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Poll
Question: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Option 1: A
Option 2: A-
Option 3: B+
Option 4: B
Option 5: B-
Option 6: C+
Option 7: C
Option 8: C-
Option 9: D
Option 10: F
Title: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: MURP on March 24, 2006, 03:57:19 PM
 :deion
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: T_Section224 on March 24, 2006, 03:58:35 PM
i went from a 73 to like a 78, c to a c+
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 03:58:42 PM
individually it looks ok

Howard  B
Barber  C-
Gaffney  C
Garcia  A
Schoebel   A

but as a whole free agency has been a D C- because of who they didnt get and what they still need
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: hunt on March 24, 2006, 04:00:12 PM
Quotei was generous & gave them a C.

DE is really the only position they upgraded significantly...some mediocre depth was added at TE, OLB, & QB...nothing more.  they also failed to address the o-line so that cancels out the howard signing, imo.

still a C from me...signing runyan didn't upgrade the o-line so there's no reason to change the grade now.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 24, 2006, 04:00:42 PM
C+

The problem is that the major signings are question marks. What will Gaffney do? What will Howard do?

Howard could be a B- or an A-
Gaffney could be a C or a B
Barber could be a C- or a C+

Can't grade this shtein yet, but right now its pretty meh.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: exitfoura on March 24, 2006, 04:01:39 PM
a solid C, with the chance to move up if gaffney and howard pan out. if howard is 10+ sacks, the grade is an A, almost regardless of anybody else. pass rush had to be improved. barber and shobel were insurance signings, gaffney can't do worse than he did in texas so I expect decent numbers from him.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Diomedes on March 24, 2006, 04:01:40 PM
C+, up from a D.  That's a considerable leap and I'm sure I'm being too kind.  But I feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing Runyan will be back.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 04:02:04 PM
This off-season has not been bad so far.  It has also not been good.  C.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: MDS on March 24, 2006, 04:02:26 PM
79.5%

technically rounds to a B-, but really....they just aren't quite there for the B range. Getting Walker or Moulds could change that.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on March 24, 2006, 04:09:48 PM
I give it a C

Aside from the Howard signing I don't think we've upgraded enough with the cap space we've had available. Even if we had signed Bentley I would have only gave this offseason a B.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: MURP on March 24, 2006, 04:27:56 PM
im going from C+ to B-.   
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:30:03 PM
i think that people's grades should stay the same, because that's what this team has done with the move.  it's a good move, but it's a lateral move, all this does is keep the offseason from being a Three Mile Island disaster


C-
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:31:10 PM
i think that people's grades should stay the same, because that's what this team has done with the move.  it's a good move, but it's a lateral move, all this does is keep the offseason from being a Three Mile Island disaster

nobody likes a copycat...and anyway i was wrong when i said it first...so now youre dumb and a copycat
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:30:03 PM
i think that people's grades should stay the same, because that's what this team has done with the move.

That means you agree with IGY and disagree with logic that actually makes sense.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 04:31:25 PM
i say B. i dont remember what i graded before. it's a low B, but not B- low.

they've made some nice moves and improved depth. and made some low risk high reward moves. i think they were all too injured last season to show true colors.  the draft can plug other holes.

hell, doing nothing else but getting rid of owens was enough to give them a C
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:32:43 PM
if they let Runyan go and had Herremans or Andrews starting at tackle next year, they would be worse off from last year.  as it is, they signed an important part and maintained continuity at that position.  try and explain what's wrong with that logic.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 04:34:21 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:32:43 PM
if they let Runyan go and had Herremans or Andrews starting at tackle next year, they would be worse off from last year.  as it is, they signed an important part and maintained continuity at that position.  try and explain what's wrong with that logic.

What's wrong is you can only grade the offseason based on moves actually made.  So, you should have graded them as if they hadn't re-signed Runyan before today and now grade them as if they have... because that's actually what happened and shtein.

