Q: How do you evaluate (Penn State's) Michael Robinson?
A: We like him as a quarterback. He's raw, but he's talented. He's not going to come in and play right away. We like him as a running back, too. He can be a big running back. And he can be a returner. The guy's going to help somebody."
Q: What area performed the worst last year?
A: We had a bad year all around, no doubt about it. It was a collective thing. The personnel department might have been the worst."
CSN video clip: The Heckert Theory of Drafting (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/042406-heckert.wmv)
Id take Robinson in 3rd. He'll prob be gone by then though.
Are you serious?
Id take Robinson.... as my 3rd string QB in NFL Europe.
We like him as a quarterback. He's raw, but he's talented. He's not going to come in and play right away. We like him as a running back, too. He can be a big running back. And he can be a returner. The guy's going to help somebody."
could that statement be more vague
ok i havn't been keeping track of him. where is his projected spot? i'd take him as the all purpose guy he can be. i'd much rather have him line up in the slot than mcmullen or g. lewis. the guy is a beast.
Quote from: mussa on April 25, 2006, 01:33:36 PM
ok i havn't been keeping track of him. where is his projected spot? i'd take him as the all purpose guy he can be. i'd much rather have him line up in the slot than mcmullen or g. lewis. the guy is a beast.
Late second day pick. Unless someone like Denver gets stupid again. His problem has been since the Senior Bowl, he hasn't given anyone a good look at anything else he can do, he still maintains he can be an NFL QB, and doesn't seem eager to demonstrate otherwise, so he has kind of plummeted since.
sounds more like UDFA
Heckert interview from PE.Com. (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/rmPlayer/flvPlayer.jsp?clipOrder=0&host=rtmp%3A%2F%2Fcp20638.edgefcs.net%2Fondemand&clip=20638%2Feagles%2Fheckert060425&start=true)
:cfhead
Robinson will be picked earliest third round more than likely though he will go in round 4.
I'd draft Robinson no earlier than the 5th.
If I am a team like Philly with three 4th rounders I would definately take a flyer on a guy like Robinson. The dude is just a straight up football player he plays with toughness and can play multiple positions. He could definately be an asset on special teams, he has returned punts and I believe he has the skills to be a cover guy, because he was a top safety prospect as well in HS.
You are honestly going to tell me that Michael Robinson is going to come onto the Eagles and improve them in the return game, at WR, at Safety or anywhere else?
Quote from: MURP on April 26, 2006, 12:07:04 AM
You are honestly going to tell me that Michael Robinson is going to come onto the Eagles and improve them in the return game, at WR, at Safety or anywhere else?
Not instantly but after watching him play all 4 years at PSU I think if the guy is given just one position to play along with special teams duty I think he could develop into a very solid NFL contributor. It doesn't have to be just him it could be Brad Smith or Reggies McNeal any of those guys they are elite athletes and I think if given the proper coaching they could be very good players.
I don't want Michael Robinson. I don't even think he'd make an effective gadget player. Too slow.
I wonder how he would translate to S.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 25, 2006, 11:09:30 PM
If I am a team like Philly with three 4th rounders I would definately take a flyer on a guy like Robinson.
No way. Those 4th rounders are much better served to take advantage of the good depth at LB, DT, DB or even RB that will be available at that time than to use it on a project player who no one actually knows where he'll end up playing. Hell, if you ask him, he's playing QB. He doesn't even seem interested in playing anywhere else... which is another reason not to take anything other than a late round chance on him.
Robinson's a helluva college football player, but I don't think he has a game that translates well to the NFL. The classic "Jack of all trades, master of none".
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 26, 2006, 01:11:46 AM
I don't want Michael Robinson. I don't even think he'd make an effective gadget player. Too slow.
Have you ever watched him play? He certainly does not play slow, he is very fast on the field.
Quote from: EagleFeva on April 26, 2006, 06:07:15 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 25, 2006, 11:09:30 PM
If I am a team like Philly with three 4th rounders I would definately take a flyer on a guy like Robinson.
