Has it begun? (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=45430)
Shawn Barber visited with the Birds this morning as well as taking a physical....
now this is real news
I don't know if I'll be able to keep up with all these knees that need praying for... :evil
sweet. if he signs they'll have a plethora of WILL linebackers. good thing there isn't anyone on the roster who can line up on the strong side.
He's a WIL, right?
Nevermind.
super bowl here we come
gargano saying as long as he passes the physical its a done deal
andy reid really does hate the linebacker position doesnt he
Our new 3-5-3 formation. Four guys to one side of Trotter out there.
is he WIL? anyone?
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 10:21:55 AM
sweet. if he signs they'll have a plethora of WILL linebackers. good thing there isn't anyone on the roster who can line up on the strong side.
Yes El Guapo... we have a plethora.
thats it....FA is over. We're done for the offseason.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:26:17 AM
thats it....FA is over. We're done for the offseason.
sources? link?
farg.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 10:24:40 AM
gargano saying as long as he passes the physical its a done deal
andy reid really does hate the linebacker position doesnt he
I hope he'll be able to keep up in practice.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:26:17 AM
thats it....FA is over. We're done for the offseason.
sources? link?
damn, my sarcasm was extremely unfunny.
My point was that I can see this signing happening and everyone all of the sudden talking like FA is over and the Eagles did nothing but sign Barber.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:26:17 AM
thats it....FA is over. We're done for the offseason.
sources? link?
damn, my sarcasm was extremely unfunny.
My point was that I can see this signing happening and everyone all of the sudden talking like FA is over and the Eagles did nothing but sign Barber.
Farging pessimist.
its definitely not over...and even the most taterish wouldnt say that
what im hoping is that this isnt the end of the moves at LB...im hoping he is getting the vet minimum and is in here to compete for a job and provide depth....and at a later time there will be a real and tangible upgrade at the position
Sus.... :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 10:31:59 AM
what im hoping is that this isnt the end of the moves at LB...im hoping he is getting the vet minimum and is in here to compete for a job and provide depth....and at a later time there will be a real and tangible upgrade at the position
On the :deion.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:30:07 AM
damn, my sarcasm was extremely unfunny.
mine was hilarious.
Of course it's not over. Jeff Garcia is next. Did you guys forget?
even if this is all they do, it's more than they did last year.
i would be ok with Barber at WIL, but they also need to get a SAM to cover tight ends, Jones is awful
I seem to recall JJ saying Simoneau can play SAM. The Eagles are fine.
My only thought on this move is that it's a start.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 10:35:24 AM
I seem to recall JJ saying Simoneau can play SAM. The Eagles are fine.
but he can't, that is not an acceptable solution at SAM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 10:34:05 AM
even if this is all they do, it's more than they did last year.
i would be ok with Barber at WIL, but they also need to get a SAM to cover tight ends, Jones is awful
I don't feel comfortable relying on a guy who's played in 11 games in the last 2 years into a position where we desperately need an upgrade. If they've got plans to add more at the position, cool. If this is it... not so cool.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 10:36:07 AM
My only thought on this move is that it's a start.
Not much more they can do except look at outright cuts.....at least until this whole CBA crap is dealt with and FA starts.
I'm hoping Barber can fill in for a couple games to start the season. After his knees give out in week 4, Matt McCoy will be able to fill in full time having the Bow Tied Air Guitar Playing Pretty Boy as his backup.
I don't feel comfortable relying on a guy who's played in 11 games in the last 2 years into a position where we desperately need an upgrade
me neither...hes a 31 year old playing on 45 year olds legs...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 10:36:07 AM
My only thought on this move is that it's a start.
Not much more they can do except look at outright cuts.....at least until this whole CBA crap is dealt with and FA starts.
Oh, I know. I was just saying that if they don't at least make a solid effort to acquire at least one more (and less injury-prone) LB in free agency, they are not giving the position its due diligence.
That said, Barber was the best WIL we've had in Philly in quite some time, so if he's even 80-85% of the player he was then, he's a massive upgrade over the likes of Simoneau and Adams. But it's still only a start.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:37:02 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 10:36:07 AM
My only thought on this move is that it's a start.
Not much more they can do except look at outright cuts.....at least until this whole CBA crap is dealt with and FA starts.
Oh, I know. I was just saying that if they don't at least make a solid effort to acquire at least one more (and less injury-prone) LB in free agency, they are not giving the position its due diligence.
Diligence... love that word. Thanks, FF.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 10:36:56 AM
I don't feel comfortable relying on a guy who's played in 11 games in the last 2 years into a position where we desperately need an upgrade. If they've got plans to add more at the position, cool. If this is it... not so cool.
Derrick Burgess.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 10:36:56 AM
I don't feel comfortable relying on a guy who's played in 11 games in the last 2 years into a position where we desperately need an upgrade. If they've got plans to add more at the position, cool. If this is it... not so cool.
Derrick Burgess.
Wait, so let me get this straight... if the Eagles let a guy with an extensive injury history go, he's injury-prone and they made a great move by not making an investment in him. If they sign one, he's obviously just had bad luck and they're getting a great deal. Right?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 10:36:56 AM
I don't feel comfortable relying on a guy who's played in 11 games in the last 2 years into a position where we desperately need an upgrade. If they've got plans to add more at the position, cool. If this is it... not so cool.
Derrick Burgess.
Tell me you didn't think the Raiders were screwing themselves by taking Burgess last year.
Not at all.
My point is that for every single person bitching about how the Eagles made the HUGE mistake to let Burgess go.....those same people will bitch about Barber coming back here before he ever plays a game.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 10:36:56 AM
I don't feel comfortable relying on a guy who's played in 11 games in the last 2 years into a position where we desperately need an upgrade. If they've got plans to add more at the position, cool. If this is it... not so cool.
Derrick Burgess.
Tell me you didn't think the Raiders were screwing themselves by taking Burgess last year.
Yes, I did. Which is my point. LOL
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:54:07 AM
Not at all.
My point is that for every single person bitching about how the Eagles made the HUGE mistake to let Burgess go.....those same people will bitch about Barber coming back here before he ever plays a game.
I don't think they made a mistake with Burgess... I wouldn't have kept him around either for the money he left to take.
I agree, but we're in the minority on here.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:54:29 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:47:44 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 10:36:56 AM
I don't feel comfortable relying on a guy who's played in 11 games in the last 2 years into a position where we desperately need an upgrade. If they've got plans to add more at the position, cool. If this is it... not so cool.
Derrick Burgess.
Tell me you didn't think the Raiders were screwing themselves by taking Burgess last year.
Yes, I did. Which is my point. LOL
So are you saying you agree?
EDIT: Nevermind
Burgess had no full season with the Eagles. I thought Burgess would get hurt yet again after the big payday da Raiders game him. I guess the Eagles think McCoy isnt anything other than a backup or they wouldnt even bother with Barber.
burgess was a potential ladened young stud who showed as much when he was healthy
barber is old even if he didnt have an injury history...with that history hes a fossil...even if barber never gets hurt again hes still a questionmark...when healthy in kc he wasnt that good
look this all depends on a) what kind of money they give him b) what their expectations of him are....until we find that out we cant really critique this move
did i also mention that he isnt even an eagle yet
good point, it may be that he's the "keep the seat warm" guy for McCoy.
but either way, they still need a SAM
Well, they might have to settle for a SHAWN.
it may be that he's the "keep the seat warm" guy for McCoy
STOP
it's not my idea fargo, but would you put it past them?
i dont care whos idea it is...its not something i want to read hear or even think about
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 11:04:15 AM
it may be that he's the "keep the seat warm" guy for McCoy
STOP
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/LLEHODCJCKIP/050802_TC_8.jpg)
can you imagine keeping a seat warm for that guy...like hes some linebacking prodigy the likes of which the nfl has never seen before...hold that seat men matt mccoy will be along anytime now
has there ever been a great linebacker born in southern california
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
has there ever been a great linebacker born in southern california
urmom?
