"If I were the Eagles, I would go after Edgerrin James. I know they have a lot of money tied up in Brian Westbrook, but I would line him up in the slot and all of a sudden you don't have to worry about having a third wide receiver. You have James as your running back, you have Todd Pinkston and Reggie Brown and all of a sudden Donovan McNabb has weapons to work with. James will cost you, but he's a great running back and a good blocker and a great team player."
I would be, like, really happy if the Eagles got Edgerrin James.
wouldnt be much different than drafting Lendale White IMO.... as far as that route is concerned. upgrading the WR position is looking pretty rough so far, so the only way to upgrade this offense might be at RB with Westbrook splitting out more often.
Quote from: MURP on February 20, 2006, 12:40:20 PM
wouldnt be much different than drafting Lendale White IMO....
same thing i was thinking, and the Lendale route will be cheaper.
Granted, White would be the cheaper option, but one of James' biggest assets is his blocking. It goes unsung most of the time, but he is great at it. The other thing is he can catch the ball well. White has yet to demonstrate much of the blocking and catching skills, let alone doing all of those aspects at the next level. James is a demonstrated complete package. If the Eagles were looking to get that kind of back, I would prefer they pursue James until the price became too high, then go to the draft.
I think that White's size will help him be an effective blocker so I really don't think that's an issue. His pass catching skills are a bit suspect though but that doesn't mean that you have to put him in the backfield if you want to throw the ball. Westbrook is a dangerous runner as well as reciever so it's not like defenses could automatically think pass if Westy's in the backfield....unless it's 3rd and 1. :boom
I would be happy if the Eagles got either one of those guys.
Lendale White is more of a crapshoot. James is a proven player.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 20, 2006, 12:48:20 PM
I would prefer they pursue James until the price became too high, then go to the draft.
So... you don't want them to pursue James at all, then?
The price will be very high.
what teams actually need a starting RB and have the cap room to make a run at James?
If the Eagles make a run at James they will need to reduce some cap numbers like McNabb so that they can still resign Runyan or possibly trade their 1st round DP for Abraham and sign him.
James is proven. White's a risk. Either way, it's gonna tie up money, go with proven. Besides, we need Justice more than White.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 20, 2006, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 20, 2006, 12:48:20 PM
I would prefer they pursue James until the price became too high, then go to the draft.
So... you don't want them to pursue James at all, then?
The price will be very high.
What I meant is that after Alexander, who is definately going to command
huge money, it's James as the permier back (I think that James is the better all-around back). There are other teams out there that are looking for a solid RB who may want to spend big money (Arizona, Minnesota etc) - possibly overpaying a bit - for a guy like James. If it gets to something like that, RB isn't a big enough need to tie up that much money. I would rather the Eagles spend the big FA money on a guy like Hutchinson and/or a LB like Peterson or Witherspoon.
Quote from: MURP on February 20, 2006, 12:40:20 PM
wouldnt be much different than drafting Lendale White IMO.... as far as that route is concerned. upgrading the WR position is looking pretty rough so far, so the only way to upgrade this offense might be at RB with Westbrook splitting out more often.
Correct sir! FA market for WR's is weak this year. Love Moulds but he's not the difference maker this team needs. James would put us back on track. Westy belongs in the slot!
Lendale White is a nice prospect and all but are any of you seriously saying that he is on the same level as Edge? Retards! Edge has proven to be a great runner, blocker and receiver IN THE PROS. White has proven to be a great part-time runner in college. Night and day, guys. Night and day.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 20, 2006, 04:15:23 PM
Lendale White is a nice prospect and all but are any of you seriously saying that he is on the same level as Edge? Retards! Edge has proven to be a great runner, blocker and receiver IN THE PROS. White has proven to be a great part-time runner in college. Night and day, guys. Night and day.
way to gay up the ending there.
I do what I can.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 20, 2006, 04:17:07 PM
I do what I can.
