Anyone else see the Minnesota/ Philly rumor, in which Ricky Davis is the biggest name coming out of Minnesota?
Is was reported in a Minnesota newspaper, and on twincities.com.
Hopefully Billy King gets them to throw in Kenard Lang and Jeff Hornacek too...
I couldn't find the rumor on that site, but I did grade Minny's draft an F since I hate that place.
I guess I'll be the prick to post this... doink. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=18219.0)
;)
I was going to post it there, but it seemed like everyone was talking about the Fan Appreciate Day still..
my bad.
kenard lang, huh?
Quote from: hunt on May 04, 2006, 12:42:01 PM
kenard lang, huh?
Isn't/wasn't he a defensive linemen for the Browns?
the hot one Im hearing that could come into fruition is the Kenyon Martin/ Andre Miller for AI and Korver.
I will be truly pissed if Martin is here. i dont need to see a player play 23 times out of 80+ games. Pointless trade
i don't want any part of martin either...too injury prone & his contract is horrible.
btw, the ricky davis rumor is that he'd be part of a trade package for iverson...it was in a minnesota newspaper as a 1 line blurb...no details.
the only way i'd consider it is if minny offers davis, marcus banks, and their 1st rounder....they'd probably have to thrown in 1 more player to make salaries work since a1 makes $10 mil more than davis.
Martin, no thank you. I've always liked Andre Miller.
Quote from: phillywestbrook36 on May 03, 2006, 10:51:02 PM
Anyone else see the Minnesota/ Philly rumor, in which Ricky Davis is the biggest name coming out of Minnesota?
Is was reported in a Minnesota newspaper, and on twincities.com.
Hopefully Billy King gets them to throw in Kenard Lang and Jeff Hornacek too...
Andrew Lang.
I had a dream lastnight that Iverson was traded to some team that wears dark blue, like the Knicks or Pistons only I can't remember the team and I can't remember who we got in return.
Well, if it's dark blue, that narrows it down to Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Golden State, Indiana, Memphis and New Jersey...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on May 10, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
I had a dream lastnight that Iverson was traded to some team that wears dark blue, like the Knicks or Pistons only I can't remember the team and I can't remember who we got in return.
Trade him to the Pistons for Billups and Wallace?
QuoteHere's yet another reason to panic, Hawks fans -- GM Billy Knight is thinking swingman again in this year's draft.
Here's the good news, Hawks fans -- Knight may be thinking Allen Iverson could help fix their backcourt problems this summer.
Here's what Knight told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution last week:
"Guys are running around saying, 'Point guard, point guard.' But what if I don't agree with that? ... I find [such talk] a little humorous and entertaining ... I always take talent. ... I like good basketball players, and there are a lot of 6-foot-8 players in the draft. And 6-8 is the ideal size."
While it sounds a little ridiculous for the Hawks to consider taking yet another small forward in the draft, he's made it clear that he doesn't care what you or I think.
"I hear people on sports shows," he told the Journal-Constitution, "and I think that person has as much business talking about basketball as I do running the Nuclear Regulatory Commission."
For a guy who's never presided over a playoff team in his five years as a GM, Knight sure acts like he knows what he's doing.
Maybe, just maybe, he might.
The Hawks rebuilding plan may not be quite as bad as it seems.
Several sources claim Knight has been jonesing over Italian forward Andrea Bargnani, a 7-foot combo forward who some scouts say is the closest thing they've seen to Dirk Nowitzki.
Remember, it was Knight who, while working for the Grizzlies, orchestrated the trade in 2001 that sent Shareef Abdur-Rahim to the Hawks for the No. 3 pick in the draft. Knight selected Pau Gasol with that pick. At the time he was the highest draft pick ever for a European player straight out of Europe.
I think Bargnani is a great prospect -- maybe the best prospect in the draft. The problem is that Bargnani plays the same position that Williams, Al Harrington and Josh Smith do: small forward.
What won't happen, I'm told, is the Hawks reaching for a point guard like UConn's Marcus Williams. Some have speculated that the Hawks will go for Williams because he's the best point guard on the board.
Two things shoot a hole in that theory. First, I'm told that the Hawks don't feel he's a great fit for their system. Second, Williams is a far cry from Chris Paul and Deron Williams, two players the Hawks passed on because they felt they didn't have the talent Marvin Williams did.
The problem for the Hawks is that without a great free agent point guard crop, the team would suffer through another year without a solid floor leader.
However, Knight might have a plan there too. The Hawks roll into the summer with roughly $15 million of cap space and are considering passing the free agent market altogether and make a trade pitch to the 76ers for Allen Iverson.
Knight knows he needs to start adding some star power to the team and Iverson would be a good complement to Joe Johnson in the backcourt.
The Hawks might have the goods to pull it off. Knight could offer Al Harrington (in a sign-and-trade) and one of their young players (Josh Childress or the draft rights to this year's lottery pick) for Iverson.
That would free up some of the logjam at the three and four and fill in a serious hole in the Hawks backcourt.