NC says it's a done deal if he passes the physical. I also got "no" on Arrington and Witherspoon... :-\
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:14:59 AM
NC says it's a done deal if he passes the physical. I also got "no" on Arrington and Witherspoon... :-\
You also got a no on TO....2 years ago.
Just sayin'. :D
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:14:59 AM
I also got "no" on Arrington and Witherspoon... :-\
That's just super. Who's going to play SAM for this team next year? If it's a competition between Dhani and Greg Richmond for the job, I'm going to throw some shtein through my window right now to save me time during the season.
andy reid says "farga linebacker"
Why the farg would anyone give a preemptive No on Witherspoon. This team hates having LBs who can play.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 11:11:49 AM
can you imagine keeping a seat warm for that guy...like hes some linebacking prodigy the likes of which the nfl has never seen before...hold that seat men matt mccoy will be along anytime now
has there ever been a great linebacker born in southern california
thats the philosophy of the Eagles, never give up. Just look they still have Dave Culley as the WRs Coach yet every WR that has been drafted by this team is average or worse! AND dont forget Quittin Caver among others.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 11:15:51 AM
You also got a no on TO....2 years ago.
Just sayin'. :D
Publicly, yes....
Quote from: rjs246 on March 08, 2006, 11:16:59 AM
Why the farg would anyone give a preemptive No on Witherspoon. This team hates having LBs who can play.
I shudder to think who will play SAM. I really do.
look no further than when the Chargers beat the Colts in Indy to see what a farging inpact linebacker can do for a defense
its just a fact Eagles cant draft LBs or WRs, they just plain SUCK AT IT
I don't care about their drafting abilities at LB or WR for 2006, because none of the players they'd draft this year would make a big impact at either of those positions anyway. That's why free agency is important this year. If Shawn Barber is the only addition to the atrocious LB corps from 2005, we're looking at no better than 10-6.
chad greenway's awesome.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 11:21:17 AM
chad greenway's awesome.
Chad Greenway is Mark Simoneau, but taller.
I'm going to make a sig of Shawn Barber clutching his knee in agony, that says in big bold letters:
"Shawn Barber THE ANSWER"
A blatant no to both Witherspoon and Arrington is teh ghey.
AND dont forget Quittin Caver among others
yep
like four years of zesty wr's before TO...fraley....sim...linebackers in general
andy loves trying to put big triangle blocks into the little round hole
dont get me wrong they made some really good moves...but sometimes its the obvious changes that need to be made to go along with the good moves that win you a championship
Maybe they can still cut a deal to trade for...
URRLACKUR!
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 11:21:17 AM
chad greenway's awesome.
Chad Greenway is Mark Simoneau, but taller.
you've convinced yourself that, but greenway can play in coverage. crazy, considering none of the eagles current linebackers have that ability.
you've convinced yourself that, but greenway can play in coverage in the big ten
fixed
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 11:25:16 AM
you've convinced yourself that, but greenway can play in coverage. crazy, considering none of the eagles current linebackers have that ability.
Chasing people around is pretty much all Simoneau can do. He's actually not awful in coverage. It's his lack of ability to be physical at the point of attack that makes him not very good.
please stop saying point of attack
Chad Greenway had cornerbacks out lifting him at the combine, he's a woman
NC: "I think Dhani sucks, to be honest." :-D
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:29:17 AM
Chad Greenway had cornerbacks out lifting him at the combine, he's a woman
lots of players kick ass at the combine and suck. who gives a damn?
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:30:28 AM
NC: "I think Dhani sucks, to be honest." :-D
who is NC?
Spewdaro
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 11:31:39 AM
lots of players kick ass at the combine and suck. who gives a damn?
because strength is something i care about for a linebacker. \
i really don't care how high an offensive lineman can jump, or a d-tackle's wonderlic score, but i care about some things, a LB bench press being one of them.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:30:28 AM
NC: "I think Dhani sucks, to be honest." :-D
LMAO... so they are hoping to play Barber at SAM and McCoy at WIL, then? I don't get it.
either way, it's not overreacting to say they need to make another LB move or they didn't address that position enough.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
either way, it's not overreacting to say they need to make another LB move or they didn't address that position enough.
Correct. I hope we can all agree on that.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
either way, it's not overreacting to say they need to make another LB move or they didn't address that position enough.
No, but its also unfair to take Spadaro's "No" to those 2 players as truth and its impossible to know what else they have planned.
"I think Dhani sucks, to be honest."
spads always on top of things...yo dumb ass he sucked on the giants
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
either way, it's not overreacting to say they need to make another LB move or they didn't address that position enough.
No, but its also unfair to take Spadaro's "No" to those 2 players as truth and its impossible to know what else they have planned.
absolutley, i'm only saying if they go into training camp with only Shawn Barber as their solution to the LB problem, that isn't enough.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
either way, it's not overreacting to say they need to make another LB move or they didn't address that position enough.
No, but its also unfair to take Spadaro's "No" to those 2 players as truth and its impossible to know what else they have planned.
absolutley, i'm only saying if they go into training camp with only Shawn Barber as their solution to the LB problem, that isn't enough.
agreed. However anyone going nuts over a Barber signing when FA hasn't even started yet needs to be flogged.
Mike McMahon, man. Mike McMahon.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 11:41:23 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:38:36 AM
either way, it's not overreacting to say they need to make another LB move or they didn't address that position enough.
No, but its also unfair to take Spadaro's "No" to those 2 players as truth and its impossible to know what else they have planned.
absolutley, i'm only saying if they go into training camp with only Shawn Barber as their solution to the LB problem, that isn't enough.
word to big bird. [/IGY]
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 11:30:28 AM
NC: "I think Dhani sucks, to be honest." :-D
I remember saying that when we signed him. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=10348.100)
As for Barber, I'll wait till I see the contract details before I pass judgement. When healthy he's an All-Pro level LB and the best WIL we've had under JJ. (for right now) I like this move. :yay
btw, how friggen starved are we for something to happen? 5 quick pages on a player that may be signed. it still beats work.
I remember saying that when we signed him.
as did all giant fans...non homerific eagle fans and anyone that ever watched him play more than one game
i remember saying on the emb that he couldnt even process the giants defensive schemes so how was he going to master jj's defense...hes dumb as a stump and doesnt have any athletic ability to make up for that...not a good combo
but he wears bow-ties. he's so eccentric
I honestly dont understand signing Barber. I dont like it, and I hope im wrong.
hah...Roper was suggested as a guy they really like and I told NC he's nothing more than a deep backup, so NC got pissy...
Sounds like a draft pick might be used here, too... :-\
Well, the line better be a lot better next year, then.
Dedrick Roper? Shoot me.
enough NC garbage...the guy is a moron and doesnt know 99% of what he portends
honestly easy id rather hear your opinions than his
The only thing that I can see that makes any sense is they have a guy that knows the system, will come on the cheap, and has enough knowledge to help McCoy (who I think will suck if he plays at all this year anyway), and any new rookies they acquire in the draft. I think a lot of us are starved for something to happen, and people are getting pissed about this supposed role prematurely. I can't believe as horrible as the LBs were last year, that the FO wouldn't take a more aggresive aproach to fix the position.
All that being said, our starting LBs will most likely be Barber, Dhani, and Trotter with McCoy sliding in there at some point. farging shtein. :-\
Hey, I'm just passing along what I hear. I also got a specific name of a draft pick they love, but I'm not going to tell you. :flipoff ;)
ed stop it, we're myspace friends for god's sake!
