Official NFL Combine site (http://nflcombine.net/)
February 22-28, 2006
Indianapolis, IN
RCA Dome
A lot of great information on this site. :yay
Even though there were really boring parts last year, I really enjoyed watching some of it on NFL Network last year.
The best was watching Clarett...lol
Get a room.
on the list of most nerdy things the nfl combine is number one...not far behind is the senior bowl practices and fantasy golf
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 09:58:04 AM
on the list of most nerdy things the nfl combine is number one...not far behind is the senior bowl practices and fantasy golf
You thinking that is more the reason to watch it.
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Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 09:58:04 AM
on the list of most nerdy things the nfl combine is number one...not far behind is the senior bowl practices and fantasy golf
PG's bitter statement aside, I found this rather funny.
QuoteNFLCombine.net reports Virginia Tech QB Marcus Vick has been invited to participate in the NFL Combine.
well you have your Clarrett story line right there.
QuoteNFLCombine.net reports Virginia Tech QB Marcus Vick has been invited to participate in the NFL Combine.
Somebody has to supply the starting guns.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 03, 2006, 07:06:21 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 03, 2006, 09:58:04 AM
on the list of most nerdy things the nfl combine is number one...not far behind is the senior bowl practices and fantasy golf
PG's bitter statement aside
wah.
Mike Mayock and Corey Chavous listed their top 3 QB's in the draft (in order):
Mayock - Cutler, Leinart, Young
Chavous - Reggie McNeil, Young, Cutler
They must have been serving some good stuff on Smoot's love boat.
Well, they always said that it takes a "different" type guy to play safety in this league. At times, "different" means "retarded".
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Bush says he won't work out at NFL combine
By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
ATLANTA -- Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush, the former Southern California tailback likely to be the top pick in the 2006 draft, will not work out at the scouting combine sessions this week in Indianapolis, and will wait until the Trojans' annual "pro day" to audition for scouts.
It is not unusual for a prospect projected as such a high pick to bypass the on-field drills at the combine, where running backs are scheduled to work out over the weekend. Despite efforts by the league to encourage players to complete the entire combine workout, including a letter this year from Indianapolis Colts stars Marvin Harrison and Dwight Freeney extolling the virtues of an RCA Dome surface once widely regarded as sluggish, some players still feel more comfortable on campus.
"I'm going [to Indianapolis] to show teams a side of me that maybe they don't know," Bush told ESPN.com. "Hopefully, by now, people know what kind of athlete I am, and what I'm about as a player. But I want teams to get to know my personality, too, and I feel like I can accomplish that during the [combine] interviews."
Bush was here on Tuesday to meet with former longtime NFL personnel director Ken Herock, who helps prepare prospects for the combine interview process. Bush flew to Indianapolis on Wednesday morning for the start of his four-day combine experience.
The Southern California pro day is scheduled for April 2, and Bush is expected to participate in all of the drills that day. He almost certainly will have private workouts, including one for the Houston Texans, who hold the top pick in the April 29 draft, in the weeks following the pro day session on campus.
Houston officials continue to insist they remain undecided about the top pick, but the consensus sentiment is that Bush will be No. 1.
Articulate and engaging, Bush said he has "done [his] homework" on the Texans, including on first-year coach Gary Kubiak, and expects to be the first overall selection. Asked how much he knew about the city of Houston, he said: "I know there's no state income tax in Texas, and that's pretty important to me all of a sudden."
While a few skeptics still question Bush's ability to sustain the rigors of an NFL season at his size, the former USC star has been working out regularly in the Los Angeles area and his weight is up to 204 pounds. It has been as high as 206 pounds in recent weeks.
In 39 college games, Bush compiled 6,746 all-purpose yards. He scored touchdowns rushing, receiving, throwing and on both punt and kickoff returns.
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Quick hits from Indy: Day 1
By Gil Brandt
NFL.com Senior Analyst
INDIANAPOLIS (Feb. 23, 2006) -- There were 83 guys scheduled to report yesterday and all 83 came. Their first official function was a Welcome Dinner at 6 p.m. Jeff Foster, the president of National Combine Inc, Charley Casserly (Houston Texans), Eddie White (Reebok) and Steve Alic (NFL) were all there. Casserly gave a speech that was as good as any I've ever heard as to why a draft hopeful should work out at the Scouting Combine, including how much it means money-wise. Anyone who listened to the speech had to take a lot away from it.