And you do it with style and flair, traits synonymous with the gays.
You're the one who's paying such close attention to what I do, crotch sniffer.
I'm just saying that since we're not going to run the ball anyway, might as well go for a RB in the draft rather than an expensive veteran, even if he is more proven.
Lendale White has proven that he can be just as good at not touching the ball as James is.
I think most of us are excited by this idea, because if we invested that much dough in 2 RBs, they might actually, I don't know, start running the ball more. :paranoid
Quote from: phattymatty on February 20, 2006, 04:42:47 PM
I'm just saying that since we're not going to run the ball anyway, might as well go for a RB in the draft rather than an expensive veteran, even if he is more proven.
Lendale White has proven that he can be just as good at not touching the ball as James is.
Ha, fair enough. But my point is that since our QBs are dropping back to pass every single down, might as well have a guy who can a) catch well and b) block really well. That's why I wouldn't mind getting Duce back. He'll never snap off a long run, but he can pick up a blitz and catch the ball. And he'd be ass cheap. But I would deficate myself with glee if they got James.
Jacksonville is going to break the bank to get James.
No way he gets past the first day of free agency.
I agree with Jaws in principle, just not in practice. I'd draft LenDale White and put Westbrook in the slot when he's not running the ball. No one can cover him one on one and that leaves Reggie & Pinky one on one coverage.
Every starting CB in the league can cover Westbrook. You make him a fulltime receiver or put him in a position where anything other than a LB or safety is covering him and he immediately becomes less effective. Christ.
Stop it, just stop it.
1. The Eagles aren't signing James.
2. The Eagles aren't drafting White.
3. RJS will probably still deficate himself. He'll find a reason.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 20, 2006, 05:16:50 PM
Jacksonville is going to break the bank to get James.
No way he gets past the first day of free agency.
If that's the case, then how about going after Fred Taylor? That way when Westbrook gets hurt, we'll have Taylor to fill in and get hurt. It'll be like Westy never left.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 05:58:44 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 20, 2006, 05:16:50 PM
Jacksonville is going to break the bank to get James.
No way he gets past the first day of free agency.
If that's the case, then how about going after Fred Taylor? That way when Westbrook gets hurt, we'll have Taylor to fill in and get hurt. It'll be like Westy never left.
Possibly....but where do Tapeh and C-Buck fit into that equation? We already have several veterans at RB on the PUP list.
I don't think there's a limit to the number of injured players you can have.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 05:58:44 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 20, 2006, 05:16:50 PM
Jacksonville is going to break the bank to get James.
No way he gets past the first day of free agency.
If that's the case, then how about going after Fred Taylor? That way when Westbrook gets hurt, we'll have Taylor to fill in and get hurt. It'll be like Westy never left.
I shouldn't laugh but I will. ;D
Quote from: rjs246 on February 20, 2006, 05:19:45 PM
Every starting CB in the league can cover Westbrook. You make him a fulltime receiver or put him in a position where anything other than a LB or safety is covering him and he immediately becomes less effective. Christ.
Okay, every starting corner in the league can cover him. That leaves either Pinkston or Reggie Brown against a nickel back. Do you think they could break down a third corner?
Also - his presence in the slot wouldn't be consistent. You know how Reid is... he mixes shtein up all the time. And when Westbrook is being covered by a safety or LB (as would be the case most times he'd be in there with White/James) he rips past them like shtein through a goose.
You're looking at things two dimensionally as usually, rjs. Try thinking outside the box for a change and quit being such a dour motherfarger all the time.
Westbrook is a great receiving running back. And I would love to have James on this team because he is a much better RUNNER than Westbrook is. But the idea of, as Jaws is suggesting, bringing in James so that Westbrook can be a slot receiver is laughable at best. The fact that any of you are entertaining the idea in your puny brains is even more ridiculous.
