Said wideout is not a strong position in the draft
thread worthy?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 01:22:29 PM
thread worthy?
Hardly
I'm listening though, Tom Lawler aka goeagles99 and Adam Caplan will be on.
Dave saying that Westbrook and Sheppard are the top two guys up for PR duty.
Smells like a smokescreen, making other teams think they aren't desperate for a return specialist.
i also heard dave say that gaffney will be the opening day #2 wr
and not to forget about pinky ....then went right on to say a minute or two later that hes wary of getting javon walker because of his injury last year
Tom Lawler aka goeagles99
i met that cat at a bar in baltimore one time
is he an actual guest on the show?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 01:36:36 PM
Tom Lawler aka goeagles99
i met that cat at a bar in baltimore one time
is he an actual guest on the show?
Yes. Spew said they're calling him later to get his perspective on the draft.
He's high on Chad Greenway, so that segment of the show will lead to alcohol consumption.
what credentials does he have to be on that show that any of us dont have...i mean i met dook...hes just a regular guy...or does he work for the website or something
He started his own website. It's like scoutsnotebook.com or some shtein.
Anyway, between this stupid hick on the phone right now and Dave saying that Donovan IS the big back the team needs to pick up 3rd and 1, I can't decide who I'd rather punch in the taint.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 01:44:37 PM
what credentials does he have to be on that show that any of us dont have...i mean i met dook...hes just a regular guy...or does he work for the website or something
Aside from his blog on the EMB he has no credentials. However, his knowledge and perspective on the college draft are outstanding. He watches a ton of tape and usually has a well prepared opinion on every player.
a couple weeks ago i listened to eagle live for the first time ever...today is number 2...its kind of a train wreck type experience...i guess its basically the audio version of daves articles...it is infuriating
in a 10-15 snap rotation ed jasper will be a difference maker???
Even after Dave basically did everything but beat this guy over the head and tell him flat out that Paul Grasmanis and Hollis Thomas are done with the Eagles, the guy is still saying he feels Grasmanis would be a valuable guy to have for depth on the team. And the same guy doesn't think Patterson is any good at all.
Is Dave only accepting calls from guys that make him look smart?
OMG - the guy has mentioned both Hollis and a 3rd for Walker AND Jeff Faine.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 01:46:18 PM
He started his own website. It's like scoutsnotebook.com or some shtein.
Anyway, between this stupid hick on the phone right now and Dave saying that Donovan IS the big back the team needs to pick up 3rd and 1, I can't decide who I'd rather punch in the taint.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing Dave Spadaro has ever said in his entire life. I hope.
OK, the same guy is now saying he'd like to bring in Javon Walker to add "leadership" on offense, and now he's comparing Chad Jackson to Javon, saying the parallels go right down to them playing for the same school.
Dave didn't correct him, either.
BTW, Dave is un-pimping both Ngata and Chad Jackson, hanging on the cack of Jaws.
dave trying to shield the eagles from criticism if they dont tak a wr at 14 by saying the top wr's arent that good but you can get a great wr in the 2nd or 3rd...when in fact its the exact opposite with two solid first round guys in holmes and jackson and the rest of the class being real weak
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 01:54:28 PM
OK, the same guy is now saying he'd like to bring in Javon Walker to add "leadership" on offense, and now he's comparing Chad Jackson to Javon, saying the parallels go right down to them playing for the same school.
Dave didn't correct him, either.
BTW, Dave is un-pimping both Ngata and Chad Jackson, hanging on the cack of Jaws.
This is just some random guy, right. Not somebody with some sort of credentials, right?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 01:55:40 PM
in fact its the exact opposite with two solid first round guys in holmes and jackson and the rest of the class being real weak
Sinorice demands an apology.
BTW, Dave finally redeemed himself a little bit by once again reiterating that it absolutely means something that Andy Reid was so open about criticizing Dhani during that interview on NFLN at the owenrs meetings.
WTF are they going to do at the SAM LB position?
Hope opposing offenses forget they have a TE?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 01:57:37 PM
WTF are they going to do at the SAM LB position?
