OK, here's something I have to get off my chest. I'm absolutely sick of the spin doctoring of the Eagles, as they talk about filling needs in the draft. Look at last year, for instance. The Eagles got a lot of quality players in the draft, but they still stunk it up, because as they relied on those players more and more, they "hit the wall" and didn't do much. Herremans got hurt after only a couple of games as a starter, Cole had a handful of sacks in November and was basically a non-factor in December, and my boy Patterson really lost the push he was getting. All of these guys should be solid players this year, but they didn't make the difference between winning or losing during their rookie season. Shawn Andrews was the last player to get a starting spot given to him as a rookie, and we all know how that turned out.
So, I see an Eagles team that had a lot of injuries in 2005, but they also learned some things about the guys who did play. Here are things the Eagles absolutely know:
--Artis Hicks is not a starter. His versatility is his strength, but he is below average.
--Hank Fraley and Jamaal Jackson combined might make an adequate Center. But they both have severe drawbacks taken one at a time- Fraley's lack of power and Jackson's sloppiness.
--Shawn Andrews will probably never be an OT
--Reggie Brown is a talent, but unproven. Greg Lewis is a 4th receiver on most good teams.
--Josh Parry stinks
--Dhani Jones stinks
--Hollis Thomas is done. Rayburn is a 4th DT at best. Darwin Walker is probably not of starter-quality.
Our response on these things from their mouthpiece?
QuoteMy list of Eagles needs still to be addressed in free agency and/or the draft, in no particular order: Defensive tackle, linebacker, wide receiver, offensive line.
That says to me that they don't care about the fullback position, which we knew. They don't see any need for a bigger running back, also. They think a 1st or 2nd round DT will be just fine. They're OK with Dhani farging Jones as a starter on this defense. And, they're OK with Todd farging Pinkston as a starter on offense? And the OL? Donovan can kiss their ass. No reason to make it better than last year. And I'm assuming Runyan gets re-signed here.
I think the front office has done more right than wrong, but as good quality starting players fall off the board and go to other teams, I have no choice but to question their actual desire to win the Super Bowl. Asses.
Did you just use "!=" in the title of a thread? You just won the award for biggest nerd of all time. I'm dumbfounded.
Perhaps you need to not listen to Dave.
:-D
their main problem is relying on to many if's....whether it be draft picks or UFA...yeah building a team by these means is a neat idea and sounds good but evaluating players is like hitting in baseball...a really low % of success is considered good...meaning you gotta go other routes...aka free agency
the eagles have way too many spots where you say IF this happens everything will be ok...IF this young guy can play IF this older guy can stay healthy and somehow rekindle what he was three years ago
this goes back to the god complex that andy has...that he can turn water into wine...for example its a game to him to see how many UFA he can turn into players...again neat concept but being a player for a UFA mean making the team...not helping it...getting a shawn barber for cheap is nice for the team but what IF he blows out his knee again...or what IF he just isnt very good anymore...that kind of thinking doesnt even enter andys mind..to him its IF we sign him he automatically will be fine
at some point they need to go out and get younger real proven nfl players on the team...even if it means overpaying...theres no reason they shouldnt have runyan...randel el...howard...and a lb (witherspoon or someone like david thornton) in the fold right now...then later on add a garcia barber or schobel...
they do it the opposite way
ive mentioned this before that a lot has to do with their position in the league right now...to me last year was an abberation and entering this offseason they had as good a chance of going to the superbowl as anyone in the nfc...you have arguably the best qb the franchise has ever had but he isnt one that can win a title on his own...hes shown he either needs a really good defense or really good weapons for him to excel (and even at that its questionable but thats another thread) so why not go guns blazing this offseason and get him that help...it was a really deep free agent market and they have a boatload of cash...there just is no excuse for what has happened thus far
IGY gettin' all philosophical and shtein...
So far, no one has said anything in this thread that hasn't been said a hundred times in the past week. Good show.
the problem is this is an institutional problem not a past week one
My post was fresh, yo...
Quote from: Diomedes on March 15, 2006, 08:51:14 AM
So far, no one has said anything in this thread that hasn't been said a hundred times in the past week. Good show.
same shtein. different thred title.
ha...i just continued this thread on wip....
So....if they go 12-4 this season, will any of this matter?