Are you going to grade their draft a B- right now?  Because that would make as much sense as grading free agency based on events that have not yet occurred.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:35:55 PM
ok, that so my logic doesn't make sense for the flagy letter grade system, ok that's fair.

but my main point is still the same
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:39:11 PM
ok, that so my logic doesn't make sense for the flagy letter grade system, ok that's fair.

but my main point is still the same


make everyone happy and bump em up a half grade and move on....thats what i did
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 04:39:43 PM
Your point is the same as mine, only I did it properly... giving the team a grade in the D range before re-signing Runyan and now upping it to a C when they did re-sign him, because now the offseason is averagish and before it was not.

Try to keep up.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:40:02 PM
no, and if i keep catching static from deez cats, i'm gonna fail them alltogether, and nobody wants to go to summer school
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Rome on March 24, 2006, 04:40:24 PM
I'm dropping my grade down to a "C" so I can be like the "cool" kids on CF!

Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:40:44 PM
that won't help
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 04:40:53 PM
you're right. this sucks.

F
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:41:40 PM
but sarcasm aside, what's been so great about this offseason?  they upgraded at DE.  they barely upgraded at WR and backup TE.  they also got embarassed by their main target and they had no backup plan.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:42:07 PM
my thing is he wasnt gone before he resigned....he was in limbo...so their grade shouldnt have been hurt because he wasnt resigned...it should have taken a big hit had he left tho...and stayed the same/slight bump if he returned
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Feva on March 24, 2006, 04:42:28 PM
I gave 'em a C+ before resigning Runyan... and now that they have I feel better, but I still don't have that feeling of a B this FA period.  Too many slipped through the cracks.

C++
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: terpseagles on March 24, 2006, 04:42:37 PM
I give this offseason the finger.

For now anyway.  Maybe tonight after 12 beers, it'll be a C..... or something.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:42:52 PM
i used to know that language
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 04:43:16 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:41:40 PM
but sarcasm aside, what's been so great about this offseason?

Nothing.  That's why I gave it a C.  Averagey McAverageriffic.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Phanatic on March 24, 2006, 04:43:31 PM
I'm staying with a B-... It was a good signing of someone they know. Getting Moulds might raise the grade.

Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:43:51 PM
the Bently thing with no plan B is like not turning in a research paper, thus my C-
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: phillywin2k5 on March 24, 2006, 04:46:12 PM
C or C- based on the fact they let Runyan test the waters! I would have been happy had they pursued Mike Anderson, whom im guessing he is sorry he signed on then to see Jamal resign 2 days later.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:41:40 PM
but sarcasm aside, what's been so great about this offseason?  they upgraded at DE.  they barely upgraded at WR and backup TE.  they also got embarassed by their main target and they had no backup plan.

whats been so bad about it?

they upgraded the backup QB, they added WR depth without a rookie curve to worry about, they gave kearse a counterpart, the made a low risk move to improve one of the LB spots. and re-signed the anchor of the line.

it's not that bad. yeah, bentley screwed them. the eagles say they agreed to a deal. so, why would the eagles have offered more if he already agreed?

i like the moves for the most part. and with most players coming back from injury and one or two more peices to fill, i think they will be right back fighting for the division.

Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:49:00 PM
C or C- based on the fact they let Runyan test the waters

you cant punish them for that...i think they are idiots...but you cant fault the move as a whole because of the way they went about it


runyan on wip now
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:49:16 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 04:46:39 PM
whats been so bad about it?

they upgraded the backup QB, they added WR depth without a rookie curve to worry about, they gave kearse a counterpart, the made a low risk move to improve one of the LB spots. and re-signed the anchor of the line.

it's not that bad. yeah, bentley screwed them. the eagles say they agreed to a deal. so, why would the eagles have offered more if he already agreed?

i like the moves for the most part. and with most players coming back from injury and one or two more peices to fill, i think they will be right back fighting for the division.



the moves made haven't been negative, you're right.  but they haven't done enough.  their defense was abismal last year, with no injuries, save one, and they only signed Howard, which was a good move, but not enough.  they need a lineback and Shawn Barber isn't enough.

they acknowledge that they need help in the middle of the OL by going after Bently so hard, but when they don't get him, they do nothing.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:49:00 PM
runyan on wip now