Okay, fair enough. Then let's put it this way: I disagree slightly with Jaws. I don't think Westbrook would make a great FULL-TIME slot receiver. He'd make a damn good one and one that would create headaches for whichever defensive coordinator they'd be facing in a given week.
Better?
The problem is that he wouldn't be a 'damn good' slot receiver either, IMO. He's a great 'weapon' because teams have to respect that when he's in the game it could be a run or a pass and he could be a threat either way, but if he lines up as a 5'8" slot receiver more often than he lines up in the backfield he would cease to be as effective.
But to answer your question, yes, that was better. Not great, but better.
excuse me while i become overwhelmed with joy at a 5'8" slot receiver. while its good to mix it in there, im pretty sure it's not hard to switch to nickel and pop a corner on him if you make a big habit of it. on top of the fact lewis and pinkston both have multiple years left on their deals. i doubt they'll be riding pine while westbrooks taking receiver snaps.
the eagles are only middle of the pack with cap space available this year, i don't see them pursuing edge to the money he's going to be asking for after signing westy. especially when the front 7 is in desperate need of the biggest chunk of that money.
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on February 20, 2006, 07:23:50 PM
especially when the front 7 is in desperate need of the biggest chunk of that money.
I disagree. It's the lack of a front 7 that is in desperate need of the biggest chunk of that money. The last thing this team needs to do is give the current group more money. ;)
Arguing the merits or lack thereof of Brian Westbrook as a full-time receiver is moot.
He's a running back and won't be used as a full-time receiver. His "weapon" status is certainly not limited to the RB position as history has proven. He has been very effective when he has been split out wide in the past, so saying that he hasn't is just plain false.
As for him occupying the same backfield with White/James, that would certainly produce some curious matchup problems as well. My thoughts on the RB position are well-documented here. If I were in charge, I'd bring someone dynamic, big and fast to complement Westbrook. If doing so meant less snaps for Westbrook at running back and more for him split out wide, then so farging be it.
In that case we agree. But I enjoy arguing in circles, so feel free to claim that we disagree.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 20, 2006, 07:39:01 PM
But I enjoy masturbating in circles
C'mon dude. You should know better than to admit doing anything in circles when I'm online. For shiz-ame.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 07:36:37 PM
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on February 20, 2006, 07:23:50 PM
especially when the front 7 is in desperate need of the biggest chunk of that money.
I disagree. It's the lack of a front 7 that is in desperate need of the biggest chunk of that money. The last thing this team needs to do is give the current group more money. ;)
ass.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 07:41:00 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 20, 2006, 07:39:01 PM
But I enjoy masturbating in circles
C'mon dude. You should know better than to admit doing anything in circles when I'm online. For shiz-ame.
I don't restrict my self-love to any one geometric shape. I'm an equal opportunity beater offer.
Stab yourselves in the groin.
Don't try to get sexy with me, Rome.
I don't give a shtein what they do with Brian Westbrook. James would definitely make our team better, so I want him on the farging team. It's pretty simple. Hell, Westbrook as a PR/KR and occasional receiver and change-of-pace back could be a very busy man.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 20, 2006, 07:36:53 PM
Arguing the merits or lack thereof of Brian Westbrook as a full-time receiver is moot.
He's a running back and won't be used as a full-time receiver. His "weapon" status is certainly not limited to the RB position as history has proven. He has been very effective when he has been split out wide in the past, so saying that he hasn't is just plain false.
As for him occupying the same backfield with White/James, that would certainly produce some curious matchup problems as well. My thoughts on the RB position are well-documented here. If I were in charge, I'd bring someone dynamic, big and fast to complement Westbrook. If doing so meant less snaps for Westbrook at running back and more for him split out wide, then so farging be it.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for typing complement instead of compliment.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 20, 2006, 08:34:20 PM
I don't give a shtein what they do with Brian Westbrook. James would definitely make our team better, so I want him on the farging team. It's pretty simple. Hell, Westbrook as a PR/KR and occasional receiver and change-of-pace back could be a very busy man.