I'm certainly not a FO apologist. I think they are doing what they believe to win. IGY may be right that Reid has a god complex, but I've never met him. Watching everyone (even the typically reasonable ones like Phreak) meltdown after LeBentley went to Cleveland was baffling. 6 months ago everyone thought the FO was the bestest. Now, no general progression, just the bottom falling out, they outright suck. Which one is it? I'm just a lemming, so I need to know which bandwagon to get on.
My biggest gripe is that they can do BOTH this off-season and next off-season too:
1. If you are a team with severe salary cap limitations ala the Titans the last few years then building through the draft is your only option. You have to stockpile picks and make damn sure you hit on them.
2. If you are a team who has a poor draft position or very few picks & a healthy cap then you have to fill needs via FA and then use what picks you have for depth.
But the Eagles are in position to be #1 and #2.
They have an assload of picks and a bigger assload of money.
Go get some goddamn players to fill out the starting lineups and key positions and fill in with the draft picks! Then you draftees can work themselves into NFL players without being counted on solely. So when you FA's are older or their deals are up your picks are ready to go.
They have to do something. This is frustrating as hell. I don't want them to get stupid in FA by signing guys who aren't worth the money. You can be smart and improve and pay out to guys all at the same time.
David Givens = perfect example. The dude is 25 years old.
That is the type of player the Eagles generally go hard after. And he got a modest contract and a decent SB.
Remember when Justin McCareins was available from Tennessee? The Eagles wanted him badly but he went to the Jets. Why not even sniff at Givens? Stupid.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 09:00:45 AM
ha...i just continued this thread on wip....
You actually got on?
6 months ago everyone thought the FO was the bestest
they were wrong
reid lived off of ray rhodes players and top five draft picks for a few years...once he took over and started drafting things havent gone as well....lots of UFA and lots of draft failures (outside of the lito shelden westbrook year its been dismal) youre just starting to see the effect of that now
You actually got on?
yep
real good eagle talk this morning
i didn't think the fo was the bestest 6 months ago.
last year's offseason was brutal too....they lost a couple starters & didn't adequately replace them. they just plugged in their backups & hoped for the best.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 09:10:25 AM
You actually got on?
yep
real good eagle talk this morning
Shocking. Must be because Angelo is on vacation and Rhea has a muzzle on.
I was listening to 950 today for NCAA talk.
And last August everyone but IGY was claiming 13-3 and SB champs. Despite that off-season. Don't sell me that shtein. I'm not as Chicken Little as IGY, and claiming we lived off of Rhodes draft picks is laughable. And I believe our last draft will outshine 2002. But come on, the fluctuations with you people is driving me nuts. Somewhere between PG and IGY is reality. Wouldn't it be better to talk about that?
Thanks, Phreak, BTW. Glad to see you're back to level again. ;D
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
their main problem is relying on to many if's...
what professional sports team...hell throw in amateur as well...does not go into any season relying on "ifs"?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 15, 2006, 09:15:49 AM
Thanks, Phreak, BTW. Glad to see you're back to level again. ;D
I have had more emotional swings in the last week than some suicidal maniac. One day I'm cool with it...the next day I get pissed. I need to get piss drunk.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 15, 2006, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
their main problem is relying on to many if's...
what professional sports team...hell throw in amateur as well...does not go into any season relying on "ifs"?
The Yankees?
Maybe, but the Yankees cheat.
:-D
I'm not as Chicken Little as IGY, and claiming we lived off of Rhodes draft picks is laughable
look at the rosters of those teams...the defense which carried the team every year until the TO year was essentially ray rhodes defense
what professional sports team...hell throw in amateur as well...does not go into any season relying on "ifs"?
none....but the eagles IF ratio under reid is much higher than most good teams
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2006, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 15, 2006, 09:15:49 AM
Thanks, Phreak, BTW. Glad to see you're back to level again. ;D
I have had more emotional swings in the last week than some suicidal maniac. One day I'm cool with it...the next day I get pissed. I need to get piss drunk.
Jay... I got fargin tuned up last night. A friend of mine called me up and said that she and her husband were going out for a "couple" of drinks last night and asked if I wanted to join them.
