turned down several pre-draft trades for him.
Here were the 2005 rankings when the season started. Though you could probably re-arrange some of these names in the tier 2 column, I saw nothing last year that could even catapult him near the tier 2 status.
1. Randy Moss, Raiders
2. Terrell Owens, Eagles
3. Reggie Wayne, Colts
4. Marvin Harrison, Colts
5. Torry Holt, Rams
6. Nate Burleson, Vikings
7. Javon Walker, Packers
Second Tier
8. Darrell Jackson, Seahawks
9. Joe Horn, Saints
10. Michael Clayton, Buccaneers
11. Chad Johnson, Bengals
12. Hines Ward, Steelers
13. Chris Chambers, Dolphins
14. Andre Johnson, Texans
15. Brandon Stokely, Colts
16. Anquan Boldin, Cardinals
17. Drew Bennett, Titans
18. Steve Smith, Panthers
19. David Givens, Patriots
20. Roy Williams, Lions
Third Tier
21. Jerry Porter, Raiders
22. Jimmy Smith, Jaguars
23. Issac Bruce, Rams
24. Eddie Kennison, Chiefs
25. Santana Moss, taterskins
26. Antonio Bryant, Browns
27. Muhsin Muhammad, Bears
28. Rod Smith, Broncos
29. Laveranues Coles, Jets
30. Eric Moulds, Bills
31. Larry Fitzgerald, Cardinals
32. Brandon Lloyd, 49ers
33. Marcus Robinson, Vikings
34. Derrick Mason, Ravens
35. Deion Branch, Patriots
36. Lee Evans, Bills
37. Rod Gardner, Panthers
38. Charles Rogers, Lions
39. Peerless Price, Falcons
40. Ashlie Lelie, Broncos
i would think steve smith goes a little higher than 18.
with the 1500 yards and 12 TDs and all.
2005 rankings Matty
Ashley Lelie is nothing special.
He's, as it has been said before, another Pinkston.
And people only want him (and Donte Stallworth) because he isn't named Todd Pinkston.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 17, 2006, 11:54:23 PM
And people only want him (and Donte Stallworth) because he isn't named Todd Pinkston.
Isn't that reason enough?
I would like to remind everyone that TODD fargING PINKSTON CAN'T EVEN PRACTICE YET! HE IS COMING OFF A VERY SEVERE INJURY AND MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE PLAYER HE WAS BEFORE INJURY!
Jeezus H. How ANY of you keep comparing guys to a healthy Todd Pinkston is baffling. Get your heads out of your asses and realize that there is a very good chance that Greg Lewis will be the #3 receiver. Doesn't that frighten anyone even a little bit? That means one injury to Brown or Gaffney, and Lewis is starting again.
But hey... we don't need anyone else's starting-caliber WR's! We have a toothpick with a ruptured achilles!
And people only want him (and Donte Stallworth) because he isn't named Todd Pinkston.
or greg lewis
Lelie sucks.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 18, 2006, 07:25:42 AM
I would like to remind everyone that TODD fargING PINKSTON CAN'T EVEN PRACTICE YET! HE IS COMING OFF A VERY SEVERE INJURY AND MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE PLAYER HE WAS BEFORE INJURY!
Jeezus H. How ANY of you keep comparing guys to a healthy Todd Pinkston is baffling. Get your heads out of your asses and realize that there is a very good chance that Greg Lewis will be the #3 receiver. Doesn't that frighten anyone even a little bit? That means one injury to Brown or Gaffney, and Lewis is starting again.
But hey... we don't need anyone else's starting-caliber WR's! We have a toothpick with a ruptured achilles!
So you're saying you would want them to make a run at Lelie?
He has been a big disappointment in Denver. And he has the attitude that he's a star who should be a top guy and paid as such and what has he done to prove his worth?
I am all for upgrading. But I don't think Ashley Lelie is that guy.
And we're an injury to Trotter from Simoneau/Gaither/whoever playing MLB...
And we're one injury away from seeing Jeff Garcia or Koy Detmer playing QB...
Would I like to see another WR? Pretty much. But it depends on who it is. And I'm no Lelie fan.
And don't you think that if the Eagles thought Pinky had no shot of being ready they would be out there looking at other guys?
I think that at least being open to the idea of trading a mid-round draft pick for a guy who is a little bit better than a healthy Todd Pinkston would be a good idea. It's that simple.
And like IGY said, is there any doubt he'd be an improvement to Greg Lewis?
Actually, the prospect of Greg Lewis as the #3 isn't all that scary. He was a pretty good #3...it was being a #1 or #2 that was a struggle. But as a third receiver, that wouldn't be the end of the world.
I am not a Greg Lewis fan. So I would take him over Mushmouth.
The only way I would be happy to take Lelie would be if it cost no more than a 4th round pick and he didn't insist on a fat ass contract to go along with his new team.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 18, 2006, 08:43:02 AM
He was a pretty good #3...
No, he really wasn't. And being a "good #3" when Terrell Owens is your #1 is a lot different than doing so when you're breaking in a 2nd year player as your #1. The #3 receiver on this Eagles team must be an extremely solid player, because there is no ridiculously talented threat at #1 that will get 35-40% of the looks.
Lewis is a #4 on a good day.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on May 18, 2006, 08:43:18 AM
The only way I would be happy to take Lelie would be if it cost no more than a 4th round pick and he didn't insist on a fat ass contract to go along with his new team.
I'm going to go a little IGY on you and ask... why do you care? This team has cap room coming out of their ass and a few players (Pinkston, Simoneau, Dhani, Fraley) that make fairly good money and are probably nearing the last year or 2 of their tenure. Money isn't an issue for the team and won't be anytime soon.
avg per season for last 2 years played:
lelie: 48 rec, 927 yds, 4 td's
pinkston: 36 rec, 625 yds, 1.5 td's
gaffney: 48 rec, 562 yds, 2 td's
brown: 43 rec, 571 yds, 4 td's (1 season)
lewis: 48 rec, 561 yds, 1 td (in 1 season as starter)
In the big picture, I don't care. What I do care about is him wanting a new deal and how far he'd be willing to take the bitching and moaning...
Insisting on a contract and getting it are two different things.
If they felt he was worth it, Banner would make it fit.
But if Lelie feels he's worth it NOW and gets traded and doesn't get said contract, then what? Will he be like Gaffney and hope to parlay that one year shot into a lucrative deal later on? Or will he sulk about it and whine later in the season if he's the 3rd guy?
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 18, 2006, 08:45:39 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on May 18, 2006, 08:43:02 AM
He was a pretty good #3...
No, he really wasn't. And being a "good #3" when Terrell Owens is your #1 is a lot different than doing so when you're breaking in a 2nd year player as your #1. The #3 receiver on this Eagles team must be an extremely solid player, because there is no ridiculously talented threat at #1 that will get 35-40% of the looks.
Lewis is a #4 on a good day.
Actually, spreading the ball around makes Lewis a better #3...not the other way around. Besides, he wouldn't be the typical #3 in this offense...which is really specialized with the personnel formations. He'd be in when dictated by the matchups, and not always in the slot. Besides, I think the addition of Schoebel means that the team runs more two TE sets this year. And having two pass-catching TEs with some speed limits even further the opportunity for the #3 receiver.
lewis should be playing for the winnepeg blue bombers
Overall, the only way Lelie makes any sense is if he came ridiculously cheap. I mean, if the Eagles didn't get Walker...why would they want to grab the guy that Walker was brought in to replace? Then again, maybe Timmy Chang will put in a good word for him; clearly Chang is a major voice of influence on the team. He could call Banner from Europe to set him straight.
they went after moulds...they went after walker, they obviously don't think they have enough at WR right now.
If they wanted EITHER of those guys bad enough, one of them would be in a Philly uniform. It's a fine line between going after a guy, and trying to look like you're going after a guy. They'd love to upgrade the squad, on the terms they dictate. Nothing wrong with that...but if they were really, really sick over their current WR core, they'd have made a move that counted.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 09:34:16 AM
they went after moulds...they went after walker, they obviously don't think they have enough at WR right now.
AVANT BABY.
joe banner said the eagles wr's are better than the patriots wr's so i believe him.
