Just heard on ESPN Radio that the Eagles have offered a 3rd and Hollis Thomas for Javon Walker.
I'll update as I hear more. Stay tuned. I will kiss the sky if this sticks.
Reese
who on ESPN radio said it?
A third & Hollis?
Yeah, that'll get the job done.
Isn't this the same rumor that someone posted on here from the EMB last night?
Was it a caller who said this or an actual REPORT on Mike and Mike?
I doubt it came from the EMB. A site actually has to be up and running for idiotic rumors to eminate from it...
They will have to include a conditional pick in 2007 to get this deal done.
I've got Mike & Mike on and I didn't hear it. :paranoid
However I was out of the room for about 10 minutes...so maybe I just missed it?
There is nothing on the website.
I would say the Packers likely have very little interest in Hollis Thomas.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 13, 2006, 08:01:18 AM
I doubt it came from the EMB. A site actually has to be up and running for idiotic rumors to eminate from it...
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17338.100
That'd be too good to be true... so it probably is. Even if so... I'm sure the packers sent back an email that simply said, "Ha.".
you'd think walker would be worth more than a #3 & an aging dt...but then again, the vikes might not even be able to get a #2 for culpepper, so you never know.
Throw in a hanful of 4th rounders to sweeten the deal.
throw in Donovan McNabb for Brett Farve, then we can keep zTO ROTFLMAo !!!1!!111
I haven't banned you yet because ... ?
From Taz on PhilaPhans.com:
As always, take it for what its worth...
QuoteOk just got off the phone with a business associate who lives in Green Bay. So this is a rumor with NO LINK so take it for what it is. Apprently there is a rumor floating around that we have offered Hollis Thomas and our 3rd rounder this year for Javon Walker and the only holdup on the deal is the Eagles are talking to Walker about a contract extention.
It would be nice to see the Eagles pull something off for Walker. Not sure it will happen, but it's good to see them try...assuming they actually are.
Quote from: reese125 on March 13, 2006, 07:55:48 AM
Just heard on ESPN Radio that the Eagles have offered a 3rd and Hollis Thomas for Javon Walker.
I'll update as I hear more. Stay tuned. I will kiss the sky if this sticks.
Reese
(http://www.quotedb.com/images/authors/yogi_berra.jpg)
It's deja vu all over again!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 13, 2006, 09:06:04 AM
From Taz on PhilaPhans.com:
As always, take it for what its worth...
QuoteOk just got off the phone with a business associate who lives in Green Bay. So this is a rumor with NO LINK so take it for what it is. Apprently there is a rumor floating around that we have offered Hollis Thomas and our 3rd rounder this year for Javon Walker and the only holdup on the deal is the Eagles are talking to Walker about a contract extention.
Pfft...I hope this thread didn't start from that. That screams BS.
Nah, the original rumor started sometime over the night, I believe.
I don't believe it...but it would be sweet
HT will like it in GB. They love them some cars up there.......
Facial piercings on the other hand, not so popular in the midwest...
At the very least... I hope someone in the Eagles FO hears this rumor and says, "Hey, I never thought of that! Let's give it a shot!"... and they at least take a shot or two... or thirty at getting the deal actually made.
people don't do this to yourselves. Monday's are hard enough without this rumor being proved false too.
And what the hell else are we suppsed to do, smart guy? Work? Not bloody likely.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 13, 2006, 09:21:12 AM
Facial piercings on the other hand, not so popular in the midwest...
Ezmerelda from Milwaukee says, "You asume too much!"
(http://www.yorkshiresoul.org/mad%20facial%20piercings.jpg)
I know it's false after reading that "the only holdup is the Eagles talking to Walker about a contract extension".
You'd think a larger holdup would be the fact that Hollis is useless fodder at this point.
Little note from the Packers GM to Javon:
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2006/03/10/3/
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 13, 2006, 09:21:12 AM
Facial piercings on the other hand, not so popular in the midwest...
Ezmerelda from Milwaukee says, "You asume too much!"
(http://www.yorkshiresoul.org/mad%20facial%20piercings.jpg)
That's gotta be hell getting through an airport.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on March 13, 2006, 09:26:06 AM
Little note from the Packers GM to Javon:
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2006/03/10/3/
buzzkill.
Quote from: Zanshin on March 13, 2006, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 09:25:15 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 13, 2006, 09:21:12 AM
Facial piercings on the other hand, not so popular in the midwest...
Ezmerelda from Milwaukee says, "You asume too much!"
That's gotta be hell getting through an airport.
Nah... she probably takes them all out and her face proceeds to sag down to her gut.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on March 13, 2006, 09:26:06 AM
Little note from the Packers GM to Javon:
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2006/03/10/3/
buzzkill.
Why? Big whoop. Doesn't mean they're not entertaining trade offers for him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 09:35:32 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on March 13, 2006, 09:26:06 AM
Little note from the Packers GM to Javon:
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2006/03/10/3/
buzzkill.
Why? Big whoop. Doesn't mean they're not entertaining trade offers for him.
No.. I dind't mean it in the sense of the door for Walker being slammed shut, but in the sense that Sus came swooping in trying to ruin a pretty damn good Walker jizzfest we're getting started here.
Damn him.
(http://www.oddjack.com/walker_javon041015.jpg)
Let the jizzfest re-commence.
damn, all i have to say is damn if this goes through. and thats a good damn.
Well..now that it has made WIP it is going to blow up. And when it doesn't happen the people will act like GB was ready to do the deal but the Eagles just shtein the bed again.
I've had ESPN radio on now for about 4 hours and there hasn't been a mention of it yet.
sounds like total BS so far.
wait, the local media jumping on a rumor, spreading it to wip listeners, working them into a frenzy only to explode when it doesn't happen? that would never happen in philly.
Agreed MURP, but if the Eagles don't entertain the idea of trading for Walker, a player who if healthy can offer similar production to what TO gave, with a team that has proven to be a willing trade participant in the past, then everyone in the front office should be ritually sodomized with a nailgun.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 13, 2006, 10:41:56 AMthen everyone in the front office should be ritually sodomized with a nailgun.
i just bought one, let me know when i need to break it out for sodomy sake.
Well..now that it has made WIP it is going to blow up. And when it doesn't happen the people will act like GB was ready to do the deal but the Eagles just shtein the bed again.
it didnt exactly make wip...it was an individual caller calling up as if it was 100% true...im sure he just read it on the emb and called...but cuz and miss dismissed it with the quickness and it hasnt been mentioned since
Walker criticized management, is in the last year of a deal, and is coming off a huge injury, so his trade value is not as high as you'd think. I'd love to see us get Walker, I remember Reid was considering a trade up to acquirre him in the 2002 draft. Not saying this rumor has wings but it's always fun to speculate.
Oh, yeah, that 18 page thread on Bentley was a hoot. Everyone enjoyed that speculation.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 13, 2006, 11:10:19 AM
Oh, yeah, that 18 page thread on Bentley was a hoot. Everyone enjoyed that speculation.
By the way, has Bentley come to Philly yet? :paranoid
apparantly he IS at the NovaCare complex
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 13, 2006, 11:10:19 AM
Oh, yeah, that 18 page thread on Bentley was a hoot. Everyone enjoyed that speculation.
There was nothing else to talk about, at least that thread provided a temporary buzz. Somewhere in the back of everyone's mind they're thinking this is true. I just know it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2006, 11:17:35 AM
There was nothing else to talk about, at least that thread provided a temporary buzz.
It also provided a temporary sharp pain in the back of my eyes. I'm glad it's locked.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 13, 2006, 11:16:36 AM
apparantly he IS at the NovaCare complex
not another thread that includes the words "he IS at the NovaCare complex". the last one was bogus
Quote from: dis12 on March 13, 2006, 11:31:34 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 13, 2006, 11:16:36 AM
apparantly he IS at the NovaCare complex
not another thread that includes the words "he IS at the NovaCare complex". the last one was bogus
Geez, even
I got the sarcasm on that one, dis.
good times.
:-D :-D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2006, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 13, 2006, 11:10:19 AM
Oh, yeah, that 18 page thread on Bentley was a hoot. Everyone enjoyed that speculation.
There was nothing else to talk about, at least that thread provided a temporary buzz. Somewhere in the back of everyone's mind they're thinking this is true. I just know it.
Hoping? Hell yeah. Thinking? Wouldn't go that far.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2006, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 13, 2006, 11:10:19 AM
Oh, yeah, that 18 page thread on Bentley was a hoot. Everyone enjoyed that speculation.