:P
We went to an Irish bar here in town. It's the kind of place where customers ring a bell and anyone seated at the bar when they ring it gets a free drink. They hand you ducats (little wooden chips) for each free drink. Anyway, I walked into the place with seven of them and when I got home last night, I emptied my pockets and counted out ten of them.
:-D
PS: Harp is the devil.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 09:23:20 AM
what professional sports team...hell throw in amateur as well...does not go into any season relying on "ifs"?
none....but the eagles IF ratio under reid is much higher than most good teams
link?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 09:27:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 15, 2006, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 15, 2006, 09:15:49 AM
Thanks, Phreak, BTW. Glad to see you're back to level again. ;D
I have had more emotional swings in the last week than some suicidal maniac. One day I'm cool with it...the next day I get pissed. I need to get piss drunk.
Jay... I got fargin tuned up last night. A friend of mine called me up and said that she and her husband were going out for a "couple" of drinks last night and asked if I wanted to join them.
:P
We went to an Irish bar here in town. It's the kind of place where customers ring a bell and anyone seated at the bar when they ring it gets a free drink. They hand you ducats (little wooden chips) for each free drink. Anyway, I walked into the place with seven of them and when I got home last night, I emptied my pockets and counted out ten of them.
:-D
PS: Harp is the devil.
Free drinks always taste better :yay
I am thinking about taking off of work on Thursday and Friday and doing not a goddamn thing and sitting here and drinking a case of beer and watching basketball. Good time.
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I am thinking about taking off of work on Thursday and Friday and doing not a goddamn thing and sitting here and drinking a case of beer and watching basketball. Good time.
Why take off? Drink at work, I'll swing by and wake you up if necessary.
Quote from: Whada_F on March 15, 2006, 09:38:36 AM
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I am thinking about taking off of work on Thursday and Friday and doing not a goddamn thing and sitting here and drinking a case of beer and watching basketball. Good time.
Why take off? Drink at work, I'll swing by and wake you up if necessary.
If I could get away with it...I would. :-D
Look, there are still moves that can be made before, or even after, the draft. Don't get me wrong. And the secrecy of the Eagles' front office could be misleading us that they aren't showing interest in some players that they possibly are. I guess my bottom line is that if a 6-10 season combined with a $17 million increase in the salary cap (from 2005 to 2006) is not enough reason for you to replace the parts of the starting lineup with better players, then there is a persistent stubbornness in the philosophy that needs to be cut out of the equation.
Hey, we'll see what happens. I'm just saying that if the team goes into the season with Todd Pinkston or Greg Lewis starting at WR, they failed. If Dhani Jones is still starting at LB, they failed. If Donovan regularly has inadequate time to throw and/or the running game sucks ass...
Agreed, FF.
To be fair, though, they have improved two positions that were pretty woeful last year and have shored up the backup TE spot. If they're done in free agency, then they're kidding themselves. There are still players out there who could help the team immensely.
Hopefully they're not done, but if they are, some serious introspection on their parts is required.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 09:46:21 AM
Agreed, FF.
To be fair, though, they have improved two positions that were pretty woeful last year and have shored up the backup TE spot. If they're done in free agency, then they're kidding themselves. There are still players out there who could help the team immensely.
Hopefully they're not done, but if they are, some serious introspection on their parts is required.
Yep. That's all I'm saying...
(and this is assuming that they are signing a backup QB and Runyan also)
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 09:46:21 AM
Agreed, FF.
To be fair, though, they have improved two positions that were pretty woeful last year and have shored up the backup TE spot. If they're done in free agency, then they're kidding themselves. There are still players out there who could help the team immensely.
Hopefully they're not done, but if they are, some serious introspection on their parts is required.
Players out there in the FA market? Or waiting for the vets to be cut? I'd take the latter because there is nobody left worth spending decent money on...especially the kind of foolish loot that other teams have been paying these complimentary players....
offseason goals:
- upgrade d-line...howard helps but i'd like to see a dt added as well.
- upgrade lb's...i'm not sure replacing adams with barber is enough.
- upgrade o-line...re-signing runyan would prevent them from downgrading the o-line but no improvements have been made thus far.
- upgrade wr's ...to was released, as expected...still a position of need.
- find some real backup qb's...garcia visiting today?
- add a bigger rb...nadda.