Is it Yatil Green? I've been waiting for them to draft him for nine years now.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 11:45:32 AM
btw, how friggen starved are we for something to happen? 5 quick pages on a player that may be signed. it still beats work.
That sir made reading this entire thread all better. Thank you.
I also got a specific name of a draft pick they love, but I'm not going to tell you
PM?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 12:01:43 PM
ed stop it, we're myspace friends for god's sake!
You went to PENNRIDGE and then U KUTZTOWN, and you're willing to admit that publicly?
From the EMB:
Some random guy:
Quotewhy make it a big feature ad if they did not want this guy to be a starter? is your webmaster that bored that he is going to write a big article on a 3rd string LB... game changing LB's are all over DAVE Peterson, Arrington, witherspoon, etc etc, etc
Spads:
QuoteYes, I'm that bored
Somebody buy Dave some Nerf office weapons.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 12:05:03 PM
I also got a specific name of a draft pick they love, but I'm not going to tell you
PM?
Get in line
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 12:06:03 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 12:01:43 PM
ed stop it, we're myspace friends for god's sake!
You went to PENNRIDGE and then U KUTZTOWN, and you're willing to admit that publicly?
why are you so obsessed with me?
what does NC stand for?
Do me a favore.
QuoteHey, BigEd76, you have 4 messages, 0 are new.
:-D
Ninja Catcher
Quote from: phattymatty on March 08, 2006, 12:09:04 PM
what does NC stand for?
BigEd calls Dave-o "Mr.
NovaCare".
It's North Carolina, guys.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 12:09:39 PM
QuoteHey, BigEd76, you have 4 messages, 0 are new.
:-D
Thanks for telling me that it's DeAngelo Williams.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 12:12:19 PM
Thanks for telling me that it's DeAngelo Williams.
:puke
Whoops. I mis-typed. I meant Michael Robinson.
It's the name I use for off-the-record stuff...
i wish big ed had a pet name for me. :(
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:26:17 AM
thats it....FA is over. We're done for the offseason.
sources? link?
damn, my sarcasm was extremely unfunny.
My point was that I can see this signing happening and everyone all of the sudden talking like FA is over and the Eagles did nothing but sign Barber.
Mike McMahon
Quote from: hunt on March 08, 2006, 12:21:47 PM
i wish big ed had a pet name for me. :(
He does, but much like "Mr. NC", he doesn't say it to your 'face'.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 08, 2006, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 10:26:46 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 08, 2006, 10:26:17 AM
thats it....FA is over. We're done for the offseason.
sources? link?
damn, my sarcasm was extremely unfunny.
My point was that I can see this signing happening and everyone all of the sudden talking like FA is over and the Eagles did nothing but sign Barber.
Mike McMahon
wow. I didn't realize this was last year. ::)
yeah dave sits in on the PP meetings gets on the record 411 from reid hecket and co. and then he runs to his office and PM's it off the record to the emb mods
i mean this with all sincerity if i PM'ed easy right now with who i thought the eagles really liked it would be more valuable than spads info
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 12:27:52 PM
yeah dave sits in on the PP meetings gets on the record 411 from reid hecket and co. and then he runs to his office and PM's it off the record to the emb mods
i mean this with all sincerity if i PM'ed easy right now with who i thought the eagles really liked it would be more valuable than spads info
75% of the time when Ed cites 'Mr. NC saying ________ is going to happen' it usually does.
pardon me if i dont get excited, or even like a little, the signing of a LB who played here before, went away and stunk for two years with bad knees.
75% of the time it usually does? I'm confused.
Shawn Barber is to Wingspan as Jeramiah Trotter is to General Failure.
Trotter's coming back again?
we need to do a hardline BigEd/NC prediction study
i want the truth!
60% of the time spads is right every time.
75% of the time it usually does? I'm confused.
lol
yeah and im 100% right half the time
Quote from: rjs246 on March 08, 2006, 12:31:04 PM
75% of the time it usually does? I'm confused.
Bite me
Quote from: hunt on March 08, 2006, 12:31:56 PM
60% of the time spads is right every time.
Bite me
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 12:32:19 PM
75% of the time it usually does? I'm confused.
lol
yeah and im 100% right half the time
Bite me
My shtein always works sometimes!
Quote from: hunt on March 08, 2006, 12:31:56 PM
60% of the time spads is right every time.
Anchorman.
Quote from: hunt on March 08, 2006, 12:31:56 PM
60% of the time spads is right every time.
was just typing this when i decided to read on.
anchorman?
lol @ you new jack bitches
yogi berra
repspect him
all the rest are just biters
would that make yogi berra an OG?
yes yes it would
Get Yogi?
Is Shawn Barber really worth 7 pages. Christ, FA had better start soon. :boom
Does he have 1/20th the talent of TO?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 12:46:21 PM
anchorman?
lol @ you new jack bitches
yogi berra
repspect him
all the rest are just biters
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/hahashow1ii.jpg)
making fun of cliches and at the same time attempting to be witty and humorous by posting google images
classic
hey, it could've been a pic from ebaumsworld.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 01:15:38 PM
making fun of cliches and at the same time attempting to be witty and humorous by posting google images
classic
While still enjoy the "HaHaHa Guy", his use is ironically considered a cliche. It's cliche on cliche warfare on a global scale.
While still enjoy the "HaHaHa Guy", his use is ironically considered a cliche
whats you quoting me and then saying the exact same thing called?
1 yr deal :paranoid
(Juqua Thomas, too)
sweet, so OLB and DE is solved, what's next?
Wait, so they signed Barber and Juqua? This is worse than the boring ass no news of the last two weeks.
One year. Perfect. That means they most likely didn't give him shtein. He's either a place holder, or a depth move. This makes me think that this move isn't the only one they will make to address the position.
Press conference around 5pm
Interesting update on Mr. Air Guitar: apparently the guys making the decisions are "lukewarm" on him and "there are options"... :paranoid :yay
I guess hope the Juqua signing is just to get the guy an invite to camp and have him around for depth in case a couple of DE's fall apart before the season again, most notably McDougle.
>mcmahon
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 02:22:12 PM
I guess hope the Juqua signing is just to get the guy an invite to camp and have him around for depth in case a couple of DE's fall apart before the season again, most notably McDougle.
Same here.
Quote from: BigEd76 on March 08, 2006, 02:11:46 PM
1 yr deal :paranoid
Perfect.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 01:59:48 PM
While still enjoy the "HaHaHa Guy", his use is ironically considered a cliche
whats you quoting me and then saying the exact same thing called?
Concept enhancement.
Concept enhancement
bravo
I don't feel like reading through eight pages of "witticisms" from you dopes, so...
Yes or no... did they sign Barber?
you gotta pay the price for the info
Next time I'm in Philly, I'll buy the first one who tells me a beer.
I'll buy the first one who tells me a beer
no he failed the physical and is on the way back to his home in kc
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 02:48:38 PM
I'll buy the first one who tells me a beer
no he failed the physical and is on the way back to his home in kc
Jerome: you might want to raise your offer to two (2) beers.
or have murp be the buyer
Jef, they signed him to a 5-year deal with a $7.5M signing bonus. They love him more than we do.... :boom
BigEd is on today
lifetime guarenteed contract. $8M base, every season, and a $70M signing bonus
Quote from: Wingspan on March 08, 2006, 02:55:23 PM
lifetime guarenteed contract. $8M base, every season, and a $70M signing bonus
Too far. Unfunny.
Sorry, but trust me... I know unfunny when I see it.
Kill yourselves.