There was nothing else to talk about, at least that thread provided a temporary buzz. Somewhere in the back of everyone's mind they're thinking this is true. I just know it.
Hoping? Hell yeah. Thinking? Wouldn't go that far.
I'm not even sure if hope is there. This is Philly, after all. :D
Quote from: Geowhizzer on March 13, 2006, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 13, 2006, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 13, 2006, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 13, 2006, 11:10:19 AM
Oh, yeah, that 18 page thread on Bentley was a hoot. Everyone enjoyed that speculation.
There was nothing else to talk about, at least that thread provided a temporary buzz. Somewhere in the back of everyone's mind they're thinking this is true. I just know it.
Hoping? Hell yeah. Thinking? Wouldn't go that far.
I'm not even sure if hope is there. This is Philly, after all. :D
You're right... more like begging and praying.
Joe Banner was just seen on an unmarked boat on lake erie with a canister of centox nerve gas
Quote from: Wingspan on March 13, 2006, 12:53:05 PM
Joe Banner was just seen on an unmarked boat on lake erie with a canister of centox nerve gas
Banner killed Edgar.
Throw in a Charms Blow Pop and we've got a deal.
Let's sign up for his fan club. Only $84! (http://www.javonwalker84.com/fanclub.aspx) :P
CheeseHead reaction....
http://www.packerforum.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4457
QuoteThe Eagles just signed DE Darren Howard (former Saint), which makes Hollis Thomas expendable. Decent player, plus a 3rd. Deep draft makes this a very tempting offer.
Wow.
Later in the thread, they get cocky and want either...
Walker, a 4th (like we need another one), and a 5th
for
our 2nd and 3rd rounders
or
Walker
for
Hood and a 2nd rounder
(http://i2.tinypic.com/rbe22v.jpg)
:-D
Love how they rip McNabb so badly.
Wonder how they felt in the 4th and 26 game with the duck their God threw up there for Dawkins?
Can we not get on the Favre/McNabb thing right now?
Until McNabb wins a Super Bowl, he loses this argument without a fight. Sure, he's the better QB now that Favre is near geriatric, but overall Favre's career is more impressive and will be no matter what Donovan does besides winning it all. Oh K? Terrific. Thanks for playing.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 08:58:32 PM
Later in the thread, they get cocky and want either...
Walker, a 4th (like we need another one), and a 5th
for
our 2nd and 3rd rounders
or
Walker
for
Hood and a 2nd rounder
They'll take Simoneau and McMullen and like it. 8)
But wait, I wanted to hear some people bitch and moan about Favre. Maybe they would have sarcastically referred to him as some sort of diety. Now we'll never know. You JACKASS!
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 09:02:03 PM
Can we not get on the Favre/McNabb thing right now?
Until McNabb wins a Super Bowl, he loses this argument without a fight. Sure, he's the better QB now that Favre is near geriatric, but overall Favre's career is more impressive and will be no matter what Donovan does besides winning it all. Oh K? Terrific. Thanks for playing.
That's all fine and dandy, FavreSuckler....but to rip McNabb NOW is preposterous...when in the same breath you hail Favre as a God now.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 13, 2006, 09:02:03 PM
Can we not get on the Favre/McNabb thing right now?
[continuation of the non-argument]
Good job, buddy.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 13, 2006, 09:03:40 PM
But wait, I wanted to hear some people bitch and moan about Favre. Maybe they would have sarcastically referred to him as some sort of diety. Now we'll never know. You JACKASS!
LORDJESUSGODFAVRESHUTUP.
did you know...
some national TV announcers, most noteably John Madden, seem to have a certain affinity for Brett Farve. interesting.
Preposterous!
i know, we should totally talk about it.
Can we? That would get my loins quivering but good.
dude, you didn't have to right to the ghey
dude, you didn't have to right to the ghey
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 13, 2006, 10:00:06 PM
dude, you didn't have to right to the ghey
Definitely a statement worthy of posting twice.
dude, you didn't have to right to the ghey
He's here all week, folks.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 13, 2006, 08:43:59 PM
Let's sign up for his fan club. Only $84! (http://www.javonwalker84.com/fanclub.aspx) :P
His sister is hot!
(http://www.javonwalker84.com/Images/Photos/11202004_11.jpg)
I'm fairly certain she could swallow my entire arm without opening her mouth all the way.
You'd love it.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 13, 2006, 08:43:59 PM
Let's sign up for his fan club. Only $84! (http://www.javonwalker84.com/fanclub.aspx) :P
That rehab must not be going well. He looks kind of gimpy in that animation at the top. Is that the famed frozen tundra he's walking on? It looks something like paving stones or flattened green cow pies.
Oh. $84 to join his fan club my posterior region. ::)
eskin just reported that gb 100% will trade walker...most likely on draft day....and that the eagles are very interested
as of now gb wants a third
And we pray :evil
for the sake of myself and my loved ones, i am refusing to acknowledge all rumors until they actually happen.
Yeah, i'm gonna go ahead and say no farging way this happens.
probably wont happen since there is only a 1/31 chance but its good to know that they fully intend on trading him and the price is right
fwiw he also said that walker was interested in the eagles
Until "God" tells him someone else will pay him more.....
If Eskin is saying this than I would have to say that it is not going to happen.
Eskin is like the possession arrow in college basketball. He'll get every other story.
His last story was the Eagles playing on opening day against Dallas, and he was wrong.
This is his latest story.
Let the 160 pg thread begin....
If Eskin is saying this than I would have to say that it is not going to happen.
hes not saying anything will happen
hes saying they will trade him and it will be right before or on draft day...and that the birds are interested...by no means is he saying it will happen...its up to the eagles to get it done now he said...he suggested two fourths one this year and one next
Supposedly he said that 6 teams are interested. hmm...
Philly
Denver
San Francisco
Jacksonville?
Atlanta?
Tampa Bay?
Kansas City?
How many of those teams have higher 3rd rounders than the Eagles? I don't feel like looking.
San Fran
god damn it! why!!
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 05, 2006, 05:45:58 PM
San Fran
So theoretically we have no chance. Good, now I don't have to entertain the possibility.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 05, 2006, 07:00:38 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 05, 2006, 05:45:58 PM
San Fran
They also have the Skins 3rd and 4th.
They have the Skins' 2007 4th. However, you're on the right track--Denver is the proud holder of the Skins' 2006 4th, as well as their 1st.
Can't wait til around draft day when we can finally get into serious talks about Walker.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 05, 2006, 08:10:02 PM
Can't wait til around draft day when we can finally get into serious talks about Walker.
Haven't you been around long enough to know that we don't talk about anything seriously.
Except dying. And beer. And barbecue.
Come now.
We don't talk about dying seriously. Unless you mean death by chopsticks....then, yes.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 05, 2006, 08:23:16 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 05, 2006, 08:10:02 PM
Can't wait til around draft day when we can finally get into serious talks about Walker.
Haven't you been around long enough to know that we don't talk about anything seriously.
Except dying. And beer. And barbecue.
And Jessica Alba's taco...
(http://www.cfox.com/shared/corus_content/cfoxfm/images/general_content/jessica-alba-0105-003.jpg)
This is from the Chris McPherson blog on the Eagles board take it for what it's worth
An Annoucement
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Sure, an annoucement is due Thursday regarding the NFL schedule, but something tells me that there might be something more noteworthy tomorrow. Hopefully, I'm right.
I'll bet he says the Eagles play Dallas on Christmas.
Quote from: Zanshin on April 05, 2006, 10:41:04 PM
Come now.
We don't talk about dying seriously. Unless you mean death by chopsticks....then, yes.
Or a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.
We don't take RJS talking about death seriously, though. He's all talk.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 06, 2006, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on April 05, 2006, 10:41:04 PM
Come now.
We don't talk about dying seriously. Unless you mean death by chopsticks....then, yes.
Or a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.
We don't take RJS talking about death seriously, though. He's all talk.
You've obviously never seen him rip a man's throat out with his bare hands. I have, it's not pretty.
Quote from: VET STADIUM TURF on April 06, 2006, 12:13:46 AM
This is from the Chris McPherson blog on the Eagles board take it for what it's worth
An Annoucement
Email this entry | Print this entry Today, 05:03 PM
Sure, an annoucement is due Thursday regarding the NFL schedule, but something tells me that there might be something more noteworthy tomorrow. Hopefully, I'm right.
Maybe the Eagles have worked out a contract extension with L.J. Smith or Dawkins.