If they wanted EITHER of those guys bad enough, one of them would be in a Philly uniform
post of the year
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 18, 2006, 09:34:16 AM
they went after moulds...they went after walker, they obviously don't think they have enough at WR right now.
I know they went after Walker but I don't recall hearing anything about them going after Moulds.
I could be wrong, but frankly, it's moot anyway. Walker & Moulds are light years better than Lelie (and anyone else on the team right now other than Brown) so while I could see them going after both of those guys, I can't say the same about Lelie. He's nowhere near their class and would be a #3 in Philly at best.
lelie is better than every eagle wr except possibly reggie brown
its also a given that they would not give up for lelie what they would for a moulds or walker...they arent getting lelie and im not even saying they should...but dont beleive for a second he wouldnt be a significant upgrade over lewis and a brokedown pinky
Guys.. come on.
Brown #1
Gaffney #2
That's who the starters are going to be. I think that from Pinky, Lewis, Wilbur, Avant or McCants, a suitable #3 can be found.
For God's sake, we've wasted 10 pages arguing over a prospective #3 receiver and that's all Lelie would be here. And he has already said that he's not interested in competing for a starting spot. He wants it handed to him on a silver platter. Do any of you think Andy's going to do that for him?
Please...
how this thread got beyond 2 comments is beyond me. While we are speculating, why not throw in every other 3rd reciever looking for a job and argue about the Eagles getting them?
Quote from: SidFarkus on May 17, 2006, 02:55:23 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 17, 2006, 02:17:02 PM
There's a major difference between Pinky & Lelie and that is Pinkston has played in this offense for the past five years.
It's bad enough that yet another receiver (Gaffney) is going to have to learn the system. Do they really need another guy learning on the fly?
Shanahan is a former Walsh assistant He runs a version of the WCO in Denver. It wouldn't be that hard of a transition.
Shanahan never coached under Walsh. Ever.
Either way, I think Lelie is a mild upgrade at best.
i'll remember this thread in week 4 when the word "seperation" becomes a buzz word again
try day 4, at camp.
and Ill always remember this year saying that Brown and Gaffney are our #1 and #2
you need more than 2 wideouts...especially when you through the ball 60% of the time
saying that Brown and Gaffney are our #1 and #2
ouch
i dont wanna hear you or anyone else say that ever again
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 01:01:48 PM
saying that Brown and Gaffney are our #1 and #2
ouch
i dont wanna hear you or anyone else say that ever again
But, it's the truth.
Quote from: VET STADIUM TURF on May 18, 2006, 12:34:28 PM
Shanahan never coached under Walsh. Ever.
Either way, I think Lelie is a mild upgrade at best.
wrong.
EDIT: Actually, my bad, it look like you are right, he was an assistant under Seifert.
Why does everyone always say he's a Walsh assistant then?
He's from that Walsh tree....that's usually the context I hear.
Quote from: Zanshin on May 18, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
He's from that Walsh tree....that's usually the context I hear.
Hasn't FOX Sports determined that half the free world is somehow connected to the Walsh tree?
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 18, 2006, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 01:01:48 PM
saying that Brown and Gaffney are our #1 and #2
ouch
i dont wanna hear you or anyone else say that ever again
But, it's the truth.
I was going to post a photo of Jack Nicholson here but that would be ghey.
mcmullen traded to the vikes today for some no name scrub wr
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 02:57:06 PM
mcmullen traded to the vikes today for some no name scrub wr
Are you shteintin me? Wow.
Brown/Gaffney/Pinky/Lewis/Outlaw?
for this guy i believe
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/hankbaskett.html
FWIW, Gary Papa said the Eagles are looking at Lelie since Pinkston won't start the season at 100%....
:-D
Here we go....
If that's the case and Pinkston isn't ready then I'd take him for a 7th rounder. Maybe a 6th. That's it.
This is on kffl too...
Eagles | Team interested in Lelie; but Denver wants too much in return
Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:49 -0700
Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in Denver Broncos WR Ashley Lelie, but the Eagles are not willing to give up what Denver wants, either a first-day pick or a player of commensurate value.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on May 19, 2006, 12:21:55 AM
:-D
Eagles | Team interested in Lelie; but Denver wants too much in return
Thu, 18 May 2006 15:53:49 -0700
Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Philadelphia Eagles are interested in Denver Broncos WR Ashley Lelie, but the Eagles are not willing to give up what Denver wants, either a first-day pick or a player of commensurate value.
What? Dream on Donkeys. First day pick. Please.
Honestly, maybe a fourth. Third would be pushing it.
Reno and not a god damned thing more.
Quote from: BigEd76 on May 18, 2006, 11:52:24 PM
FWIW, Gary Papa said the Eagles are looking at Lelie since Pinkston won't start the season at 100%....
Wow, weird. I either have inside sources, or I'm just smart enough to read between the lines.
I'm just smart enough to read between the lines
you mean you got the mass fax stating that the eagles wr's suck
They don't all suck, but as a group (especially without a healthy Todd Pinkston), they're certainly among the worst 10 overall WR corps in the league right now. If Pinkston were healthy, he fits a role in the offense, and I'd feel a lot better about the group as a whole. Since he's not, I think they have to get another player that can make a couple of big plays down the field - be it Lelie or Stallworth or someone we haven't really thought of.
I think the OL should be good. I think McNabb should be good. The RB's don't bother me all that much if the team's going to run only 40% or so of the time. I think the Schobel addition will be a very nice one. All that's quality.
I just think they are one starting-caliber deep threat at WR from an offense that can win the Super Bowl.
i agree with everything except the wr's are at least bottom 5....unless reggie is the real deal THIS YEAR...and im not sold on the line yet (especially if youre talking superbowl caliber)
i wanna see andrews in shape
i wanna see herremans be able to play guard
i wanna see william healthy
i wanna see a real center
oh and i wanna see mcnabb be able to come back from last year
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 08:23:17 AM
They don't all suck, but as a group (especially without a healthy Todd Pinkston), they're certainly among the worst 10 overall WR corps in the league right now. Quote from: ice grillin you on May 19, 2006, 08:28:47 AM
i agree with everything except the wr's are at least bottom 5...
It sounds like you guys think our WR's are a BASKETT case.
2.5
Thank you. I can do much worse than that.
Baskettman faster than a kicker.
Able to stop a speeding cheerleader.
Able to jump over a short CB in a single bound.
Baskettman to the rescue!
Decapitation?
yes please
Decapitation?
No problem, I can live with that.
I'd take decapitation over that castration thing anyday.
how about romey cuts off your helmet?
with his teeth
The best argument I've heard for Lelie is basically to get another NFL calibre WR in here. Right now we have exactly one, likely 2. Assuming Pinky is not ready to go, Jabar Gaffney in his 4th year is the senior member of this WR corps. I think Reggie Brown proved that he's at least an NFl calibre WR, I think he'll be very good but that remains to be seen. Right now that means Gaffney & Brown are the only 2 legit WRs that have proven they at least belong in the leauge. I'm not sure Greg Lewis is on that list. He's a 3rd year UDFA, Reggie is going into year 2, then you have 3 rookies. All of which are 2nd day picks or UDFA.
That's not good. That calls for desperate meaures. Lelie, while not a top notch WR by any means, has at least proven himself worthy of being in the NFL. He at least has some pedigree to him.
The best argument I've heard for Lelie is basically to get another NFL calibre WR in here
thats the ONLY argument
If Lelie goes anywhere else, he'll suck. If he goes to the Eagles... PRO BOWL!!1
If Pinkston can't play... then ouch. Greg Lewis being the 3rd guy is not good.
If Lelie can play like he did 2 seasons ago, then he'd be a welcome addition. But he's been inconsistent. Plus he's a free agent at the end of the season. He's just not worth giving up a high pick for. If the Eagles know for sure Pinkston is going to miss say 5 games, then you give up a 5th rounder, but that is as high as you go. Maybe throw in a scrub, but we already gave up our scrubs.
Does Denver need a holder?
Lelie needs that special touch that only a coaching angel can provide. Do the taterskins have any more picks this decade they can give up for him?
I agree that Lelie is better than Randle-El and/or Lloyd, yes. Was that the question?