What's he saying?
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:51:49 PM
no matter what it is, it's in a dull, monotone voice
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 04:53:43 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:49:16 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 04:46:39 PM
whats been so bad about it?

they upgraded the backup QB, they added WR depth without a rookie curve to worry about, they gave kearse a counterpart, the made a low risk move to improve one of the LB spots. and re-signed the anchor of the line.

it's not that bad. yeah, bentley screwed them. the eagles say they agreed to a deal. so, why would the eagles have offered more if he already agreed?

i like the moves for the most part. and with most players coming back from injury and one or two more peices to fill, i think they will be right back fighting for the division.



the moves made haven't been negative, you're right.  but they haven't done enough.  their defense was abismal last year, with no injuries, save one, and they only signed Howard, which was a good move, but not enough.  they need a lineback and Shawn Barber isn't enough.

they acknowledge that they need help in the middle of the OL by going after Bently so hard, but when they don't get him, they do nothing.

fair enough...and i dont really disagree with any of that.

the defense was terrible last year, but the thing is it was the same personell as the year before. i blame the coaching there. and i really dont see the defense as being any more than above average because of the players, i think the scheme is tired and figured out. maybe howard helps, maybe not, but we wont know until they play.

barber isnt enough. i dont think they are done there.

howard was the #2DE in free agency. and after bentley, was there another center worth pushing hard for?
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:54:30 PM
-stayed because of family...took less to do so
-jets made a nice offer....was gonna take it but really wanted to stay and talked to the eagles to get it done


appears to me that he was ready to take the jets offer and the eagles came up a little on their offer....not to the jets contract but to an acceptable level

Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:54:57 PM
i would've taken Mawae over what they have now, if only for a year or two until Jackson is ready to take the job
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:57:58 PM
-says 'i think' jaamal jackson can start at center....thinks he will get a shot in preseason games to try and win the job (doesnt sound to confident about him to be honest)

Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 04:58:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 04:54:30 PM
-stayed because of family...took less to do so
-jets made a nice offer....was gonna take it but really wanted to stay and talked to the eagles to get it done


appears to me that he was ready to take the jets offer and the eagles came up a little on their offer....not to the jets contract but to an acceptable level

I am a seer.  Exactly what I said was probably the case.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 04:59:35 PM
so i wonder how much he gave up between the pay cut last year and the difference in contracts this year
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Phanatic on March 24, 2006, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:41:40 PM
but sarcasm aside, what's been so great about this offseason?  they upgraded at DE.  they barely upgraded at WR and backup TE.  they also got embarassed by their main target and they had no backup plan.

whats been so bad about it?

they upgraded the backup QB, they added WR depth without a rookie curve to worry about, they gave kearse a counterpart, the made a low risk move to improve one of the LB spots. and re-signed the anchor of the line.

it's not that bad. yeah, bentley screwed them. the eagles say they agreed to a deal. so, why would the eagles have offered more if he already agreed?

i like the moves for the most part. and with most players coming back from injury and one or two more peices to fill, i think they will be right back fighting for the division.



I agree. This was a thin FA class at a time when every team got some cushion with the cap. It's just so easy to look at the guys in charge and call them idiots. Why? These idiots have been one of the best teams in the NFL over the last 5 years. How many management teams out there can actually win the big game? 3 in the last 6 years? So we fire the current guys for who?
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 05:01:30 PM
he told howard to have a TO book burning bonfire before the opener next year

i cannot wait for that game....easiest ten bucks i ever made
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 05:02:06 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 04:59:35 PM
so i wonder how much he gave up between the pay cut last year and the difference in contracts this year

Who knows, but it's gotta be fairly obvious after Trotter and Runyan that if older players want to remain on the Eagles, they're going to do it after turning down an offer for more money elsewhere.

You hear that, Brian Dawkins?  Yikes.

Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2006, 05:01:30 PM
he told howard to have a TO book burning bonfire before the opener next year

i cannot wait for that game....easiest ten bucks i ever made

Ha!  We'll see.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Phanatic on March 24, 2006, 05:00:30 PM
I agree. This was a thin FA class at a time when every team got some cushion with the cap. It's just so easy to look at the guys in charge and call them idiots. Why? These idiots have been one of the best teams in the NFL over the last 5 years. How many management teams out there can actually win the big game? 3 in the last 6 years? So we fire the current guys for who?

so it's either they deserve to be fired or they're doing a great job?  no in between?

overall, the Eagles have proven they know what they are doing.  but when they have oodles of cap room and are coming off an awful season, I expect them to be aggressive and fill their needs.  just because i don't think they did that doesn't mean I want them to be fired.  it only means i think they dropped the ball a bit this offseason.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Phanatic on March 24, 2006, 05:09:23 PM
I think it is more the condition of the market this year. Normally all that cap space they have is an advantage. Not really much of one this year.

The fire them was more towards IGY who said he thought they are idiots. I was clearly unclear...
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Geowhizzer on March 24, 2006, 05:58:54 PM
Signing Runyan pushes them up a little.  It's kind of like one of my students bringing in a project that was a week late and hoping that it makes the difference to squeak the next letter grade.

This was just enough to push them from a D to a C-.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: stalker on March 24, 2006, 07:30:28 PM
FA is not close to over. Just thought I would let you all know.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Diomedes on March 24, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: stalker on March 24, 2006, 07:30:28 PM
FA is not close to over. Just thought I would let you all know.

By the calendar, you're right.  By the number of available free agents worth signing, you couldn't be more mistaken.

Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 07:48:05 PM
I have it at a B+ now, up from a B.

DT
SAM LB
WR

Those are still needs. But my guess is that they are addressed via the draft.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 24, 2006, 08:01:59 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 07:48:05 PM
I have it at a B+ now, up from a B.

DT
SAM LB
WR

Those are still needs. But my guess is that they are addressed via the draft.

How can you list those three positions as needs (three of the four biggest needs going into free agency, and by the way the middle/left interior offensive line still sucks) and give this offseason a B+?

Dude. I mean. I, just.  I'm at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 24, 2006, 08:23:50 PM
there is some homertastic stuff that pisses me off.  but then there's Phreak, who's sometime homertastic attitude just makes me wanna give him a noogie and say, "oh you"
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:25:09 PM
Because they still have the draft to go. And here's a newsflash - you can get good players in the draft too!

DT - I think they will get Bunkley or Ngata

WR is more like a luxury now. We know they are pretty much done unless Walker or Moulds falls into their laps. But I think they will draft a guy.

SAM LB is the one need that I think should be filled via FA.

If they draft a WR and DT then I am happy.

If they draft a DT, sign a SAM and draft/sign a WR then I am load blowing ecstatic.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: dis12 on March 24, 2006, 08:49:42 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 08:23:50 PM
there is some homertastic stuff that pisses me off.  but then there's Phreak, who's sometime homertastic attitude just makes me wanna give him a noogie and say, "oh you"
Phreak and noogie and anything that sounds like homo homer dont go together...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 08:23:50 PM
there is some homertastic stuff that pisses me off.  but then there's Phreak, who's sometime homertastic attitude just makes me wanna give him a noogie and say, "oh you"

:-D

I'm an optimist. But sometimes I do find myself teetering into the darkside. But then I hear some people who take it overboard (like the radio peeps or TATErs) and I am forced back to the homer side of things. But I believe everything I write.

Go get your Reggie Brown jersey's, folks. We've got a stud on our hands.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: dis12 on March 24, 2006, 08:53:14 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 08:23:50 PM
there is some homertastic stuff that pisses me off.  but then there's Phreak, who's sometime homertastic attitude just makes me wanna give him a noogie and say, "oh you"

:-D

I'm an optimist. But sometimes I do find myself teetering into the darkside. But then I hear some people who take it overboard (like the radio peeps or TATErs) and I am forced back to the homer side of things. But I believe everything I write.

Go get your Reggie Brown jersey's, folks. We've got a stud on our hands.

