Peter King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/03/13/mmqb/1.html)
QuoteThe discussion was going well, one owner told me, until Philadelphia's Jeff Lurie and Jacksonville's Wayne Weaver got into a spat, with Lurie saying, 'Don't worry, we'll make sure you lower-market teams never spend over 65 percent. Weaver responded, a bit hotly, that unless there was significantly more cash shared, at least half the teams in the league would be losing money by the end of this new contract.
Don't want to lose money, Wayne? Market your team and make some money.
Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2006/03/12/behind_nfls_deal_a_driving_force/)
QuoteAt one point during the often contentious negotiations, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones mockingly offered to buy the naming rights to Paul Brown Stadium from the Bengals for $5 million ''because I can double that in about five minutes, Mike." Brown did not respond but the heat in the room was building"
QuoteThis argument over who deserved the money was punctuated when taterskins owner Daniel Snyder, who controls one of the league's richest teams, said he was ready to help any team in a bad circumstance but then turned toward Brown and said, ''But if someone has a publicly funded stadium they pay $1 a year for with no operating costs, I'm not helping that person."
Snyder then looked at Michael Bidwell, son of the Cardinals' longtime owner, and snapped, ''If you have a publicly funded stadium in a great market and charge $10 a game for season tickets in the upper deck, I'm sorry sir, I'm not going to help you
QuoteThe wealthiest teams had no interest in writing ''welfare checks" to profitable but indolent owners such as Arizona's Bill Bidwell or Cincinnati's Mike Brown. Frankly, they weren't at all happy to write one last year to Paul Allen, the cofounder of Microsoft and one of the richest men in America who also owns a low-revenue team, the Seattle Seahawks, that had just entered a new stadium and played in the Super Bowl.
We've found the cheapest owner ever, I think. A guy that helped grab the world buy the balls, and he can't get people to come see America's most popular sport? Unacceptable.
He looks like a serial killer when they show him standing by himself on the sidelines wearing a Seahawks hat. Creepy sumbitch.
However he does own the worlds biggest yacht...413 feet long!
(http://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/november03/0803_Octopus.jpg)
Quote from: General_Failure on March 14, 2006, 03:17:11 AM
QuoteThe wealthiest teams had no interest in writing ''welfare checks" to profitable but indolent owners such as Arizona's Bill Bidwill or Cincinnati's Mike Brown. Frankly, they weren't at all happy to write one last year to Paul Allen, the cofounder of Microsoft and one of the richest men in America who also owns a low-revenue team, the Seattle Seahawks, that had just entered a new stadium and played in the Super Bowl.
We've found the cheapest owner ever, I think. A guy that helped grab the world buy the balls, and he can't get people to come see America's most popular sport? Unacceptable.
They spend most of their money at Starbuck's up that way.
This list by Forbes has valuations for every NFL franchise. Franchise value, 1 yr change, Debt percentage, revenues and operating income are included. By selecting the name of the franchise you can view a more indepth report.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/30/Value_1.html
What I don't get is why the league doesn't mandate some kind of information sharing on how to best market NFL franchises. Helping the low-revenue guys learn how to pull their weight has to benefit the other owners.
On one hand I would agree. And you would think that the big money teams would readily assist them smaller teams because the more money they make the less the big boys have to shell out in revenue sharing. But then the question is: are the small market guys resting on their laurels and not really giving a shtein. They just eat up that revenue sharing and don't put it back into their team to help make money. The cliche goes - you gotta spend money to make money. And guys like Bill Bidwell don't spend to make.
But on the other...why would the NFL have to assist a guy or guys who own a multimillion dollar business have to help him out? If you're smart enough to get approved to own the team you should be smart enough to market the team.
lol @ these douchebags whining about money
this is good stuff tho...
At one point during the often contentious negotiations, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones mockingly offered to buy the naming rights to Paul Brown Stadium from the Bengals for $5 million ''because I can double that in about five minutes, Mike." Brown did not respond but the heat in the room was building"
stuck up rich white dudes crying about billions of dollars. im interested and i care.
I just think it's great that 3 guys representing teams that hate each other can come together and mock the owners of less-successful NFL franchises. Mad props to Lurie, Jones, and Snyder for representing!
Ha.
Mock being the key word. Jones' and Snyder's quotes are classic. And appropriate.
QuoteAt one point during the often contentious negotiations, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones mockingly offered to buy the naming rights to Paul Brown Stadium from the Bengals for $5 million ''because I can double that in about five minutes, Mike." Brown did not respond but the heat in the room was building"
:-D
I just think it's great that 3 guys representing teams that hate each other can come together and mock the owners of less-successful NFL franchises. Mad props to Lurie, Jones, and Snyder for representing!
Ha.
wouldnt be so funny if you were a season ticket holder to one of these teams...cause youd be the one getting laughed at
I'm trying to be one, but they haven't gotten to my name on the waiting list yet.