We're now five days into free agency and there is still a shteinload of talent out there to be had.
Personally, I'm hoping the Eagles were simply letting the suckers overspend (which they clearly have, IMO) and then dive into the market. I agree with Hunt, although I think Howard was a terrific signing. In fact, if it's not too early, I'm going to go ahead and be his official sponsor for 2006.
:D
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offseason goals:
- upgrade d-line...howard helps but i'd like to see a dt added as well.
- upgrade lb's...i'm not sure replacing adams with barber is enough.
- upgrade o-line...re-signing runyan would prevent them from downgrading the o-line but no improvements have been made thus far.
- upgrade wr's ...to was released, as expected...still a position of need.
- find some real backup qb's...garcia visiting today?
- add a bigger rb...nadda.
I would add that getting a good backup TE was on my list, which they did, even if it wasn't a perfect fit.
There is still plenty of time, but when laid out in front of you like this, its hard to ignore the fact that not much has been done.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 10:04:20 AM
There is still plenty of time, but when laid out in front of you like this, its hard to ignore the fact that not much has been done.
it's easy to ignore that fact, just ask Rome
Quote from: hunt on March 15, 2006, 09:56:51 AM
offseason goals:
- upgrade d-line...howard helps but i'd like to see a dt added as well.
- upgrade lb's...i'm not sure replacing adams with barber is enough.
- upgrade o-line...re-signing runyan would prevent them from downgrading the o-line but no improvements have been made thus far.
- upgrade wr's ...to was released, as expected...still a position of need.
- find some real backup qb's...garcia visiting today?
- add a bigger rb...nadda.
"If the Eagles keep the status quo at the receiver position, they'd go into the season with Reggie Brown as the No. 1 target and either Todd Pinkston or Greg Lewis as the No. 2 guy. The other veteran receiver on the roster is Billy McMullen."
I mean, if you dont seriously fall out of your chair with laughter when you see Billy McMullen as the veteran reciever...how is he still on the team for the love of....
Stop saying 'for the love of...'
And learn to quote.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 08:19:53 AM
Did you just use "!=" in the title of a thread? You just won the award for biggest nerd of all time. I'm dumbfounded.
[computer geek] Would "<>" or "ne" have made it less geeky? [/geek]
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 15, 2006, 10:05:08 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 10:04:20 AM
There is still plenty of time, but when laid out in front of you like this, its hard to ignore the fact that not much has been done.
it's easy to ignore that fact, just ask Rome
Wow. I have a Sun Mo hanging from my testicles. How'd that happen? :paranoid
Anyway...
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LLDNEDAPIEDC/dhoward_470_060313.jpg)
:yay
As of right now I agree wholeheartedly with everything said in the initial post, here are the moves I'd like to see made.
- Sign Rocky Bernard. Dude is young, fits JJ's profile of a DT, and still has a tremendous upside
- Draft Bunkley. Bernard, Bunkley, Patterson, Rayburn/Walker is a young solid D-line. Problem solved at that spot for the next 3-4 seasons.
- Trade for Walker. This fills a need and also saves us from using an early draft pick.
- Re-sign Runyan. Draft a OT in the second and groom him while Runyan fills in.
That still leaves us with roughly $10-$12 million under the cap. Absolutely no reason why these moves can't be made. What do I see happening? Nothing, we'll maybe sign Garcia, the draft will come, then maybe we'll sign 1 decent player after June 1st and that will be that.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 10:04:20 AM
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offseason goals:
- upgrade d-line...howard helps but i'd like to see a dt added as well.
- upgrade lb's...i'm not sure replacing adams with barber is enough.
- upgrade o-line...re-signing runyan would prevent them from downgrading the o-line but no improvements have been made thus far.
- upgrade wr's ...to was released, as expected...still a position of need.
- find some real backup qb's...garcia visiting today?
- add a bigger rb...nadda.
I would add that getting a good backup TE was on my list, which they did, even if it wasn't a perfect fit.
yep...add backup te to the list. i missed that one.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 15, 2006, 09:41:26 AM
Hey, we'll see what happens. I'm just saying that if the team goes into the season with Todd Pinkston or Greg Lewis starting at WR, they failed. If Dhani Jones is still starting at LB, they failed. If Donovan regularly has inadequate time to throw and/or the running game sucks ass...