It could be this----
from PE.com (Chris McPherson coincidentally--NOT)
Could veteran defensive tackle Ed Jasper return to where his career started?
Jasper, who was with the Eagles from 1997-98, is visiting the NovaCare Complex on Thursday to meet with coaches and team officials. He will meet the media later this afternoon and that press conference will be part of Eagles Live! at 3:30 p.m.
Jasper (6-2, 295) spent last season with the Oakland Raiders. He played in 12 games and recorded 24 tackles and a pair of sacks. Jasper spent most of his career with the Atlanta Falcons in their 3-4 defense. He was the starter at nost tackle against the Eagles in the 2004 NFC Championship.
The former sixth-round pick of the Eagles was a standout at Texas A&M. In his three seasons there, he posted 147 tackles and 11.5 sacks.
A 295 nose tackle? Uh, something ain't adding up there...
Quote from: rjs246 on April 06, 2006, 10:22:07 AM
A 295 nose tackle? Uh, something ain't adding up there...
Corey Simon, before he went Sta Puft on us, was 298.
Ed Jasper isn't exactly Corey Simon, dude.
But you know, this team needs another undersized pass rushing QB. Yay!
This was the big news McPhearson was talking about? Let me get my running shoes on so I can tell the neighbors :boo
Blame Banner!
Quote from: rjs246 on April 06, 2006, 10:25:59 AM
Ed Jasper isn't exactly Corey Simon, dude.
But you know, this team needs another undersized pass rushing QB. Yay!
We don't have enough DT's so we're using oversize QB's on the line? ;)
I don't think Jasper is being touted as the answer, just better depth that chronically hobbled Grasmanis or the lip-stud.
GCobb.com (http://www.gcobb.com/)
QuoteGCOBB APRIL 8, 2006
EAGLES INTEREST IN JAVON WALKER
Posted Apr 08, 2006 - 10:01 AM
The Philadelphia Eagles have informed the Green Bay Packers that they're interested in disgruntled wideout Javon Walker. Walker who had a great year in 2004 for the Packers when he caught passes for over 1300 yards and scored 12 touchdowns, let the Packer organization know that he doesn't want to play for them any longer because of the problems he's run into in pursuit of a lucrative long-term contract. The atmosphere is so bitter that the former Florida State Seminole has moved out of Green Bay to emphasize the fact that he doesn't want to put on the Packer uniform again. There are about six teams including the Eagles who are interested in acquiring the explosive young receiver who is supposed to back at full speed after an ACL tear a year ago. Walker missed nearly all of last season due to the knee injury. During the off season before last year's campaign, Walker who at the time, had the same agent as Terrell Owens, Drew Rosenhaus, was embroiled in a contract squabble with the Packers. You might remember that Brett Favre came out publicly against Walker during the same time that Terrell Owens was involved in a similar dispute with the Eagles.
What's important to note is that the Eagles have not only expressed interest in trading for Walker but they're also interested in signing him to a long term deal prior to making a trade. The Packers have let it be known around the league that they want to trade Walker and don't plan on starting out the year with him on the roster. Also the fact that Eagles Head Coach Andy Reid has close ties to the Packers could come in handy in acquiring the services of Walker. The Birds have three picks in the 4th round and probably would be willing to part with one of them for the formidable wideout.
The acquisition of Walker would ease the pressure on the Birds to get ahold of another playmaker to replace the departed Terrell Owens. The Eagles management has been under criticism for not being aggressive during this year's free agency period. They did pick up wideout Jabar Gaffney but he's look on as more of 3rd receiver and at best a solid number two. The Eagles don't have a number one receiver and it could mean a long year for Donovan McNabb and his offense. It's going to come down to how much the Eagles are willing to give up to bring Walker into the fold. They have three 4th round picks but I believe that another team in the league might be willing to part with a higher pick. We'll keep you posted as the negotiating continues.
If we somehow get Walker and draft Ngata my offseason grade will go from a C to a solid B+
If they could pick him up for a 4th round pick they need to get that done yesterday. It is still hard for me to imagine that this is going to happen, why would either team want to wait around. I would think Denver would be very interested in acquiring him as well with 2 first rounders they may be willing to give up a little more.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 09, 2006, 09:08:19 PM
If we somehow get Walker and draft Ngata my offseason grade will go from a C to a solid B+
That's it?
Just curious, but what would it take to get that bad boy up to an A?
Gaffney
Walker*
Schobel
Garcia
Howard
Jasper
Runyan
Barber
Ngata*
Those are some serious additions.
Arrington, Stephen Davis, David Boston, Kevin Johnson and Charles Woodson. :yay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2006, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 09, 2006, 09:08:19 PM
If we somehow get Walker and draft Ngata my offseason grade will go from a C to a solid B+
That's it?
Just curious, but what would it take to get that bad boy up to an A?
If we had signed Bentley it would have been moved up to an A-. LG/C was the most important position I wanted us to address on Offense. Howard was a good signing and re-signing Runyan was great but none of the other moves really pumps my nads.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 09, 2006, 10:09:44 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 09, 2006, 09:08:19 PM
If we somehow get Walker and draft Ngata my offseason grade will go from a C to a solid B+
That's it?
Just curious, but what would it take to get that bad boy up to an A?
Gaffney
Walker*
Schobel
Garcia
Howard
Jasper
Runyan
Barber
Ngata*
Those are some serious additions.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I would give them a solid A if iit ended up like that.
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 09, 2006, 10:43:46 PM
Arrington, Stephen Davis, David Boston, Kevin Johnson and Charles Woodson. :yay
Sounds good. Cut the checks, Jeff.
Gargano threw his two cents in on Sports Final, saying he thinks it'll happen as long as Green Bay wants to deal him...
We ain't getting walker.
Yes we are.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 10, 2006, 12:10:15 AM
Yes we are.
Blind homerism reigns supreme.
Oh, I should probably mention that Walker blew out his knee and won't make anyone forget about T.O. in 2006.
There is nothing I've seen to suggest that we won't get him.
It's not like there has been reports out there that we don't want him.
All indications are the Eagles are highly interested in Walker. He has as good of a chance coming here as he does going anywhere else.
I think everyone that thinks we won't get him are just trying to prevent themselves from getting disappointed.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 12:31:12 AM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 10, 2006, 12:10:15 AM
Yes we are.
Blind homerism reigns supreme.
Oh, I should probably mention that Walker blew out his knee and won't make anyone forget about T.O. in 2006.
There's only a small handful of receivers that would make us forget TO's production on the field.
Three that i can think of. Chad Johnson, Anquan Boldin and Marvin Harrison.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 10, 2006, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 12:31:12 AM
Oh, I should probably mention that Walker blew out his knee and won't make anyone forget about T.O. in 2006.
There's only a small handful of receivers that would make us forget TO's production on the field.
My point is that Walker was one of them pre-injury, and I don't think he will be in 2006.
All indications are the Eagles are highly interested in Walker. He has as good of a chance coming here as he does going anywhere else.
so did bentley and moulds
he can only end up on one team and if its not the eagles then who cares
everyone in here loves to try and prove themselves wrong--which is fine-- as do I sometimes. But to consistently believe the Eagles NEVER have a chance in obtaining good players is played out and ridiculous. Have some friggin faith. Just because we didnt get every "good" sought out receiver in FA, doesnt mean the Eagles were even highly considering them in the first place. Walker is the sought out receiver now for the Birds because his knowledge of the system, which IS the most important asset to Reid. Just relax...we'll make every "real" attempt to get him.
Cmon, fire away with the Eagles FO negativity now.
a positive philly sports fan? come on!
Walker at 60% > Greg Lewis at 100%
Walker at 20% > Greg Lewis at 100%
But something tells me that Walker would not be brought in to "come in and compete" with Greg Lewis.
We already have Billy Mac for that. Isn't the idea to get someone in who might see the field other than on special teams?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on April 10, 2006, 10:22:29 AM
We already have Billy Mac for that. Isn't the idea to get someone in who might see the field other than on special teams?
Bring in more special team players...pretty please. Ill take em
Walker would start with Reggie Brown, assuming he's at all healthy. Gaffney in the slot, Lewis and Pinkston battling to be the 4th receiver... or both stay and Billy Mac is toast. However, at this point, I think McMullen has more possibility to make a contribution down the line than does Lewis. And who knows if Pinkston's healthy.