HOMER!
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Wingspan on March 24, 2006, 08:55:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:52:11 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 24, 2006, 08:23:50 PM
there is some homertastic stuff that pisses me off.  but then there's Phreak, who's sometime homertastic attitude just makes me wanna give him a noogie and say, "oh you"

:-D

I'm an optimist. But sometimes I do find myself teetering into the darkside. But then I hear some people who take it overboard (like the radio peeps or TATErs) and I am forced back to the homer side of things. But I believe everything I write.

Go get your Reggie Brown jersey's, folks. We've got a stud on our hands.

i bought one 2 months ago. slacker.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: QB Eagles on March 24, 2006, 09:07:55 PM
C. My previous grade assumed that Runyan would be resigned, so it stays the same. If Runyan had left, it would have fallen to a D.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 24, 2006, 09:24:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:25:09 PM
Because they still have the draft to go. And here's a newsflash - you can get good players in the draft too!

DT - I think they will get Bunkley or Ngata

WR is more like a luxury now. We know they are pretty much done unless Walker or Moulds falls into their laps. But I think they will draft a guy.

SAM LB is the one need that I think should be filled via FA.

If they draft a WR and DT then I am happy.

If they draft a DT, sign a SAM and draft/sign a WR then I am load blowing ecstatic.

So you're giving a grade based on a draft that hasn't happened yet and including a DT/WR combo that will somehow bring the grade up to a B+? I don't know what team you've been watching, but WRs don't just step in a 'improve' this team (don't use R.B. as an example, this team went 6-10 last year). Not to mention that our 'stud' DT rookie last year fell off TOUGH after the midway point in the season.

WR a luxury?

Noogies!
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 24, 2006, 10:17:11 PM
Here's my prediction:  None of the players the Eagles get in the draft this year will make the difference between winning or losing the Super Bowl.

Bold, I know.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: phillywin2k5 on March 24, 2006, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:25:09 PM
Because they still have the draft to go. And here's a newsflash - you can get good players in the draft too!

DT - I think they will get Bunkley or Ngata

WR is more like a luxury now. We know they are pretty much done unless Walker or Moulds falls into their laps. But I think they will draft a guy.

SAM LB is the one need that I think should be filled via FA.

If they draft a WR and DT then I am happy.

If they draft a DT, sign a SAM and draft/sign a WR then I am load blowing ecstatic.

Still think the Eagles take Lendale White and draft a DT in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on March 24, 2006, 11:34:39 PM
B-  it was a c- before.  Getting Big John back with adding a DE/DT hybrid type of player helped out the D Line and with a little luck they pick up a guy like Wright or Harris in the second if they dont go DT in the first
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on March 24, 2006, 11:44:32 PM
I'm giving it a B for now.

Gaffney will do well, fills a need. I really think he'll be locked in with a longer contract between now and the opener. He'll take over the number two spot if nothing else changes. They'll probably add a decent prospect in the draft.

Howard is going to do really well in a rotation with Cole, Kearse, and Doogs. And he is probably plenty anxious to prove that last year was a fluke, and get back to his double digit ways. If Doogs stays healthy, and surprises with only decent play, this could turn into a nasty D-Line with a solid DT from the draft added as well.

Schobel is a damn good signing. He is has some upside, and may wind up getting more snaps then LJ, especially if Reid is serious about running the ball a bunch more. (For the record, I am an LJ hater. Poor ball security and atrocious blocking  :boo)

Garcia, as said before is just insurance, but is a huge upgrade over what we had at the spot last year. They'll add a talented guy (Gradkowski) to groom to take over the second spot next year behind McNabb. They absolutely had to fix this, and Garcia is just about perfect for a short-term fix.

Barber I think is a total joke. Why they brought the guy in is a mystery to me, even as cheap as he came. If he is healthy, and that is a long shot, he is an upgrade. He won't stay healthy. They are going to depend on a mix of McCoy and Barber at the WIL. They should be flogged for this.

Runyan doesn't vastly improve the line over last year, but his signing was a must, and the line would have been terrible without. I like having Herremans, and the other younger guys in a spot where they can be evaluated and learn more while being shuffled a bit. Not having to depend on them possibly coming through is huge.

