Poll
Question:
Assuming the first five that come off the boards are as expected, if the Birds were to trade up, who do you take?
Option 1: TE Vernon Davis Maryland
votes: 6
Option 2: LB AJ Hawk Ohio State
votes: 3
Option 3: DT Haloti Ngata Oregon
votes: 2
Stuck at home all day with the wife, who has the flu, so I figured I'd start a poll.
Assuming the first five looks like this:
1. Houston Texans - Reggie Bush
2. N.O. Saints - Matt Leinart
3. Tennessee Titans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
4. N.Y. Jets - Young/Cutler
5. G.B. Packers - Mario Williams
Ngata looks OK, but doesn't really fit Johnson's scheme. I think Bunkley is a much better fit and has a much higher upside. With both Hawk and Ngata, I feel like they will both be serviceable starters in the NFL, but I really don't see either of them as major stars.
Vernon Davis will be a star.
Davis all day long. Count me in with taking Bunkley over Ngata as well.
Hawk. Crackheads.
Davis. Without even thinking.
I'm having a very hard time understanding why anyone would want to use the Eagles' first round pick on a TE.
Did anyone watch this team last season?
- LJ, for all of his faults, was on his way to a pretty huge season when McNabb went down.
- The defense SUCKED serious ass. I mean, they were an embarrassment.
- No one could block and the team couldn't run the ball to save its life.
Drafting a speed tight end solves none of these problems and yet everyone is creaming themselves over this kid. This offense will be improved more by a farging reliable fullback than by a pass-catching TE.
Just because he's fast, you shouldn't label him a speed tight end. He's one of the strongest guys in this year's draft class, and that's counting big fat lineman. Broke all kinds of UMD lifting records. The fact that he's fast with great hands makes him too hard to pass up. If he's there when we pick, which is doubtful, the Eagles would be retarded not to get him. Regardless of what our biggest needa are. I think having soemone who can catch the ball and throw fools on their ass is a big need anyway.
No one in the FA market would help us on O as much as he will, but we can go after D in FA to address our line and LB crew.
Plus, AJ Hawk reminds me too much of Simoneau and is too ugly to root for.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 01:49:02 PM
I'm having a very hard time understanding why anyone would want to use the Eagles' first round pick on a TE.
That's not a surprise, since you like the taste of L.J.'s wahnson.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 01:49:02 PM
Did anyone watch this team last season?
Yes. Every game but the *NINE RUSHES* game at Dallas.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 01:49:02 PM
LJ, for all of his faults, was on his way to a pretty huge season when McNabb went down.
Yes, his faults are BLOCKING and HOLDING ONTO THE BALL. Those are big faults. He is a very good receiver, but he is not a very good all-around TE at all. He's a liability in the running game.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 01:49:02 PM
The defense SUCKED serious ass. I mean, they were an embarrassment.
No doubt help is needed there... but a rookie LB is not what the team needs, unless the kid is a BEAST... and I don't see any of the guys with a 1st-round grade being that exciting. I would contend that depending on what happens or doesn't in free agency, a guy like Brodrick Bunkley could be a GREAT pick. But drafting for desperate need is murder, because rookie front seven guys usually take a few years to make a real impact. Even Patterson and Cole, who were great for rookies, lost steam and were inconsistent. McCoy, who the Eagles claim to like a lot, made zero impact last year.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 01:49:02 PM
No one could block and the team couldn't run the ball to save its life.
Exactly, and that includes L.J. With getting healthy and a key addition or two, the offensive line should be very good again. The issue is that L.J. is the only NFL-caliber (read: not Spach or Andy Thorn) TE on the Eagles roster, and he can't block for shtein. He is a very, very poor blocker.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 01:49:02 PM
Drafting a speed tight end solves none of these problems and yet everyone is creaming themselves over this kid. This offense will be improved more by a farging reliable fullback than by a pass-catching TE.
The point is that VD is not a "speed" or "finesse" tight end, like L.J. is. He's a physical beast, who is probably the best (and certainly the strongest) blocking TE in the draft. The kid could pancake almost anyone. In fact, he's probably a better blocker than he is a receiver already. So, it would appear your narrow analysis of him has missed many of his skills, which is why your opinion on the matter is simply misinformed.
I honestly think that an offensive lineman or two would help the offense infinitely more than a rookie TE.
Remember when Jeremy Shockey came into the league and we all made fun of Giants fans for thinking that a TE could turn their offense into a juggernaught? What happened? Shockey came in and played at an elite level right away and their team still sucked.
A TE does not make or break an offense and using a first round pick on one makes no sense to me.
FF, justify all you want, but until I see a TE turn an offense around on his own you'll never convince me that drafting a TE in the first round is what will help the Eagles the most this year.
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 06, 2006, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 01:49:02 PM
LJ, for all of his faults, was on his way to a pretty huge season when McNabb went down.
Yes, his faults are BLOCKING and HOLDING ONTO THE BALL. Those are big faults. He is a very good receiver, but he is not a very good all-around TE at all. He's a liability in the running game.
he had 1 fumble last season
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Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 02:15:20 PM
I honestly think that an offensive lineman or two would help the offense infinitely more than a rookie TE.
Remember when Jeremy Shockey came into the league and we all made fun of Giants fans for thinking that a TE could turn their offense into a juggernaught? What happened? Shockey came in and played at an elite level right away and their team still sucked.
lol, so because you say the Giants sucked after drafting Shockey (they actually won 3 more games than the previous season), the Eagles would suck with Vernon Davis? Makes total sense!!!!!
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 02:17:39 PM
FF, justify all you want, but until I see a TE turn an offense around on his own you'll never convince me that drafting a TE in the first round is what will help the Eagles the most this year.