Ugh. We'll see. I still think Walker's about a 5:1 longshot to become an Eagle at best.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 10:45:37 AM
Walker would start with Reggie Brown, assuming he's at all healthy. Gaffney in the slot, Lewis and Pinkston battling to be the 4th receiver... or both stay and Billy Mac is toast. However, at this point, I think McMullen has more possibility to make a contribution down the line than does Lewis. And who knows if Pinkston's healthy.
Ugh. We'll see. I still think Walker's about a 5:1 longshot to become an Eagle at best.
please explain based on?
I think Lewis has physical limitations. He will never be able to fight for the ball in traffic. He's not as "game" fast as he is timed off the field. I think he basically has no chance of ever being more than a 4th option. Billy, however, did actually take a step forward last year, despite the QB situation being very hairy. His numbers were far from staggering, but he made a couple of nice plays in traffic. He had 5 of his 18 catches for over 20 yards and 13 of 18 for first downs. He showed that he can use his hands once in a while, too.
I still think McMullen has a chance to create mismatches as a 3rd/4th option, where Lewis survives on work ethic alone.
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Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 10:58:10 AM
I think Lewis has physical limitations. He will never be able to fight for the ball in traffic. He's not as "game" fast as he is timed off the field. I think he basically has no chance of ever being more than a 4th option. Billy, however, did actually take a step forward last year, despite the QB situation being very hairy. His numbers were far from staggering, but he made a couple of nice plays in traffic. He had 5 of his 18 catches for over 20 yards and 13 of 18 for first downs. He showed that he can use his hands once in a while, too.
I still think McMullen has a chance to create mismatches as a 3rd/4th option, where Lewis survives on work ethic alone.
of course he has physical limitations, every small receiver is at a disadvantage with height...but the boy can catch the football and does have quick speed Patt. He gets behind defenders all the time, just failed to produce as a #1--which is a lot to ask of him IMO. Alot better than McMullen. McMullen's been given too many chances and will be flipping burgers at Sonic, while Lewis will thrive as a 3rd option IMO.
I love how we are discrediting Pinkston here...cracks me up. Watch him have a Probowl year ...haha.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 10:58:10 AM
I think Lewis has physical limitations. He will never be able to fight for the ball in traffic. He's not as "game" fast as he is timed off the field. I think he basically has no chance of ever being more than a 4th option. Billy, however, did actually take a step forward last year, despite the QB situation being very hairy. His numbers were far from staggering, but he made a couple of nice plays in traffic. He had 5 of his 18 catches for over 20 yards and 13 of 18 for first downs. He showed that he can use his hands once in a while, too.
I still think McMullen has a chance to create mismatches as a 3rd/4th option, where Lewis survives on work ethic alone.
i actually agree with this.
i would rather McMullen get one more shot, then to put anything on greg lewis.
if lewis isnt open by 5 yards, there's usually no way he makes the catch. meanwhile, mcmullen, in limited playing time, was actually using his body to make catches in traffic.
I'm not discrediting Pinkston. I think he's a much better player than Lewis, but also the same kind of player... a vertical threat who is not best-suited to making the tough catches across the middle. That said, a burst Achilles is a very severe injury, and I can't help but expect very little from him this year because of it.
The thing about McMullen is that he's not ever going to be a coach favorite. He's not a smart kid or a hard worker in between games... but what we saw from him last year is that he's capable of making some plays when he gets on the field. Frankly, I'd rather have a guy that plays hard and causes problems for the opposing team on Sunday/Monday than a guy who makes the coaches thrilled to have him on Tuesday through Saturday.
I think he's still a long-shot, yes. But the WR group is shaping up to be a much of finesse-type guys right now, and I think McMullen can possibly be the change-up from that if he stays on Andy's good side enough during camp this year.
Plus you can't teach big.....good thing, too, cause Billy's dumb as a rock.
actually he's not all that dumb (http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/394771)
QuoteAnalysis
Positives: Has a lean, muscular upper body frame with strong legs and very big hands... Gets a strong release off the line, using his size and power to defeat press coverage...Has good short area quickness and runs crisp intermediate routes...Shows above average ball concentration, tracking the ball into his hands well...Makes good body adjustments on the ball in tight coverage, combating the defenders with aggression to get to the pigskin in a crowd...Times his jumps perfectly and knows how to extend his hands to snatch the ball... Has natural hands, catching most passes that comes his way...Uses his leg drive to compensate for a lack of linear speed in his attempts to gain yardage after the catch...Is a physical blocker who will not hesitate to put his body on a defender...Shows adequate burst and acceleration on his vertical drive...Catches the ball away from his body and gets his eyes on the target quickly...Shows a good arm for the option pass.
Negatives: More of a long strider who lacks the linear speed to separate from defenders on deep routes...Poor route runner, who is generally used on slants and underneath patterns due to his lack of acceleration to elude defenders on deep patterns...More of a long strider who struggles to get to top speed...Relies more on his smooth stride rather than quickness, which could be a problem in the NFL (defenders are much quicker there)...Rarely runs away from the defenders heading upfield, but is effective using his strength to break arm tackles...Shows a little stiffness in his hips and needs to recognize movement in his routes...Strong blocker, but needs to sustain it longer, as he tries to lock out defenders in downfield blocking, but will disengage after the initial hit...Has trouble going deep, as he does not utilize double moves to prevent the defensive backs from trying to turn him (needs to push the cornerbacks off).
....
20/36 Wonderlic score.
Id hold onto him based on the negatives alone if I were Reid...hes got WCO written all over him
He outscored McNabb on the Wonderlic. Whoa.
QuotePackers | Driver says team should let J. Walker go
Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:19:35 -0700
Bob Wolfley, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers WR Donald Driver said the team should let Packers WR Javon Walker go, given the bad feelings Walker has about the organization. "Right now, Javon, what he's telling everyone is that he wants out," Driver told radio station WAUK-AM (1510) Thursday morning, April 13. "I would love to have him he knows I love him dearly. But if he wants out, the best thing to do is just let him go. Go where he's going to go; somewhere else and be happy."
Ted Thompson... LISTEN TO DONALD DRIVER!
Our luck, they let him go right to the taterskins.
I would rather it be by trade. There is dick on the open market at WR. If he gets released, the Birds "won't get into a bidding war...."
:'(
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 14, 2006, 11:53:52 AM
I would rather it be by trade. There is dick on the open market at WR. If he gets released, the Birds "won't get into a bidding war...."
I'm so tired of hearing that. Bunch of bitches. :boom
the Birds "won't get into a bidding war...."
because we never offer alot of money for a "truly desired" player...please.
I think the Eagles like Walker a ton and would be much more likely to get him if they could give him a physical and not have to give up a precious draft pick. They would have to give him big-time dollars either way.
Times like these is when its nice to have a coach with a connection.
Quote from: hbionic on April 14, 2006, 12:18:27 PM
Times like these is when its nice to have a coach with a connection.
Yeah, if only Andy had some kind of history with the Packers...
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 14, 2006, 12:10:59 PM
I think the Eagles like Walker a ton and would be much more likely to get him if they could give him a physical and not have to give up a precious draft pick. They would have to give him big-time dollars either way.
I agree. There is an obvious interest in Walker and the Eagles have shown that they will shell out the money for a player they really want. Also, considering that Walker has all the qualities Andy looks for in an aquisition...
[li]Youth[/li]
[li]WCO and/or Eagles experience[/li]
[li]Coming straight off an injury[/li]
... I don't think AR would hesitate to go after him pretty tough.
All indications are that Walker will be wearing a different jersey come draft day, so looks like we'll find out in 2 weeks time whether he'll be an Eagle or not.
I believe indication hard-ons are appropriate at this time...for everyone! :D 'Cept PG.
Gross.
Chuggie, stop letting your sick little fantasies leak onto the MB.
QuoteEagles | Team could be interested in J. Walker
Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:23:03 -0700
Bill Williamson, of the Denver Post, reports there is speculation in Green Bay the Green Bay Packers will grant WR Javon Walker his wish and deal him. If Walker is traded, is it likely to happen draft week or during the NFL Draft. It appears the Denver Broncos, Philadelphia Eagles and San Francisco 49ers could be the front-runners for Walker. Green Bay has maintained it expects Walker to stay. But if a good enough offer comes along, including a draft pick, it might be tempting for the Packers to rid themselves of the distraction Walker is sure to create.
I would think that the Packers would want to deal him out of the conference making Denver the front runner. FWIW John Clayton said yesterday it is unlikely that the Packers deal Walker because they want to make a stand.
That'll be nice. A receiver that doesn't want to be there and a quarterback that hasn't made up his mind yet if he wants to play or not.