I completely agree too.
DT, LB & WR need(ed) to be addressed before the draft, as I get the impression that even the Eagles aren't happy with some of their players in those positions. I do not want to see them try & fill those needs
exclusively though the draft & pin your hopes on a guy who never played in the NFL before.
I have a hard time believing that there are not even any mid-level guys available that would be an improvement over what they have already. Sign them & if your draft picks beat them out, great, if not you didn't invest too much.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 10:06:53 AM
Stop saying 'for the love of...'
And learn to quote.
thanks Shakespeare, Ill be sure to do that...beat it.
Sure thing, Reese. I'm totally out of here.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:07:57 AM
Wow. I have a Sun Mo hanging from my testicles. How'd that happen? :paranoid
Anyway...
Yes, one defensive end should fix everything.
We're now five days into free agency and there is still a shteinload of talent out there to be had.
NO
Personally, I'm hoping the Eagles were simply letting the suckers overspend (which they clearly have, IMO) and then dive into the market
haha...those tricky eagles letting the other teams get the best players
shawn barber....garcia...schobel...could have been gotten (or like players) in june...the first five days of free agency is for the best players...i like the howard signing but its not nearly enough...outside of a trade for moulds or walker they are essentially done this offseason with getting any impact players
I feel genuinely sorry for some of you. :-D
You get yourselves into a tizzy over something you have absolutely no control over. None whatsoever.
Like I said earlier, there are still players out there who can help the team win. Just because Washington went nuts signing players to idiotic contracts, that doesn't mean all hope is lost. If you think it is, then you should seriously consider killing yourselves and that's not hype talking either.
Seriously. Kill. Yourselves.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:39:42 AM
You get yourselves into a tizzy over something you have absolutely no control over. None whatsoever.
so you don't get mad when the Eagles lose?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:39:42 AM
I feel genuinely sorry for some of you. :-D
You get yourselves into a tizzy over something you have absolutely no control over. None whatsoever.
Like I said earlier, there are still players out there who can help the team win. Just because Washington went nuts signing players to idiotic contracts, that doesn't mean all hope is lost. If you think it is, then you should seriously consider killing yourselves and that's not hype talking either.
Seriously. Kill. Yourselves.
id like to see them get Bernard and resign Runyan. I would that a Grade B Free Agency. In the 1st round of the draft you do whatever necessary to make sure you get Lendale White.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:39:42 AM
Just because Washington went nuts signing players to idiotic contracts, that doesn't mean all hope is lost. If you think it is, then you should seriously consider killing yourselves and that's not hype talking either.
1. This has nothing to do with what Washington did. I think their acquisitions of Lloyd and Archuleta, particularly, are questionable at best. I don't want our FO to be anything like Washington's, and I've never said as much.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:39:42 AM
Seriously. Kill. Yourselves.
2. You're not rjs. Stop trying to be.
Didn't you just say you agree that the Eagles have left a nice handful of needed spots as-yet unaddressed? You're flip-flopping more than a politician here. Do you agree with the current tact of the of Eagles front office, or not? Or do you just prefer to be non-committal, so you can claim you were right either way?
AHAHAHAHA. No way they take White. That would suggest they may run more. We know better.
romey can you tell me why randal el and lloyds contracts were idiotic in general and then tell me why they were any better or worse than howards
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 15, 2006, 10:48:08 AM
AHAHAHAHA. No way they take White. That would suggest they may run more. We know better.
you think that Buckhalter can actually be effective again? Or maybe you think the guy from GWHS can be our #2 back, NOT! We need to get real and start killing the clock with some runs in the middle of the field and actually make yards at the same time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 10:49:29 AM
romey can you tell me why randal el and lloyds contracts were idiotic in general and then tell me why they were any better or worse than howards
Randle El's contract was not that outrageous, given the new CBA, the lack of WR's on the open market, and the high-profile big plays he made during his former team's run to the Super Bowl.
Lloyd's contract was ridiculous if the guaranteed money is anything close to reported, because he's not that good.
Howard's contract is very reasonable and is more like a 3-year deal. He's due roster bonuses in the final 3 years of the deal, which were included in the $10.5m number being thrown around and which he will never see. Of course, the same could be true for Lloyd's deal, but while Howard has been excellent in the NFL, Lloyd has only potential.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 15, 2006, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:39:42 AM
You get yourselves into a tizzy over something you have absolutely no control over. None whatsoever.
so you don't get mad when the Eagles lose?
