2nd rd (#39 overall)
Hells yeah!
farging great pick, any word on what we gave up to move up? We're stealing players left and right here.
Whoah
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 29, 2006, 05:46:34 PM
farging great pick, any word on what we gave up to move up? We're stealing players left and right here.
Agreed.
The moment I saw Philadelphia on the clock, I looked down and saw that Detroit was next. I was positive it was Winston Justice.
ESPN please get your shtein together. Nothing worse than watching these geeks do their little walk throughs. Let's go fellas.
Sun is too busy changing into clean underpants to make a post.
well...my January prediction was correct, but not exactly this way
:paranoid
Schein and Cross are talking about this pick being an absolute steal, they had him on the show a few weeks ago and asked him which coaches he clicked with the most most, first name he said was Dennis Green, second name mentioned was Juan Castillo.
and dude, i didn't change my shorts, i like to sit in it awhile, to remind me it's a celebration
I am somewhat pissed that NFL.com doesnt have the trade listings, last year they did it and updated it really quick.
Is Juan working on Monday?
I think I just soiled myself.
:yay
Sweet! Almost evry mock I saw had Justice as our #1. He looks like a gret talent and I love that Reid and the FO are making a maor commitment to both lines!
EG
It's not official until Berman fumbles all over himself and goes through his 10 minute dissertation and finally announces it.
Bunkley & Justice?
Good God.
(http://www.carbabeforum.com/forum/images/smilies/wank.gif)
Eagles only gave up a 4th. Real nice.
Too sweet.
We gave up Dallas' 4th rounder
Bunkner also called him an animal. Says he watched some tape on him and said sometimes it looked like he ripped the arm off the defender and dropped it off on the sideline.
Quote from: Dillen37 on April 29, 2006, 05:52:11 PM
Eagles only gave up a 4th. Real nice.
Even better. (http://www.carbabeforum.com/forum/images/smilies/wank.gif)
whats the line gonna look like now?
Quote from: Dillen37 on April 29, 2006, 05:49:55 PM
I am somewhat pissed that NFL.com doesnt have the trade listings, last year they did it and updated it really quick.
http://nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/trades
For anyone who didnt know.
Quote from: Beermonkey on April 29, 2006, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: Dillen37 on April 29, 2006, 05:52:11 PM
Eagles only gave up a 4th. Real nice.
Even better. (http://www.carbabeforum.com/forum/images/smilies/wank.gif)
ESPN said they gave up the second as well.
That's it? What a steal.
Obviously. You dont trade pick 118 for pick 39 straight up.
Dude just looks beastly.
YES!!!!!!!
45th overall and the Dallas 4th/
STEAL.
Awesome day so far.
i think that was assumed...
and nobody should even begin to think about sponsoring Winston...he's all mine
Quote from: Displaced on April 29, 2006, 05:54:04 PMESPN said they gave up the second as well.
Well, of course.
Kiper and crew love the pick
Could you imagine if Stovall fell to our third round pick?
woah
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 29, 2006, 05:55:08 PM
i think that was assumed...
and nobody should even begin to think about sponsoring Winston...he's all mine
I think that's more than fair considering yur sig.
Anyone who got Justice this far back would be raved up.
Does he play LG this year?
We've got farging beastly depth. Herremans and Justice are probably backups to all the line positions besides C.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 29, 2006, 05:57:52 PM
Does he play LG this year?
Gotta be. You ain't putting him outside as a rookie. Not on Donnie's blindside. He won't displace Runyon no where else for him to go.
He's probably Tra's replacement...
Beastly depth is right.
Ed, is Tra's contract set up so they could get out of this year? I think they will try.
Tra still has 3 more years between $3.7M and $5.5M in base salary (approx. $1.3M per year in signing bonus)
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site513/2005/1231/20051231_105534_USC-300.gif)
(http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper679/stills/foqu096o.jpg)
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 29, 2006, 06:00:05 PM
He's probably Tra's replacement...
Future though right Ed?
It depends on Tra's back. Could be sooner than later...
As for this year? LG....maybe.