Quote from: NGM on April 16, 2006, 06:40:25 PM
I would think that the Packers would want to deal him out of the conference making Denver the front runner. FWIW John Clayton said yesterday it is unlikely that the Packers deal Walker because they want to make a stand.
You can make a case for any of them to be considered frontrunners for Walker.
- The Broncos because they're in the AFC.
- The Niners because they have the earliest selection in any given round.
- The Eagles because of Andy's ties to the Packers and a history of being trade partners with them.
Not to mention 2 years ago... Clayton was on ESPN saying that there was 0% chance the Eagles would get T.O. out of Baltimore. Looking back... might have been kinda nice if he was right on that one.
Anyway... point is, no one knows who the hell the frontrunner for him is. About the only thing that seems somewhat concrete is that Walker is on his way out of GB.
QuoteNot to mention 2 years ago... Clayton was on ESPN saying that there was 0% chance the Eagles would get T.O. out of Baltimore. Looking back... might have been kinda nice if he was right on that one.
That was the reason for extra-special FWIW. I was just reporting what I heard. I'm really trying to not think about it because I don't want to get too excited nor do I want to be overly negative.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 16, 2006, 06:45:31 PM
That'll be nice. A receiver that doesn't want to be there and a quarterback that hasn't made up his mind yet if he wants to play or not.
That smells an awful lot like the 2005 Eagles, so it's got quite the putrid stench.
I was listening to NFL Radio on Sirius for the last 2 days on my trip back down here to Texas and they talked about this a little. Solomon Wilcotts was saying that Denver was the front runner because they have 2 first rounders. I can't imagine anyone giving a first for a receiver coming off that kind of injury.
That dude always seems to have it in for the Eagles and I could never understand why, then I heard him talk about his days in Pittsburgh then I understood.
I can't imagine anyone giving a first for a receiver coming off that kind of injury
they used a third rounder on clarett
Eskin on Sports Final (FWIW as always): Walker wants to play here and the Eagles will offer the most in a draft pick package IF they can agree to a contract extension...
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2006, 11:29:51 PM
I can't imagine anyone giving a first for a receiver coming off that kind of injury
they used a third rounder on clarett
true
Eskin said tonight that the Eagles would be willing to give up a good pick or picks if they can re-sign Walker to a long-term deal. If not then they probably won't be willing to.
why is signing walker to a long term deal a necessity.....the eagles are kings of the one year deal...especially when it comes to locking up players that comes with question marks....now all of a sudden with jdub its an issue...sounds like an out to me...
Because they are trading for him, not just signing for him. You don't want to give up a 3rd and a 4th(next year) which is what I think we'll ultimately offer, for a guy who will walk after one year.
He has one year left on his deal, and franchising him next year will only lead to the same issues as are in GB.
my point is that they will not wanna give up the necessary picks for him and will blame it on the fact that he wanted to much money and they couldnt come to a long term agreement
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 16, 2006, 11:29:51 PM
I can't imagine anyone giving a first for a receiver coming off that kind of injury
they used a third rounder on clarett
I give you that, but I doubt even Shanahan is dumb enough to give up a 1st round pick for a WR coming off a torn ACL.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2006, 12:56:09 AM
my point is that they will not wanna give up the necessary picks for him and will blame it on the fact that he wanted to much money and they couldnt come to a long term agreement
I think they'll be able to. Eagles seem to love Walker, so I doubt they'd lowball him.
One good thing we have going for us is that Walker is no longer represented by Rosenscum. But what does he think he's worth? That's the real question here. Does he realize his injury has dropped his value? Does he think he's worth a contract worthy of a top 5 receiver?
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 01:18:48 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 17, 2006, 12:56:09 AM
my point is that they will not wanna give up the necessary picks for him and will blame it on the fact that he wanted to much money and they couldnt come to a long term agreement
I think they'll be able to. Eagles seem to love Walker, so I doubt they'd lowball him.
I agree. When the Eagles are dealing with a top talent (ala Runyan, Kearse, TO), they'll come up pretty good money.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 17, 2006, 01:22:33 AM
One good thing we have going for us is that Walker is no longer represented by Rosenscum. But what does he think he's worth? That's the real question here. Does he realize his injury has dropped his value? Does he think he's worth a contract worthy of a top 5 receiver?
Nothing but a guess on my part, but something like 6 years 36 million. 10 million SB.
Nothing but a guess on my part, but something like 6 years 34 million. 10 million SB.
wow...im the farthest thing from a FO apologist and i wouldnt even come close to offering that...
Quote from: SD_Eagle on April 17, 2006, 01:22:33 AM
One good thing we have going for us is that Walker is no longer represented by Rosenscum. But what does he think he's worth? That's the real question here. Does he realize his injury has dropped his value? Does he think he's worth a contract worthy of a top 5 receiver?
In the end, I think he'll end up getting a pretty nice contract from whoever he signs with that will be somewhere up there anyway. Wayne signed what... 6/7 years, $39 million? I can definitely see him losing some money due to the injury, but I think he'll fall somewhere in the park of say 6/7 years, $30-35 million, $5-6 million SB. The difference is that the deal will have all sorts of injury clauses and LTBE's to ensure the team doesn't get screwed. I do think he understands that.
too lazy to look back, but did anyone ever post javon walker's career stats? do u sign a guy w/ one great year(unsure of this stat) who seems to have all the tools to being a premiere WR and who is young, but on the other hand he went through a nasty injury last year and some drama with the team. im all for it. i think walker is going to be a great WR. if we pick him up i will feel very confident about our chances at getting back to the offense we had 2 years ago. the thing that worries me about our FO is that he is really an unproven WR at this point, but has alot of potential. do they give him what he wants or do they offer him what they offer him and say take it or leave it. i'd say the later and i hope javon wants to win games and is not too money driven.
He had a very decent 2nd season with over 700 yards, 9 TD's, and a 17+ yard average per catch.
Walker's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302233)
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 17, 2006, 03:23:48 PM
He had a very decent 2nd season with over 700 yards, 9 TD's, and a 17+ yard average per catch.
Walker's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302233)
Exhibit A.
63 833yds 13.2 8 TDs
Exhibit B.
65 815yds 9TDs
Exhibit C.
60 798yds 7TDs
answers
A. 2001 James Thrash
B. 1998 Charles Johnson
C. 2002 Todd Pinkston
Yea, but none of those guys only started 3 games to get those numbers. Also, none of those guys followed that season with a 1400 yard/12TD season.
Exhibit D.
89 1382yds 12TDs
answer
D. 2004 Javon Walker
Exihibit X
2004 Green Bay Packers 12 Games started 89 catches 1382 yards 15.5 YPC 12 TD's
Now thats what a #1 WR looks like
Exhibit ACL:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Knee_diagram.png/300px-Knee_diagram.png)
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 17, 2006, 03:50:33 PM
Yea, but none of those guys only started 3 games to get those numbers. Also, none of those guys followed that season with a 1400 yard/12TD season.
true.
and i am not discounting walker at all. but if those numbers are a "very decent year" as fastfreddie states, then it should be looked at in perspective.
walkers injury should not be discounted...and he would be hard pressed to repeat his 2004 #'s this season.
which is probably why the eagles would want him to sign an extension before they traded for him.
I think the difference with Walker from the other guys in the exibits is that Walker had his coming out party in his third year. He stats progressively climbed where he boomed in his third year. Let's look at other top WR's first three years:
Terrel Owens:
YR Team Games Rec Yards TDs
1996 SF 16 35 520 4
1997 SF 16 60 936 8
1998 SF 16 67 1097 14
Randy Moss*:
YR Team Games Rec Yards TDs
1998 MIN 16 69 1313 17
1999 MIN 16 80 1413 11
2000 MIN 16 77 1437 15
Chad Johnson:
YR Team Games Rec Yards TDs
2001 CIN 12 28 329 1
2002 CIN 16 69 1166 5
2003 CIN 16 90 1355 10
Javon Walker:
YR Team Games Rec Yards TDs
2002 GNB 15 23 319 1
2003 GNB 16 41 716 9
2004 GNB 16 89 1382 12
*Moss is always going to be an exception.
Quote from: Wingspan on April 17, 2006, 03:58:01 PM
Quote from: Die-Hard on April 17, 2006, 03:50:33 PM
Yea, but none of those guys only started 3 games to get those numbers. Also, none of those guys followed that season with a 1400 yard/12TD season.
true.
and i am not discounting walker at all. but if those numbers are a "very decent year" as fastfreddie states, then it should be looked at in perspective.