TATErs.
Hey, your the one taht cant read gud... :P
1-yr deal, press conference at 5pm. Juqua Thomas re-signed for 1 year too
I just got off the phone with Spadaro.
The deal is two years, 2 million dollar signing bonus and 1 million per year salary with incentives that could bump it to three million. The Eagles also have an option for a third year.
Thomas wasn't signed yet but should be by 5:00.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 03:04:19 PM
I just got off the phone with Spadaro.
The deal is two years, 2 million dollar signing bonus and 1 million per year salary with incentives that could bump it to three million. The Eagles also have an option for a third year.
Thomas wasn't signed yet but should be by 5:00.
Thank God we got that extra year.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 03:04:19 PM
I just got off the phone with Spadaro.
The deal is two years, 2 million dollar signing bonus and 1 million per year salary with incentives that could bump it to three million. The Eagles also have an option for a third year.
I like this deal.
you guys are great
your mom is great
I like the idea of a one year better, start near the vet minimum and load it with incentives. If he wanted more than that, you let him walk out the door. Pretty small chance the guy plays in 10-11 games this year.
Now we just need to see what they have planned for the strong side. :paranoid
(http://www.lil-fingers.com/lil-rabbit/05.gif)
Guys, you realize I was kidding, right?
:-X
Maybe they'll reunite the 2002 LB trio by signing Emmons when he's cut.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 03:22:37 PM
Guys, you realize I was kidding, right?
:-X
No, I'm gullible.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 03:22:37 PM
Guys, you realize I was kidding, right?
:-X
I'm incapable of humor.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 08, 2006, 03:23:06 PM
Maybe they'll reunite the 2002 LB trio by signing Emmons when he's cut.
No Kirkland?
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 03:22:37 PM
Guys, you realize I was kidding, right?
:-X
You may have been kidding, but those number are probably very similar to what he'll get.....which sucks.
If the salary cap is $110 million, the numbers I *** guessed *** at will be chicken feed for a starting LB.
money isnt the problem here...barber being penciled in as the opening starter with no plan b is the problem
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 03:38:10 PM
plan b is the problem
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Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 03:38:10 PM
money isnt the problem here...barber being penciled in as the opening starter with no plan b is the problem
There's nothing to say that's the case. C'mon... he hasn't even had his press conference yet. We'll know if there's a plan B when FA starts.
Free agency hasn't even officially begun yet and you're worried about a "plan b" already?
Nervous Nelly.
:-D
gargano (who talks to people at novacare) and eskin (who was at novacre today) both said barber was signed to start...will they bring in another linebacker...perhaps...but it would be strictly for depth....the plan is for barber to be the man at WIL
Careful... you don't want to end up a dummy. (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17936.msg388408#msg388408)
We should bring Mike Caldwell back.
Keep in mind that hosts on WIP do not exactly have the best track record with things like this. ;)
I'm excited to see Greg Richmond get in there and 'compete'.
i agree...im not saying they are even close to the final word...but when gargano says hes 'spoken to people' and that eskin was 'down there today and was told'...i tend to believe it this time
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 04:01:09 PM
I'm excited to see Greg Richmond get in there and 'compete'.
Thanks.
I spit Sunny D out of my nose after reading that.
That shtein burns, dude.
:'(
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 04:01:21 PM
i agree...im not saying they are even close to the final word...but when gargano says hes 'spoken to (eskin)' and that eskin was 'down there today and was told (by gargano)'...i tend to believe it this time
i'm just going to assume that they were talking to and about each other.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 04:02:55 PM
I spit Sunny D out of my nose after reading that.
Just think... you could have been drinking soda or purple stuff.
Sunny D? What, were you rollerblading?
igy loves the purple drink
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 08, 2006, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 04:02:55 PM
I spit Sunny D out of my nose after reading that.
Just think... you could have been drinking soda or purple stuff.
:-D
t-bone steak cheese eggs and welches grape
50 cent soda in the hood they goin crazeeee
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 04:20:58 PM
t-bone steak cheese eggs and welches grape
conversate for a few
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 08, 2006, 04:24:34 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 08, 2006, 04:20:58 PM
t-bone steak cheese eggs and welches grape
conversate for a few
(aw, the hell with it...)Cuz in a few... we gon' do... what we came to do... ain't that right, boo?
true.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 04:26:42 PM
Cuz in a few... we gon' do... what we came to do... ain't that right, boo?
truefarg.
Forget the telly we just go to the crib...
And watch a movie in the jacuzzi, smoke Ls while you do me.
Can we stop this now?
Mad Dog 20-20?
boooooooooooo!
i bet youre the guy who sits during the wave
Don't sleep on Mad-Dog. It's the country's premier riot wine.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 08, 2006, 04:38:16 PM
Don't sleep on Mad-Dog. It's the country's premier riot wine.
or at least Beaver Avenue's.
Barber (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=45455) and Thomas (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=45457) stories are up on PE.com
Damn Eskin got it right for once.
I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion.
if FA hasnt started officially how are we able to sign him?
Quote from: Magical_Retard on March 08, 2006, 05:34:02 PM
if FA hasnt started officially how are we able to sign him?
His contract wasn't up. He was cut. Fair game.
hah! that other board is offline because of the barber signing...just imagine if they signed a guy with 2 knees.
Wait... if the Eagles and Sixers combined Barber and Webber, maybe the new player could be a stud for both!
I haven't read the whole thread yet. But I will say this...
The only reason I am not trippin is because it is a 1 year deal for the minimum as far as I understand.
That was the only way I said I would be cool with bringing him in here.
i wonder if, during his press conference, he'll mention the incident involving some jackass Eagles fan sporting a t-shirt with an angry message after he left for KC?
:-D :-D :-D
I forgot all about Sassy trying to get Barber to cave his face in.
I wonder if Barber will address the stuff he said about the Eagles in KC when the Eagles were coming back to whip their asses? You know the whole....this team sucks, they don't practice hard...crap/
Have you guys heard about Shawn Barber yet?
Dudes... I think he's coming back to the Eagles!
Wizzz00t!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2006, 05:55:39 PM
I wonder if Barber will address the stuff he said about the Eagles in KC when the Eagles were coming back to whip their asses? You know the whole....this team sucks, they don't practice hard...crap/
thats what I was just wondering. Im surprised Big Red has forgiven.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 05:52:15 PM
i wonder if, during his press conference, he'll mention the incident involving some jackass Eagles fan sporting a t-shirt with an angry message after he left for KC?
:cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead
Quote from: MURP on March 08, 2006, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 08, 2006, 05:55:39 PM
I wonder if Barber will address the stuff he said about the Eagles in KC when the Eagles were coming back to whip their asses? You know the whole....this team sucks, they don't practice hard...crap/
thats what I was just wondering. Im surprised Big Red has forgiven.
Well, he is 31 years old too. And if they sign Mawae (which they probably won't if Bently is their guy, unless Bentley = G and Mawae = C) then they would have signed a 31 year old and a 35 year old. So we could put that over 30 stuff to rest a little bit.
But I am surprised that they re-signed hm too. Because the split between the two wasn't exactly amicable. It wasn't on the Trotter levels of "farg you...no farg YOU" departure...but still.
I am not excited by this. But since it is a 1-year deal I can live with it.
He'll tear it up this year ala 2002 and then leave for big money again and WIP will be set afire by the callers screaming the Eagles FO sucks.
Wow... Bentley has really soared up your offseason wishlist, Jay.
:-D
I put him up there the other day when it was announced as pretty much a done deal. I had Hutchinson up there awhile back for the interior OL upgrade but moved him out. So now Bentley is up there since he is coming here and I want him to be an Eagle.