No way. Those 4th rounders are much better served to take advantage of the good depth at LB, DT, DB or even RB that will be available at that time than to use it on a project player who no one actually knows where he'll end up playing. Hell, if you ask him, he's playing QB. He doesn't even seem interested in playing anywhere else... which is another reason not to take anything other than a late round chance on him.
Robinson's a helluva college football player, but I don't think he has a game that translates well to the NFL. The classic "Jack of all trades, master of none".
He has never said that he is not interested in playing other positions, I recently heard an interview with him on the NFL network and he said he never said that he was only interested in playing QB. I think he could make a good RB in the NFL, that of course is just my opinion.
The only way I'd want Robinson is if he's a 7th round pick or an undrafted FA. He's too slow to play in the NFL.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2006, 10:08:11 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 26, 2006, 01:11:46 AM
I don't want Michael Robinson. I don't even think he'd make an effective gadget player. Too slow.
Have you ever watched him play? He certainly does not play slow, he is very fast on the field.
he's fast...for a quarterback...in the big ten
I have watched just about every game this guy has played in he is not slow far from it. Is he a burner no, but he has "football speed". As far as the Big Ten being slow that was the case a few years ago not anymore.
football speed?
that's super.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2006, 10:29:21 AM
I have watched just about every game this guy has played in he is not slow far from it. Is he a burner no, but he has "football speed". As far as the Big Ten being slow that was the case a few years ago not anymore.
'Football speed' works just fine in College, not in the NFL. A 4.9 40 time for a RB or WR is way too slow.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2006, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2006, 10:29:21 AM
I have watched just about every game this guy has played in he is not slow far from it. Is he a burner no, but he has "football speed". As far as the Big Ten being slow that was the case a few years ago not anymore.
'Football speed' works just fine in College, not in the NFL. A 4.9 40 time for a RB or WR is way too slow.
He didn't run a 4.9 according to him that was bullshtein and he runs between 4.5-4.6 either way the same exact thing was said about Randle El he ran a 4.6 something and speed has never been an issue with him. I would actually make the argument he is a better prospect than Randle El.
He actually ran sub-4.6. He's faster than Maurice Stovall and Jason Avant.
Plus, Robinson runs with great agility and power.
If he doesn't make it in the NFL, it won't be because of lack of speed. It will be because of lack of ability to produce at any one position (the jack of all trades, master of none theory). Or, his fumbling problem... that could hurt too.
I don't think he should go on day 1. Certainly not. But he could go anywhere on day 2, probably the 5th or 6th.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2006, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2006, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 26, 2006, 10:29:21 AM
I have watched just about every game this guy has played in he is not slow far from it. Is he a burner no, but he has "football speed". As far as the Big Ten being slow that was the case a few years ago not anymore.
'Football speed' works just fine in College, not in the NFL. A 4.9 40 time for a RB or WR is way too slow.
He didn't run a 4.9 according to him that was bullshtein and he runs between 4.5-4.6 either way the same exact thing was said about Randle El he ran a 4.6 something and speed has never been an issue with him. I would actually make the argument he is a better prospect than Randle El.
Speed or not he's not as talented as Randle El as a QB or a WR.
...and Randle-El was picked where in the draft?
amazing how a trick play in the superbowl can elevate your status as a football player
Let me answer that for you, SD: 62nd overall. No one here is contending that Robinson is the kind of prospect coming out of school that Antwaan Randle-El was. I'm saying he could go as early as 100 or so... that's a far cry from 62.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 26, 2006, 10:52:21 AM
...and Randle-El was picked where in the draft?
2nd round I believe.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 26, 2006, 10:55:17 AM
Let me answer that for you, SD: 62nd overall. No one here is contending that Robinson is the kind of prospect coming out of school that Antwaan Randle-El was. I'm saying he could go as early as 100 or so... that's a far cry from 62.
1st day pick: Yay or nay?
I say nay.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 26, 2006, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 26, 2006, 10:55:17 AM
Let me answer that for you, SD: 62nd overall. No one here is contending that Robinson is the kind of prospect coming out of school that Antwaan Randle-El was. I'm saying he could go as early as 100 or so... that's a far cry from 62.