Well, your perspective stinks. Both Thrash and Johnson were supposed #1 WR's at the time they put up those numbers. Pinkston was a starter opposite a player who always drew double coverage away from him.
Walker was a slot guy in his 2nd season. All I'm saying is that he showed a ton of promise in 2003 and followed that up in 2004 with a complete stud-like season. So, he's not a one-hit wonder, unless his ACL holds him back.
:yay on all the stats.
I'm pretty sure Moss has the best first 3 years as a WR than any in history.
Let's sign this farger already!
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 17, 2006, 06:52:40 PM
I'm pretty sure Moss has the best first 3 years as a WR than any in history.
One could argue that he has had down years ever since his rookie season. He'd be amazing if he wasn't such a pompous ass.
Great WR's are usually pompous asses. His problem is his only-occasional competitive edge.
and imitation QB he just had
Quote from: reese125 on April 18, 2006, 09:20:18 AM
and imitation QB he just had
An excellent point from Crackhead Yoda.
KFFL this morning:
Quote
Eagles | Team won't comment about J. Walker
Tue, 18 Apr 2006 05:38:21 -0700
Bob Grotz, of the Delaware County Times, reports the Philadelphia Eagles quietly wouldn't confirm or deny interest in Green Bay Packers WR Javon Walker. Earlier reports had the Eagles, San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos linked as potential trade partners for the Packers, if they decide to trade Walker. The Packers have said they aren't interested in giving Walker away amid a broadcast report that a couple of second round choices might appease the Packers. It's more likely the Packers would have to take a conditional pick or picks should they change their minds and unload Walker. The Eagles have made no secret of their intention of upgrading the wide receiver position after getting rid of temperamental superstar WR Terrell Owens.
An excellent point from Crackhead Yoda.
Indulge me please Phanin?
and Im gonna say...nobody feels enlightened with this rerun Walker news.
Cmon...your better than that guy ;)
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 18, 2006, 09:26:59 AM
The Eagles have made no secret of their intention of upgrading the wide receiver position after getting rid of temperamental superstar WR Terrell Owens.
When have the Eagles actually stated that?
for real...everything theyve done and said has actually been the opposite
Rich Hofmann buzzkill (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/14366334.htm)
QuoteRich Hofmann | Trade draft pick for Javon Walker? Ha!
BIRDS' HISTORY IN ANDY REID ERA SAYS THEY'LL FIND REASONS NOT TO DO IT
Terrell Owens.
Mark Simoneau.
Luther Broughton.
What could they possibly have in common?
Only this: They are the only three veteran players for whom the Eagles have been willing to trade a draft pick since Andy Reid became the team's head coach in 1999.
The reason this is worth talking about is because lots of people in town are asking lots of questions about Green Bay wide receiver Javon Walker, a significant talent coming off a significant knee injury, and a player with a contract problem who insists he will never play for the Packers again.
The Eagles' receiving corps, sans Owens, sans difference-maker, really does seem a little thin (and we're not just talking about Todd Pinkston, who has legs like arms). If they really do have an interest in Walker, as has been sporadically reported, it will take a trade to get him, and the trade almost certainly would require a draft choice - and not an insignificant draft choice, even when you factor in the knee thing.
And that's the point, about the Eagles and their philosophy. History says they aren't going to do it.
The Eagles have never traded away a really significant draft choice to get a player since Reid has been in charge. Owens was acquired for defensive end Brandon Whiting and a fifth-round pick, which later became a No. 5 and a No. 6 when Whiting couldn't play. The Simoneau deal saw the Eagles part with a fourth-rounder and a sixth-rounder. As for Broughton, it was a seventh-rounder in 1999.
Along the way, there are many instances when they have swapped draft picks for draft picks, moving and maneuvering to reposition themselves on draft day - but those are very different transactions, at least in the mind of the Eagles under this regime.
For this team, the draft is the mechanism by which they believe a successful franchise continually renews itself - and maximizing your options in the draft is organizational dogma. For the Eagles, draft choices are gold.
So, do you spend gold on Javon Walker?
The Eagles' answer will tell you plenty.
There are three ways the Eagles could end up doing this, three reasons why they might go against type. We'll take them one at a time - and then we'll knock them all down, too.
• First, they might do it if they think they're getting a steal. The Eagles, if nothing else, respect value in a deal. That much is obvious.
The problem is, there is almost no way for them to get a steal in this one. The Packers are in an interesting spot in their history - and we're not just talking about how the ridiculous and selfish Brett Favre is holding up the team by refusing to decide if he's coming back. The Packers are in a spot because of what they did in their recent past, which is let defensive back Mike McKenzie stamp his feet over a contract issue and talk his way into getting traded.
As an organization, the Packers cannot afford to allow another player to pull that kind of stunt. At this point, they have to pretty much be willing to let Walker rot rather than accede to his demands - unless somebody bowls them over with, oh, a first-round draft choice, which is an awful lot for a guy who had one great season and then blew out a knee, which means it wouldn't be a steal anymore for the Eagles.
• Second, the Eagles might do it because they're really scared about the talent level on the roster at wide receiver. That just makes sense - you see a need and you fill it.
The problem is, there is no way the Eagles are really scared about what they have at wideout. They might not be thrilled with a still-young Reggie Brown, along with Pinkston, newly acquired Jabar Gaffney and the rest of the fellas, but they're not scared. They've won a lot of games with less - although that was with more of a running game, and with a quarterback willing to run, too.
• Third, the Eagles might do it because there is something about this particular season that demands a trade of later for now. Whether it is a window-closing argument, or a determination to give quarterback Donovan McNabb every chance to succeed after such a frustrating 2005 season, you get the idea.
The problem with that argument is, there is no available evidence the Eagles think that way. There is no more demonstrated urgency about this upcoming season than about any recent season. You can't say the Eagles haven't made offseason moves, because they have. Their addressing of needs has been very methodical, and they have passed on expensive alternatives and stuck to their formula of insisting on value. Nothing has changed.
They do not look like a team that is ready to trade a significant draft pick for Javon Walker. If they do, it will be the biggest surprise of 2006 so far.
QuoteThe Simoneau deal saw the Eagles part with a fourth-rounder and a sixth-rounder.
Forgot about that one. That hurts. :boom
WE ARE NOT GETTING WALKER, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
WE ARE NOT GETTING WALKER, IT'S THAT SIMPLE.
shut em down shut em shut em down
I just find it amusing that his article title says, "Ha!"
I think he might read :CF on occasion.
Quoteonly three veteran players for whom the Eagles have been willing to trade a draft pick since Andy Reid became the team's head coach in 1999.
wonder how many players the average team has traded draft picks for in that same time period.
Quote from: MURP on April 19, 2006, 11:15:35 AM
wonder how many players the average team has traded draft picks for in that same time period.
The average is probably slightly higher than the Eagles. Maybe 4-5 guys.
It's also waaaaaaay lower than the skins, who've traded picks for probably 25 guys since then (including RFA's).
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 11:19:33 AM
The average is probably slightly higher than the Eagles. Maybe 4-5 guys.
is that backed up with any facts or just a FF guess?
It's a ridiculously uneducated guess.
Seriously, though, I'd have to assume the average is at least a little higher than the Eagles. Only trading draft picks for 3 players in a 7-year time frame just seems very low. I could be mistaken, for sure.
Get Facts!
Quote from: Sinner on April 19, 2006, 12:25:28 PM
Get Facts!
I might if I finish up some work. It would have to be one team at a time, I think.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 19, 2006, 12:41:09 PM
Link?
That's the problem. The Eagles transaction records on their official site go way back, but I don't know of a centralized site where I could find all the player swaps between teams. If someone could direct me to such a site, I would be very glad to scour it and do the research to come up with some numbers... average per team, standard deviation, all that crap.
If someone could direct me to such a site, I would be very glad to scour it and do the research to come up with some numbers... average per team, standard deviation, all that crap
even were i to know i wouldnt tell you
Thanks for the help. Well, KFFL only goes back to 2004 with their transaction logs, but I did find this gem:
QuoteRavens | Johnson Acquired in Trade
Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:38:35 -0700
ESPN.com reports the Baltimore Ravens have acquired WR Kevin Johnson from the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Ravens sent the Jaguars their fourth-round pick (No. 120 overall) in the 2004 NFL Draft.
QuoteMatt (Albuquerque): What are you hearing regarding Javon Walker? Any possibility that he is traded before the draft?