Pray to God someone shakes free during the June 1st cuts.
i personally think moss is a solid first rounder....but im saying in general what 'experts' are saying is that its holmes and jackson then a huge fall off...dave said that draft people have told him that its an unbelievably deep class that will have great wr's going in the 2nd and 3rd rounds...
hes only saying this cause he knows the eagles wont take a wr at 14 and is trying to quell the pro wr crowd by blatantly making up stuff to change their mind
chad jackson is getting murdered on this show
Caplan just said Chad Jackson was given a 4th round grade prior to the draft. Yikes.
Adam Caplan's talking about the Eagles trading way down into the 1st and taking Stovall, saying that he probably won't be there at #45. That would make me break things also.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 02:14:55 PM
Adam Caplan's talking about the Eagles trading way down into the 1st and taking Stovall, saying that he probably won't be there at #45. That would make me break things also.
ummm yeah. that is just something I dont even want to think of.
Lots of trading back talk, not so sure I like that.
So, Caplan's final analysis: Eagles will trade up for Bunkley or Justice or trade down for an LB in the first. Period.
there have been about 25 different scenario's for the Eagles in this draft, and it seems that about 24 of them are enough to make you want to stab your eyeballs with a pitchfork.
im all for trading back unless a huff or one of the great eight drop...which isnt going to happen
14 and 24 have equal value in this draft
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 01:57:37 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 01:55:40 PM
in fact its the exact opposite with two solid first round guys in holmes and jackson and the rest of the class being real weak
Sinorice demands an apology.
BTW, Dave finally redeemed himself a little bit by once again reiterating that it absolutely means something that Andy Reid was so open about criticizing Dhani during that interview on NFLN at the owenrs meetings.
WTF are they going to do at the SAM LB position?
Yeah, it's not like the NFC East has Shockey, Witten or Cooley or anything.
lets see.. Reid really thinks Dhani Jones sucks... but the current options are to have a rookie start at SAM or some veteran retread crap that falls off of June 1. Great options, just great.
Well, what I'm saying is that he's very strongly hinting that the Eagles plan to phase out Dhani.
So, what the hell is their plan to do that?
LaVAr!1!!1!Eleven!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 02:18:32 PM
im all for trading back unless a huff or one of the great eight drop...
trading down a bit is one thing. trading down a bit and drafting Stovall is another. In fact, it should never be mentioned again./
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 02:24:34 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 02:22:29 PM
LaVAr!1!!1!Eleven!
He did wear #11 in college, actually.
You are a true master of the sarcastic art, my friend.
taking stovall period is a mistake imo...much less in the first round...that would be a hindenberg type pick
Spads wants to castrate Maroney. Jeez.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 02:26:14 PM
Spads wants to castrate Maroney. Jeez.
It would be high comedy if the Eagles ended up with Maroney.
where the hell is lucy lawler the draft queen...only reason im still listening to this abortion of a show
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 02:26:14 PM
Spads wants to castrate Maroney. Jeez.
? im not listening, fill me in on that one.
Eagles fans would be "thrilled" with Bunkley and Stovall as the first two picks?!?
MURP, Spads was saying that he watched film on DeAngelo Williams and Maroney today and that it was night and day. Said Maroney brings nothing to the table, can't cut, runs too stiff, etc etc
I work with an icehole who is a purveyor of all things Extremeskins.com.....and I just realized how much listening to Spads reminded me of listening to that icehole. He defends everything Eagles......even when evidence is brought that proves him wrong beyond arguement.
he was dangerously close to saying that maroney would never play in the league...then backed off a little
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 02:33:14 PM
he was dangerously close to saying that maroney would never play in the league...then backed off a little
No....he
did say that. He then followed it up with, "You all can hold me to that, and get back to me in five years."
Forget the exact quote, but it was along the lines of, "There is no way he finds sucess in this league.....he looks terrible."
I now hope we draft Maroney and he goes to 10 straight pro bowls. Just so Spadz has to eat shtein every day for the rest of his career.
Spads just sang "One Shining Moment"... this is going from bad to worse.
(http://www.covers.com/images/2005/180x180/greenway_chad050909.jpg)
Just really looked at your avatar for the first time FF.
Is that a linebacker with a ball in his hands?