* Sighs *
Of course I do. The difference is, I don't get suicidal over it like some other people. Some of the posts in this forum are downright TATErrific anymore and I mean that in the worst possible way.
It's March 15th. The season doesn't start for six months, yet some of you are reacting like the Eagles will do nothing to improve the roster between now and then. It's ridiculous, Mo.
I'm not suggesting they'll do nothing. I'm suggesting they won't do enough.
I don't disagree with your point that we need to run more. I disagree with you thinking Reid believes we need to run more. Buck's done, would be shocked if he's on the roster come September. But the backs, IMO, will be:
Westbrook
Moats
Mahe
Tapeh
maybe Perry.
Bon Appetit.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:58:39 AM
It's March 15th. The season doesn't start for six months, yet some of you are reacting like the Eagles will do nothing to improve the roster between now and then. It's ridiculous, Mo.
Enlighten me on how they're planning on spending the rest of the $30 million still under the cap.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 10:49:29 AM
romey can you tell me why randal el and lloyds contracts were idiotic in general and then tell me why they were any better or worse than howards
Randle El's contract was ridiculous because he's never proven to be anything more than a gimmick player. The taterskins paid him like a Pro Bowler. That's ridiculous, IMO.
Lloyd isn't even worth arguing about.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 15, 2006, 11:00:09 AM
Westbrook
Lendale White
Moats
Mahe
Tapeh
maybe Perry.
Bon Appetit.
hopefully.
Lloyd's contract was ridiculous if the guaranteed money is anything close to reported, because he's not that good.
but why does it matter how much a team pays for someone...you can say the lloyd aquisition is dumb cause tyler jacobs is better or it doesnt improve their wr's...but why do you care how much the taterskins or eagles pay someone
id much rather have lloyd on the eagles right now at his money than barber at his
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 10:49:29 AM
romey can you tell me why randal el and lloyds contracts were idiotic in general and then tell me why they were any better or worse than howards
all were foolish in monetary terms, only because the market was so high. There is a trend with the financially smarter teams if you cant see it (NE, Pitt, Seattle and Eagles), they wait till the bubble bursts then make their choice based on value. The players taken so far....way overvalued for what they have done so far. The Eagles had no choice with Howard due to the lack of talent at that position and their deep need. I mean lets be real.....he's 30 years old with knee problems...does that sound like Eagles philosophy to you? Lets just hope he has a career year this year...its possible in JJ's scheme.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 15, 2006, 11:01:36 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 10:58:39 AM
It's March 15th. The season doesn't start for six months, yet some of you are reacting like the Eagles will do nothing to improve the roster between now and then. It's ridiculous, Mo.
Enlighten me on how they're planning on spending the rest of the $30 million still under the cap.
I think they'll use a lot of that money re-upping their own players, SD. I also think they're not done signing free agents or acquiring other players (Moulds, Walker, whomever) yet.
Like I said, they're five days into the process. Personally, I don't think they're done but if they are, then I'd be just as disappointed as the rest of you appear to be.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 15, 2006, 09:41:26 AM
Look, there are still moves that can be made before, or even after, the draft. Don't get me wrong. And the secrecy of the Eagles' front office could be misleading us that they aren't showing interest in some players that they possibly are. I guess my bottom line is that if a 6-10 season combined with a $17 million increase in the salary cap (from 2005 to 2006) is not enough reason for you to replace the parts of the starting lineup with better players, then there is a persistent stubbornness in the philosophy that needs to be cut out of the equation.
Hey, we'll see what happens. I'm just saying that if the team goes into the season with Todd Pinkston or Greg Lewis starting at WR, they failed. If Dhani Jones is still starting at LB, they failed. If Donovan regularly has inadequate time to throw and/or the running game sucks ass...
Count me in too.
The one thing that's frustrating as hell is to hear that "There's just no one out there the Eagles like enough" as a reason that they're generally not active. That's complete bull. You can't tell me that there's no one out on the market that can play SAM better than Dhani Jones. You can't tell me that a WR like David Givens doesn't make the WR corps better than a guy like Greg Lewis does. You can't tell me that Rocky Bernard or Ryan Pickett aren't more effective DT's than Hollis Thomas or Paul Grasmanis.