What makes this pick even better, is that he came out early and needs to be groomed, well now he has 2 ex Pro-Bowlers showing him the ropes. Still can't believe how today has transpired.
AR said he would have taken Justice at 14 if Bunkley wasn't there.
Reid says he wants him to learn both tackles and he's got vets in front of him but he could step in and play if need be.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 29, 2006, 06:07:19 PM
AR said he would have taken Justice at 14 if Bunkley wasn't there.
And most of us would have approved.
Article on his return to USC last fall (http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2005/09/16/Sports/Unfinished.Business-988346.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytrojan.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com)
Click on the little camera next to Justice's name for a highlight reel. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/draft?round=2&dl=nfl) Another beast.
USC bio (http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/justice_winston00.html)
Goddamn, I love this draft so far. Even though we didn't get Walker, this day has been awesome.
But I better enjoy it now. Because you know damn well the haters on the radio and newspapers will be out in full force ripping them because they didn't get Walker.
Dude doesn't sound too happy. Opposing D-linemen better watch out.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 29, 2006, 06:12:32 PM
Goddamn, I love this draft so far. Even though we didn't get Walker, this day has been awesome.
But I better enjoy it now. Because you know damn well the haters on the radio and newspapers will be out in full force ripping them because they didn't get Walker.
Well if we got Walker we would not have gotten Justice and I truly would rather have him at this point than Walker. If they have a beastly Oline the WRs will eventually get open.
I'm glad he's pissed off. Motivation is good.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 29, 2006, 06:16:10 PMIf they have a beastly Oline the WRs will eventually get open.
And a beastly DLine does the same for the LBs.
Quote from: Diomedes on April 29, 2006, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 29, 2006, 06:16:10 PMIf they have a beastly Oline the WRs will eventually get open.
And a beastly DLine does the same for the LBs.
Werd :sly
Quote7. Phi - Winston Justice, OT: Finally, Justice comes off the board. Clearly, he's got first round talent. The only thing that would have made him fall like this – particularly after his ridiculous pro day – are character concerns. This is a guy who put up the best workout numbers of any tackle in the draft, and was fantastic protecting Matt Leinart's blind side at USC. Philadelphia was thought to be targeting him in the first round. To get him at this pick is a tremendous steal
Wonderful pick... absolutely wonderful pick.
Understand that the Eagles got 2 first round talents for the lines in Bunkley and Justice in the 1st 39 picks... and they only had to give up Dallas' 4th round pick to do it.
Honestly... what more could you ask for?
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 29, 2006, 06:41:14 PM
Wonderful pick... absolutely wonderful pick.
Understand that the Eagles got 2 first round talents for the lines in Bunkley and Justice in the 1st 39 picks... and they only had to give up Dallas' 4th round pick to do it.
Honestly... what more could you ask for?
I was going to say something along these lines, but I was going to say the 1st and 2nd rounder too, which wouldnt sound nearly as good.
Fargin great pick. I have to say im really happy with this draft and as phreak said, not getting walker is alright when you get 2 first round talent players
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 29, 2006, 06:48:48 PM
Fargin great pick. I have to say im really happy with this draft and as phreak said, not getting walker is alright when you get 2 first round talent players
Not only that they are pretty much top 10 quality guys.
Im pretty sure its been mentioned on this board prior to the draft but if Justice had stayed for his Senior season at USC he would have graded even or better than Ferguson. Not bad, Not Bad at all :yay
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 29, 2006, 06:04:59 PM
Tra still has 3 more years between $3.7M and $5.5M in base salary (approx. $1.3M per year in signing bonus)
(http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site513/2005/1231/20051231_105534_USC-300.gif)
(http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper679/stills/foqu096o.jpg)
OMG, opposing defenses will be scared shteinless looking at this guy...and that's before he hits them! Amazingly great "Justifyable" pick!
This pick still makes me feel all warm and tingly inside.
I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Two first names.
Is he related to Buford T. Justice?
(http://www.bandittransamclub.com/Sherrif.jpg)
Fanfargingtastic! In my mock contest draft, I had the Eagles trading up to get Justice!
Great day by far... never could have dreamed the draft working out this well!