If the Sixers are intent on moving Iverson this summer, they'd have to seriously consider an offer like that. There aren't many teams willing to give up much to bring Iverson into the fold -- but Atlanta might actually be a decent fit.
While Iverson wouldn't be the long-term solution for the Hawks, he could add an air of respectability to the team for the next three years while their young players like Josh Smith and Williams develop. Say what you will about Iverson and his practice habits, but he plays hard, fights through injuries and tries to win every game he plays in. For a young team like the Hawks, that would mean something.
Another factor that might work in the Hawks' favor is the fact that their head coach, Mike Woodson, was an assistant coach for the Sixers from 2001 to 2003. The same source said Woodson has a good relationship with Iverson and would be willing to take him on. Given how few coaches in the league could actually handle AI, that's a plus.
Perhaps most important to Hawks owners, he'll sell a few tickets. Last season the Hawks ranked 29th in the league in attendance. The Sixers, on the other hand, had the fifth largest road draw in the league.
While Iverson has lost a little of his luster over the past few years, he still puts people in the seats.
Whether any of this plays out the way the Hawks intend is anyone's guess at this point. There's no guarantee that Bargnani is around when they pick at No. 4. No guarantee that the Sixers, as they have done the past few seasons, won't decide to hang onto Iverson and give him and Chris Webber one more shot at a title.
But at a time in Hawks history when morale is very low, it's nice to see glimmers of intelligent life emanating from one of the NBA's black holes.
The Hawks might have the goods to pull it off. Knight could offer Al Harrington (in a sign-and-trade) and one of their young players (Josh Childress or the draft rights to this year's lottery pick) for Iverson.
i dont know if id pursue that but id accept it if it happened...i dont think you can do much better...i like harrington
I wouldn't take Harrington.
I'd take no less than Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and a first rounder. That's an awful lot, but those players aren't exactly special.
not a horrible deal, although i'd like to get joe johnson back in an a1 to atl trade. the fact that the hawks have cap space so the sixers might not have to take back equal salary makes it tolerable.
harrington is a tweener but he can play.
Yeah, but it all depends on how you want to build your team. I'd rather have some type of a defender to play where Harrington is going to play. Then again, the Hawks stink every year. Maybe you want to look elsewhere.
The ideal for AI that I'd look for is still Chicago. I'd try to pry away Gordon and Deng. You figure they won't trade Gordon because of his second half and playoffs, but his name is being discussed in rumors pretty often.
harrington isnt a tweener...hes a big boy...he just plays a lot smaller than he is...he doesnt like the paint
joe johnson is the most overpaid player in the nba...hes a 6th man who caked off because of a fluke year on a scoring machine phoenix team and then scored last year on horrid atlanta team where he could gun at will
I'd take no less than Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and a first rounder
ok
Just when you think you'll never find someone as arrogant as Ed Wade, you read this...
Quote"I hear people on sports shows," he told the Journal-Constitution, "and I think that person has as much business talking about basketball as I do running the Nuclear Regulatory Commission."
Wow... that's awesome. :deion
I wouldn't mind seeing them get Harrington a lottery pick and possibly something else. IMO they almost have to get rid of Iverson this offseason because if they don't they may never get a chance to again. I love AI and would hate to see him go, but it is time to move on he has run his course in Philly. It is a shame they never could put a better surrounding cast around him they would have had an opportunity to win a championship.
harrington isnt a tweener...hes a big boy...he just plays a lot smaller than he is...he doesnt like the paint
joe johnson is the most overpaid player in the nba...hes a 6th man who caked off because of a fluke year on a scoring machine phoenix team and then scored last year on horrid atlanta team where he could gun at will
IGY, you couldnt be more wrong with these statements. Regardless of what Johnson got paid, he more than fulfilled his paycheck this year. He not only showed he could still shoot the rock, but dish them highly on a consistent basis as well. Hes the future of that franchise without question--along with Josh Smith--who became a complete beast the 2nd half-in every stat category
As far as your Harrington statement and his presence in the paint--its apparent you didnt watch one game of the Hawks and are completely guesstimating. The Hawks were in almost every single game and won games against good teams because of Smiths defense/scoring, Harringtons scoring/boards and Johnsons all-around game. He will be one of the top free agents on the market and well worth it.
I'm underwhelmed.
But I also believe that it might be time to deal him. :-\
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 17, 2006, 04:27:51 PM
harrington isnt a tweener...hes a big boy...he just plays a lot smaller than he is...he doesnt like the paint
that's what a tweener is.
harrington has the size of a pf but plays more like a sf...(think antwan jamison but without the shooting range). he's a good player but he's not a true pf or a true sf. for a big boy, he only grabs 7 boards per game.
that being said, i'd take him if the #4 pick is included.
btw, joe johnson is much better than al. he's 6'7, can play 3 positions, & put up 20ppg and 8 apg since the all star break.