We haven't seen that in years. Draft that bitch!
ill settle for dave having to walk the halls of novacare with a guy he urinated on who can break him open like a peanut
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 02:29:20 PM
where the hell is lucy lawler the draft queen...only reason im still listening to this abortion of a show
Same here, this is God awful.
This guy on now is either:
A) High
B) Drunk
C) Drunk and High
Which is it?
lol...he was no doubt lit up like a christmas tree
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 02:40:38 PM
This guy on now is either:
A) High
B) Drunk
C) Drunk and High
Which is it?
D) Just bought some rock off stilloncrack
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 02:38:32 PM
(http://www.covers.com/images/2005/180x180/greenway_chad050909.jpg)
Is that a linebacker with a ball in his hands?
We haven't seen that in years. Draft that bitch!
He's also good in coverage. Crazy huh? Too bad his whiteness is his downfall.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 02:38:32 PM
Is that a linebacker with a ball in his hands?
Dhani:
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/CGKLBIOIBJCD/Jones-8.jpg)
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/NCNPPAIILCGJ/DAL_PHI_0358_DH.jpg)
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 02:38:32 PM
Is that a linebacker with a ball in his hands?
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/CGKLBIOIBJCD/Jones-8.jpg)
1. It is practice.
2. Dhani is clearly baffled, along with Trot, as to what to do now that the brown thing is stuck to his arm. He is clearly running in fear and confusion.
(http://espn.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/dhani_jones.jpg)
In a real game!
he really knows how to carry the ball.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 02:53:13 PM
(http://espn.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/dhani_jones.jpg)
In a real game!
At first look I thought that was LJ.
Your boys on, igy.
Look at the terror on his face.
(http://espn.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/dhani_jones.jpg)
It comes full circle. In this photo he is clearly demonstrating to Trotter what a scary, strange trip it was, and informing him that he should avoid touching the "rock" at all costs.
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/CGKLBIOIBJCD/Jones-8.jpg)
Dave is once again sharing his warm fuzzy feelings on Trent Cole's body.
Nothing great from ge99 other than some okay draft talk. Spew just ripped him for watching 3 or 4 hours of tape a day, basically saying he has no life. Ouch.
Spew has a man crush on Trent Cole's body. Calls him beast.
his body is amazing...i havent seen it since hes been on the eagles...but coming out of college it was deisel X >>>>...and hes much bigger now
lawyer milloy just proved what ive been trying to say for years...that anyone can do this draft ish...and i mean ANYONE...no one knows more or less than anyone else...
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 20, 2006, 02:53:13 PM
(http://espn.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/dhani_jones.jpg)
In a real game!
Actually, the ball was fumbled out of bounds and Dhani picked it up and just started running. Course it was like Forrest and the coaches were all yelling at him to run the other way.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 20, 2006, 03:08:35 PM
Nothing great from ge99 other than some okay draft talk. Spew just ripped him for watching 3 or 4 hours of tape a day, basically saying he has no life. Ouch.
Spew has a man crush on Trent Cole's body. Calls him beast.
He was known as "scrap iron" coming out of college for that very reason. Scary looking dude.
(http://enquirer.com/bearcats/2002/12/01/ucf4.jpg)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 04:02:27 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 20, 2006, 03:08:35 PM
Nothing great from ge99 other than some okay draft talk. Spew just ripped him for watching 3 or 4 hours of tape a day, basically saying he has no life. Ouch.
Spew has a man crush on Trent Cole's body. Calls him beast.
He was known as "scrap iron" coming out of college for that very reason. Scary looking dude.
I'm a little surprised he hasn't been referred to by that nickname much.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 20, 2006, 05:10:30 PM
I'm a little surprised he hasn't been referred to by that nickname much.
Everytime we talk it's "Hey Scrap iron, how you doing?" and he's always like, "Pretty good, master of all things cool and big-titted."
Did they talk about Santanio Holmes at all? I would think he is a strong option if they stay at their current position. They could use a gamebreaker type on both special teams and on the outside.
I have a question though, nobody seems to really be happy with any of the options that have been mentioned, so what would be the consensus that would make everybody happy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 20, 2006, 01:44:37 PM
what credentials does he have to be on that show that any of us dont have...i mean i met dook...hes just a regular guy...or does he work for the website or something
Fair question.