Today, rise and shine was at 6 a.m. when the players lined up for the drug test. When that was completed, they came over to the RCA Dome to get their measurements for height, weight, hands and arm length, Then they were off for their physicals.
Here are some of the superlatives from that group:
Tackles
Tallest: Dennis Roland, Georgia, 6-foot-9 5/8
Heaviest: Charles Spencer, Pittsburgh, 352 pounds
Longest arms: Rashad Butler, Miami, 36 inches; Terrence Pennington, New Mexico, 36 inches
Biggest hands: Kevin Boothe, Cornell, 11 1/8 inches
Guards
Tallest: Dan Stevenson, Notre Dame, 6-foot-5 1/8
Heaviest: Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia, 355 pounds
Longest arms: Davin Joseph, Oklahoma, 35 1/8 inches
Biggest hands: Davin Joseph, Oklahoma, 11 1/4 inches
Centers
Tallest: Ryan Cook, New Mexico, 6-foot-6 5/8
Heaviest: Ryan Cook, New Mexico, 328 pounds
Longest arms: Mike Degory, Florida, 34 inches
Biggest hands: Nick Mangold, Ohio State, 10 3/8 inches
Running backs (first group)
Tallest: Gilbert Harris, Arizona, 6-foot-1 5/8
Shortest: Maurice Drew, UCLA, 5-foot-6 3/4
Heaviest: Gilbert Harris, Arizona, 235 pounds
Lightest: Reggie Bush, USC, 201 pounds; Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin, 201 pounds; Jerome Harrison, Washington St., 201 pounds
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Tallest: Gilbert Harris, Arizona, 6-foot-1 5/8
Shortest: Maurice Drew, UCLA, 5-foot-6 3/4
Heaviest: Gilbert Harris, Arizona, 235 pounds
Lightest: Reggie Bush, USC, 201 pounds; Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin, 201 pounds; Jerome Harrison, Washington St., 201 pounds
GET DREW!!
Pretty soon all of the Eagles' RBs will be small enough to run between the legs of the linemen trying to tackle them. It'll be like Darby O'Gill and the little people.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 23, 2006, 01:46:29 PM
Pretty soon all of the Eagles' RBs will be small enough to run between the legs of the linemen trying to tackle them. It'll be like Darby O'Gill and the little people.
cram it, frenchy
I think a dark horse draft candidate for the Eagles is Vernon Davis. Discuss...
I've already said that it that draft a TE early I'll farging lose it.
The farger can actually block, unlike your boy L.J. Plus, it would free Smith to play more of a WR/TE swing position, which he's much better suited for. But hey... if you like watching L.J. wave at LB's as they go to make a play...
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 24, 2006, 04:53:21 AM
I think a dark horse draft candidate for the Eagles is Vernon Davis. Discuss...
I agree. It isn't out of the question that they'd stay at 14 and draft him if the top OTs are gone by then.
I wouldn't hate it if they did draft him. A playmaker is a playmaker.
But my current wish and hope and probable fascination for the time being is that the Jets are really in love with Cutler and draft him at 4. They'd be dumb, but their ignorance could be our gain.
It could cause DaBrick to slip. And if he's there at #7 then trading up would be a thing to do. Or else I'd riot at the NovaCare
QuoteThe farger can actually block, unlike your boy L.J. Plus, it would free Smith to play more of a WR/TE swing position, which he's much better suited for. But hey... if you like watching L.J. wave at LB's as they go to make a play...
Hey man, no one wants RBs, FBs and TEs who can block to be added to this offense more than I do, but you can get a serviceable blocking/receiving tight end without throwing a farging first rounder at the position. Third round at the earliest. And even that would be a bit much since they already have a 'weapon' TE.
I wouldn't mind Vernon Davis at all, in fact I think it would be a great pick. Immediately makes our passing game better as he would already have the best hands on the team.