Is there a more feminine sounding name in the NFL than Ashley Lelie? that is incredibly accurate?
"Todd Pinkston" is pretty close too. Every guy named Todd is gay, and pink is a color for fairies.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 05:51:59 PM
"Todd Pinkston" is pretty close too. Every guy named Todd is gay, and pink is a color for fairies.
Ever hear George Carlin's bit about tough boys names. Hillarious. "Whatever happened to Nicky, Bobby and Tommy. Now we have names like "TTTOOOODDDDDDD!"
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 05:51:59 PM
"Todd Pinkston" is pretty close too. Every guy named Todd is gay, and pink is a color for fairies.
Poontang is pink. ;)
Quote from: Don Ho on May 19, 2006, 08:37:06 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 05:51:59 PM
"Todd Pinkston" is pretty close too. Every guy named Todd is gay, and pink is a color for fairies.
Ever hear George Carlin's bit about tough boys names. Hillarious. "Whatever happened to Nicky, Bobby and Tommy. Now we have names like "TTTOOOODDDDDDD!"
Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at, actually.
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 09:53:21 PM
Quote from: Don Ho on May 19, 2006, 08:37:06 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on May 19, 2006, 05:51:59 PM
"Todd Pinkston" is pretty close too. Every guy named Todd is gay, and pink is a color for fairies.
Ever hear George Carlin's bit about tough boys names. Hillarious. "Whatever happened to Nicky, Bobby and Tommy. Now we have names like "TTTOOOODDDDDDD!"
Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at, actually.
you're no carlin
Surely, but I do enjoy his work.
WTF were you doing posting @ 4:15 AM? :-D
Don't tell me, I know... :-D :-D better you than me, cuz. :D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 20, 2006, 08:42:11 AM
Don't tell me, I know... :-D :-D better you than me, cuz. :D
I don't know what you're getting at, but it wasn't that interesting.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on May 20, 2006, 08:42:11 AM
WTF were you doing posting @ 4:15 AM? :-D
Don't tell me, I know... :-D :-D better you than me, cuz. :D
Three laughing smilies in one post?
Die.
Broncos | Team close to trading Lelie
Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:31:03 -0700
Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Denver Broncos could be getting closer to trading disgruntled WR Ashley Lelie. A trade could be wrapped up within the next week that would be a three-team deal and land Denver a tight end. A number of teams have shown renewed interest this week, according to one person close to the talks, and Lelie is desperate to get out of Denver, where he feels he cannot be the No. 1 wide receiver. The team that trades for Lelie is going to want to try to sign him to an extension, as his contract is scheduled to expire after this season.
Chances the Birds are in the hunt? .0000001%
Chances that would be a good idea? 100%
Well they already called the Broncos for interest.
Justin Gatlin too.
Eagles claimed they don't know who he is. I think that whole thing was made up his his agent.
Have anyone within the organization said they have shown Denver they are interest in Lelie? Didn't think so. Until then the reports/rumors carry zero weight with me.
I hear he is visiting the NovaCare complex tomorrow though. A buddy of mine saw him at the airport.
:boo
He's over my place right now. Your buddy's sighting has been confirmed.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on June 06, 2006, 11:53:41 PM
Chances the Birds are in the hunt? .0000001%
Chances that would be a good idea? 100%
Chances you know anything more than the person that speculated about Lelie? 000000000000000000000%
Oh snap! Statistics burn!!!11!
QuoteEagles | Lelie's agent says team has shown no interest
Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:24:39 -0700
Les Bowen, of the Philadelphia Daily News, reports Denver Broncos WR Ashley Lelie's agent, Peter Schaffer, said Wednesday, June 7, the Philadelphia Eagles have shown no interest in trading for Lelie.
Leave it to Les Bowen to get the scoop when no one else can.
He'll be in Eagle Green by the weekend.
I've heard that he IS at the NovaCare Center as we speak write type.
John Murphy, of Yahoo Sports, reports Denver Broncos WR Ashley Lelie has been mentioned as part of a potential three-team trade involving the Atlanta Falcons and New England Patriots, according to a league source. Lelie would go the Patriots while the Broncos would receive Falcons RB T.J. Duckett and Patriots TE Daniel Graham. The Falcons would receive draft choices from both teams. Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan has denied there is a trade in the works involving Lelie.
I read somewhere that John Murphy of Yahoo Sports reported a potential 3 team deal involving Atlanta, New England, and Denver.
Seriously..this thread belongs in Rest of the NFL. Come on.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on June 09, 2006, 04:03:29 PM
I read somewhere that John Murphy of Yahoo Sports reported a potential 3 team deal involving Atlanta, New England, and Denver.
I read the same thing.
I read that the Broncos were ready to deal Lelie for a message board poster named "Philly Forever" until said poster dropped off the grid. Bummer.
Not sure if this is mentioned somewhere else. I don't have a link for the actual quotes, because I stole this info from another (non-Eagles) board.
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a rumor regarding Lelie and the Broncos and Iggles.
Omar (Colo Springs): Will the Broncos keep a headache like Lelie around the whole year? Have they reduced their asking price.
SportsNation John Clayton: (4:31 PM ET ) Lelie will be traded within 10 days if not sooner. He won't be a Denver problem. I'm sure in the end Mike Shanahan will be reasonable.
__________________________________________________ ___________
Angelo (Philadelphia): Will the Eagles make a move to go after Lelie or are they confident in that subpar set of receivers they currently own?
John Clayton: (4:39 PM ET ) The Eagles should be one of the three teams in on Lelie. He may not be a No. 1 guy, but he's a talent and he would have a great quarterback in Donovan McNabb
So, the questions:
a) Should the Eagles try to trade for Lelie?
b) What would they have to offer Denver to get it done?
Someone please launch this thread to Pluto.
Please?
Pretty please??
:-[
I've probably said this before...but while Lelie certainly has some talent, he's been the most inconsistent starting receiver I've ever seen. If he came here, I think people would come to hate him immediately.
Quote from: Zanshin on July 13, 2006, 03:00:54 PM
I've probably said this before...but while Lelie certainly has some talent, he's been the most inconsistent starting receiver I've ever seen. If he came here, I think people would come to hate him immediately.
Like I've said, he's oddly similar to Pinkston. He is very slightly better at pretty much everything and obviously more healthy, but his attitude obviously leaves something to be desired.
That said, I'd trade Pinkston for him one-for-one with teh quickness.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 13, 2006, 03:12:21 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on July 13, 2006, 03:00:54 PM
I've probably said this before...but while Lelie certainly has some talent, he's been the most inconsistent starting receiver I've ever seen. If he came here, I think people would come to hate him immediately.
Like I've said, he's oddly similar to Pinkston. He is very slightly better at pretty much everything and obviously more healthy, but his attitude obviously leaves something to be desired.
That said, I'd trade Pinkston for him one-for-one with teh quickness.
That's pretty much the way I look at it.
He's a Pinky type receiver... who's better at everything than a healthy Pinkston... which we're not even sure we have right now.
pinky for lelie anytime
Quote from: mussa on July 13, 2006, 03:17:57 PM
pinky for lelie anytime
It's unanimous. Someone get Shannahan on the phone, stat.
Nah, Shanny better throw in a 4th, too. We love those. ;)
Eskin: the Eagles are interested if the Broncos back off their demand for a 2nd-rd pick
Quote from: BigEd76 on July 30, 2006, 11:58:02 PM
Eskin: the Eagles are interested if the Broncos back off their demand for a 2nd-rd pick
They should make it a conditional 2nd rounder if he reaches certain performance levels.
A 4th that could turn into a 3rd is the highest I'd go.
do be surprised if Atlanta doesnt make a hard push for him now
Quote from: Bunkley78 on July 31, 2006, 12:34:46 AM
A 4th that could turn into a 3rd is the highest I'd go.
That sounds about right.
I'd do that. I might even do a straight third...and I don't even like the guy.
What the Eagles need is a true possession receiver who is not going to be scared of getting hit going across the middle (i.e.: Todd Pinkston)...they should have tried to get Keyshawn (I hate him, but he's tough).