No Lavar though. :-\
I don't know about Arrington. If he's willing to take a one-year deal, the Eagles might consider him.
He's better than Barber, Jones, Adams, or any other linebacker other than five-fo on the squad, so unless they're planning on drafting Sims from FSU, I can't see why they wouldn't be interested in him.
I know Spads says otherwise, but still...
QuoteEagles | Barber says he will be healthy
Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:00:57 -0800
Rob Maadi, of the Associated Press, reports newly signed Philadelphia Eagles LB Shawn Barber (knee) said he's healthy now and will be ready to practice "full bore" at the first minicamp after the NFL Draft. He is coming off two injury-plagued seasons in which he played a total of 11 games for the Kansas City Chiefs. He tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee in November 2004 and played in three games last year.
Whew! Now I feel better.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 07:41:49 PM
I don't know about Arrington. If he's willing to take a one-year deal, the Eagles might consider him.
He's better than Barber, Jones, Adams, or any other linebacker other than five-fo on the squad, so unless they're planning on drafting Sims from FSU, I can't see why they wouldn't be interested in him.
I know Spads says otherwise, but still...
Do you know Flipper on KFFL? Eagles fan (maybe former?) who now works for the taterskins - he said Arrington and Trotter don't get along - the implication was that there may have been some serious incidents between the two of them. Not sure if that will play a role in the Eagles thinking, or if it should play a role, but I thought it was worth passing along.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 08:03:49 PM
Whew! Now I feel better.
Buck and McDougle have never made such bosts. I believe him.
Barber could work out well for the team this year. He's got something to prove and that is always good. He's not a long term solution by any stretch of the imagination but who is at linebacker on this team?
Quote from: General_Failure on March 08, 2006, 09:02:32 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 08:03:49 PM
Whew! Now I feel better.
Buck and McDougle have never made such bosts. I believe him.
Yeah, they probably never boasted like that either.
lets just hope someone doesnt shoot him
Quote from: MDS on March 08, 2006, 09:18:53 PM
lets just hope someone doesnt shoot him
Yeah, OK... I laughed.
QuoteEagles sign LB Barber to one-year contract
March 8, 2006
PHILADELPHIA (Ticker) - Shawn Barber is back with the Philadelphia Eagles.
The Eagles addressed their weak linebacking corps on Wednesday by signing Barber to a one-year contract.
Financial terms were not disclosed.
Barber, 31, spent a productive 2002 season with the Eagles, collecting 119 tackles and two interceptions while starting all 16 games at weakside linebacker. He left following that season to sign a seven-year, $30 million deal with Kansas City.
"I am at a point in my career that I was not interested in going to a new situation," Barber said. "I went to Kansas City and had a chance to join (Chiefs coach Dick) Vermeil out there. I had pretty much told myself that that was where I was going to retire. I was going to retire a Chief and play out my years there and when I couldn't play anymore for them, I was going to retire. I didn't want to learn a new defense and go through the transition period of being reacquainted with a whole new locker room and a whole new staff.
"But given the opportunity and given the great chance of coming back here to Philadelphia and being reunited with a lot of teammates and (Eagles coach) Andy Reid and (defensive coordinator) Jim Johnson, I could not pass it up."
Barber registered a career-high 141 tackles in his first season in Kansas City but was limited to just 11 games the last two campaigns before being released in a salary-cap move earlier this offseason.
In 92 career games with Washington, Philadelphia and Kansas City, Barber has registered 583 tackles, 20 interceptions and 10 sacks.
Last season, the Eagles had a Pro Bowler at middle linebacker in Jeremiah Trotter. However, Dhani Jones and Keith Adams made few big plays at the other two linebacker spots.
The Eagles on Thursday also re-signed defensive end Juqua Thomas to a one-year contract. Thomas registered 19 tackles while playing in all 16 games last season.
Piker had an interesting thought on the ***.
How about the Eagles STILL go after Hutchinson and get David Givens as well?
Spadaro mentioned that the Eagles will be signing two high-priced free agents and everyone has assumed that one will be on defense and one on offense. What if both are offensive linemen? Can you imagine that line?
Jesus...
Thomas, Hutchinson, Bentley, Andrews, Herremans.
That would instantly be the best offensive line in the NFL.
Anyway, I doubt it but it is an interesting thought.
id like to know what Spew considers a high priced FA.
Quote from: MURP on March 08, 2006, 10:29:18 PM
id like to know what Spew considers a high priced FA.
badasses like Nate Wayne and Dhani Jones.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on March 08, 2006, 10:19:25 PM
Piker had an interesting thought on the ***.
How about the Eagles STILL go after Hutchinson and get David Givens as well?
Spadaro mentioned that the Eagles will be signing two high-priced free agents and everyone has assumed that one will be on defense and one on offense. What if both are offensive linemen? Can you imagine that line?
Jesus...
Thomas, Hutchinson, Bentley, Andrews, Herremans.
That would instantly be the best offensive line in the NFL.
Anyway, I doubt it but it is an interesting thought.
Better still:
Thomas/Herremans, Hutchinson, Bentley, Andrews, Runyan.
Then givens as WR with Brown and Pinkston. TE LJ Smith. RB: Westbrook and White (drafted) or Jamal Lewis (maybe) and Mahe. An offense like this could be murder.
Also, this could give us the options spending the draft on defense.
It depends a bit on how the FA's come in. If they are willing to accept less money for a chnace to play hear (akin to the "Trotter" and "Runyan" discount) this would only open up additional possibilities.
I am not sure, and probably incredibly naive, but who knows, the fact that Barber, Trotter have come back, and Runyan publically stated that he would take a 20% discount might have incited some of the FA's to take a similar approach. Good program, until last year a winning program in exchange for a little less money.
Runyan's as good as gone, Dutch.
Herremans is in at LT. It's all but a done deal according to "sources."
RT. Duh.
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U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi, you Ugly.
Quote from: DutchBird on March 08, 2006, 11:01:15 PM
Better still:
blah blah blah...
Then givens as WR with Brown and Pinkston. TE LJ Smith. RB: Westbrook and White (drafted) or Jamal Lewis (maybe) and Mahe. An offense like this could be murder.
blah blah blah
I'd rather have Anderson.
Me too.
Lewis = bum
If Anderson could be ther 'third head' and play some FB I would be happy. If he could be the 'third head' and they signed a real FB to block for them I would ejaculate in my pantsleg.
we cant just let go of josh parrys superior pass catching skills
I will always love parry because he made a taterskin player die, if only for a second.
So give him lifetime season tickets and get him the farg off the squad.
But that was a DIRTY hit by a DIRTY Eagle player and the refs didn't call it because they hate Dan Snyder. It's so barbaric for you to root and cheer on injuries, sir! Barbaric, I say!
Quote from: Diomedes on March 08, 2006, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 08, 2006, 09:22:24 PMYeah, OK... I laughed.
Me too. Dammnit!
Really? I think I give people too much credit for having a sense of humor sometimes...
Sorry guys, I forgot about Anderson.... apologies.
And Runyan being gone... could well be, but I do not know. I guess I have some hope in my heart.
Anderson and Westbrook/Mahe could be a bad ass combo in the backfield. You always will have a 4th WR with LB killer speed who can split out or power run with Anderson. Id like to see the Eagles give him a 3yr contract front loaded to get him here. Along with a road grader like Bentley, :o
Why are we even talking about Mahe? Because of the tender? I'd rather keep Perry to be the "other undersized, mostly useless" back. At least he can return kicks.