I have actually gotten training from an NFL scout. I have worked out players at a Regional Combine. I have talked to NFL scouts (not many mind you).
I was a broadcaster in college and spent a fair amount of time around the football team's coaching staff. I learned a lot about football from talking to the assistant coaches. Those guys are a great source of info. They love to talk and will answer football related questions all day long.
I also have spent time around several HS coaching staffs. Sometimes that means nothing, but I was lucky enough to be exposed to some really smart coaches.
I also have read quite a few books on football techniques and that type of thing.
I tape pro and college games all year long and study them. I've been doing that now for about 11 years.
And Lucy Lawler is a kick@ss name. I like that.
Can you help me understand why either Chad would be a good pick at #14?
I see Greenway as a guy that can cover but will likely get mauled physically in the NFL, and isn't much of a playmaker or ballhawk either. I see Jackson as a guy with physical tools, but also not the best route-runner around, and hands of questionable quality.
Dave was on Angelo this morning and saying that all his team position reports have been done on purpose as a joke.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on April 21, 2006, 08:28:21 AM
Dave was on Angelo this morning and saying that all his team position reports have been done on purpose as a joke.
Why does that not surprise me?
Fair question
actually it wasnt fair or unfair...i wasnt ripping you...i know you have no more or less credentials than anyone else on this board...since i knew you as just a regular cat i was wondering how you got on the show...whether it was because dave knew you from the board or because you were a writer or someone with press credentials or something like that
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 21, 2006, 06:53:26 AM
Can you help me understand why either Chad would be a good pick at #14?
I see Greenway as a guy that can cover but will likely get mauled physically in the NFL, and isn't much of a playmaker or ballhawk either. I see Jackson as a guy with physical tools, but also not the best route-runner around, and hands of questionable quality.
Greenway isn't the 14th best player, but if the Eagles stay put at 14, there are only so many guys who fit our needs and have a rating in that area. Can't take a RB or QB. Not likely to take a CB. DE? That leaves LB, S, OL, DT and WR. If the two OTs are gone, that eliminates OL. I doubt there will be a S with a rating that high still on the board. That leaves LB, DT, and WR. I don't think it is likely that either of the big DTs falls to us. That leaves LB and WR.
I'm a firm believer in not reaching for need, but the guys likely to be on the board at 14 don't fit us that well. Too many WLBs, RBs, and CBs.
Chad would play SLB for us. He's taller and heavier than Dhani. Like Jones, he would play off the LOS. Chad is best when he can see the play and go attack it. We used Dhani like that last year. Greenway isn't a puss. He's not scared of contact (Spencer Havner of UCLA is). He'll lower his head and take on ballcarriers. He'll battle OL. Certainly, that isn't his specialty, but so what? Most of the time LBs are playing in space. I want a guy who can play in space. Chad is quite good at that. There are 30 running plays a game. Maybe 15 would come at you. The rest you would be in pursuit.
Dhani is a strong guy. Did 29 reps at the Combine. He's a MLB type guy. Were you happy with him last year?
And Chad is the best coverage LB in the whole Draft. He excels in pass coverage. Don't overlook that. Our LBs didn't exactly play the pass all that well last year. He could play immediately in the Nickel D.
I watched some of Chad Jackson last night. I like him. The route running seems like a somewhat bogus complaint. He played in an offense that throws a lot of quick, short passes. UF threw a lot of WR screens and short, odd passes. They don't seem to have the standard passing tree.
Chad is 6'1, 210. Ran a 4.32 at the Combine. He caught 88 passes as a Junior. He only caught 40 or so passes in '04, but averaged 18 yds a catch. He can be effective as a possession guy or downfield rcvr. He's got big hands. He is too much of a body catcher, but you can work on that. Has good RAC ability. He's a playmaker.
I simply don't buy all the guys who are ripping Chad. I've been a fan of his since early in the year. I think he'd be an excellent WCO WR. Is he worth 14? That might be a bit high, but I have him as a 1st Rd WR.