Highest priority to me is a DT and a SAM, in that order. They'll get the DT in the first round of the draft, no doubt in my mind about that. The SAM....doesn't seem like they will address it soon, possibly in the June cuts. It'd be a miracle if they could land a LB later in the draft that could produce in JJ's system at the SAM spot this year. Dhani there again this year would have me ripping my hair out.

I'd still like to see them add some veteran depth along the interior of the offensive line, no studs obviously, but guys who can step in and push the other guys.

Overall, I'm actually starting to get a good feeling about this offseason, but I am slightly drunk at the moment. They could potentially still add a guy like Walker or Moulds, have the opportunity to have a pretty nice haul in the draft, and will probably lock up Dawk, Lewis, etc.  with extensions with the extra cap space.


My B grade comes from the assumption that they aren't completely done. If they stop now, and don't sign anyone else, it'll probably drop down to the C/C- range.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Diomedes on March 25, 2006, 12:31:05 AM
At least I'm not the only one on this board who uses way too many words.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: The BIGSTUD on March 25, 2006, 01:05:45 AM
They should not get a higher grade than before for signing a player they should've signed anyway they had no excuse not to sign him so the grade doesn't improve. C-
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 25, 2006, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 25, 2006, 01:05:45 AM
They should not get a higher grade than before for signing a player they should've signed anyway they had no excuse not to sign him so the grade doesn't improve. C-

Your affinity for punctuation is only exceeded by your aptitude for logic.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 25, 2006, 01:08:46 AM
i think i need to change my grade now.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Diomedes on March 25, 2006, 01:09:42 AM
Back to sixth grade for Mo.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: The BIGSTUD on March 25, 2006, 01:23:39 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 25, 2006, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on March 25, 2006, 01:05:45 AM
They should not get a higher grade than before for signing a player they should've signed anyway they had no excuse not to sign him so the grade doesn't improve. C-

Your affinity for punctuation is only exceeded by your aptitude for logic.

Please excuse my run on sentence.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2006, 02:08:58 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 24, 2006, 09:24:43 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 24, 2006, 08:25:09 PM
Because they still have the draft to go. And here's a newsflash - you can get good players in the draft too!

DT - I think they will get Bunkley or Ngata

WR is more like a luxury now. We know they are pretty much done unless Walker or Moulds falls into their laps. But I think they will draft a guy.

SAM LB is the one need that I think should be filled via FA.

If they draft a WR and DT then I am happy.

If they draft a DT, sign a SAM and draft/sign a WR then I am load blowing ecstatic.

So you're giving a grade based on a draft that hasn't happened yet and including a DT/WR combo that will somehow bring the grade up to a B+? I don't know what team you've been watching, but WRs don't just step in a 'improve' this team (don't use R.B. as an example, this team went 6-10 last year). Not to mention that our 'stud' DT rookie last year fell off TOUGH after the midway point in the season.

WR a luxury?

Noogies!

Yes, I'll explain.

The biggest problem on this team last year, other than injuries, was the defense. Specifically the lack of a pass rush. They signed Darren Howard to start at RDE. That RDE position has been a problem since Hugh left. Derrick Burgess doesn't count because he had a whopping 2.5 sacks in 2004. In 2003 McDougle was hurt and they had truck drivers and roofers coming in to get snaps. In 2004 it was Burgess who was hurt again for several weeks. In 2005 they counted on ND Kalu after McDougle was shot.

Now they not only have a solid starting RDE to help The Freak, but they have a solid pass rusher as the 3rd end. The Kearse-Howard-Cole trio will be very good.

They signed Jabar Gaffney. He is better than Greg Lewis right off the bat. Reggie Brown is going to be better and that gives them a soon-to-be stud (Brown) and a solid guy in Gaffney. Luxury wasn't the right word to use, maybe I should've said getting another WR would be a dream right now. Because if anyone expects them to get Moulds or Walker then you'll likely be disappointed. I would love to have either one. But I just don't see it happening unfortunately. So we go back to the days of spread it around without a guy like TO here. And the way I see it, they have a better WR corps now than they did in 2001-2003.