Well, I did have the Eagles trading the exact two picks they traded to move up to this exact spot in my Eagles mock... but it was for Sinorice Moss. Now, if you told me Winston Justice would still be on the board, I would have laughed at you. I think there is an excellent chance that Justice starts at LG immediately, and I frigging LOVE the value of picking a kid like this at #39. VERY NICE.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HBFFMHDBKMOD/justice_hp2_043006.jpg)
Tra, Justice, Jackson, Andrews, Runyan on the o-line. Howard, Bunkley, Patterson, Freak on the D-line with fast ball Cole.
I really love the lines now...
Quote from: mikey418 on April 30, 2006, 04:37:52 PM
Tra, Justice, Jackson, Andrews, Runyan on the o-line. Howard, Bunkley, Patterson, Freak on the D-line with fast ball Cole.
I really love the lines now...
You can pencil in Giles at the starting LG spot, Justice could be the starting LT if Tra can't stay healthy.
I cant deny my happiness in getting this guy, but can someone tell me why this guy fell down that far? Was there something that was floating out there that all those other teams passed on him? Repeated by so many experts that he has the skills and chance to be a perrenial Probowl player, and nobody jumps to solidify their OL for years.
Im not trying to make this into a conspiritorial issue, but Im still baffled by this. Anyone else?
Pointed a toy gun at a student and got suspended for the entire 2004 season. Andy said he's talked to Winston and USC people and others and said he shouldn't be a problem in the NFL....
And he also pulled a Eugene Robinson and picked himself up a hooker and got busted for that too.
i think it would be really funny if Justice pulls a fake gun on McDougle on the first day of training camp.
andy could have easily used that incident as an excuse to not go get this guy,...he deserves credit for not taking the easy way out
i heard justice likes to pick up hookers & take them home to play doom.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2006, 11:30:59 AM
andy could have easily used that incident as an excuse to not go get this guy,...he deserves credit for not taking the easy way out
It's obvious they think his talent is too much to bother worrying about a few minor character flags.
So obvious, I wonder why anyone would bother to point that out?
I like to "hear" myself "talk". Also obvious.
PE.com on Justice "If he's as god as the Eagles think he is, Justice will find a way to get on the field in the near future. It's up to him to chart that course. " Spads Freudian slip.
Quote from: JailBird-man on May 01, 2006, 12:30:10 PM
PE.com on Justice "If he's as god as the Eagles think he is, Justice will find a way to get on the field in the near future. It's up to him to chart that course. " Spads Freudian slip.
With Tra's recent injury history, I think it's entirely possible that Justice starts at LT at one point this year.
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/mshane73/justice_combine_06.jpg)
This shirtless photo gimmick was a farging bad idea.
Im pretty sure it is the pics from the combine that every player is required to have done.
I never thought I'd ever say this, but that brotha has got one hell of a farmers tan going on.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on May 01, 2006, 11:27:32 PM
I never thought I'd ever say this, but that brotha has got one hell of a farmers tan going on.
:-D
It looks like his head is photoshopped in.
Quote from: Diomedes on May 01, 2006, 10:30:53 PM
This shirtless photo gimmick was a farging bad idea.
I go back to Bunkley's after seeing shots like the above.
Quote from: MURP on May 01, 2006, 11:21:47 PM
Im pretty sure it is the pics from the combine that every player is required to have done.
Yeah, of course. My point is, maybe they shouldn't be made public. I feel bad for Justice, Jean-Gilles, etc. They look horrible.
Wow. Here's to hoping the Eagles training staff gets paid overtime.
Justice doesn't look nearly as rough as Jean-Gilles.
I don't know about that. Jean-Gilles looks like a big guard should look. You can tell there's some serious muscle under his bulk. Justice looks more slender, obviously, but softer.
dont know if this was posted or not....the boy has some speed and footwork...good to hear
Justice a fighter on and off the field
By BERNARD FERNANDEZ
fernanb@phillynews.com
Twenty-plus years ago, standout running back Herschel Walker took ballet lessons in an attempt to improve his footwork.