I simply don't buy all the guys who are ripping Chad. I've been a fan of his since early in the year. I think he'd be an excellent WCO WR. Is he worth 14? That might be a bit high, but I have him as a 1st Rd WR.
some good points, but a little overstated with some of the attributes of Greenway
What did Jackson do in the WCO at Florida that excited you so much that you have confidence in him?
if they take greenway over sims at 14 they should be shot...the eagles need linebackers period not just a sam....so to me you take the best one and sims>>>>>greenway...greenway is a borderline nfl starting linebacker imo...sims is a potential great one....greenway would be a classic andy pick tho
as for jackson i agree that he can be a possesion guy as well as get downfield but to me he does everything ok but doesnt have the potential to do anything great...ypc is such an overrated and inflated statistic at florida....four catches a game for 150 yards during the first four games of the year vs applaichian st pushes those numbers much higher than they are...last year was a more true indication of jackson...a ton of catches but not for a lot of yards...yes part of this was meyers system but i think thats more what jackson will be in the league...a nice solid #2 or 3 wr...i dont see him as big time playmaker type...i wouldnt hate on the pick if they took him but i think they can do better at 14...or even trading back
ge99: Some good points, and I appreciate it.
However, don't you think the Eagles could surprise you a bit more than you're allowing for? You're basically completely discounting some positions from the equation, and it would seem you're not realizing that they usually draft for the next year (ie: 2007) and beyond, not only the current year.
Would they want to get a player that can contribute in 2006? Sure. But will he be an immediate starter? Unlikely.
That said, if Dhani is better suited to play MLB, good... because the team needs a backup for Trotter badly.
The Eagles do draft for the future. And that is the right thing to do. The problem is that even the long term needs are hard to define.
The Eagles are a fairly young team. Spots to address for the future:
X rcvr
LDE
DT
MLB
S - maybe
CB - maybe
The problem is trying to figure out who to add at 14.
Forget about teams, let's be logical about who will likely be on the board. Here's a list of guys that SHOULD be gone:
Cutler
Leinart
Young
Bush
V. Davis
Ferguson
Justice
Bunkley
Ngata
Hawk
Sims
Huff
That is 12 players. That would leave us a group of say these 9 guys to look at:
(not in order of interest or grade)
Kamerion Wimbley
Mathias Kiwanuka
Chad Greenway
Tye Hill
Jonathan Joseph
Jimmy Williams
Deangelo Williams
Santonio Holmes
Chad Jackson
There are a couple of other guys who the Eagles could have rated higher than me:
Manny Lawson
D'Qwell Jackson
Nick Mangold
Bobby Carpenter
So which of those players is a combination of good value at #14 and fits our long or short term needs? Virtually none of those guys.
We have to hope that a CB, LB and/or RB possibly jumps up ahead of us and pushes down another player.
I think trading down is the way to go. The best value would be at CB. The problem is that we already have two good CBs that are in their prime. We added Sheldon and Lito when Bobby and Troy were older guys on the way out. That isn't the case this time around. We could draft a CB with the thought of Sheldon moving to FS in the future. I'd have no problems with that. I just don't know if you can invest a 1st Rd pick into a non-starter (#3 CB).
@ Ernie Sims is a tough guy for me to rate. He is an explosive, fluid athlete. He is a rugged, violent SOB (great compliment to a LB). However, he's not a huge playmaker. Phil Savage mentioned in an interview that he considered Ernie an ILB prospect for the Browns. I think he could play MLB, but would need to add a few lbs. Also, there are character questions. He was arrested for Domestic Battery and Resisting Arrest last summer. Ernie is a violent player on the field. Can he control that off the field? Was it a one time incident or was it the only time she called the cops on him?
Plus, who is the last good football player named Ernie?
@ Chad Jackson I like for the WCO for a few reasons. First, I like the size/speed numbers. You cannot create size or speed. You have it or you don't. Second, he played this year in Urban Meyer's "small ball" attack. Chad didn't complain. He caught a lot of passes, but it had to be frustrating to have literally 60% of the catches within 5 yds of the LOS. He took a pounding from DBs and LBs. Urban didn't account for SEC athletes being able to shut down his passing attack. They did. Utah's top 2 WRs combined to average over 14 ypc and had 23 TD receptions in 2004. The top 2 guys at Florida avgd 11.4 a catch and had 14 TDs. Urban has to adjust his offense. It worked like a charm in the MAC and MWC, but the SEC features the best defenses in the country. He was able to catch those short passes and take the beating and keep on playing. One of our biggest complaints with Pinky is his lack of toughness. That isn't an issue with Chad.