Drafting a TE in the first round is not what will help the Eagles most. Drafting the best and most NFL-ready player available will help the team the most, and I think Vernon Davis is probably no worse than the 4th best player in the whole draft.
That said... none of these 3 guys will be there at #14, and even though I love the idea of getting Davis, I would not strongly advocate trading up for him.
Quotelol, so because you say the Giants sucked after drafting Shockey (they actually won 3 more games than the previous season), the Eagles would suck with Vernon Davis? Makes total sense!!!!!
Are you retarded? Did I say any of that? I said a TE does not make or break an offense, especially when that offense has good receiving TE already. Does this team need another TE? Of course. In a very very very bad way. They need a BLOCKING TE. Is this team going to suck with or without VD? No, dumbass.
Or should I say, "lol no, dumbass!!!!!"
You forgot the one and eleventy in there.
I'd love to have a monster FB on this team. I'd also prefer a WR, safety, corner, LB or any lineman before getting another TE. But I'll also be happy with anyone on the offense that can help both the running game and the passing game.
draft 7 punters
QuoteI'd love to have a monster FB on this team. I'd also prefer a WR, safety, corner, LB or any lineman before getting another TE.
Stop trying to make sense. It's combine time and he who runs the fastest and benches the most and plays a position that your team doesn't need is everyone's must-draft favorite player!
Quote from: Wingspan on March 06, 2006, 03:00:58 PM
draft 7 punters
They will kick the opposing team's asses!
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 03:11:23 PM
QuoteI'd love to have a monster FB on this team. I'd also prefer a WR, safety, corner, LB or any lineman before getting another TE.
Stop trying to make sense. It's combine time and he who runs the fastest and benches the most and plays a position that your team doesn't need is everyone's must-draft favorite player!
So you're saying GET RICKY WILLIAMS!!?
Exactly. That McNabb guy sucks anyway.
TRADE OUR WHOLE DRAFT FOR VD!
QuoteMURP 05:42:23 PM Quoting a post from "Re: Draft Dreaming".
I can't wait.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 05:43:30 PM
QuoteMURP 05:42:23 PM Quoting a post from "Re: Draft Dreaming".
I can't wait.
your gonna have too, there is quite a bit of stupidity in your other post to filter out....
lolool!!11!!!11
Quote from: rjs246 on March 06, 2006, 02:48:54 PM
Quotelol, so because you say the Giants sucked after drafting Shockey (they actually won 3 more games than the previous season), the Eagles would suck with Vernon Davis? Makes total sense!!!!!
Are you retarded? Did I say any of that? I said a TE does not make or break an offense, especially when that offense has good receiving TE already. Does this team need another TE? Of course. In a very very very bad way. They need a BLOCKING TE. Is this team going to suck with or without VD? No, dumbass.
Or should I say, "lol no, dumbass!!!!!"
Is this the way you always react when some sarcasm is thrown back your way? If you get that defensive not being able to back up your point, just dont bother to respond in the first place.
I have backed up my point several times, cupcake. I call everyone retarded, so don't get your panties in a bunch over it.
Also, please do me a favor and show me where there was any discernable sarcasm in your post. I don't see any. Maybe I've just been blinded by exclamation points.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 09:35:56 AM
I have backed up my point several times, cupcake. I call everyone retarded, so don't get your panties in a bunch over it.
Also, please do me a favor and show me where there was any discernable sarcasm in your post. I don't see any. Maybe I've just been blinded by exclamation points.
What do you call actual retarded people? I call them mongoloids.
Mongoloids is always good. Usually I'm laughing too hard to actually call them anything, though.
Quote from: rjs246 on March 07, 2006, 09:35:56 AM
I have backed up my point several times, cupcake.
OK, then. Pop quiz:
If the Eagles were to get one of the many available blocking TE's, either in the draft or in free agency, and that was plenty good to go along with L.J.'s complete lack of blocking... who starts? Do we just telegraph running plays by bringing in the blocker? Do we ever ask L.J. to block at all?
If it hasn't already been mentioned, L.J. sucks at blocking. He sucks hard. A blocking specialist is not a substitute for a tight end that can do it all.
Understood. I'm not arguing that a well rounded TE would be somehow worse than a receiving only TE, my point is that LJ was putting up monster numbers last year and backup TEs are usually not receiving specialists, especially in a pass-first offense. He makes sense as a starter on this team and frankly, if bringing in a second TE or rotating a blocking TE in 'telegraphs' the Eagles' running plays, big farging whoop. Everyone on Earth knows that the Steelers/Broncos/Falcons are going to run the ball. Does that stop them?
No, it doesn't... because all three of those teams start TE's that are semi-capable blockers.
I see your point... I really do. But L.J. frustrates me, because I think he does more things wrong than he does right, but as long as his receiving #'s keep up, Joe Average Fan will blame Andy Reid or McNabb or others along the offensive line for the inconsistent running game, when I think L.J. is a big part of the problem.
Farg it all. Get Dan Campbell.
For real, Dan Campbell is exactly who I want.
I, like everyone, recognize LJ's faults, but if he can actually have a counterpart who can block and provide hands when called upon I think that helps the offense tremendously and it doesn't have to cost the team its first round pick. The End.
lol
I think Mario Williams may fall past the 5th pick now that the Packers re-signed Kampman. I'd trade our 1st, 2nd, and a 4th (since we have a bunch) for him. I might even consider adding an extra 4th.
I don't think Mike Nolan would pass him up at #6, if he even falls that far. He would be perfect to play DE in a 3-4.
Well hopefully we'll sign Howard and won't have to worry about it.