No one's saying turn into the Skins and go buying your team year after year... but damn, you can't avoid FA like it's the plague. I love the Howard signing, but it's a good start... and there are other positions of need that shouldn't be put in the hands of a rookie on a team that's supposed to have Super Bowl aspirations.
i can't fathom how people love the fact that the eagles don't overpay for someone. if you want something bad enough, you overpay just to make sure you get it. thats how shtein works. whats the point of bragging about how much money they have when they don't use it.
and who are all of these great FAs that are still on the market? none. maybe because all of the "sucker" teams overpaid for the good ones. it's not really being a sucker to make sure you get someone who you really want.
I would pay $6 for a miller lite can right now.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 11:09:29 AM
I would pay $6 for a miller lite can right now.
I'd pay $10 for it and drink it right in front of you. Would I have overpaid? Probably... but you still won't have it and I'll enjoy the hell out of it.
Other than Bentley, name me one free agent the Eagles should have broken the bank for.
The only guy I wanted other than Bentley was Will Witherspoon yet even he got way more money than he should have.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't think that spending millions of dollars on players who don't merit it is stupid. It rarely, if ever, works out historically speaking. You simply can't buy yourself a Super Bowl win using free agency.
DAMN YOU!
Just to mess with you both, I went downstairs and got a can of Miller Lite out of my fridge.
Functional alcoholism owns.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 15, 2006, 11:11:07 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 11:09:29 AM
I would pay $6 for a miller lite can right now.
I'd pay $10 for it and drink it right in front of you. Would I have overpaid? Probably... but you still won't have it and I'll enjoy the hell out of it.
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:13:50 AM
Other than Bentley, name me one free agent the Eagles should have broken the bank for.
The point is that their 'bank' is so far away from 'broken' that they wouldn't have to.
Givens only got $8m in guarantees. The only reason, if I'm in the Eagles FO, that I don't match that deal is because I am absolutely certain I will acquire Javon Walker or Eric Moulds. So, we'll see.
Also, I would look at Julian Peterson or Arrington. I would look at Bernard or Pickett.
But it appears they're not. So, we'll see.
The point is none of us know what the Eagles are planning on doing with the money they have available, bro.
Speculating is fun but in the end that's all that we're doing here.
Well, other than Ed, of course. He knows everything. :boom
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:19:35 AM
The point is none of us know what the Eagles are planning on doing with the money they have available, bro.
No, we don't. But it sure smells like they're mostly going to sit on it, no?
I hope they prove me wrong. I REALLY, REALLY do.
Other than Bentley, name me one free agent the Eagles should have broken the bank for.
The only guy I wanted other than Bentley was Will Witherspoon yet even he got way more money than he should have.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't think that spending millions of dollars on players who don't merit it is stupid. It rarely, if ever, works out historically speaking. You simply can't buy yourself a Super Bowl win using free agency.
JESUS stop with the money stuff....are you that brainwashed
Your point's well taken IGY. But I still contend they thought no one out their was a superstar at a position of Eagles need. Therefore, no huge contracts. Right or wrong, that's how the FO works.
Why would they sit on it? They never have before. They've spent to the cap limit every year but last year.
Like I said earlier, I think a lot of the money they have is going to Eagles players whose contracts are coming up soon.
If the Eagles locked up LJ, Mike Lewis and others with that dough, I certainly wouldn't be pissed off. In fact, I'd prefer it over going after other teams' castoffs. And that's exactly what they are in the end. There's a reason a team like the Steelers didn't want Randle El. There's a reason a team like Seattle didn't want Rocky Bernard. Same goes for Carolina with Witherspoon. If they're so great, why did their teams kick them to the curb?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 15, 2006, 11:21:38 AM
JESUS stop with the money stuff....are you that brainwashed
Am I wrong? Name me a team who has won a Super Bowl by spending huge on free agents, IGY.
One will do.
Different points, Rome. No one won a SB buying FAs, that's true. Paying whatever to get someone that helps the team, even if some people think it's too much, is fine, as long as you avoid cap hell, like the Titans just went through, or Indy will be going through soon.