Chris Mortensen: (12:45 PM ET ) Same as you're hearing. There's some interest. But the Packers want equal value (first rounder) and Walker coming off ACL surgery might make somebody nervous. The Broncos might take a look depending on how things develop in the next 10 days.
FWIW
even if the Eagles were picking #32, they wouldn't give up a first rounder
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 12:06:49 PM
It's a ridiculously uneducated guess.
Seriously, though, I'd have to assume the average is at least a little higher than the Eagles. Only trading draft picks for 3 players in a 7-year time frame just seems very low. I could be mistaken, for sure.
Reid is indeed very selfish when it comes to trading picks for players. In this age of FA, I don't know of very many teams that have traded picks for a lot of players. However, if you dig into the Eagles' history a bit, back to 1973, you'd find a different story.
1973--Traded 1974 1st and 2nd choice and a 1975 1st and 3rd choice plus WR Harold Jackson to the Rams for QB Roman Gabriel and RB Terry Baker
1974--Traded a 1975 2nd rounder to Buffalo for DL Jerry Patton
Traded a 1975 4th rounder to NO for Richard Absher
Traded a 1975 5th rounder to NE for RB John Tarver
Traded a 1975 6th rounder and a 1976 1st rounder to Cincy for QB Mike Boryla
Traded a 1975 9th rounder and a 1976 4th rounder to SF for DB Randy Jackson
Traded a 1977 No.1 pick and a 1978 No.1 and No.2 pick for Bill Bergey
1975--Traded a 1976 2nd rounder plus QB John Reaves to Cincy for Stan Walters and Wayne Clark
Traded a 1976 3rd rounder to Cincy for PK Horst Muhlmann
Traded a 1977 2nd rounder to Oakland for RB James McAlister
Traded a 1977 3rd rounder to Dallas for OG John Niland
Traded a pair of No.4 picks to KC for DB Cliff Frazier
In his time, Vermeil traded picks for players--a 4th rounder in 1979 for Claude Humphrey, a 6th rounder in 1977 for Art Thoms from Oakland; and the list goes on.
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Denver now has two #2s and San Francisco's #3. Any reason to worry? :paranoid
Why would you "worry"? Did you ever really think Walker was coming here anyway?
Denver will draft a receiver in the second round or first round instead of going after Walker.
maybe
You sure Denver has 2 2nds and 2 3rds?
What did they give up in that 3-way trade with Abraham? I thought they gave up either a 3rd or a 2nd. Along with the 29th.
Im pretty sure Denver gave up a 2006 third round and a 2007 fourth rounder. Plus their intial first round pick this year.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 01:46:26 PM
Denver will draft a receiver in the second round or first round instead of going after Walker.
Just stop it. Your forced "optimism" on Walker coming to Philly is outright ridiculous. Deal in the real, buddy.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 01:49:22 PM
You sure Denver has 2 2nds and 2 3rds?
No, they don't. Only the 3rd they just got. They have 3 4th's though.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 01:54:21 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 01:46:26 PM
Denver will draft a receiver in the second round or first round instead of going after Walker.
Just stop it. Your forced "optimism" on Walker coming to Philly is outright ridiculous. Deal in the real, buddy.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 01:49:22 PM
You sure Denver has 2 2nds and 2 3rds?
Yes, they do.
You have no idea why Denver did that deal. Maybe they didn't want to give away 50% of their draft to get Vernon Davis, so they traded 1 pick for 2, so they could trade a first a 2nd and Lelie to the Packers for the 5th and still have a 2nd two 3rds and the rest of their draft to fill other holes.
We don't even know if they really want Walker. We've heard nothing but "they have expressed interest."
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 01:59:43 PM
We don't even know if they really want Walker. We've heard nothing but "they have expressed interest."
Same deal with the Eagles, bro. No matter what you want to be the case.
That's true, but to say we aren't getting Walker because if this isolated deal is premature. I still think we'll get Walker, and until I hear a report that he got traded to Denver, I have no reason to think otherwise.
So Denver has extra picks now. I'm not going to automatically assume they want Walker. Maybe they want to do what I said above. Maybe they want to draft Stovall in the 2nd round or a receiver in the 3rd.
We don't know why they did this move, there could be a million reasons. Maybe they want Hali or Kiwanuka in the 2nd round. They admitted they needed a pass rusher by going after Abraham.
A caller on WIP brought up a good point. He thinks the Niners initiated this deal, not Denver. He thinks the Niners want to trade for multiple picks so they can have 2 firsts and a 2nd. It is a good point though. A team like the Niners that are so bad need as many picks as they can get. If they trade their #6 overall and multiple picks they'll have plenty of picks on the first day to help rebuild that team.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
A caller on WIP brought up a good point. He thinks the Niners initiated this deal, not Denver. He thinks the Niners want to trade for multiple picks so they can have 2 firsts and a 2nd. It is a good point though. A team like the Niners that are so bad need as many picks as they can get. If they trade their #6 overall and multiple picks they'll have plenty of picks on the first day to help rebuild that team.
Read your post again. If it still makes any logical sense to you, you've failed the test.
Seriously... if the Niners want MORE first-day picks, why would they trade for less as a first step to get more? It makes no sense. Also, it doesn't matter who initiated the deal, because obviously both teams wanted to do it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
A caller on WIP brought up a good point. He thinks the Niners initiated this deal, not Denver. He thinks the Niners want to trade for multiple picks so they can have 2 firsts and a 2nd. It is a good point though. A team like the Niners that are so bad need as many picks as they can get. If they trade their #6 overall and multiple picks they'll have plenty of picks on the first day to help rebuild that team.
Read your post again. If it still makes any logical sense to you, you've failed the test.
Seriously... if the Niners want MORE first-day picks, why would they trade for less as a first step to get more? It makes no sense. Also, it doesn't matter who initiated the deal, because obviously both teams wanted to do it.
Niners traded their 2nd and 3rd for 22 overall. So now they have 2 firsts, but not a 2nd and a 3rd. Then they trade #6 overall for say #12 overall, and a 2nd round pick.
So they have #12 overall #22 overall and a 2nd round pick.
Is that not better off than they were last night before this Denver deal?
Regardless of whether the second part happens or not is irrelevant. The point was that the Niners initiated the deal, and not Denver. Which would scratch off the idea of Denver calling San Fran to do this strictly to chase Walker.
We don't know why both teams did this deal yet, but the guy made a good point.
Trust me on this... your logic makes sense to only you.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 02:37:39 PM
Niners traded their 2nd and 3rd for 22 overall. So now they have 2 firsts, but not a 2nd and a 3rd. Then they trade #6 overall for say #12 overall, and a 2nd round pick.
So they have #12 overall #22 overall and a 2nd round pick.
Is that not better off than they were last night before this Denver deal?
Regardless of whether the second part happens or not is irrelevant. The point was that the Niners initiated the deal, and not Denver. Which would scratch off the idea of Denver calling San Fran to do this strictly to chase Walker.
We don't know why both teams did this deal yet, but the guy made a good point.
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I love getting my hopes up. Walker will be an Eagle!
...and we continue to pray! :evil
With Denver getting those picks I will say there is a .00000001% chance the Eagles get Walker.
So you're saying there's a chance. YES!
Sure
What some of you are forgetting is that there are reports out there that Denver has a huge boner for Vernon Davis. They wants another Shannon Sharpe type guy in that offense.
So there are two trains of thought to this deal, well actually 3;
1. Denver wants to load up on picks (they now have 7 in the first four rounds) so they can trade up for Vernon Davis. Why give up that 1st for a two and a three now? Because at this time the price isn't as expensive for trades. When there is time on the clock teams get greedy and can afford to hold another team hostage in negotiations.
Plus they also get a zesty teams higher #2 and #3 pick. So they could realtistically trade their 15th overall and their own #2 and #3 to get high enough to get Davis and still have SF's good #2 and #3.
2. They want Walker. That has been discussed already
3. SF intiated the trade as PF spoke about and Denver went along with it because of the reasons stated in my #1.
Phreak, I hear what you are saying but if they wanted Davis so badly why not keep both first rounders? It would be a hell of a lot easier to parlay two 1sts to move up wouldn't it?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 19, 2006, 11:00:17 PM
Phreak, I hear what you are saying but if they wanted Davis so badly why not keep both first rounders? It would be a hell of a lot easier to parlay two 1sts to move up wouldn't it?
Yeah, but they shouldn't need to move that far up to get Davis. Coincidentally, they might end up moving to #6 or so.
Quote from: hbionic on April 19, 2006, 03:33:28 PM
I love getting my hopes up. Walker will be an Eagle!