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:15:29 AM
What the Eagles need is a true possession receiver who is not going to be scared of getting hit going across the middle (i.e.: Todd Pinkston)...they should have tried to get Keyshawn (I hate him, but he's tough).
Great 1st post. Now see my avatar for instructions on how to proceed with your "life".
The Eagles SHOULD have gotten Keyshawn. Regarding our new friend's so-called life, I defer to FF.
Quote from: Diomedes on July 31, 2006, 11:29:04 AM
The Eagles SHOULD have gotten Keyshawn.
I hate you, like, a lot.
Mostly because, in this case, you know I'm right.
Wrong. I think Keyshawn is basically a slower Darnerien McCants at this point in his career, and I think after dumping T.O., having a guy that's just as big of a headcase without all that pesky talent is exactly what the Eagles didn't need. Therefore, I think you and your new Inspector friend should probably die.
i can understand the TO part...but comparing keyshawn to darnerian mccants much less intimating that mccants is better is crazy talk
Why would the Eagles ever be interested in Keyshawn Johnson?
Talk about crazy talk...
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 31, 2006, 11:41:09 AM
Wrong. I think Keyshawn is basically a slower Darnerien McCants at this point in his career, and I think after dumping T.O., having a guy that's just as big of a headcase without all that pesky talent is exactly what the Eagles didn't need. Therefore, I think you and your new Inspector friend should probably die.
a.) TO is ten times crazier than Keyshawn. TO destroys teams, Keyshawn leads them. You can't find a teamate doesn't like Keyshawn. But we've been through this before.
b.) let's take a look at Keyshawn's performance at the end of the year. He's gonna do more than any Eagles #2 or #3 WR, probably more than both of them combined, and perhaps more than our #1. Care to dream up a wager?
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 31, 2006, 11:41:09 AM
Wrong. I think Keyshawn is basically a slower Darnerien McCants at this point in his career, and I think after dumping T.O., having a guy that's just as big of a headcase without all that pesky talent is exactly what the Eagles didn't need. Therefore, I think you and your new Inspector friend should probably die.
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you
don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
Why would the Eagles ever be interested in Keyshawn Johnson?
you obviously havent seen the eagle wr's lately
i wasnt pimping keyshawn but i dont know why getting him would have been considered crazy
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
:-D You'll fit in nicely.
For the record, I would have been on with bringing in Keyshawn.
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
:-D You'll fit in nicely.
For the record, I would have been on with bringing in Keyshawn.
Am I wrong for sensing sarcasm in that post? I don't think so, because (like you) I have noticed that most posters here don't care about facts or reality (only about bashing other posters who's opinions don't match their own)...It's pretty funny actually.
LOL : I just read your sig...that's great (and so true)
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
^^not an Eagles fan, obviously^^
Everyone needs possession receivers, and Keyshawn used to be a good one. Now, he's average at best.
I hate the current corps of Eagles WR's, but I still don't think Keyshawn Johnson was the answer at all, especially after enduring a year with T.O.
And naturally his numbers will be solid with Steve Smith on the other side of the field, probably the best WR in the game right now (or at least top 3). His numbers would have been pedestrian on the Eagles.
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
:-D You'll fit in nicely.
For the record, I would have been on with bringing in Keyshawn.
Am I wrong for sensing sarcasm in that post? I don't think so, because (like you) I have noticed that most posters here don't care about facts or reality (only about bashing other posters who's opinions don't match their own)...It's pretty funny actually.
LOL : I just read your sig...that's great (and so true)
No sarcasm, just saying you gave back as good as he gave. Everyone gets that. It's like a hazing ritual that never ends.
the last thing the eagles need is another possesion guy...which is why i was against keyshawn
had they got keyshawn he would have been by far their best possesion receiver...which is why i was for keyshawn
both reasonable positions.
in short, the Eagles farged up by not improving their WRs...whether or not Keyshawn was the answer.
cut Reid!!
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 31, 2006, 12:05:56 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
^^not an Eagles fan, obviously^^
Everyone needs possession receivers, and Keyshawn used to be a good one. Now, he's average at best.
I hate the current corps of Eagles WR's, but I still don't think Keyshawn Johnson was the answer at all, especially after enduring a year with T.O.
And naturally his numbers will be solid with Steve Smith on the other side of the field, probably the best WR in the game right now (or at least top 3). His numbers would have been pedestrian on the Eagles.
Some good points...I can agree with your assessment.
Personally, I don't like Keyshawn. On the exterior he seems just like T.O., but he doesn't alienate his teammates (as much). However, living in Tampa, I have seen Keyshawn take some vicious hits and hold onto the ball while getting up as if nothing much happened. That kind of player should be a welcome alternative to Todd "Alligator Hands" Pinkston.
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 12:07:07 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
:-D You'll fit in nicely.
For the record, I would have been on with bringing in Keyshawn.
Am I wrong for sensing sarcasm in that post? I don't think so, because (like you) I have noticed that most posters here don't care about facts or reality (only about bashing other posters who's opinions don't match their own)...It's pretty funny actually.
LOL : I just read your sig...that's great (and so true)
No sarcasm, just saying you gave back as good as he gave. Everyone gets that. It's like a hazing ritual that never ends.
Touche. :)
Okay newbie...enough with the nested quotes. It's annoying.
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Okay newbie...enough with the nested quotes. It's annoying.
It does it by default...sorry.
No one here, except maybe the uber-homers, are debating that Pinkston is any good. From all accounts, he's lost the elite speed, so I'm pretty much assuming him to be worthless and hopefully not even make the team.
Keyshawn still wasn't the answer. Givens, Jurevicius, or even Lelie would have been better.
So, which team do you root for, Inspector?
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:15:03 PMIt does it by default...sorry.
I may return to this post after taking drugs later tonight. Trippy, dude.
Jurevicious is a decent possession receiver (and I would rather have him than Keyshawn), but not Givens or Lelie.
I don't have a favorite team, but I grew up in the area so I follow the NFC East.
Good for you.
and you too.
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:17:48 PM
Jurevicious is a decent possession receiver (and I would rather have him than Keyshawn), but not Givens or Lelie.
I don't have a favorite team, but I grew up in the area so I follow the NFC East.
:sly
I've wanted Jurevicious here for the last 4 or 5 years. I'd still take him over anyone we've got, including Reggie.
Anyway, what's with all the harping about Pinkston? The guy isn't even healthy enough to play and figureds to have no impact whatsoever this season.
How can someone who posts on an NFL message board not have a favorite team?
I call shenanigans.
agreed.
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:44:28 PM
agreed.
So, you're obviously a fan of a team we dislike greatly. In which case, my initial advice to you stands.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 31, 2006, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:44:28 PM
agreed.
So, you're obviously a fan of a team we dislike greatly. In which case, my initial advice to you stands.
Actually, that post was in response to this from General_Failure:
"I've wanted Jurevicious here for the last 4 or 5 years. I'd still take him over anyone we've got, including Reggie.
Anyway, what's with all the harping about Pinkston? The guy isn't even healthy enough to play and figureds to have no impact whatsoever this season."
I would have used quotes, but that is a little too "annoying" for some people here. ;)
I can tell you a team I DON'T like: the cowboys.
this thread got REALLY bad REALLY fast
lock
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
I can tell you a team I DON'T like: the cowboys.
Your words have the taint of a taterskins fan. Is that true?
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
I can tell you a team I DON'T like: the cowboys.
Your words have the taint of a taterskins fan. Is that true?
Yes, except the name of that team should never be capitalized. I fixed it for you.
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
I can tell you a team I DON'T like: the cowboys.
Your words have the taint of a taterskins fan. Is that true?
IGY is gonna love this guy.
Premature lock request, homey.
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
I can tell you a team I DON'T like: the cowboys.
Your words have the taint of a taterskins fan. Is that true?
Yes that is true, my words do have the "taint" of a taterskins fan. I just hate the cowboys because they are America's "Bandwagon" team.
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
I can tell you a team I DON'T like: the cowboys.
Your words have the taint of a taterskins fan. Is that true?
Taint being the operative word here...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on July 31, 2006, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:49:02 PM
I can tell you a team I DON'T like: the cowboys.
Your words have the taint of a taterskins fan. Is that true?
Taint being the operative word here...