Backup TE was a big hole last year. Stephen Spach sucked balls. McNabb has always liked to use a second TE. Thomason played second fiddle to Lewis back in the day and Lewis played behind Smith in 2003 and 2004. Last year he did not have that option because Spach sucked. Now we have a solid #2 TE to play behind Smith. And as frustrating as LJ is when he carries the ball, he was on pace to have a great year last year until Donny got hurt.

Backup QB's were atrocious in 2005. Mike McMahon played the position like a speed freak. Koy's arm strength is comparable to a 10 year old childs. Now we have Garcia. And they'll likely draft a guy like Kellen Clemens or Bruce Gradkowski. The #2 and #3 spots will be vastly improved.

Runyan is re-signed. No big time OL shuffling.

Shawn Barber might have artificial knees but even if his knees looked like Hank Hill's daddy's on King of the Hill he would be better than Keith Adams. So not only does he solidify the WIL spot but he will help on nickle defense. That was a big problem last year because Ike was gone. Trot had to play a lot more and he was taken advantage of in coverage.

So we have improved the RDE, WIL LB, backup QB, backup TE, #2 WR and kept our RT.

That translates into a B+ in my eyes.

Sign a SAM and it becomes an A-

Acquire Walker or Moulds and sign a SAM and it becomes an A.

Acquire Walker or Moulds, sign a SAM and draft Brodrick Bunkley and we've got ourselves an A+.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 25, 2006, 02:13:01 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 25, 2006, 02:08:58 AM
Acquire Walker or Moulds, sign a SAM and draft Brodrick Bunkley and we've got ourselves an A+.

Well, I agree with you, assuming the SAM signed is actually better than Dahahahahani.

I think those would all be big moves, though, which is why they're still at a C in my book.  This off-season has thus far met my expectations almost exactly and exceeded my expectations by precisely zero.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Don Ho on March 25, 2006, 02:23:28 AM
B - everything DC said especially the Barber signing ???.  Very confused on that one.  The FO better know something we don't.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 25, 2006, 11:17:23 AM
garcia and schobel while by themselves are very good signings...i gave them both A's...do not help the team that much...they are back-ups...good ones yes but backups...which is why the overall team grade in FA may not match the individual players grads...

as for the DT position how bad has the team bungled it in that they took a DT #1 last year and its still their number one weakness on the team
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Drunkmasterflex on March 25, 2006, 01:40:30 PM
I had them as a C- now I have them as a C+ this move helps because it as I have said before it gives them more flexibility in the draft.  If they are able to pick up a DT or some sort of offensive playmaker via the first round I think their grade moves to a solid B or B+.  They still are in dire need of a SAM imo.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 28, 2006, 08:00:46 PM
After 4353 votes on PhiladelphiaEagles.com offering 4 choices (A, B, C, & D) for how the Eagles have done, the fan average rating is 79.8% (assuming an A is 95%, a B is 85%, and so forth).

After 48 votes on this poll offering more choices (assuming _8% for a + grade, _5% for a regular grade, and _1% for a minus grade), the average rating is 80.4%.

The difference between the two is not significant when taking into account the sample size, so the posters on this board are no more "homertastic" or "negadelphic" than the average Eagle fan.

You're welcome for the info.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Rome on March 28, 2006, 08:33:09 PM
 :-D

Post of the Homertastic Era!
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 28, 2006, 10:57:37 PM
"Negadelphian" is a "word" that makes me want to dropkick children into traffic.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Diomedes on March 28, 2006, 11:11:45 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 28, 2006, 10:57:37 PM
"Negadelphian" is a "word" that makes me want to dropkick children into traffic.

You'll be happy to know that your constant commentary inpires the same impulse in most everyone upon whom it is inflicted.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 29, 2006, 12:20:29 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on March 28, 2006, 11:11:45 PM
You'll be happy to know that your constant commentary inpires the same impulse in most everyone upon whom it is inflicted.