...and we continue to pray! :evil
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 19, 2006, 07:53:16 PM
What some of you are forgetting is that there are reports out there that Denver has a huge boner for Vernon Davis. They wants another Shannon Sharpe type guy in that offense.
So there are two trains of thought to this deal, well actually 3;
1. Denver wants to load up on picks (they now have 7 in the first four rounds) so they can trade up for Vernon Davis. Why give up that 1st for a two and a three now? Because at this time the price isn't as expensive for trades. When there is time on the clock teams get greedy and can afford to hold another team hostage in negotiations.
Plus they also get a zesty teams higher #2 and #3 pick. So they could realtistically trade their 15th overall and their own #2 and #3 to get high enough to get Davis and still have SF's good #2 and #3.
2. They want Walker. That has been discussed already
3. SF intiated the trade as PF spoke about and Denver went along with it because of the reasons stated in my #1.
Denver doesn't have its own No.3--it traded it to Atlanta, along with a 2007 4th for Atlanta's No.1 pick at 15. So they have a 1, 2 2nds, 1 3rd, three 4ths.
...and the Eagles have their hands ready to spread their cheeks....again.
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 02:37:39 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 19, 2006, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on April 19, 2006, 02:21:08 PM
A caller on WIP brought up a good point. He thinks the Niners initiated this deal, not Denver. He thinks the Niners want to trade for multiple picks so they can have 2 firsts and a 2nd. It is a good point though. A team like the Niners that are so bad need as many picks as they can get. If they trade their #6 overall and multiple picks they'll have plenty of picks on the first day to help rebuild that team.
Read your post again. If it still makes any logical sense to you, you've failed the test.
Seriously... if the Niners want MORE first-day picks, why would they trade for less as a first step to get more? It makes no sense. Also, it doesn't matter who initiated the deal, because obviously both teams wanted to do it.
Niners traded their 2nd and 3rd for 22 overall. So now they have 2 firsts, but not a 2nd and a 3rd. Then they trade #6 overall for say #12 overall, and a 2nd round pick.
So they have #12 overall #22 overall and a 2nd round pick.
Is that not better off than they were last night before this Denver deal?
Regardless of whether the second part happens or not is irrelevant. The point was that the Niners initiated the deal, and not Denver. Which would scratch off the idea of Denver calling San Fran to do this strictly to chase Walker.
We don't know why both teams did this deal yet, but the guy made a good point.
They have Washington's 3rd as a result of the Brandon Lloyd trade as well as their 2007 4th rounder.
Quote from: hbionic on April 20, 2006, 12:53:41 PM
...and the Eagles have their hands ready to spread their cheeks....again.
:-D
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Apr/23/sp/FP604230377.html
For what it's worth. Gotta believe Lelie is done in Denver which opens the door for a Walker acquisition.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 25, 2006, 03:30:13 AM
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Apr/23/sp/FP604230377.html
For what it's worth. Gotta believe Lelie is done in Denver which opens the door for a Walker acquisition.
Quotemedia reports have Lelie at a performance center in Tempe, Ariz
Hmmmm. I know of this guy who swears by a perforamance center in Arizona.
I would take him as a compliment to Reggie Brown but he according to what I heard on NFL Radio wants to be a #1 receiver. Denver also apparently wants a number 2 for him that is way too high at most I would give would be a 3rd and that is kind of high.
What receiver doesn't want to be a number one receiver? Trick is to perform like one....if you do, you are one. If not, then you're not. Pretty simple.
FWIW, Michael Smith on an ESPN draft special today said that the Broncos and Eagles weren't offering much for Walker.
Denver offered Lelie and a 6th
The Eagles offered Hicks and Hollis :-D
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 26, 2006, 05:11:07 PM
The Eagles offered Hicks and Hollis :-D
Wow. Surprised the Packers didn't jump at that one. Hahahaha.
They should offer Hollis and Considine. Considine is a beast.
Hood and a 3rd would get it done.
Eagles wouldn't give up Hood though, even though it would be worth it.
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Whoa....the Eagles aren't going to trade #14 overall for Walker? No way!
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 26, 2006, 05:11:07 PM
FWIW, Michael Smith on an ESPN draft special today said that the Broncos and Eagles weren't offering much for Walker.
Denver offered Lelie and a 6th
The Eagles offered Hicks and Hollis :-D
Got dammit... now see, this is what the Eagles will describe as "making a strong push" for Walker. :boom
Offer them slop and see if they'd take it. Ted Thompson doesn't strike me as one of the brightest bulbs...
And I would think that if they do get Walker on draft day by giving up a pick I bet that Hicks is included too. He'd immediatley be better than Will Whittacker who started for them last year. They were thinking about moving Mark Tauscher to G if they can get another OT. So Hicks would help there.
I have no problems with moving Hicks now. Herremans, IMO, is as good as Hicks now, and could get better.
Hicks proved last year he's fairly weak in a starting role and best suited for stop-gap duty. I'm sure the Eagles can dig up others from all the young OL they have to provide that.
Moving Hicks is absolutely no issue for me at all. He can bounce today and I have no worries that we can pretty easily replace his production by tomorrow.
My issue is that the Eagles are trying to aquire a former 1st round pick with 2 former UDFA's... both of whom have been in the league either the same amount of time or longer than Walker and who we've pretty much shown to be our gar-bage.
This is only the first part of the joke though, because on Saturday we'll hear "The Green Bay Packers have traded WR Javon Walker to the Denver Broncos for a 2006 4th round pick". :-D :boom
The newest rumor is that the Eagles and Raiders are discussing a trade involving Jerry Porter.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 27, 2006, 08:01:07 AM
The newest rumor is that the Eagles and Raiders are discussing a trade involving Jerry Porter.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
Haven't heard anything about that, but there is a rumor that I posted in another forum yesterday (or at least I thought I did) of a 3 way deal between the Saints, Jets, and Raiders.
The Saints and Jets would swap places, but it didn't say what the Saints would get in that part of the trade and the Saints would then be able to draft Mario Williams.
The Raiders then would swap with the Jets, sending them their 1st, 2nd, Jerry Porter, and future picks.
The Jets, now at No.7, would draft Ferguson and swap his rights to the Saints, presumably for the rights to Williams, since the Saints have no need for another DE, and the Jets need a pass rushing DE.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 27, 2006, 08:01:07 AM
The newest rumor is that the Eagles and Raiders are discussing a trade involving Jerry Porter.
Anyone else heard anything about this?
That would be sweet, but what would they have to give up for him?
Well, the version I heard was fairly silly... included the Eagles trading their 1st, 3rd, and a couple 4ths for Porter and #7 overall. I see that happening precisely never. But the idea of the Eagles making SOME sort of deal for Porter is not that inconceivable. I'd *almost* rather have him over Walker. Almost.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 27, 2006, 08:36:41 AM
Well, the version I heard was fairly silly... included the Eagles trading their 1st, 3rd, and a couple 4ths for Porter and #7 overall. I see that happening precisely never. But the idea of the Eagles making SOME sort of deal for Porter is not that inconceivable. I'd *almost* rather have him over Walker. Almost.
I'd say you could make a pretty strong case for either guy. Walker wants to be a number one, and be paid like one. What happens then if Reggie really does become the next Chad Johnson? Porter on the hand, has played second fiddle before, but is more of a 1A kind of guy who, in the long run, maybe could compliment Reggie, should he blossom, better than Walker. There is also no major injury history there. It should make the next couple days interesting if there is any truth to it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 27, 2006, 08:36:41 AM
Well, the version I heard was fairly silly... included the Eagles trading their 1st, 3rd, and a couple 4ths for Porter and #7 overall. I see that happening precisely never. But the idea of the Eagles making SOME sort of deal for Porter is not that inconceivable. I'd *almost* rather have him over Walker. Almost.
That would be the best trade ever1
Just saw (on Cold Pizza) that the Pack gave Walker the right to visit teams and try to work out a trade. They said he visited the Saints and Broncos yeaterday and may meet with the Eagles and Patriots today.
What would the cap hit be to the Raiders for trading Porter?
A little late to this, but while I was driving home from work today and listening to the local sports radio (farging Cowboys station) they were saying that Walker is in Philly today with Reid for the draft. Not sure if this is news to you guys or not, but that's what they reported.
Looks like God wasn't moved by reese's prayer thread.
See the other thread. Time to lock this one and let it sink... :-\
Now that I'm done pissing on the parade, sure. Lock it. :)