a tweener is a player who doesnt have the size/skill set of any one position...someone that is to small for pf and to slow for sf for example...harrington has the size and skills to be a great power forward but would rather sit outside and shoot threes...hes similar to iverson...iverson isnt a tweener hed be the perfect one but doesnt want to play it
as for jj anyone who is the best player on a bad team and is a gunner can score twenty pts
like he was on pheonix johnson is best suited to be an instant offense type guy off the bench...or a third option in a starting lineup...he is grossly overpaid...and is the last thing the sixers need...a huge contract on a guy that isnt all that good and who is awful defensively
just semantics, i guess. to me, harrington has a pf's body but the game of a sf so that makes him a tweener. whatever...he's still a very good player.
i still disagree with you about johnson. he put up very good numbers on a good phoenix team & on an awful atlanta team...shows he can put up good numbers no matter what team he's on.
sure, he's overpaid...harrington will be too, once he gets his new deal. you're going to take back salary when you give up salary (a1). it doesn't really matter since atl isn't giving up jj.
i'd take harrington & #4.
i said id take harrington...i just dont want any part of johnson...atlanta had a ton of money whiffed on few big time free agents and then reached for johnson to show thier fans they were willing to make moves..any moves...hes a nice player but not what the sixers need at that kind of money...the only thing they need less than another bad contract is another bad defender
man....your baffling me by the second IGY--I thought you knew a little more about b-ball. Johnson played PG duties in his 1st year not even knowing if he could flourish and produced big time, he didnt bust. So that means he was well worth his paycheck (but almost every player is grossly overpaid, so you point is null and void). To tell me that you wouldnt want a guy with a 20ppg avg, almost 7 assists per game and 4+ boards is literally asisinine--especially since the Sixers are a bad team and you point prior was Johnson was only good because he produced on a bad team--so he would be good for the Sixers right?. The guy penetrates and dishes, is a great shooter and is ummmm 6'7.
And again, your point of him not playing defense is wrong because u didnt watch one Hawks game.
Ohh, and we dont have a shot at him, so why we are talking about Joe Johnson is crazy to begin with
is a great shooter
lol...hes a terrible shooter..he shoots worse than iverson and is eight inches taller...and i have watched hawks games but moreso lots of pheonix games on the nba package...johnson is a nice little player and at a better price i guess id take him on my team...but not for iverson and not at that money
do you have any idea how many worthless 20 pt per game guys there have been in this league...scoring 20 pts for an atrocious hawks team is meaningless so why even bring it up
put the ball in john salmons hands everytime down and let him shoot at will and hell bag 20 a game in thsi league too
IGY my man, if you did know anything about Joe Johnson you wouldnt be harping on an ESPN stat you just looked at and created this illusion in your head that Joe Johnson is not worth picking up for the Sixers. The guy is not one-dimensional like every friggin player on the Sixers, but a PG that can effectively play 3 positions, you scoop up in a solid heartbeat. Im sorry
Quotelol...hes a terrible shooter..he shoots worse than iverson
jj also shoots a better % than iverson...much better from 3 range.
hes not a pt guard and never will be...he is however versatile which is why i said hes a real nice player to have as a 6th man who can come in for a couple different positions and play well for you
btw telling people they just looked up stats on the internet is played out (especially when i referenced no stats)...its just a way of trying to defend an indefensible position and frankly is 3rd gradish...you can do better than that
im not trying to battle you IGY, but when you hear non-sense about a particular player, hes not this and that, you have to defend your point and think to yourself, "did this guy ever even watch one Hawks game (not Pheonix--2 way different scenerios), because if he did....theres no way he could be saying this right now."
jj also shoots a better % than iverson...much better from 3 range.
well i didnt look up there stats but if hes better than iverson he cant be much better...and with his height advantage (plus the fact that iverson isnt a shooter) he should be much higher...either way hes not a GREAT shooter as reese ridiculously said
i am happy to admit i watched zero hawks games this year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 11:10:24 AM
jj also shoots a better % than iverson...much better from 3 range.
well i didnt look up there stats but if hes better than iverson he cant be much better...and with his height advantage (plus the fact that iverson isnt a shooter) he should be much higher...either way hes not a GREAT shooter as reese ridiculously said
here, i looked it up for you:
johnson-
this year: 45% shooter, 36% from 3 pt range
last year: 46% shooter, 48% from 3 pt range
career: 44% shooter, 38% from 3 pt range
iverson-
this year: 45% shooter, 32% from 3 pt range
last year: 42% shooter, 31% from 3 pt range
career: 42% shooter, 31% from 3 pt range
and stop it with the height advantage bs...a1 doesn't get extra credit for being short. johnson certainly is not a terrible shooter or a worse shooter than iverson no matter how you look at it.
anyway, this is really an arguement of johnson vs harrington...not johnson vs iverson.
actually its about paying a third option type guy 70 million
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 18, 2006, 11:49:08 AM
actually its about paying a third option type guy 70 million
actually 4 years left on his contract & around $57.6 mill...but who's counting?
i read that harrington's deal is expected to start at around $8 mill per year so they're probably looking in the 4 yr/ 36 mill or 5 yr/ 47 mill range.
Quote from: phattymatty on May 18, 2006, 11:11:40 AM
i am happy to admit i watched zero hawks games this year.
The last time I watched a Hawks game is when Dominique Wilkens played there.