QuoteDAVIE, Fla. -- Miami Dolphins defensive end/outside linebacker Jason Taylor was stabbed in his arm in a road-rage incident but is OK.
Taylor
The incident occurred Sunday night near his home here, a source told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, which first reported the story on its Web site Monday morning.
The injury was minor, and Taylor participated in Tampa Bay Buccaneers linebacker Derrick Brooks' charity golf event Monday.
"My wife and I were the victims in an unfortunate incident last night, but we are both fine," Taylor said in a statement issued by the Dolphins. "I truly appreciate everyone's concern and am looking forward to enjoying a great day of golf at Derrick Brooks' charity event here in Tampa."
stabbed in the arm, ha
is his wife zach thomas sister
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2006, 12:15:03 PM
is his wife zach thomas sister
Yep.
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Katina Thomas looks like Roz from "Frasier."
they are saying this may be charged as a hate crime now
wonder if it had anything to do with kate
If I stabbed a Cowboys or taterskins fan, would that be considered a hate crime or a public service?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 02, 2006, 06:02:56 PM
If I stabbed a Cowboys or taterskins fan, would that be considered a hate crime or a public service?
Cowboys fan, hate crime. taterskins fan, public service with commendation from the local authorities. In most cases.
I'm queasy about the hate crime designation. Pretty grey area, there. What's wrong with enforcing the laws already on the books? Gotta make special ones? How is a so-called road rage incident a "hate crime?" The guy called Taylor a racial slur, so it's a hate crime?
Quote from: Diomedes on May 02, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
I'm queasy about the hate crime designation. Pretty grey area, there. What's wrong with enforcing the laws already on the books? Gotta make special ones? How is a so-called road rage incident a "hate crime?" The guy called Taylor a racial slur, so it's a hate crime?
I've been confused about this one:
Can a militant black man be charged with a hate crime against a white victim?
Murder is murder, whether against a black man, a white man, a Hispanic, a... you get the point. Placing a premium on race and the perceived motivation of the crime seems to me to put more emphasis on racial differences.
I can't see this guy making racial comments, he doesn't seem the type.
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Nice lazy eye, Whitey!
Quote from: Beermonkey on May 02, 2006, 08:15:10 PM
I can't see this guy making racial comments, he doesn't seem the type.
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Did he play in a Bond movie?
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The guy called Taylor a racial slur, so it's a hate crime?
if he ran him off the road cause he was riding with a white woman it is
and yes being racist should be illegal
Can a militant black man be charged with a hate crime against a white victim?
sure...it wouldnt even have to be a militant one...but before you look to flip it around you might first wanna focus on all the black people who everyday get mis charged over charged and over sentenced in what could be called hate crimes by the american justice system
i wanna murder some like colin ferguson
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2006, 09:32:09 AM
sure...it wouldnt even have to be a militant one...but before you look to flip it around you might first wanna focus on all the black people who everyday get mis charged over charged and over sentenced in what could be called hate crimes by the american justice system
i wanna murder some like colin ferguson
Not looking to "flip," IGY. Just wondering aloud about our imperfect justice system. Like I said, murder is murder, whatever the racial profile of the criminal, whatever the racial profile of the victim. Attaching a different criminal designation because of "intent" just baffles me.
Now, evens like the Mississippi Burning trial in 1964 is the epitome of a racist judicial system in effect in the U.S. (especially the South, but unfortunately everywhere) at that time. We're miles from that, thankfully, but also have quite a distance to go.
but i think the hate aspect of a murder is equivalent to another crime committed during a murder...how is it any different than a murder charge carrying robbery or kidnapping along with it...
in fact imo the hate aspect of a murder is worse in that the perosn murdered is not going to ever get their money back if they were robbed....the thing is at least with something like robbery theres a reason for the crime...
when someone is attacked beacuse of their religion race sex weight age ect...it takes the randomness out of the crime and effects people not associated with the act itself...
when a black man gets dragged down the street because he got caught up in a bad drug deal then people who dont sell drugs need not fear for themselves...dont sell drugs and that wont happen to me...
but when a black man is dragged down the street cause hes black how do you tell someone to stop being black...all of sudden that fear is ever present...same with when a gay man is beaten and tied to a fence for being gay...or an obese kid is teased and beaten up in school cause hes fat...hate absolutely should be charged as a crime...its one of the worst things you can do imo
then im guilty, cause I hate the Cowboys.
theres exceptions to every rule
anyway i think even cowboy fans know they deserve whatever happens to them
I'm also unsure about the hate crime thing. I mean, it's not such a giant leap from hate crime to mind crime in my way of thinking.
So....a hypothetical.