Are you a cowboys fan?
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 31, 2006, 12:05:56 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
^^not an Eagles fan, obviously^^
Everyone needs possession receivers, and Keyshawn used to be a good one. Now, he's average at best.
I hate the current corps of Eagles WR's, but I still don't think Keyshawn Johnson was the answer at all, especially after enduring a year with T.O.
And naturally his numbers will be solid with Steve Smith on the other side of the field, probably the best WR in the game right now (or at least top 3). His numbers would have been pedestrian on the Eagles.
70+ catches and 6 TD's each of the last 2 years... opposite Terry Glenn. I hope we can get that kind of "average" from an Eagle WR this season.
I luv me sum Key.
Terry Glenn is better than any of the receivers on the Eagles' roster until proven otherwise.
So is Keyshawn.
So is your mom.
You're not, though.
Correct. As can be attested by some at training camp last Tuesday, I have decent hands and speed, but I can't play off the bump whatsoever, a la Greg Lewis or Todd Pinkston.
So, I suck.
At this point I'm hoping the Eagles trade for Lelie just so retarded threads like this one will die screaming.
**RUMOR ALERT**
Brian Startare of WIP said that according to his friend out in Denver the word is that the Eagles and Broncos have had discussions about Ashley Lelie.
The Eagles are reportedly offering a 3rd and Sam Rayburn and the Broncos are strongly considering it.
First reaction?
Too much! My draft pick limit is a 4th. And that's not with giving up a player too.
A 4th all by itself -OR- a 5th and Sam Rayburn.
They have the depth at DT to trade.
A 3rd and Rayburn is way too much. And in no way would I trade Rayburn and ruin our depth at DT, its not like Lelie is an elite receiver. They should try packaging picks like sending a 4th and a 5th the next season.
At this point, I'd do a 4th and Rayburn...and I'd make the 4th upgradable to a 3rd based on performance, if necessary. That said, I don't have much faith that it would happen.
They must have really liked what they saw from Gaffney. Anyway, a 3rd and a guy that might wind up cut isn't too bad for a receiver, considering the guys that are fighting at for 4, 5, and 6 on the roster.
Maybe they can snag a backup OL, RB, or QB in the trade too. Dear Lord, the offense has NO depth.
Or 2 and 3 for that matter.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on August 07, 2006, 08:57:03 AM
Or 2 and 3 for that matter.
Don't hate on future-Hall-of-Famer Hank Baskett!
the Bears are pushing hard for this guy right now and I think he goes there.
after what Lurie just said about "character", I dont see a shot at him
that said, Id take the 3rd rounder no question, but not give up Rayburn cause chances are very high that somebody gets hurt this year on that DL as always...knock on wood
Rayburn's fighting for the 4 or 5 spot at best. And everyone seems hot for Ramsey. He easily could be a roster cut.
I thought Rayburn looked pretty good lastnight, I certainly wouldn't use him as a throw in to get this deal done.
Why is everyone on Rayburn's sack? He has never been good enough to start and the team has used multiple draft picks on DTs in each of the past two drafts. He's nothing special and trading him away is probably the best thing this team could do.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on August 07, 2006, 10:46:52 AM
I thought Rayburn looked pretty good lastnight, I certainly wouldn't use him as a throw in to get this deal done.
I must've missed that part of the game. I saw a complete absence of penetration as soon as the 1s sat down.
Rayburn is a middling DT. We have an assload of decent DTs. What we don't have is an assload of decent WRs. Hence, trading Rayburn for a decent WR would be a no-brainer.
A 3rd and Rayburn is too much, but it's not like the Eagles have a choice. They can't just say, okay we missed out on Lelie, let's just go after the plethora of other vertical threats on the market.
Overpaying may be the only option.
I might agree that a 3rd rounder is too much for Lelie, but lol at the people acting like throwing Rayburn pushes this from a good move to a bad move.
Heckert, Banner, Reid and co. are estatic to have all of us internet GMs weighing in on this possible deal.
Rayburn is in danger of not making this team. Last year he sucked and he sucked in camp so far this year too. He did flash last night but can Ed Jasper give you what Rayburn does? I think so. And I really like Ramsey.
4th & Rayburn = I'd take Lelie. I've upped my offer from a 5th. I'll call the Broncos GM and tell him as I'm sure he's waiting by the phone.
What if we offer a 4th and Rayburn, and Denver says to you that's not going to do it. Give us a 3rd and he's yours.
Would you cave? Do we need a receiver badly enough to give up the 3rd?
Hmmmm...
Maybe. I really think they need a stretch the field guy. I only do it if he signs an extension.
Here's a post I made on the EMB about this;
Quotewould he put us over the top? I don't know. But I do know that I woud like to see a field-stretching presence on this offense. I am fine with the dink and dunk and I love Reggie Brown. But everything is so much easier when you have a guy who a defense must respect when it comes to going deep.
I was not a Pinkston fan. I despised him for his comments after the Carolina NFCCG and after seeing his acts of cowardice in 2004. But the old saying of "you don't know what you're missing until its gone" sure went through my head quite often last year.
Pinky isn't a tough guy nor is he a guy who will give up his body to go across the middle. But he is great at stretching the field.
In 2004 he had 7 catches of 40+ yards.
In 2003 he had 6 catches of 40+ yards.
In his career he has 18 catches of 40+ yards (and averages 15.3YPC)
In 2005 Lelie had 5 catches of 40+ yards
In 2004 Lelie had 5 catches of 40+ yards
In 2003 Lelie had 5 catches of 40+ yards
In his caree Lelie has 18 catches of 40+ yards (and averages 17.9YPC)
Plaxico Burress has 17 career catches of 40+
Chris Chambers has 13 career catches of 40+
Keyshawn Johnson has 9 career catches of 40+
Obviously these guys are more complete receivers than Lelie or Pinkston, but that goes to show that what Pink and Lelie can do is stretch the field.
It will open up Reggie Brown, LJ Smith and Brian Westbrook. And it allows Baskett to not be forced to sink or swim. Same with Avant.
Is there really a legitimate shot of Lelie coming here?
IMO, it depends how the receivers play the next couple of preseason games, and if Pinkston gets healthy by then. If Pink stays sore and Gaffney stays invisible, then I think the Eagles will give it all they have to get him.
But Denver gets to chose where they send him obviously, so whether it's to Philly or not remains to be seen.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 07:40:38 PM
Hmmmm...
Maybe. I really think they need a stretch the field guy. I only do it if he signs an extension.
Here's a post I made on the EMB about this;
I think if they gave up a 3rd then signing him to an extension is a given. We both know how the Eagles are about draft picks. Not saying it's a bad thing. Draft picks are extremely important, so they wouldn't want to give away a 3rd rounder for a one season rental.
They can always recover that 3rd by "franchising" Rod Hood and then trading him.
Where is rjs when we need him?
F'ing slacker.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 09:57:38 PM
They can always recover that 3rd by "franchising" Rod Hood and then trading him.
That impressed with Dexter Wynn?
Joselio Hanson is the future. Duh.
(but that is incredibly accurate, he looked pretty good last night)
Quote from: General_Failure on August 07, 2006, 10:04:58 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 09:57:38 PM
They can always recover that 3rd by "franchising" Rod Hood and then trading him.
That impressed with Dexter Wynn?
Hell no, he sucks. And yes, Hanson did look good.
But Hood will be a UFA after this year. He wants to get paid (JAX gave Brian Williams a $10M SB this year and Hood is better) so he'll leave via UFA. The Eagles can put the FT on him and pretend (for NFL rules sake) that they want to keep him. When he gets pissed about the FT they can trade him for a 2nd or a 3rd.
You're living in a dream world. The FT for a CB is way high (like 8 figures high), so that would be a ton of money to wrap up in Rod Hood for one year. There's simply no way another team would fall for it and give up a high pick for him in that case. Plus, look at the Eagles' recent track record of dealing players with a FT. It sucks.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 07, 2006, 10:15:18 PM
You're living in a dream world. The FT for a CB is way high (like 8 figures high), so that would be a ton of money to wrap up in Rod Hood for one year. There's simply no way another team would fall for it and give up a high pick for him in that case. Plus, look at the Eagles' recent track record of dealing players with a FT. It sucks.