Yeah, yeah, Mahe led the league in punt returns. Punt his ass.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 09, 2006, 09:03:49 AM
Anderson and Westbrook/Mahe could be a bad ass combo in the backfield. You always will have a 4th WR with LB killer speed who can split out or power run with Anderson. Id like to see the Eagles give him a 3yr contract front loaded to get him here. Along with a road grader like Bentley, :o
You forget about Moats? MAHE?
Actually, I did. :-\ Staying up late to watch NCAAB with two little ones under 4 = brain dysfunction.
MMH is Mahe's new agent. Gonna get him a raise at C&P.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on March 09, 2006, 09:11:32 AM
Actually, I did. :-\ Staying up late to watch NCAAB with two little ones under 4 = brain dysfunction.
LOL, I was actually responding to phillywin (I quoted him) ;)
Kinda reinforces my point. ;D
there's no reason not to keep Jon Runyan, they should
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 09, 2006, 09:07:48 AM
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 09, 2006, 09:03:49 AM
Anderson and Westbrook/Mahe could be a bad ass combo in the backfield. You always will have a 4th WR with LB killer speed who can split out or power run with Anderson. Id like to see the Eagles give him a 3yr contract front loaded to get him here. Along with a road grader like Bentley, :o
You forget about Moats? MAHE?
WOAH SORRY i MEANT MOATS!
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 08, 2006, 10:38:28 PM
Quote from: MURP on March 08, 2006, 10:29:18 PM
id like to know what Spew considers a high priced FA.
badasses like Nate Wayne and Dhani Jones.
i'd take wayne back if it meant getting rid of jones
Dhani Jones = unremarkable filler at SAM
Nate Wayne = completely incapable of being remotely passable at SAM
Unless every game is on Monday night.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 09, 2006, 11:10:08 AM
Dhani Jones = unremarkable filler at SAM
Nate Wayne = completely incapable of being remotely passable at SAM
i, in no way, want either player...but if i had a gun to my head, i would take wayne over jones.
Wayne was useless...I'd take Mike Caldwell and Levon Kirkland over him.
Which proves that you shouldn't be trusted to make important decisions under pressure, Wingspan.
Wayne was useless...I'd take Mike Caldwell and Levon Kirkland over him
ray farmer?
i'd take Seth, today, over all of them
Barry Gardener
I hear he's available......
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa concerning the Mahe issue... headache, fever and medicine are my excuse. Please remind me not to post anymore when sick... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) :'( :'( :'( :'( :bash :bash :bash :bash :bash :bash :puke :puke :puke :puke :puke :puke :chair :chair :chair :chair :spank :spank :spank :spank :spank :spank :spank
Quote from: PhillyFan on March 08, 2006, 08:44:10 PM
Do you know Flipper on KFFL? Eagles fan (maybe former?) who now works for the taterskins - he said Arrington and Trotter don't get along - the implication was that there may have been some serious incidents between the two of them. Not sure if that will play a role in the Eagles thinking, or if it should play a role, but I thought it was worth passing along.
I told you guys Bernard Holsey(former DT Wsh) told me Trott knocked out Arrington before. Remember the doubting... ::)
KFFL:
Quote
Eagles | Contract update: S. Barber
Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:21:56 -0800
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles LB Shawn Barber's one-year contract with the team is worth $795,000 including a $25,000 signing bonus and a $770,000 base salary.
And Thomas:
Quote
Eagles | Contract update: J. Thomas
Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:23:53 -0800
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles DE Juqua Thomas signed a one-year contract worth around $545,000 Wednesday, March 8.
there cant be to much bad blood...trotter was performing in print oral sex on lavar in the paper this week in response to being asked about him
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 09, 2006, 11:16:35 AM
Which proves that you shouldn't be trusted to make important decisions under pressure, Wingspan.
i dont tend to make myself look foolish into thinking i would be the be all and all of NFL executives. i make myself look foolish in other ways.
put it this way, Wayne, and Dhani Jones are, in my opinion, are the 2 the worst starting LBs the bids have had in 5 years. i want no part of either. i only said if i had to chose one. but i do not. so it doesnt matter.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 09, 2006, 11:58:04 AM
i dont tend to make myself look foolish into thinking i would be the be all and all of NFL executives. i make myself look foolish in other ways.
???
Mahe @ QB > McMahon
(http://www.btinternet.com/~stephen.durr/amoebanucleusvacuole.jpg) > Mike McMahon
Gargano is saying that he's hearing that Barber will play SAM and they will move Dhani to WIL
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 09, 2006, 01:52:09 PM
Gargano is saying that he's hearing that Barber will play SAM and they will move Dhani to WIL
Now, this is sad... I'm actually hoping he gets beat out by McCoy.
Quote from: Wingspan on March 09, 2006, 11:58:04 AM
put it this way, Wayne, and Dhani Jones are, in my opinion, are the 2 the worst starting LBs the bids have had in 5 years.
Simoneau.
I think Gargano was full o' shtein on that one. He just said he thought that Barber played SAM after Emmons left to go to NY/ So he must've gotten the SAM - WIl thing mixed up.
Barber even said during his PC and radio interviews that he was told he would be brought in to compete at the WIL and be the nickle LB.
Why has the thread title not been changed yet?
It's a traveshamockery!
lol @ barber covering a TE
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2006, 02:08:53 PM
lol @ barber covering a TE
Is it any sadder/more funny than Dhani covering a TE?
sadly no
Barber's deal: 1.5million of $750,000 SB
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 09, 2006, 02:47:04 PM
Barber's deal: 1.5million of $750,000 SB
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 09, 2006, 11:41:50 AM
KFFL:
Quote
Eagles | Contract update: S. Barber
Thu, 9 Mar 2006 05:21:56 -0800
Mark Eckel, of the Trenton Times, reports Philadelphia Eagles LB Shawn Barber's one-year contract with the team is worth $795,000 including a $25,000 signing bonus and a $770,000 base salary.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 09, 2006, 02:47:04 PM
Barber's deal: 1.5million of $750,000 SB
English?
I read his deal was basically the minimum with a very small (under $50k) signing bonus... see?
I heard it on Eagles live, don't shoot me.
(http://www.worldpeace.no/filer/White-Flag-Small.jpg)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 09, 2006, 02:53:54 PM
I heard it on Eagles live, don't shoot me.
You know anything you hear from Spadaro or Eskin or Gargano or Cataldi or Sheridan is automatically wrong. Duh!
I believe that was Barber's deal in 2002. He got a $1.5M deal with a $750K SB back then.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 09, 2006, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 09, 2006, 02:53:54 PM
I heard it on Eagles live, don't shoot me.
You know anything you hear from Spadaro or Eskin or Gargano or Cataldi or Sheridan is automatically wrong. Duh!
Eckel
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 09, 2006, 03:00:33 PM
I believe that was Barber's deal in 2002. He got a $1.5M deal with a $750K SB back then.
Correct.
ha...the eagles signed a starting nfl linebacker for a 25k signing bonus...say what you want but if the move somehow works out they got the deal of a lifetime
Quote from: Sun_Mo on March 09, 2006, 03:02:26 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 09, 2006, 02:55:15 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 09, 2006, 02:53:54 PM
I heard it on Eagles live, don't shoot me.
You know anything you hear from Spadaro or Eskin or Gargano or Cataldi or Sheridan is automatically wrong. Duh!
Eckel
Exactly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 09, 2006, 03:00:33 PM
I believe that was Barber's deal in 2002. He got a $1.5M deal with a $750K SB back then.
You might be right, I had Eagles Live and the Afternoon Blitz going at the same time.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2006, 03:06:18 PM
ha...the eagles signed a starting nfl linebacker for a 25k signing bonus...say what you want but if the move somehow works out they got the deal of a lifetime
Low risk, high reward.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2006, 03:06:18 PM
ha...the eagles signed a starting nfl linebacker for a 25k signing bonus...say what you want but if the move somehow works out they got the deal of a lifetime
Even if it does work out, you'll still be around to remind us that (insert position here) is underachieving/sucking/injured and the Eagles FO is/was too stupid and cheap to have corrected the problem beforehand.