A 18 year old boy, son of a Grand Wizard, goes out and kills a black man. Clearly a hate crime. Guarantee the defense will be he never had a chance to think otherwise, he was destined to be a racist because of his father. Does this absolve him? Murder is murder, assiging levels of intent clouds the issue. Defining hate allows for a very murky argument in a black and white legal system. Best to KISS.
i dont necessarily know if that is a hate crime...did the kid do it because the guy was black or because his dad told him to...if he did it because of the color of someones skin then hate gets attached to it...because a crime like that effects many more people than just the victim...and thus deserves special circumstances...how is it any less simple to attach robbery to a murder charge in order to extend a sentence or apply special circumstances to get the death penalty...
if you burned a cross in your front yard to intimidate a black neighbor you would/should be charged with a crime even though it was strictly a hate crime...why would you not be charged with intimidating a whole community of people by murdering someone just for being a part of said community...and a hate crime charge is for the intimidation and fear that the crime puts on the community from which the victim was a part of
its pretty clear cut and as simple as you can get to me...of course you have to prove the charge like any other crime...you are not arbitrarily throwin it in simply because there is black on white crime
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2006, 12:43:14 PM
its pretty clear cut and as simple as you can get to me...of course you have to prove the charge like any other crime...you are not arbitrarily throwin it in simply because there is black on white crime
I guess that's my point- how do you conclusively prove "intent?"
And I still question the jacking up of murder charges because of a racial/religious/gender issue. Everyone's got a "reason" for killing someone. Prosecute the murder, take away all the sentence-shortening malarky, make the convicted serve the full sentence.
To prosecute "internt" leads down a dangerous path. Other "thought crimes" could be easily added.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 03, 2006, 12:43:14 PM...because a crime like that effects many more people than just the victim...
I dig what you're saying, to a point. I also think that all violent crimes affect a lot of people. For me, it begs the question: how specific can you make a good law?
Quote from: Geowhizzer on May 03, 2006, 07:24:11 PM
To prosecute "intent" leads down a dangerous path. Other "thought crimes" could be easily added.
I once got a traffic ticket for "attempted speeding". Officer said he could tell by my actions my intent was to speed down the road.
It was dismissed, cop was a jackass.
But I find it difficult to charge someone with "intent" to do anything. It really becomes a "Minority Report" type thing.
Do "hate crimes" carry a more severe punishment than non hate crimes? If a white guy stabs a black guy and it's considered a hate crime would he get a heavier sentence than if it involved 2 people of the same race?
Reason I bring this up is simply for the fact that I don't see the point in labelling it a hate crime unless it carries a bigger penalty.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 03, 2006, 09:20:58 PM
Do "hate crimes" carry a more severe punishment than non hate crimes? If a white guy stabs a black guy and it's considered a hate crime would he get a heavier sentence than if it involved 2 people of the same race?
Reason I bring this up is simply for the fact that I don't see the point in labelling it a hate crime unless it carries a bigger penalty.
Yes, there are additional penalties.
I guess that's my point- how do you conclusively prove "intent?"
its not intent as much as its a motive...and motive is something that is proved a lot...if the motive ends up being hate then its an extra charge...no different than if someone is murdered and after the fact they found out thru atm receipts that he should have had money on his person but didnt...the person charged with that murder with also get charged with robbery...his intent was to get money off the victim...why can you be charged with that but not killing someone because of their skin color or sexual preference...both are motives or 'intents'
I once got a traffic ticket for "attempted speeding". Officer said he could tell by my actions my intent was to speed down the road.
this is apples and club soda...no one is talking about charging people for what they are thinking of doing...its what they did do...
I also think that all violent crimes affect a lot of people
i agree but none quite like a hate crime that can affect an entire segment of society...certain crimes deserve special circumstances...dealing drugs in a school zone carries a stiffer penalty than in the castle hill houses...raping a child will carry more years than raping a woman....in certain instances there must be extra laws to protect groups of people...children in the above examples....cop killers are treated differently...victims of hate crimes are a group that needs extra protection as well...
Chill, Wig...
I just like talking about the dumbass cop that gave me a ticket for attempted speeding.
im cool as a polar bears toe nails
Here's the problem I see, from an unrelated source.....
A lawyer on NPR said he was "relieved" that Moussaui didn't get the death penalty. As he put it (paraphrasing), "...it would set a very dangerous precedent. After all, Moussaui is essentially being charged with failing to incriminate himself under FBI questioning." The whole objectvie here is to not become draconian while protecting everyone's rights. And that's a tough road to hoe.
i think people make this issue more difficult than it needs to be
its nothing more than charging someone with discrimination which happens all the time....its illegal to fire someone because of their age....and if a senior citizen got killed because the murderer hated old people he should catch an extra charge for that
just like a dual charge of murder and kidnapping youd could be charged with murder and a hate crime (discrimination)
maybe you can say thats an oversimplification but to me its just that simple
it's legal to hate stuff.
it's legal to hate stuff.
its not legal to terrroize and threaten people tho...and thats the intent of hate crimes...to terrorize and put fear in the community of the victim...killing jason taylor because hes married to a white woman is threatening all blacks with the same if they think about pullin a white girl