They wouldn't wrap up the money in him. If they couldn't trade him, and they would because the new team would then sign him to a more cap friendly deal, then they would just rescind the FT and let him go
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 07, 2006, 08:00:25 PM
IMO, it depends how the receivers play the next couple of preseason games, and if Pinkston gets healthy by then. If Pink stays sore and Gaffney stays invisible, then I think the Eagles will give it all they have to get him.
But Denver gets to chose where they send him obviously, so whether it's to Philly or not remains to be seen.
If you are Philly why would you want to wait if you really wanted him? Wouldn't you want to get him in and learn the offense? Even though I think the chances are slim to none it would make me happy to see a receiving corp with the top three Brown, Lelie, and Gaffney with Baskett, Avant, and Pinky coming off the bench.
To me, a third and Rayburn is the equivalent of a late 4th rounder. So they should get this deal done.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 07, 2006, 10:15:18 PM
You're living in a dream world. The FT for a CB is way high (like 8 figures high), so that would be a ton of money to wrap up in Rod Hood for one year. There's simply no way another team would fall for it and give up a high pick for him in that case. Plus, look at the Eagles' recent track record of dealing players with a FT. It sucks.
They wouldn't wrap up the money in him. If they couldn't trade him, and they would because the new team would then sign him to a more cap friendly deal, then they would just rescind the FT and let him go
Again, you're living in a dreamworld if you think the Phillies can miraculously make that happen.
Besides, if Hood is good enough to get a FT, he's good enough to be signed to a long-term deal by the EAGLES. I don't think a team has ever franchised their nickel corner in the history of the NFL, and if the Eagles did it, it would have to be because they actually wanted to keep him.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 07, 2006, 10:17:50 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 07, 2006, 08:00:25 PM
IMO, it depends how the receivers play the next couple of preseason games, and if Pinkston gets healthy by then. If Pink stays sore and Gaffney stays invisible, then I think the Eagles will give it all they have to get him.
But Denver gets to chose where they send him obviously, so whether it's to Philly or not remains to be seen.
If you are Philly why would you want to wait if you really wanted him? Wouldn't you want to get him in and learn the offense? Even though I think the chances are slim to none it would make me happy to see a receiving corp with the top three Brown, Lelie, and Gaffney with Baskett, Avant, and Pinky coming off the bench.
Because they don't want to give up a 3rd and Rayburn if they don't have to. ie Pinkston coming back fine or Baskett and Gaffney tearing it up in the next two preseason games.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 07, 2006, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 07, 2006, 10:15:18 PM
You're living in a dream world. The FT for a CB is way high (like 8 figures high), so that would be a ton of money to wrap up in Rod Hood for one year. There's simply no way another team would fall for it and give up a high pick for him in that case. Plus, look at the Eagles' recent track record of dealing players with a FT. It sucks.
They wouldn't wrap up the money in him. If they couldn't trade him, and they would because the new team would then sign him to a more cap friendly deal, then they would just rescind the FT and let him go
Again, you're living in a dreamworld if you think the Phillies can miraculously make that happen.
Agreed.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 07, 2006, 10:22:35 PM
To me, a third and Rayburn is the equivalent of a late 4th rounder.
To me, a 1st, Jeff Garcia, Bruce Perry, Josh Parry, and Sam Rayburn is equal to an early 7th rounder.
We need to give up everyone with an R in their last name to get this done. :yay
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 07, 2006, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 07, 2006, 10:17:46 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 07, 2006, 10:15:18 PM
You're living in a dream world. The FT for a CB is way high (like 8 figures high), so that would be a ton of money to wrap up in Rod Hood for one year. There's simply no way another team would fall for it and give up a high pick for him in that case. Plus, look at the Eagles' recent track record of dealing players with a FT. It sucks.
They wouldn't wrap up the money in him. If they couldn't trade him, and they would because the new team would then sign him to a more cap friendly deal, then they would just rescind the FT and let him go
Again, you're living in a dreamworld if you think the Phillies can miraculously make that happen.
Besides, if Hood is good enough to get a FT, he's good enough to be signed to a long-term deal by the EAGLES. I don't think a team has ever franchised their nickel corner in the history of the NFL, and if the Eagles did it, it would have to be because they actually wanted to keep him.
The Phillies? :sly
All I am saying is that they could put the FT on him with the sole intention of trading him. Much like the Jets did with John Abraham. They'd have to make it appear like they wanted to sign him just to appease the NFL honchos and the NFLPA but they could shop him and deal him, much like the Jets did with Abraham.
All of this was an off the cuff response to giving up a 3rd for Lelie and how they could recover that draft pick if they wanted to
Quote from: General_Failure on August 07, 2006, 10:31:39 PM
We need to give up everyone with an R in their last name to get this done. :yay
Sure, unless their last name is Westbrook, Brown, Andrews, Urmom, Runyan, Herremans, Kearse, Howard, McNrabb, Patterson, Walker, Akers, or Trotter.
Why in God's name would the Eagles ever risk putting a tag on Hood?
They have a Pro Bowl CB starting and on the other side, they have one who should be a Pro Bowler. You don't think that would upset the apple cart in South Philly just a tad?
My God... it would be a disaster.
No, offer Rod mid-level starter's money (which he'd laugh at). If by some miracle he actually took it, great. If not, shake hands, say thanks a bunch and let him walk. Quietly.
Once again, I wasn't advocating that they must keep Hood at all costs.
I simply said that they could get a 3rd round pick or better for him by placing the FT on him and trading him. He's gone either way.
I agree in principle. However, I also believe that placing a tag of any sort on a backup CB would likely piss off Lito & Sheldon to the extent that both of them would start bitching about their contracts.
Do they really need to run that risk all for a measley 3rd or 4th round draft pick?
I think not, my man.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 07, 2006, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on August 07, 2006, 10:31:39 PM
We need to give up everyone with an R in their last name to get this done. :yay
Sure, unless their last name is Westbrook, Brown, Andrews, Urmom, Runyan, Herremans, Kearse, Howard, McNrabb, Patterson, Walker, Akers, or Trotter.
Urmom doesn't play for the Eagles. McNabb doesn't have an R. Rename Herremans to Manneans and get that farging deal done!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 07, 2006, 10:51:51 PM
I agree in principle. However, I also believe that placing a tag of any sort on a backup CB would likely piss off Lito & Sheldon to the extent that both of them would start bitching about their contracts.
Do they really need to run that risk all for a measley 3rd or 4th round draft pick?
I think not, my man.
I thnk they'd understand and/or not care because they've got their cash. Like I said Hood won't be here in 2007 so why not try to milk a draft pick out of the process?
If he just leaves via FA and signs a huge deal, the Eagles will get at least a 4th in compensation from him anyway.
It's not worth all the hassle of the franchise tag, unless they actually wouldn't mind keeping him under a ridiculously high one-year contract. Which I doubt.
Are people really talking about franchising Rod Hood? Have you guys been eating retard sandwiches? Give ONE good reason to franchise a backup player at a position that already has depth. Just one. farging hell.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 08, 2006, 08:04:57 AM
Give ONE good reason to franchise a backup player at a position that already has depth. Just one. farging hell.
So you can trade him for a 3rd rounder! Yay!
Phreak,
Just one question about franchising Hood as a nickel back:
What if he takes it?
Phreak wants the Eagles to put the francise tag on Rod Hood?
Quote from: Diomedes on August 08, 2006, 08:19:37 AM
Phreak wants the Eagles to put the francise tag on Rod Hood?
I think it was just a thought that he threw out- not suggesting or insinuating that the Eagles actually do it.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 08, 2006, 08:04:57 AM
Are people really talking about franchising Rod Hood? Have you guys been eating retard sandwiches? Give ONE good reason to franchise a backup player at a position that already has depth. Just one. farging hell.
I wasn't.
I think it's a stupid idea.
(No offense.)
Quote from: Diomedes on August 08, 2006, 08:19:37 AM
Phreak wants the Eagles to put the francise tag on Rod Hood?
Yes, he does. Because they *might* be able to trade him for a pick a round or so earlier than the compensatory pick they'd get anyway if he left and signed a big deal as an unrestricted free agent.