I don't disagree at all; however, Westbrook would also be a very angry man as he has said innumerable times (at least more than I can count to, which is five [5]) he considers himself a full-time back.
Westbrook might consider himself a tall white man too, but that doesn't make it so.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 20, 2006, 09:34:56 PM
Westbrook might consider himself a tall white man too, but that doesn't make it so.
Why not? It seems to work for Michael Jackson.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 20, 2006, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 20, 2006, 09:34:56 PM
Westbrook might consider himself a tall white man too, but that doesn't make it so.
Why not? It seems to work for Michael Jackson.
What are you talking about? Nobody believes that Michael Jackson is a man.
Touche. I thought of that immediately after posting it and hoped no one would catch it.
You know what? Screw him if he gets angry. If James signed as a full-time back and they told Westbrook to take a farging hike if he didn't like it, that wouldn't bother me a bit.
I am so sick of egomaniacal players whining about their lot in life. If you have to split time with a guy like James, then so be it. Your checks still cash just the same, so shut your pipehole and get to work.
Considering Westbrook's chronic fragility, he should be the last guy on that team to be whining about playing time and/or his role.
As much of a fan I am of Westbrook, I wouldn't mind either. What would worry me is the cap implication if he were to be cut, or the effect on the locker room if he stayed.
I don't know why I'm even dreaming of this, though. James has about as much chance of being an Eagle as rjs does of being cool.
Effect on the locker room? What the hell, did TO turn this team into a bunch of skirt-wearing Lifetime-watchers?
Why are keystrokes and debates being wasted on a guy who isn't coming here? No shot.
It's either this, we talk about franchising Runyan, or NASCAR.
After a 6-10 season, I don't give a shtein what kind of effect it would have on that locker room.
A team with a healthy McNabb @ QB & Edgerrin James @ running back doesn't go 6-10. No way.
I believe that quote was from Sal Palantonio, not Jaworski.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=44671
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 20, 2006, 10:07:53 PM
Why are keystrokes and debates being wasted on a guy who isn't coming here? No shot.
How long have you been posting here? The answer is because we're retarded. So Fa King Wee Todd Did
Quote from: General_Failure on February 20, 2006, 10:08:37 PM
It's either this, we talk about franchising Runyan, or NASCAR.
Can we talk about Runyan driving a NASCAR on the way to buy a franchise?
I'll go out on a limb and say Runyan couldn't fit through the window to get into the car.
Stop spoiling my topic! I want to talk about Runyan driving a NASCAR. :CF could be the sponsor.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 21, 2006, 12:26:59 AM
Stop spoiling my topic! I want to talk about Runyan driving a NASCAR. :CF could be the sponsor.
At least we wouldn't have to worry about Chuggie killing someone and then pimping the board on his way into the courthouse.
For whats it's worth James', candy-aS5 will not come to a cold weather team unless every dome/sunny teams burns him. It's not gonna happen. Duce coming back, would be great if he's got anyting left. We would have to start a Lis-franc death-pool though, to guess which bird will go down next to that farging injury.
Lets take back Duce? HA! YEA RIGHT! He's about as productive as Buckhalter the past two years.
do you guys/gal think edge will get more or less $$$ than what the eagles gave westbrook when they extended his contract?
Westbrook = 5 years $25M $6M SB
Edge will get more than that.
okay...nevermind.
i hope moats isn't totally forgotten about if the eagles pick up a big back...kid has skills.
He'll get plenty of playing time just as soon as Westbrook gets hurt.
Quote from: hunt on February 27, 2006, 10:18:31 AM
okay...nevermind.
i hope moats isn't totally forgotten about if the eagles pick up a big back...kid has skills.
If he had skillz, he'd be unstoppable.
Moats is a career backup.
A career backup to a hemophiliac, which pretty much makes him the week 3 starter.