Walker's experiment in alternative training methods apparently did not catch on with the helmet-and-shoulder-pads set. You don't hear much any more of football players in tights dancing on their tippy-toes and executing arabesques.
But there is a growing movement among NFL players, and NFL wannabes, to adopt boxing training techniques as part of their offseason regimens. Eagles tight end L.J. Smith has considered training as a boxer, and Southern California offensive tackle Winston Justice, drafted in the second round by the team on Saturday, speaks approvingly of the months he spent in 2004 and '05 at the Wildcat Boxing Club in Hollywood, where he worked primarily with former heavyweight Macka Foley and sometimes with Freddie Roach, who used to train Mike Tyson.
"It's the closest thing to football, getting fit and hitting people," the 6-6, 320-pound Justice, whose parents are from Barbados, said of boxing. "I boxed just a little bit when I was younger, so I got back into it when I was out of football [suspended for the 2004 season because of an off-the-field incident]. It was something that I was pretty good at doing and something that I liked."
Foley, who posted a 32-20-1 record with 20 knockout victories from 1969 to '79, said offensive linemen - or tight ends, who also must be adept at blocking - are the football players who would most benefit from some time in the ring.
"There's so much mental conditioning in boxing," Foley said. "You're constantly setting and resetting, trying to get into a position to punch effectively. You have to understand use of angles, of leverage.
"Isn't that what an offensive lineman does? But a play in football lasts what, 5 or 6 seconds? A fighter has to do it for 3 minutes at a time."
Justice was not allowed on the field for USC's run to a second consecutive national championship in 2004 for brandishing a replica firearm at someone. But he is an athlete, and even idle athletes have to do something to stay in peak condition and to prepare themselves for competition when it finally does come.
As it turns out, one of the USC equipment managers has a son who is an amateur boxer. And when the equipment guy found out that Justice also had some background in the sport, he brought the massive tackle to the Wildcat Boxing Club, where such world-class fighters as James Toney, Manny Pacquiao and Israel Vasquez hone their craft.
Foley said it was immediately apparent that Justice knew a thing or two.
"Winston started picking stuff up so quick, which surprised me," Foley said. "Yeah, he boxed some as a kid, but he hadn't done it for a while. It's not like riding a bicycle. You can forget if you don't stick with it.
"Mostly he hit the heavybag and the speedbag, but he also did a little sparring with a journeyman heavyweight. They weren't going all out, but Winston did all right. He moves like a fighter, you know? He didn't just use his size and strength to bull-rush the guy."
Justice - who trained extensively at the Wildcat Boxing Club in 2004, and also from April to September of last year - said he came away from the gym with skills that are easily applied to the football field.
"I learned initial quickness, how to use my hands, stuff like that," Justice said. "It's a different type of conditioning."
So, if Justice's career with the Eagles doesn't pan out, could he make it as a fighter? The heavyweight division is packed with guys who would have been considered giants not so long ago, the largest of whom is WBA champion Nicolay Valuev of Russia, who goes 7-2 and 325 pounds.
"I could imagine Winston as a fighter, given the state of the game now," Foley said. "But, to me, he's too big and bulky to ever be a dominant heavyweight. To me, the best heavyweights are 6-1, 6-2, maybe 215 pounds. They're strong and mobile. I look at somebody like Evander Holyfield, with that sculpted physique, and think, 'That's what a heavyweight should look like.'
"But it was a pleasure working with Winston, and I'd gladly work with more football players if they were as dedicated as him. There isn't that much difference between boxing and football when you get right down to it. You have to maintain balance, bend your knees, find the right angle, know when to back off, when to come in, when to step side to side.
"I tell you what, if he moves his feet (with the Eagles] like he did in our gym, there won't be too many pass-rushers blowing past him."
I've watched interviews with Justice, and to me, it seems like Justice may not be the sharpest pencil in the box. I thought O-lineman were supposed to be the smartest guys on the field. If anything, he definitely strikes me as pretty immature, hopefully Runyan, Thomas, and the rest of the vets will toughen him up by beating him in his sleep with soap-stuffed socks during camp.
thats one of the reasons I questioned his dropping in the draft and prob the reason why so many teams passed on him. Some people clam up on interviews and stutter a little bit because they are nervous, but he sounds so ridiculously dumb, it makes me nervous he can learn the blocking schemes.