Watched the dude in the skills competition the other day and his hands were fantastic.
Anyone who gets the dreaded "best hands" tag on this team is instantly worthless.
I hope it's Pinkston this year.
Careful what you wish for, smart guy. That would leave Brown and Lewis as the saters again...
Aha! So you already know deep down that we're not getting a single receiver this offseason. Drink yourself to oblivion now, you're going to need it.
'saters' = 'starters' in poopoocaca speak.
You've been around long enough, I've managed to pick up some of your Jackassese.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 24, 2006, 08:38:58 PM
Aha! So you already know deep down that we're not getting a single receiver this offseason. Drink yourself to oblivion now, you're going to need it.
And yes, I have just about resigned myself to them not upgrading WR. They won't and probably shouldn't pay too much for Randal El and it seems like a pipe dream to get Moulds on a short term contract so its looking like Pinkston and Brown. Gross.
Tell me I didn't just see that sumbag Sean representing us on that NFL Network commercial. :boo
DraftDaddy:
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While hundreds of former college football players would give anything for a shot to workout at the Combine in front of all 32 teams, Penn State quarterback/wide receiver Michael Robinson has informed NFL teams he won't workout.
Boo! :boo
NFL.com:
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Gil Brandt
NFL.com Senior Analyst
INDIANAPOLIS (Feb. 25, 2006) -- On Friday, 76 players were scheduled and all 76 reported. For the first three days of the Combine there have been no dropouts, cancellations or illnesses. That makes 234 out of 234.
Hall of Famer and Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome took Falcons GM Rich McKay's place at the welcome dinner. Newsome's presentation to the players was taped and will be available to watch on NFL Network.
D'Brickashaw Ferguson might have set the trend by dressing well, but Jonathan Scott of Texas also showed up at the interviews in a suit and tie.
The activity is getting more strenuous because the three groups of player are now overlapping with the field drills, weight room workouts and interviews.
Today, starting at 9 a.m., the offensive linemen started to work out. There were two groups -- the first group had 28 players and of them 23 ran. One was medically excused. In the second group, there were 25 players and 21 of them ran. Three were medically excused. We were almost perfect on the second group.
Fast times at RCA Dome
There were really good times. In the first group, of offensive linemen Chris Chester from Oklahoma, who is a multiple position guy (all along the line and tight end), ran the 40 in 4.84 seconds while listed at 6-3 3/8 and 303 pounds. Nick Mangold, a center from Ohio State -- 6-3 5/8, 300 -- ran his 40 in 5.03.
In the second group, Eric Winston of Miami (Fla.) had best time of 4.93. He is listed at 6-6 5/8 and 310 pounds. Guy Whimper from East Carolina -- 6-4¾, 304 -- was under five seconds flat. Pat Ross, 6-3½, 301, a center from Boston College, ran it in 4.96.
In the second group there wasn't a single under guy 300 pounds. The first group had three players that were under 300 pounds, the lightest being Greg Eslinger of Minnesota at 292.
The running backs also finished up their field drills. Fifteen were scheduled, but Reggie Bush had a previous engagement and couldn't make it. Of the remaining 14 players, 13 of them ran and Ryan Gilbert of Houston was medically excused. Joseph Addai of LSU was fast at 4.37 in the 40; Maurice Drew of UCLA ran 4.43; Andre Hall of South Florida ran 4.43. Even Matt Bernstein of Wisconsin at 260 pounds ran his 40 in 4.89. There were some good times put in. That concludes today's workouts.
Long and short of it
Defensive linemen
Tallest: Jason Hatcher, Grambling, 6-foot-5 7/8
Shortest: Elvis Dumervil, Louisville, 5-11 3/8
Heaviest: Johnny Jolley, Texas A&M, 317 pounds
Lightest: Charlton Keith, Kansas State, 237 pounds
Tight ends
Tallest: Leonard Pope, Georgia, 6-foot-7¾
Shortest: Tony Scheffler, Western Michigan, 6-foot 3/8
Heaviest: T.J. Williams, North Carolina, 269 pounds
Lightest: Garrett Mills, Tulsa, 241 pounds
The place to be
The media swarm can feel like the Super Bowl, as Marcus Vick found out.