Low risk, high reward.
its not low risk...he could easily not even make it thru training camp as hes an injury waiting to happen or he might just not be able to play anymore and if either of those things happen they are really screwed at lb
Even if it does work out, you'll still be around to remind us that (insert position here) is underachieving/sucking/injured and the Eagles FO is/was too stupid and cheap to have corrected the problem before hand.
"say what you want but if the move somehow works out they got the deal of a lifetime"
settle down dook
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2006, 03:57:59 PM
Low risk, high reward.
its not low risk...he could easily not even make it thru training camp as hes an injury waiting to happen or he might just not be able to play anymore and if either of those things happen they are really screwed at lb
That is... if they
rely on Barber to be the straight up starter and do nothing else at LB. There's nothing to say that's what the the Eagles are going to do at this point.
It's a good thing McCoy is almost ready. Having a gimp like Barber as a backup plan could be disasterous.
:-*
That is... if they rely on Barber to be the straight up starter and do nothing else at LB. There's nothing to say that's what the the Eagles are going to do at this point.
true...if they still have plans to go out and improve the position then the barber move is a no brainer and automatically becomes a great one...but all indications point to that not being the case
"All indications"... a day or two before FA opens up?
well, one indication that they see Barber as a starter = not being interested in Arrington, IMO
all indications = recent eagles' history of not throwing big $$$ at the lb position
oh yeah, that too.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 09, 2006, 02:47:04 PM
Barber's deal: 1.5million of $750,000 SB
Spew's comments about what he said on Eagles live:
QuotePhiladelphia Inquirer reported those numbers and I merely repeated them .. Brookover said it was similar to the one in 2002
plus *eskin....*gargano....*eckel...*et al all have said they have been told by people in the organization that shawn barber is the opening day WIL
*proceed with the eskin gargano eckel et al dont know shtein posts...
The more I think about this deal, the more I start to dislike it. Could it be that Barber is just completely done, and just wanted one more payday, however small? I keep reminding myself that he passed his physical, but what does a physical like that entail? Granted, they paid almost nothing for the dude, but they did pay. If he couldn't get back to business on a KC team that may be one of the few teams in the NFL that needs more help at LB than the Birds, why would the Birds take him?
You could say that he had a big contract in KC, but KC could have just pushed him to renegotiate. He said in his PC that he didn't want to learn a new system, etc., and if that is the case, and he knew he wasn't going to get paid much, why not renegotiate in KC? I'm starting to think KC may have known he was completely done and washed up. This all becomes less of a problem if he was brought in to help instruct the younger guys, and be a last resort, but if it is anything more than that......in the words of IGY, they are really screwed.
Eckel vs. Brookover/Spew II: Electric Bugaloo
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2006, 04:27:51 PM
*proceed with the eskin gargano eckel et al dont know shtein posts...
no need.
everyone already know except for the listeners/readers who hang off their
cacks
i bet you like yourself an enlarged and emboldened cack dont you
nice touch on that btw
Quote from: hunt on March 09, 2006, 04:24:29 PM
all indications = recent eagles' history of not throwing big $$$ at the lb position
I get that... but IMO... that doesn't really fly this year. Up until now, the Eagles D has been able to get away with having zesty LB's. Under AR, they've always been a top notch unit and among the best in the league in terms of points allowed. This year, the D got raped Sunday after Sunday, the LB's were CLEARLY a weakness... and the D played a huge part in a sorry ass 6-10 season. Andy's said that he knows the front 7 needs to be fixed so maybe he got a wake-up call.
Now, I know folks are about to say that I think he's about to go throw money at Arrington, Witherspoon and Peterson... that ain't the case. AR could very well be looking at Barber to be the starter... and IMO, that'd be a big mistake. All I'm saying is that in this unique FA period (whatever the :deion amount is and again, coming off a 6-10 season) see what happens before everyone proclaims Barber the starter.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 09, 2006, 04:27:51 PM
plus *eskin....*gargano....*eckel...*et al all have said they have been told by people in the organization that shawn barber is the opening day WIL
*proceed with the eskin gargano eckel et al dont know shtein posts...
Don't have to. That's already pretty well known. You've said so yourself.
Anyway... I don't care what folks in the media say about "what they've been told". They've got a picture to paint and they'll say whatever they need to support their story or agenda. Believe me... I'm part of the media... and sports media to a degree. Happens all the time.
Barber could be the starter, could be not... but WIP sure as hell don't
know one way or the other. Especially on a signing that
wouldn't even have happened if it weren't for the the Chiefs.
If the line sucked a lot less, the 'backers might at least appear more passable.
If the Line could move at the speed of light Simoneau would be a stud.
Put me in the small camp that thinks Barber will do fine if he is at the WIL. It will be a good camp to see if Barber is fully recovered and if Dhani can hold down the SAM. Why don't the Eagles get a true SAM linebacker? They had one in Emmons so its not like they don't think it can work.
The thing IMO, is... at this point, the Eagles shouldn't "want to see" if they can get a decent WIL . They need to know what they have in McCoy, or get a stud in there and let it be done for a few years. I agree with you though that we need a true SAM backer because they know damn well Dhani can't do it worth a shtein.
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 10, 2006, 07:14:26 AM
The thing IMO, is... at this point, the Eagles shouldn't "want to see" if they can get a decent WIL . They need to know what they have in McCoy, or get a stud in there and let it be done for a few years. I agree with you though that we need a true SAM backer because they know damn well Dhani can't do it worth a shtein.
I think they believe Barber is the stud who can hold it down until they know about McCoy. I think they also believe Dhani and Greg Richmond can "compete" and they can once again turn crap into cake. I think Chad Greenway would make sense since he is good in coverage. I wish Demeco Ryans would fall to the second.
Let's just face it: The Eagles are doing nothing else at WIL and probably nothing else at LB. If they do anything, it will be to bring in someone who can play SAM, and I don't know who is out there that is really much better... Peterson?
They don't value LB's, but they do value the DL. So, let's hope they add some beef and/or speed up front.
My best guess is that we'll only see them sign a DT and they'll be done with free agency on defense. Why? Because the defense's poor performance was really an anomale for the most part... partially because of being on the field so damn much and partially due to injuries.
So, the hope turns to the offense. If the Bentley rumor is true, kick ass. You'd have to hope they'd add at least another WR and possibly a FB and/or blocking TE. Also backup QB. And another OL beyond Bentley wouldn't hurt (Runyan), but we know how the Eagles like to give young guys a chance to play.
So... the likely list is probably something along these lines:
FA additions - Barber (starting WIL), Bernard/Pickett/Tripplett (starting DT), Bentley (starting C), Givens/Moulds (starting WR), Campbell (2nd TE), Garcia (2nd QB)
Anything less than something like this is unacceptable. Anything more helps (especially along the OL or front 7).
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 10, 2006, 09:23:52 AM
Let's just face it: The Eagles are doing nothing else at WIL and probably nothing else at LB. If they do anything, it will be to bring in someone who can play SAM, and I don't know who is out there that is really much better... Peterson?
They don't value LB's, but they do value the DL. So, let's hope they add some beef and/or speed up front.
My best guess is that we'll only see them sign a DT and they'll be done with free agency on defense. Why? Because the defense's poor performance was really an anomale for the most part... partially because of being on the field so damn much and partially due to injuries.