I was half joking when I said it. But it could be done.I never said I wanted them to do it, I said they could. It's been done before. I said repeatedly that he's gone after this year anyways.
And if he took it they'd be farged. That's why I was half joking when I said they could recoup the draft pick that way.
And after they didn't give up a 3 comp for Burgess I have lost all faith inthe comp system.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 08, 2006, 06:25:40 PM
And after they didn't give up a 3 comp for Burgess I have lost all faith inthe comp system.
It's only slightly based on how the player played for his new team. It's more based on $$$, and Burgess actually didn't break the bank at all for Oakland. If Hood has another solid year this year, his contract will be much bigger than Burgess's was.
Supposedly the Bears are offering Michael Haynes in a package for Lelie...
What's better a 3rd from the Eagles or that package?
Action News reporting that the Eagles are the leaders in a 4-team race to acquire Ashley Lelie. They reported that the Broncos will decide who they will send him to on Monday.
Well, if the Eagles are serious about getting Lelie, then Pinky is clearly done.
That's all there is to it.
"The leaders"
I can picture Andy and Banner slapping high fives going Yes! We just took the lead!
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 09, 2006, 01:20:00 AM
What's better a 3rd from the Eagles or that package?
Our "package" included Sam Rayburn. You don't know if they were planning to include (a) pick(s).
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 11, 2006, 07:53:06 AM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 09, 2006, 01:20:00 AM
What's better a 3rd from the Eagles or that package?
Our "package" included Sam Rayburn. You don't know if they were planning to include (a) pick(s).
Logic alert! Logic alert! Cut that shtein out...
Did anybody hear about a supposed Gargano rumor of Lelie + RB (either T.Bell or Dayne) for McDougle or Rayburn + a draft pick, with Denver waiting until after last night's game to make any decisions?
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 12, 2006, 03:43:26 PM
Did anybody hear about a supposed Gargano rumor of Lelie + RB (either T.Bell or Dayne) for McDougle or Rayburn + a draft pick, with Denver waiting until after last night's game to make any decisions?
No, I didn't. Have you heard anything first-hand about it?
Nah, I haven't bugged anyone for insider info, and I haven't been listening to WIP but supposedly they've been talking about it. After last night's game, it looks like Tatum Bell isn't going anywhere because Mike Bell struggled. IIRC, the Eagles tried to trade for Dayne last year. Maybe they still like him, especially now that he's 3rd string (re: cheaper to acquire).
you are correct Ed, thats what its looking like. McDougle may be a goner. Their DL is beat up and they know we have great depth. my feelings of the Birds go way up if they pull something like that off with a 2 player threat..... but again...no need to say it
Courteney Brown got knee surgery and might not be back for the start of the regular season, so they need another first-round bust to take his place. Works out nicely.
I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.
I'd much rather use TruckDriver than McDougle. Bunkley > Rayburn, Juqua =< McDougle.
I wouldn't want to trade McDougle either. I'd rather just trade a 3rd for Lelie than a 3rd and McDougle for Lelie and Dayne.
Defensive line depth is one of the most important places to have depth on a football team. Dayne blows anyway. Why would we even want him? He's worse than Perry, and by Perry I mean the one that fumbles 5 times a game.
I don't get wanting Ron Dayne either. Despite the fact that he is a big boy he doesn't run hard at all.
I could see them wanting dayne to use as a change of pace back and grind the ball out.
someone gets hurt back there, you have at least a guy that can pick up the tough yards between the tackles.
Tatum Bell is not going anywhere. If you saw the game, hes a weapon outside the tackles and out of that backfield on the swing passes. They need his speed
I'm not a Dayne fan. I hope last year they were only interested because Childress was pimping the guy. Childress was with him at Wisconsin.
I would not give up McDougle either.
Rayburn, yes.
None of this is going to happen anyway.
CSN is reporting that Lelie will be traded to the Eagles or Bears, possibly as early as tomorrow. They think Denver asked for LJ Smith in return, which of course was declined. The Bears also declined an offer of Thomas Jones....
:-D @ them asking for LJ.
They have like 52 TEs already.
I hope they get him and don't give up McDougle.
They have Stephen Alexander and not much else though.....
If this spells the end to the Todd Pinkston era, then sign me up as a fan.
Rookie Tony Scheffler, who they apparently like.
I would think they want a DL since Warren and *shock* Courtney Brown are hurt again.
Rayburn + 5th rounder = good.
Maybe they like Andy Thorn. :paranoid
I don't think they'd do a 5th and Rayburn. They'd probably go with a 4th and Haynes before that since they need a DE more.
I don't like the idea of giving up McDougle either. You want d-line depth.
You rarely see the Eagles get ripped off in deals, so the Eagles will either get him at good value or not get him at all I'm guessing.
5th and Whiting for TO, Feeley for a 2nd rounder are 2 examples of the Eagles getting the best out of deals.
I'm OK with it if it's Rayburn and a #3 or #4 because there's enough depth at DT. I don't want to give up on McDougle yet even though he hasn't done much....
I'm a little hesitant to give up a 3rd. Considering Randy Moss was had for a 2nd and a player, and TO for a 5th and a player. You can get damn good players in this league for 3rd round picks.
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 13, 2006, 07:59:26 PM
I'm a little hesitant to give up a 3rd. Considering Randy Moss was had for a 2nd and a player, and TO for a 5th and a player. You can get damn good players in this league for 3rd round picks.
Moss was given up for a first rounder.
Didnt the Vikings get a pretty good linebacker back in that deal too?
Might as well buy your Bears Lelie jersey right now.
You're such a Baskett-full of positivity.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 13, 2006, 08:35:01 PM
You're such a Baskett-full of positivity.
You're a fat, massive hippo-crite.
I'm not fat.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 13, 2006, 08:10:52 PM
Didnt the Vikings get a pretty good linebacker back in that deal too?
Exactly how good could he be if you can't even remember the dude's name. ;)
I believe it was Napoleon Harris or some crap like that.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 13, 2006, 08:42:26 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 13, 2006, 08:10:52 PM
Didnt the Vikings get a pretty good linebacker back in that deal too?
Exactly how good could he be if you can't even remember the dude's name. ;)
Good point. Of course my definition of a good linebacker is tainted after experiencing years of Nate Wayne, Mark Simoneau, Keith Adams, and Dhani Jones.
It was Harris, he was a former #1 pick by the Raiders, he had a good rookie season but hasn't done anything since.
Simoneau was the NFC Defensive Player of the Month once.
That's why he was so highly ranked in the Yahoo defensive rankings.
:-D
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 13, 2006, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 13, 2006, 07:59:26 PM
I'm a little hesitant to give up a 3rd. Considering Randy Moss was had for a 2nd and a player, and TO for a 5th and a player. You can get damn good players in this league for 3rd round picks.
Moss was given up for a first rounder.
Was it? I'm mistaken
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 13, 2006, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on August 13, 2006, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: Bunkley78 on August 13, 2006, 07:59:26 PM
I'm a little hesitant to give up a 3rd. Considering Randy Moss was had for a 2nd and a player, and TO for a 5th and a player. You can get damn good players in this league for 3rd round picks.
Moss was given up for a first rounder.
Was it? I'm Mistaken
Yeah that is the pick they used on Troy Williamson.
Yeah, that's right.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on August 13, 2006, 08:55:09 PM
Simoneau was the NFC Defensive Player of the Month once.
That's why he was so highly ranked in the Yahoo defensive rankings.
:-D
Mad-Lad has to be thrilled to have him on his squad.
The good news is that he can drop him and pick up Matt McCoy.
regardless if you can good players in the 3rd round of next years draft or not, theres no guarentees of players doing squat. Why chance it? Get the players you need now that can improve your clubs chances of winning. Giving up a 3rd is not going to crush the Eagles future hopes of a championship
hurry up
Lelie will be a Bear. Deal with it.
FF, Im speaking to the ones that think its not a good deal.
Look at my previous prediction and you'll see I was one of the first to predict your prediction
Gotcha. And I agree, it would be a good deal. I'd rather give a 4th and a player, but a 3rd is fine.