Chad does have RAC skills, a must for a WCO WR. He's got okay quickness. He can be elusive and make the first defender miss.
I watched him run right by a FSU CB last night. The ball was terribly underthrown. Chad slammed on the brakes and leapt up to make a play on the ball. That shows you that he's got good awareness and sees the ball well. The pass was so poorly thrown that he wasn't able to bring the ball in. He gave a terrific effort though. He was trying to keep it alive as he fell to the ground.
Is he a polished route runner with soft, natural hands? No. Go get Jason Avant or Mike Hass if that is who you want. Chad does have big hands. He's also got long arms. You can work with him on catching the ball better. That is a learned skill.
I don't want it to sound like I think this kid is a slam dunk, awesome prospect. He's not. However, Jaws and Co. sounded overly harsh on the kid yesterday. It wouldn't shock me to see him last to the 2nd Rd.
Chad Jackson at #45 I love. Chad Jackson at #14 throws up warning flags.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 20, 2006, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 20, 2006, 05:10:30 PM
I'm a little surprised he hasn't been referred to by that nickname much.
Everytime we talk it's "Hey Scrap iron, how you doing?" and he's always like, "Pretty good, master of all things cool and big-titted."
:-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 21, 2006, 02:27:57 PM
Chad Jackson at #45 I love. Chad Jackson at #14 throws up warning flags.
I have to wonder why you (and some others) think that way. I am really not against the Eagles taking Jackson at 14 at all. There are other players I would prefer they get but it seems unlikely that these players will last to the 14 spot. So why not take a shot at him? Most of my reasoning for this the significant drop after Holmes and Jackson. And to me WR is almost as bad a need as DT or SAM.
wide receiver is a far bigger need than dt...their number one pick last year was a dt...either he was a bad pick or the position cant be the biggest need on the team
wr and lb/sam i totally agree on...and the reason i dont want jackson is because sims is a much better lb than jackson is a wr...i also think jackson and holmes are being elevated higher than they should be because its not a deep wr class..just because the second round wideouts suck doesnt mean jackson should go at 14...thats not a reason to take someone
i agree with lawler in that a trade downn is the way to go
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2006, 02:54:52 PM
wide receiver is a far bigger need than dt...their number one pick last year was a dt...either he was a bad pick or the position cant be the biggest need on the team
That's kind of silly when you consider that Reggie Brown was taken only 4 picks after Patterson, though.
I see Sims as another WIL, which is about the last thing the Eagles need. I think most of your points are good ones and I would not be at all adverse to the Eagles trading down. But if they did go with Jackson I wouldn't be upset as some of may be.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2006, 02:54:52 PM
wide receiver is a far bigger need than dt...their number one pick last year was a dt...either he was a bad pick or the position cant be the biggest need on the team
wr and lb/sam i totally agree on...and the reason i dont want jackson is because sims is a much better lb than jackson is a wr...i also think jackson and holmes are being elevated higher than they should be because its not a deep wr class..just because the second round wideouts suck doesnt mean jackson should go at 14...thats not a reason to take someone
i agree with lawler in that a trade downn is the way to go
FF put it nicely and I just don't see the logic. Controlling the line of scrimmage was brutal last year and Patterson can only play one of the two DT positions. Unless you have a lot more faith in Darwin Walker than I do. I would be happy with either Greenway or Sims in the first round.
dt = 2 spots and one was filled last year by their #1 pick (yeah i know they have a rotation but thats their fault...most teams play the first two guys far more than the third and fourth guys)
wr = 3 or 4 spots a lot of times all at once and we dont need to go into the fact that the eagle throw the ball more than anyone in the nfl
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2006, 03:04:08 PM
dt = 2 spots and one was filled last year by their #1 pick (yeah i know they have a rotation but thats their fault...most teams play the first two guys far more than the third and fourth guys)
wr = 3 or 4 spots a lot of times all at once and we dont need to go into the fact that the eagle throw the ball more than anyone in the nfl
The way you discounted the idea of the DT rotation was as quick as it was meaningless. The Eagles will carry/use 4-5 WR's and they will carry/use 4-5 DT's. Both positions definitely need help. My only contention is that the Eagles are much more likely to find value at DT in the late rounds in general... but the top-end talent at WR this year is pretty damn questionable too.