So, the hope turns to the offense. If the Bentley rumor is true, kick ass. You'd have to hope they'd add at least another WR and possibly a FB and/or blocking TE. Also backup QB. And another OL beyond Bentley wouldn't hurt (Runyan), but we know how the Eagles like to give young guys a chance to play.
So... the likely list is probably something along these lines:
FA additions - Barber (starting WIL), Bernard/Pickett/Tripplett (starting DT), Bentley (starting C), Givens/Moulds (starting WR), Campbell (2nd TE), Garcia (2nd QB)
Anything less than something like this is unacceptable. Anything more helps (especially along the OL or front 7).0
I would actually really like the idea of signing Dan Campbell, he can catch when needed and is a real nice TE blocker. Is he available?
Get Walker.
Quote from: phillywin2k5 on March 10, 2006, 11:08:33 AM
I would actually really like the idea of signing Dan Campbell, he can catch when needed and is a real nice TE blocker. Is he available?
Yes.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 10, 2006, 11:22:09 AM
Get Walker.
Yes.
QuoteI would actually really like the idea of signing Dan Campbell, he can catch when needed and is a real nice TE blocker. Is he available?
Listen to this man.
somebody should start a thread where we predict who they will get. that would be super fun.
Barber will be on Sirius within the next hour, I'm sure you're all on the edge of your seats waiting so I'll make sure I leave a detailed and prompt update.
Shawn Barber on Sirius:
-- Thinks his most successful year was the year he spent with the Eagles in JJ's defense
-- Health wise he's ready to go, will be there for the first OTA and training camp
-- Asked how did he wind up back in Philly: Said it was a no-brainer and hasn't felt comfortable playing the LB position since he left Philly. Says the Philly D fits his game perfectly.
-- Likes JJ's defense because it's aggressive.
-- Says Michael Lewis should be a pro-bowler. Loves the way the defense is assembled right now.
-- Said he's not about the money, just loves to play the game. Doesn't care for a pay day, just wants to make sure he's compensated for his level of play.
-- Has the same agent since he left college.
-- Had a choice between a 3 year deal with the Eagles or a 1 year deal and would have been happy with either. Doesn't care how long the deal was.
-- Wishes KC the best, thinks they have a lot of young guys who haven't reached their potential yet.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 10, 2006, 12:18:30 PM
-- Said he's not about the money, just loves to play the game. Doesn't care for a pay day, just wants to make sure he's compensated for his level of play.
Sure. That's why he jumped for big dollars to KC on the first day of free agency in 2003.
I thought the exact same thing but he sounded humbled to be back here.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 10, 2006, 01:04:34 PM
I thought the exact same thing but he sounded humbled to be back here.
Aren't they all?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 10, 2006, 12:18:30 PM
Shawn Barber on Sirius:
-- Thinks his most successful year was the year he spent with the Eagles in JJ's defense
-- Asked how did he wind up back in Philly: Said it was a no-brainer and hasn't felt comfortable playing the LB position since he left Philly. Says the Philly D fits his game perfectly.
-- Likes JJ's defense because it's aggressive.
-- Says Michael Lewis should be a pro-bowler. Loves the way the defense is assembled right now.
-- Had a choice between a 3 year deal with the Eagles or a 1 year deal and would have been happy with either. Doesn't care how long the deal was.
:-*
Damn... pucker up a little bit more, Barber. He's laying it on thick as hell. You'd think he's trying to get signed right now.
I fully expect Burgess to have a bad year this year, get cut by the Raiders, and end up back here in 2007.
... only to break his foot again and miss 14 out of 16 games.
And then retire.
shawn barber is full of crap...he spewed that same garbage for the last two days on every wip show he could get on....for some reason he has himself on a PR tour...note to shawn if you turned into dust today no one would miss you starting tomorrow...show up at camp wreck shop and be happy you have a job in the nfl
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 10, 2006, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 10, 2006, 12:18:30 PM
Shawn Barber on Sirius:
-- Thinks his most successful year was the year he spent with the Eagles in JJ's defense
-- Asked how did he wind up back in Philly: Said it was a no-brainer and hasn't felt comfortable playing the LB position since he left Philly. Says the Philly D fits his game perfectly.
-- Likes JJ's defense because it's aggressive.
-- Says Michael Lewis should be a pro-bowler. Loves the way the defense is assembled right now.
-- Had a choice between a 3 year deal with the Eagles or a 1 year deal and would have been happy with either. Doesn't care how long the deal was.
:-*
Damn... pucker up a little bit more, Barber. He's laying it on thick as hell. You'd think he's trying to get signed right now.
Did you listen to the interview? What would you prefer him to say when Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan asked him about the Eagles defense? That they suck and desperately need him? He's not going to rip the team he just signed with when he's asked questions about them. On the no-brainer question: Tim Ryan asked him if he felt it was a no-brainer to come back to the Eagles where he had had such great success and knew him well - those weren't Barber's words.
I think SD Eagle also mischaracterized the money comment a little bit. I think he was more trying to distinguish himself from the Culpeppers and whomever are trying to renegotiate contracts or force issues when they're under contract. He said that he wanted to get paid for what he felt he was worth. A lot of people were annoyed when he left here for a big deal after one year, but that essentially was what both sides thought would happen when they made the 1 year deal.
Finally, I also think SD left out the most important part of the interview - that the Eagles told him they wanted him to come in and compete with the other guys on the roster, that he wasn't being brought in to fill any particular void.
Quote from: PhillyFan on March 10, 2006, 03:19:20 PM
[I think SD Eagle also mischaracterized the money comment a little bit. I think he was more trying to distinguish himself from the Culpeppers and whomever are trying to renegotiate contracts or force issues when they're under contract. He said that he wanted to get paid for what he felt he was worth. A lot of people were annoyed when he left here for a big deal after one year, but that essentially was what both sides thought would happen when they made the 1 year deal.
Finally, I also think SD left out the most important part of the interview - that the Eagles told him they wanted him to come in and compete with the other guys on the roster, that he wasn't being brought in to fill any particular void.
I just jotted down the highlights that sounded interesting. I didn't hear him say - at any point of the interview - that he was being brought in just to 'compete'. He said several times how good a fit he was for JJs system and that he felt his best season was with the Eagles.
Quote from: PhillyFan on March 10, 2006, 03:19:20 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on March 10, 2006, 01:24:05 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on March 10, 2006, 12:18:30 PM
Shawn Barber on Sirius:
-- Thinks his most successful year was the year he spent with the Eagles in JJ's defense
-- Asked how did he wind up back in Philly: Said it was a no-brainer and hasn't felt comfortable playing the LB position since he left Philly. Says the Philly D fits his game perfectly.
-- Likes JJ's defense because it's aggressive.
-- Says Michael Lewis should be a pro-bowler. Loves the way the defense is assembled right now.
-- Had a choice between a 3 year deal with the Eagles or a 1 year deal and would have been happy with either. Doesn't care how long the deal was.
:-*
Damn... pucker up a little bit more, Barber. He's laying it on thick as hell. You'd think he's trying to get signed right now.
Did you listen to the interview? What would you prefer him to say when Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan asked him about the Eagles defense? That they suck and desperately need him? He's not going to rip the team he just signed with when he's asked questions about them. On the no-brainer question: Tim Ryan asked him if he felt it was a no-brainer to come back to the Eagles where he had had such great success and knew him well - those weren't Barber's words.
OK... take off the Barber jersey... settle down and relax. I know damn well he's saying nothing more than the company line and everyday football speak. I know exactly how people load their questions and set them up to be answered a certain way. I honestly couldn't give a damn about the interview because I know it's nothing more than a fluff piece. I was simply speaking tongue in cheek on it. No need to take me so literally. Aiiight?