3rd straight up or a 4th and a player. I'd do either of those I guess. A 3rd and Rayburn I'd have to think about and a 3rd and McDougle is an absolute no.
I am sure the Eagles FO will greatly take your opinion into consideration, Bunkley.
They better because I just emailed it to Big Red himself.
I hope you got his e-mail addy right:
AR@danielcraig.com
3rd straight up or a 4th and a player. I'd do either of those I guess. A 3rd and Rayburn I'd have to think about
lol....so rayburn to you would be the difference btwn getting lelie or not
I'd pack the truck driver's bags. Lelie may not be the best, but he's probably better than any Eagles receiver not named Brown.
Quote from: BigEd76 on August 13, 2006, 06:55:17 PM
CSN is reporting that Lelie will be traded to the Eagles or Bears, possibly as early as tomorrow. They think Denver asked for LJ Smith in return, which of course was declined. The Bears also declined an offer of Thomas Jones....
CSN is a liar.
Well, they did only say "possibly."
Idiots.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 14, 2006, 08:29:15 AM
3rd straight up or a 4th and a player. I'd do either of those I guess. A 3rd and Rayburn I'd have to think about
lol....so rayburn to you would be the difference btwn getting lelie or not
Didn't say that, but I'd have to think about it. I'd probably do it, but I don't like giving away defensive line depth.
This defensive line has depth. Rayburn can suck a beanbag if it means getting a deep threat for this offense.
I don't like Lelie as a #1 and from what I've seen he's basically useless as anything other than a straight-line guy, but if he can stretch the field and keep his mouth shut he can help this team.
Someone made a Lelie highlight movie with ishtty music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-fan4k5Zj8)
To give Lelie credit... he did make some pretty nasty catches in that reel. The play at 3:40 being at the top of them.
that reminds me of the tim hauck 'hit me with your best shot' youtube montage
Lelie to the Falcons. ah well
And Duckett to the Skins. INFURIATING.
Quote from: rjs246 on August 22, 2006, 09:56:10 PM
And Duckett to the Skins. INFURIATING.
Yeah I heard it on the Radio about 20 minutes ago on my way to pick up some food. A three team deal, I just don't see why the Eagles couldn't have gotten in on something like that it makes no sense. I am really getting sick of other teams making serious efforts to improve when they think they are close. It seems like they are unwilling to take a gamble, they did it one time and got burned so....
No offense, DMF, but every free agent signing is a gamble. And to say that the gamble of TO somehow affected this no trade for Lelie or Duckett is crazy.
Do you honestly see Andy or Heckert saying "We can't give up this player or pick for Lelie because we got burned so bad by TO?"
I wanted Lelie. He's gone and it sucks.
Duckett doesn't really bother me. Not a fan at all. He was excellent last year too, by the way.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 23, 2006, 05:23:53 AM
No offense, DMF, but every free agent signing is a gamble. And to say that the gamble of TO somehow affected this no trade for Lelie or Duckett is crazy.
Do you honestly see Andy or Heckert saying "We can't give up this player or pick for Lelie because we got burned so bad by TO?"
I wanted Lelie. He's gone and it sucks.
Duckett doesn't really bother me. Not a fan at all. He was excellent last year too, by the way.
I know what you are saying, I just think they seem like they are little gun shy. It is not like they can't afford to take a gamble with the amount of cap space they have.
More detail on the Lelie trade.
QuoteBroncos | No one bid for Lelie until trade went down
Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:53:05 -0700
Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports no teams made an offer to the Denver Broncos for WR Ashley Lelie until they finally were able to unload him in a three-way trade Tuesday evening, Aug. 22. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers debated giving up a fourth-round draft choice to Denver, but never offered it. The Houston Texans, with former Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak in charge, considered dealing a fourth-round draft choice to Denver, but also never offered it.
The more I see this deal, the more I'm wondering what the Falcons were doing.
The skins always give up draft picks to improve their team, and they did that. The Broncos got draft picks for a disgruntled player that wasn't going to play for them anyway. Sure, the Falcons had major issues at the #3 WR spot, but now they have even bigger issues at RB.
As long as they have Dunn and Mexico, they'll be just fine running the ball.
They must plan on using Griffith as their short yardage back and from what I have heard on NFL Radio they are very high on rookie Jerious Norwood.
Yes. Mexico rules.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2006, 10:34:44 PM
The more I see this deal, the more I'm wondering what the Falcons were doing.
The skins always give up draft picks to improve their team, and they did that. The Broncos got draft picks for a disgruntled player that wasn't going to play for them anyway. Sure, the Falcons had major issues at the #3 WR spot, but now they have even bigger issues at RB.
Lelie is gonna be gone after this season as well. He's in his contract year and the Falcons are right up against the cap. They won't be able to pay him next year.
I didn't mention that, but I factored it in to my confusion of the Falcons' plans.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 23, 2006, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 23, 2006, 10:34:44 PM
The more I see this deal, the more I'm wondering what the Falcons were doing.
The skins always give up draft picks to improve their team, and they did that. The Broncos got draft picks for a disgruntled player that wasn't going to play for them anyway. Sure, the Falcons had major issues at the #3 WR spot, but now they have even bigger issues at RB.
Lelie is gonna be gone after this season as well. He's in his contract year and the Falcons are right up against the cap. They won't be able to pay him next year.
they might be able to, because when the Falcons and Lelie himself see hes not a #1, he might just take #3 type coin offered by the Falcons
No.
Exactly. When was the last time a player with a big head got shot down to size that quickly? If Lelie struggles this year and/or doesn't get a lot of playing time, he'll just blame Vick and/or Mora and shop his wares as a starter to other teams. And you know what? Someone will bite.
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 24, 2006, 12:58:39 AM
Exactly. When was the last time a player with a big head got shot down to size that quickly? If Lelie struggles this year and/or doesn't get a lot of playing time, he'll just blame Vick and/or Mora and shop his wares as a starter to other teams. And you know what? Danny Snyder will bite.
Fixed.
Are you assuming that Brandon Lloyd won't pan out? C'mon, man. With Al Saunders running the offense, Mark Brunell at QB, now Portis AND Duckett at RB, and Gibbs overseeing it all, how could that possibly happen?
C'mon, man. Think reasonably here.
All I'm saying is that maybe Lloyd isn't getting touched. Just like Betts. These things happen. The Gibbs giveth, and the good Gibbs taketh away.
Of course Gibbs will get it all to work, but it's simple math:
Hole at #4 WR + $17 million burning a hole in Danny Boy's pocket = Lelie a Skin in 2007.
He might wind up the #5 receiver if Plaxico gets cut.
Quote from: EagleFeva on August 24, 2006, 01:19:13 AM
Hole at #4 WR
Wrong!
(http://www.concretefield.info/YaBBImages/avatars/thras-ninja.jpg)
Quote from: General_Failure on August 24, 2006, 01:20:29 AM
He might wind up the #5 receiver if Plaxico gets cut.
Ah... how easily you forget that TO easily could have been kicked out of big D by then. Hello #6!
Holla!!!!
Christ playing hopscotch! The Eagles are going to have to draft all DBs on day one next year just to keep up.
They've done it before, and they'll do it again. Especially when we're calling #26 "LiToast" again this year.
Can I still call him Tito?
Tito Puente > Lito Sheppard
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Tito & Joselio
kinda catchy
If Joselio Hanson gets significant playing time, our D is farged.
I smell a reality series!
Ah, that's what the smell was. I knew I smelled something, but I couldn't figure out exactly what.
Kinda like a new Starksy & Hutch.
Catch Tito & Joselio Friday nights only on CBS3!!
Reality TV has a more pungent odor to it than human feces.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2006, 01:34:20 AM
Catch Tito & Joselio Friday nights only on CBS3!!
NOT 'catching' that show would be more apropos.
Hmm. Good point.
Who'd be the new Huggy Bear?
I vote for Neckbeard.
Justin Fargas is the real-life son of the guy who played Huggy Bear. GET FARGAS!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on August 24, 2006, 01:36:42 AM
Who'd be the new Huggy Bear?
Do you really even have to ask?!
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Hmmm...
good choice on McCants.
Andy Reid would be good too. A big mormon Huggy Bear.