The team thought none of the guys out there were blockbusters at positions of need, Bentley included. It's their money, not ours.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:24:44 AM
There's a reason a team like the Steelers didn't want Randle El. There's a reason a team like Seattle didn't want Rocky Bernard. Same goes for Carolina with Witherspoon. If they're so great, why did their teams kick them to the curb?
wow, Howard Eskin says the same thing...
so theoretically, Jon Runyan must not be any good, because they Eagles were fine with letting him go. and if he comes back, they are taking another team's castoff, their own?
The Pats went out and traded for Dillon and gave him a nice contract. They also brought in some defensive players in prior years that vastly improved their team.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 15, 2006, 11:30:56 AM
The Pats went out and traded for Dillon and gave him a nice contract. They also brought in some defensive players in prior years that vastly improved their team.
they also won their 1st SB without Dillion.
in fact why ever sign a free agent...they all must SUCK
now undrafted players...those are the guys teams really want
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:19:35 AMWell, other than Ed, of course. He knows everything. :boom
:)
As for re-upping their own players, the only main FAs are Dawk and M-Lew, unless they get a decent year out of Barber again, and for 2007, L.J. and Walker are the only starters that are up (unless you count Tapeh and Jackson)...
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 15, 2006, 11:42:37 AM
for 2007, L.J. and Walker are the only starters that are up (unless you count Walker and Jackson)...
Huh?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 15, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:24:44 AM
There's a reason a team like the Steelers didn't want Randle El. There's a reason a team like Seattle didn't want Rocky Bernard. Same goes for Carolina with Witherspoon. If they're so great, why did their teams kick them to the curb?
wow, Howard Eskin says the same thing...
He does? That's nice. ;)
@ Ed... I think Dawkins gets a bump and I also think Lewis is going to get paid big time. If L.J. finally breaks out and has a Pro Bowl-type season like he's supposedly capable of, he'll be getting a big deal too.
I also think they're not done with free agency either, so that $30M figure that people are so fond of beating off to in here will shrink pretty quickly.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:47:59 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 15, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:24:44 AM
There's a reason a team like the Steelers didn't want Randle El. There's a reason a team like Seattle didn't want Rocky Bernard. Same goes for Carolina with Witherspoon. If they're so great, why did their teams kick them to the curb?
wow, Howard Eskin says the same thing...
just dont throw the ball to LJ near the goalline :-D
He does? That's nice. ;)
@ Ed... I think Dawkins gets a bump and I also think Lewis is going to get paid big time. If L.J. finally breaks out and has a Pro Bowl-type season like he's supposedly capable of, he'll be getting a big deal too.
I also think they're not done with free agency either, so that $30M figure that people are so fond of beating off to in here will shrink pretty quickly.
I'd personally pay him a grand if he'd learn to wrap the ball up when he runs.
I literally close my eyes whenever that farger gets into the open field.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 15, 2006, 11:51:30 AM
I'd personally pay him a grand if he'd learn to wrap the ball up when he runs.
I literally close my eyes whenever that farger gets into the open field.
hes fumbled the ball 3 farging times at or just before the goalline!
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 15, 2006, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 15, 2006, 11:42:37 AM
for 2007, L.J. and Walker are the only starters that are up (unless you count Walker and Jackson)...
Huh?
I meant Tapeh on the second one...doh
Right. The point is that the Eagles don't have a ton of important guys who need to be re-upped soon:
Mike Lewis
Dawkins
Hood
L.J. Smith
They could do all of that and still have plenty of maneuverability for free agency. PLENTY.
dawkins isnt getting re upped and if he does it will be at minimal money
m lew is 50/50 to return...this is a huge year for him obviously as he is on the gettin paid bubble
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 15, 2006, 12:01:50 PM
Right. The point is that the Eagles don't have a ton of important guys who need to be re-upped soon:
Mike Lewis
Dawkins
Hood
L.J. Smith
They could do all of that and still have plenty of maneuverability for free agency. PLENTY.
Hood gets paid before the November deadline if Lito sucks eggs again.
Hood gets paid regardless.
Hood should get a new deal, but I wouldn't blame him for trying to hit the open market. Tito and LJ shouldn't get a thing until after this season, and it had better be a good season for both of them.