1st day pick: Yay or nay?
I say nay.
Ahem:
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 26, 2006, 10:40:37 AM
I don't think he should go on day 1. Certainly not. But he could go anywhere on day 2, probably the 5th or 6th.
So, nay.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 26, 2006, 10:55:17 AM
Let me answer that for you, SD: 62nd overall. No one here is contending that Robinson is the kind of prospect coming out of school that Antwaan Randle-El was. I'm saying he could go as early as 100 or so... that's a far cry from 62.
I am I think he is every bit the prospect Randle El was if not more because with his size he offers even more to the total package. I agree with you if he fails it will be because he lacks a true position and has problems holding onto the ball.
I love Michael Robinson as a football player. He has very good track speed for his size at 4.6 and he has even better football speed. He is a flat out playmaker! He will not make it past the 4th round! I would be suprised if he lated that long.
No as far as position with him who knows. I would put my money on WR/KR. I think College QB's can change to WR pretty easy. Hines Ward, Anquon Boldin (played QB first 2yrs of college), Antwon Randle El, Drew Bennett to name a few.
Quote from: reese125 on April 26, 2006, 10:52:53 AM
amazing how a trick play in the superbowl can elevate your status as a football player
Yeah, the fact that you catch 30 balls a year and are basically a punt returner is forgotten!
what isnt forgotten is that he played across from a 100 catch guy in an offense that doesnt throw...doesnt leave much leftover
yous can argue all you want about whether he was worth the money...i dont play that game...but randel el will be a very good #2 wr
Even the notion of wasting a first day pick on him is ludacrisp.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2006, 12:31:30 PM
what isnt forgotten is that he played across from a 100 catch guy in an offense that doesnt throw...doesnt leave much leftover
yous can argue all you want about whether he was worth the money...i dont play that game...but randel el will be a very good #2 wr
IGY... don't we already have a very good #2 receiver in Reggie Brown? That's why so many of us were against signing Randle El. He'd be nothing but a very high priced redundancy in this offense.
Just sayin'...
randel el automatically becomes the best wr on the eagles if signed...he greatly improves the team...i dont care if hes a number 1 or a number 10 wr...hes better than anything they have
the difference is the skins giants and taterskins will "overpay" to improve their teams...the eagles will not...if you believe in the eagles philosophy then more power to you...i personally think you have to do it at times
now that FA is over and the eagles have all that money left not getting someone like randel el makes a liottle more sense as its clear the eagles arent looking to win this year...and in year like this i have no problem not going out and paying for guys....its the years when youre on the brink of a superbowl and do little to nothing to get over the hump that i find disgraceful
the problem with this year is i believe the eagles had a chance to compete for the conference
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2006, 01:26:33 PM
randel el automatically becomes the best wr on the eagles if signed...
Even if you assume Reggie Brown will be about the same as he was last year, he's still better than Randle-El at WR.
right now randel el is better...one day reggie might be better...but whos to say
this year will show a lot...yes randel el is in a better offense...but reggie will be his teams number one guy...well see
either way whos really cares....randel el makes the eagles measureably better at both wr and kr
brown
randel el
gaffney
i would be happy with
randel el at PR id be estatic with
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2006, 12:31:30 PM
what isnt forgotten is that he played across from a 100 catch guy in an offense that doesnt throw...doesnt leave much leftover
yous can argue all you want about whether he was worth the money...i dont play that game...but randel el will be a very good #2 wr
He was the #3 in Pittsburgh and in all likelihood will be the #3 in Washington.
last year he was the #2, after they lost Burress.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 26, 2006, 01:43:19 PM
last year he was the #2, after they lost Burress.
He played like a #3, though.
um, ok.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 26, 2006, 01:43:19 PM
last year he was the #2, after they lost Burress.
Cedric Wilson lined up opposite Ward more often in 2 WR sets. Randle El almost always was in the slot or came out of the backfield.