Wow. I guess a lot of people on this board are getting laughed at then.
i just hope they get this settled. i can't wait for free agency to begin, i just know the Eagles are gonna be real aggressive, i heard this center from New Orleans is a lock z!1!1!@!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 14, 2006, 08:35:56 AM
i just hope they get this settled. i can't wait for free agency to begin, i just know the Eagles are gonna be real aggressive, i heard this center from New Orleans is a lock z!1!1!@!
:-o :boo
Yeah, not one of Mo's better efforts...
no? my bad, i thought it was a clever little way of tying this whole weekend debacle into this thread. my apologies to everyone hurt by it.
Your apology is gladly not accepted until you go tell your boss/dad that his ass looks nice in those pants.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 14, 2006, 07:29:13 AM
On one hand I would agree. And you would think that the big money teams would readily assist them smaller teams because the more money they make the less the big boys have to shell out in revenue sharing. But then the question is: are the small market guys resting on their laurels and not really giving a shtein. They just eat up that revenue sharing and don't put it back into their team to help make money. The cliche goes - you gotta spend money to make money. And guys like Bill Bidwill don't spend to make.
I guess you're right. I keep thinking these guys aren't making a boatload because they don't know how. I didn't think that they are just lazy, self-serving fargs who just eat up all of their own profit. But if that's the case, then the rest of the NFL shouldn't subsidize their misbehavior.
QuoteBut on the other...why would the NFL have to assist a guy or guys who own a multimillion dollar business have to help him out? If you're smart enough to get approved to own the team you should be smart enough to market the team.
Kind of a circular argument. Once you are an NFL owner, you are part of the NFL. I guess that's what makes this part so entertaining, seeing all the mavericks and individualists having to get together for a greater cause than themselves.
From the "no shtein sherlock file..." obviously it's easier for a guy like Jeff Lurie to make money on the Eagles than it is for Wayne Weaver to make on the Jags. Trust me, I had season tickets with the Jags and they do work their asses off to sell the product, and for the most part, they're pretty successful.
The fact is, though, their market is tiny compared to Philly, Dallas & Washington, so Jerry Jones making snide comments about a small market like Cincinnati like he did makes him look like a jackass. If Jerry Jones or Danny Snyder were saddled with a market as small as Jacksonville, their ability to reap huge rewards from the populace would be severely restricted just like Wayne Weaver's is.
Weaver is a fricken billionaire and he didn't make his money from the Jaguars. He's an ultra-successful businessman but the market, stadium deal, television revenues, and ancillary revenue sources he has to draw from definitely prevents him from maximizing profit.
Well then... maybe the NFL should have put the expansion team in a bigger market, rather than create a situation where they know the franchise will have to beg for money from bigger-market teams.
Romey = Jags fan!1!!
they are his "other" favorite team
Rome, c'mon now. The Bengals could easily get 10-20 MM a year for naming rights on the stadium, Jones is absolutely right on there.
Snyder is too. If they pay $1 a year for the stadium, with no operating costs, no shtein they aren't going to make money off the stadium. But they also save bucketloads of cash from the operating costs.
There are ways to increase revenues, these guys aren't taking advantage of it and shouldn't be coddled. Sure, DC is a bigger market than Cincinnati, but you should maximize your revenue, and if it still isn't enough, move to LA.
maybe they are old school and dont wanna price out their fanbase....maybe they actually care about their fanbase
the nfl is not a free market...instead of brown having to lose his team or move it away from its home...why shouldnt snyder or jerry jones have to sell their team and go into the real business world
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 09:22:57 AM
....maybe they actually care about their fanbase
:-D
now THAT'S funny
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 14, 2006, 08:58:19 AM
Well then... maybe the NFL should have put the expansion team in a bigger market, rather than create a situation where they know the franchise will have to beg for money from bigger-market teams.
Exactly. I don't buy the "we're in a small market" whine. I'm sure there is a market-to-revenue ratio figured out somewhere. I understand that a smaller market will never compete with a huge market like NY or Philly in straight gross revenue, but I get the impression that many of these franchises don't even pull their proportional share.
Green Bay does alright and you can't get a smaller market then that. Jacksonville is a pretty big market by comparison I would think.
Jacksonville > Wisconsin
To this day I still can't get over the whole scenario in Phoenix with the Cardinals. My god you have a market that grows by leaps and bounds every year as people continue to flock there. Have you been to Phoenix recently? Place is huge. To have that team playing in a college stadium the last 20 years is a joke. The way the Bidwells run that organization not even a state of the art new stadium with it's retractable field will help. Couple more years of mediocrity and cheap seats and LA will finally have an NFL franchise again. Just keep Bidwell out of Orange County.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 14, 2006, 09:22:57 AMinstead of brown having to lose his team or move it away from its home...why shouldnt snyder or jerry jones have to sell their team and go into the real business world
Where do you think most of these owners got the money to buy these teams? It didn't exactly come from tips they earned while working as waiters.
yeah and thats even more reason they should realize the nfl is not the real business world...and it also shows that no matter how unfair any of these blowhards claim it to be there is no one giving up teams and getting out
Quote from: MDS on March 14, 2006, 08:07:20 AM
stuck up rich white dudes crying about billions of dollars. im interested and i care.
:-D