Winston, what can you bring to the Eagles O-line?
Umm, Ummm, excitement and happiness.
how hard is it to grasp the offensive tackle position...come on now
Really, the center makes all the line calls. The guards pull. His job is to hit the guy in front of him - hard. So the guy could lose an IQ test to a rock. Big deal.
I should have been more clear, it's not so much I am worried the kid is dumb, it's the maturity thing with me. I think the coaches are hoping he grows up here, and combined with his raw talent, becomes a great tackle. There is a bit of risk in that though, but I think it is worth the shot.
I know the guy has had a studdering problem, he has been working on it and I can't imagine how nervous he was in those PCs, he did well though, good for him.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on May 08, 2006, 11:00:58 AM
Really, the center makes all the line calls. The guards pull. His job is to hit the guy in front of him - hard. So the guy could lose an IQ test to a rock. Big deal.
Theres a little more to it than that, and there are schemes in football--much more on the NFl level
The lineman have zone blocking schemes and option blocking schemes--creating holes for the running back on either the left or right side of the defender-depending on positioning, working with other lineman in tandems, double teaming, popping off a double team and getting the LB--stationary or blitzing, etc...
So yes there are schemes and it does take some brain power
another 4 yr deal with Mr. Justice
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=51191
:yay :yay
Quote from: mussa on July 17, 2006, 06:58:05 PM
another 4 yr deal with Mr. Justice
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=51191
:yay :yay
I was just about to post this, good now just one more to go.
This team is WAY ahead of the rest of the league in signing their picks. Hopefully it's a good omen.
Their first preseason game is a week ahead of nearly everyone else.
It's kinda to be expected, don't you think, Sus?
Not really. The trend seems to be toward protracted negotiations and holdouts. Even with the advanced schedule, I think the Eagles are in comparatively good shape.
Agreed. I'm glad they moved quickly and got almost everyone in.
The last thing that team needs is distractions and protracted holdouts from their top picks would be just that.
I'm trying to see what the Raiders have done as far as signings go. Their website sucks. In several languages.
According to this they haven't signed anyone yet. (http://www.raiders.com/team/transactions.jsp)
:-D
And you're right, that website sucks hard.
Dallas hasn't signed anyone either, have they?
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 01, 2006, 11:30:59 AM
andy could have easily used that incident as an excuse to not go get this guy,...he deserves credit for not taking the easy way out
Wait... so
not taking a gifted player with character issues is the easy way out?
Quote from: methdeez on July 18, 2006, 02:16:06 AM
Wait... so not taking a gifted player with character issues is the easy way out?
I don't even see how it would make sense the other way around.
Wait... so not taking a gifted player with character issues is the easy way out?
easy in that you have a built in excuse so if the guy ends up being a player ala warren sapp the teams who didnt take him get a free pass
As far as I know Dallas has not signed anyone, yet. But they are "not concerned". I guess they are under the dillusion that all they need is TO.
with our new contract, team Justice says, "Bb guns for everyone!"
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 18, 2006, 09:26:12 AM
with our new contract, team Justice says, "Bb guns for everyone!"
If you really loved us, you'd get us all hookers instead.
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 18, 2006, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 18, 2006, 09:26:12 AM
with our new contract, team Justice says, "Bb guns for everyone!"
If you really loved us, you'd get us all hookers instead.
and speedballs.
Quote from: Tomahawk on July 18, 2006, 06:12:35 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on July 18, 2006, 10:40:47 AM
Quote from: SunMoTzu on July 18, 2006, 09:26:12 AM
with our new contract, team Justice says, "Bb guns for everyone!"
If you really loved us, you'd get us all hookers instead.
and speedballs.
and man tits.
that's a lot of stuff to get, but IN.
From PFT:
(http://www.profootballtalk.com/JabbaJustice.jpg)
I laughed.
Was it only the Eagles that took those half-nudie pictures?
No, they're all pictures from the combine.