Terrell Owens lined up in the slot and came out of the backfield too, is he a #3?
Ugh... more Randle El crap, I see.
Once and for all, Randle El is a gimmick player and nothing more.
Snyder signed him for the same reason that every fat little rich kid wants every new toy at Kiddie City. No one else was giving him that kind of money, so in essence, fat boy was bidding against himself. Just like he always does.
Saying he's a better receiver than anyone on the Eagles right now is ridiculous. He wouldn't even be the best punt returner on the Eagles. Westbrook holds that distinction. I'll give you the kickoff returner thing, though. Of course, if spending $30M for a kickoff returner/4th string QB/2nd WR hybrid is your idea of greatly improving the Eagles, let's just say I'm glad you're not in charge of personnel decisions.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 26, 2006, 01:53:41 PM
Terrell Owens lined up in the slot and came out of the backfield too, is he a #3?
No. He was on the field in 2 WR sets. Randle El usually was not.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on April 26, 2006, 01:55:43 PM
Saying he's a better receiver than anyone on the Eagles right now is ridiculous.
McCants, McMullen, and Greg Lewis are all better WR than Randle El?
No. He was on the field in 2 WR sets. Randle El usually was not
complete and utter making up of information
cant have a discussion with people like this
just say you dont like him and he sucks...thats your honest opinion and it can be respected...but blatanly making up stuff like randel el wasnt in the steeler two wr sets is just ignorant...do you really think because you say something a) its true b) people will believe you
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2006, 02:01:14 PM
No. He was on the field in 2 WR sets. Randle El usually was not
complete and utter making up of information
cant have a discussion with people like this
just say you dont like him and he sucks...thats your honest opinion and it can be respected...but blatanly making up stuff like randel el wasnt in the steeler two wr sets is just ignorant...do you really think because you say something a) its true b) people will believe you
I watched Steeler games. It's true. You're just saying the opposite and claiming it's true... If you don't believe me that he was the #3, heres's a link for the Steelers depth chart as of the start of January. http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/teams/depth082.htm
I don't think he sucks. I think for what he is, that he's a very nice player and I would have liked him on the Eagles. But is he worth $30 million and would have saved the Eagles passing game? That's just a joke.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 26, 2006, 01:53:41 PM
Terrell Owens lined up in the slot and came out of the backfield too, is he a #3?
I was more referring to Randle-El's PRODUCTION. They wanted him to step up into Burress's role and be a solid #2 receiver, and he was only average at
best in that role.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2006, 02:01:14 PM
No. He was on the field in 2 WR sets. Randle El usually was not
complete and utter making up of information
cant have a discussion with people like this
hines ward and cedric wilson were #1 and #2
Plaxico Burress' AVERAGE stats as Pittsburgh's #2 receiving option:
Quote14.5g/p 60rec 973yds 16.3ypc 5.5tds
Randel El's stats as Pittsburgh's #2 receiving option:
Quote16g/p 35rec 558yds 15.8ypc 1td
Clearly their offense has room for a productive second receiver. Clearly Randel El wasn't that guy. The Eagles receivers suck, no doubt, but jesus, Randel El wasn't going to be the end all solution. MAYBE he would have been the second receiver and he would have contributed on special teams, but he isn't any different than Gaffney as a receiver so can you farging retards stop talking about the taterskins' 2nd/3rd receiver and return man?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2006, 07:14:51 PM
Plaxico Burress' AVERAGE stats as Pittsburgh's #2 receiving option:
Quote14.5g/p 60rec 973yds 16.3ypc 5.5tds
Randel El's stats as Pittsburgh's #2 receiving option:
Quote16g/p 35rec 558yds 15.8ypc 1td
Clearly their offense has room for a productive second receiver. Clearly Randel El wasn't that guy. The Eagles receivers suck, no doubt, but jesus, Randel El wasn't going to be the end all solution. MAYBE he would have been the second receiver and he would have contributed on special teams, but he isn't any different than Gaffney as a receiver so can you farging retards stop talking about the taterskins' 2nd/3rd receiver and return man?
Good shtein.