Would you like a tissue to cry about it? It's not my fault you jackasses find it to be the height of wit and hilarity to 'coin' a word like that. Do you also find McHeart-throb, Cowgirls, Meshawn and Deadskins to be funny? Perhaps you could all just come up with your own semi-insulting and not-the-slightest-bit-interesting-or-original way of describing everything. That would be awesome. Or, you know, terribly painful and homicidally "inpiring".
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Munson on March 29, 2006, 01:14:26 AM
They should've resigned Simon. He made all the DT's around him better. I thought Walker might be okay wtihout him, but I knew he wouldn't be nearly as good without Simon eating the double teams.

"The myth about Corey Simon's greatness..." :boom
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on March 29, 2006, 03:42:01 AM
Let it go, Munson. ;)

He sucked. I defended him up until that 2004 season when he went from being a solid pocket collapsing DT to being a lazy ass bum who can't stay on the field for 3 plays at a time. Good riddance to him and his $40M contract.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 29, 2006, 07:50:20 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 28, 2006, 10:57:37 PM
"Negadelphian" is a "word" that makes me want to dropkick children into traffic.

Quick... name something you see or hear that doesn't make you want to dropkick children.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 29, 2006, 08:30:11 AM
Pints of Guinness. Strippers. Football's opening weekend. Tailgates. Steak. Bacon. Hot women. Good movies. Bad movies that are awesome anyway. Miller Lite. Marijuana. Paychecks. Poker. Midgets. Dwarves. Monkeys. The I formation. Ice Grilling Me. Etc.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 29, 2006, 08:36:11 AM
really really gay

especially "bad movies that are awesome anyway"

i bet you like shemaghs two week old beards cocaine asymetrical haircuts and rock ironic t-shirts and tight jeans
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 29, 2006, 08:56:59 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 29, 2006, 12:20:29 AM
Perhaps you could all just come up with your own semi-insulting and not-the-slightest-bit-interesting-or-original way of describing everything.

RJasS?
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 29, 2006, 09:11:54 AM
Shemaghs?
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 29, 2006, 09:12:26 AM
precisely
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Rome on March 29, 2006, 09:14:31 AM
WTF is a rock ironic t-shirt?

Also - who doesn't like cocaine??
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 29, 2006, 10:36:08 AM
I wouldn't know if I like cocaine or not.  Does that mean I like it by default?
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 29, 2006, 10:43:59 AM
my eyes rolled back into my head and my mouth started foaming, i think that means i really, really liked it
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: ice grillin you on March 29, 2006, 10:49:49 AM
psa to all....

dont do coke.....those long deep conversations....theyre not deep theyre just long.......its not glamorous or cool or badass and youre not special for doing it...also youre not special for not doing it....many people much better and worse than you have been getting high for years....its not good for anyone and no one can "handle" it no matter what they think of themselves.....if you dont think youre depressed just stop doing it and see if youre happier....if you dont think its hurting you mentally....think about how its eating away at the lining of your heart and the inside of your nose....take a trip to 5th and lehigh in the 8:00am  hour and just the look of the kids walking around with their pale faces and red lips...in white t-shirts dirty from a night spent awake and it will make you sad and sick to your stomach.....you never want to and never will feel that way again...youll also probably never feel as good as you could have if you never did drugs in the first place.....if you do it please try to stop and if you dont then dont ever ever start.....you dont want your friends to have to remember you....

thank you
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on March 29, 2006, 11:00:33 AM
Even when I was in my experimental and retarded college days, I wouldn't even consider coke.

So, don't worry about me, IGY.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: SunMo on March 29, 2006, 11:03:23 AM
i'm just happy no one did a coke/pepsi joke, well done people, well done.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: rjs246 on March 29, 2006, 11:31:09 AM
That diatribe makes me want to do blow by the fistful.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: Wingspan on March 29, 2006, 11:54:33 AM
i like doing coke with chopsticks, but only if i can get them both at a store with automatic checkout lanes.
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on April 06, 2006, 05:44:12 PM
I had them at a "C" before the Ed Jasper signing.

But now, I'm going to go ahead and give them a "C".
Title: Re: Grade FA after Runyan signing
Post by: MDS on April 06, 2006, 08:02:29 PM
Quote12) Who is your pick to win the NFC East?


41.4% Dallas

25.9% N.Y. Giants

22.4% Washington

10.4% Philadelphia

good