But if they did go with Jackson I wouldn't be upset as some of may be.
i wouldnt head butt the television or anything i just think there are better options...if they took jackson id support the pick
Whoever the pick is, I'll support him and continue to cheer for the team.
I'll just hope I'm wrong if it's a guy I don't like.
Whoever the pick is, I'll support him
chad greenway thanks you
and continue to cheer for the team
lol...i wasnt talking about rooting for the team...im saying there are some picks that id rip them for...jackson is not one of those picks...anyway its real hard to say now as the quality of a pick depends a lot on who was also available at the time...if huff dropped to 14 and they took jackson it would be ON
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2006, 03:04:08 PM
dt = 2 spots and one was filled last year by their #1 pick (yeah i know they have a rotation but thats their fault...most teams play the first two guys far more than the third and fourth guys)
wr = 3 or 4 spots a lot of times all at once and we dont need to go into the fact that the eagle throw the ball more than anyone in the nfl
I think you can get a damn good DT in the second round at 45. But Moss, Holmes, and Jackson will almost certainly be gone by then.
oh i would like another tackle no doubt...and id take bunkley over any wr at 14 but in terms of need its...
1. LB
1a. WR
2. DT
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 21, 2006, 03:22:29 PM
oh i would like another tackle no doubt...and id take bunkley over any wr at 14 but in terms of need its...
1. LB
1a. WR
2. DT
I would love for the Eagles to trade down and get Bobby Carpenter. But I would still put DT beside or ahead of WR as far as needs are concerned.
The thought of Chad Jackson at 14 angers me.
Overrated.
If Walker doesn't get traded here Holmes or Jackson is a must at 14 IMO. I don't want Stovall late because he has no YAC ability. We already have our possession receiver in Gaffney.
Holmes or Jackson being a must at 14 = reach.
reaching = bad drafting
bad drafting = not good
Jeff Webb, Brandon Marshall or Greg Jennings later on in the draft.
And Sinorice maybe if its in round 2 or a trade down in round 1.
Holmes after a trade down = good.
Jackson any sooner than our pick in the 2nd = bad.
Stovall in the 2nd = good.
Walker ain't happening. No way. No how.
If they are able to add a big bodied DT to eat up double teams and stuff against the run, the LBs will look much better. This is the reason I think the DT position is the most serious need right now. If you look at teams that have big uglies up front, that dominate the LOS, their LBs are always tackle machines, playmakers. The Bears, Jacksonville, Steelers, Carolina, etc. If you get a guy like Ngata, Watson, or Wright, and pair them with a quick, one gapper like Patterson, and two "fastball" DEs (Kearse, Cole, Doogs, Howard), the LOS will be plenty busy with that alone. The LBs can then fly all around and wreak havoc.
That said, if Ngata is gone, I would go with Sims, or one of the top DBs if they drop (Huff). I don't like the idea of them taking a WR, as someone said earlier, the zesty WR class in this draft make guys like Chad Jackson and Santonio Holmes look much better than they are. Example, where do you think those two guys would be rated in last years draft with the likes of Williamson, Edwards, Brown, etc.? I like Moss, but his injury history gives me pause, and I'm not sure in the end he'd be worth an early second round pick. The value isn't there with the WRs.
I didn't name Bunkley because I don't like that idea of adding another one-gapper. Thomas isn't coming back, and Marshall isn't exactly making strides in NFL Europe. If they go DT, I would want a big bastich, not a smallish, quick tackle that can't collapse the pocket routinely.
If Ngata, Sims, Justice, or Huff, are gone and trading up would be too costly, it's time to trade back, with the exception of maybe Lawson, if you've graded him at that spot, but again, DE is pretty thin at the top, and his recent rise could be a result of that.
My top three best picks based purely on need would be:
1. Ngata
2. Sims
3. Justice