The most popular place in town has become the Reebok room. Last night there were over 100 players in there and NFL Network did something on Quinton Porter of Boston College and Matt Leinart of USC. The one thing that makes it so exciting is that every player has an authentic Reebok football with their name stamped on it. With the offensive linemen being the first group to start out of town, some of them will probably charged at the airport for excess baggage due to all the goodies.
The NFL has a media room is which there are 20 television stations present at one times and 100 times. Over the first two days, at least 75 players have been interviewed by stations from 25 states and Mexico. Many representatives of the teams' official web sites are here to get content for their fans.
Heavy lifting
Quarterback Jay Cutler from Vanderbilt is quite strong. He threw the bar up 23 times. I believe this is the most a quarterback has lifted at the Combine. That is extraordinary. QB lifting is strictly optional
I'd flip if the 'Birds snagged Bernstien in the draft. He's like having a speedy guard line up in the backfield all the time. Can't catch worth a shtein, but he absolutely destroys DE's and LBs. He also has decent speed and is real good in short yardage. IMO, a big bad FB being drafted/signed would be more proof to me than almost anything else that the coaching staff is going to make a serious effort to revive (create) a running game.
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Quote from: General_Failure on February 24, 2006, 08:38:58 PM
Aha! So you already know deep down that we're not getting a single receiver this offseason. Drink yourself to oblivion now, you're going to need it.
And yes, I have just about resigned myself to them not upgrading WR. They won't and probably shouldn't pay too much for Randal El and it seems like a pipe dream to get Moulds on a short term contract so its looking like Pinkston and Brown. Gross.
Just for PG sake, I'd like to declare, AGAIN, that I called that months ago, and got the first ::) "what an idiot" comment of the year. If you're gonna be rude AND cocky, best to be right.
VINCE IS STOOPID?
A league source tells us that there's a rumor making the rounds at the combine that Texas quarterback Vince Young scored a miserably horrible six on the Wonderlic test.
A six! That's bad. It's beyond bad. In fact, it's the lowest score that we can ever remember hearing anyone getting.
All incoming NFL players take a 50-question version of the Wonderlic, with a 12-minute window within which to finish it.
We found 15 sample Wonderlic questions on ESPN.com's page 2, including such brain-benders as selecting the ninth month of the year from among five possible choices. We'd like to think that most people of average intelligence could get at least six of the 15 sample questions right.
Getting a total of only six out of a total of 50 questions of that same kind is pa-freakin'-thetic. For a guy who's going to be called upon to read defenses and call audibles and work through a progression of receivers against NFL-caliber opposition, it's downright scary.
The source tells us that he hasn't seen the result in writing yet, but that he's "99 percent" certain that Young's score was six.
Said the source, who knows a thing or two about evaluating college players:
"I predict he'll fall all the way out of the first round."
That's a bold statement, and we're not saying that we agree with it -- primarily because our guess is that there's someone almost dumb enough to get a six on the Wonderlic, who'll overlook Young's low score along with any other concerns that might come to light over the next two months.
Not a surpise, a lot of the draft sites I visit are saying the dude's stock is dropping like a rock.
Drop out of the 1st round? No way in hell.
Probably not drop out of the first round, but I am starting to think Cutler might push right out of the third spot. I think teams are starting to look at the guy as more a project, and if that is the case, a six on the Wonderlic test won't help him much.
Just wondering, but didn't McNabb get a 12 or something like that on the Wonderlic? I thought I remembered his being pretty low.
Anyway... everything I've been reading says that Tennessee is still locked in on Young at #3. I dunno... not that these guys are Gods or anything, but I don't see a lot Young, Bush or Leinart can do (besides gain 50lbs between now and the draft) to fall out of those top 3 spots.
I'd say Leinart and Bush are locked in at one and two, but Cutler is making a serious push, just last night the kid put up 225lbs twenty-three times. That's unheard of for a QB. He's looking more and more like the best QB available. I'm betting the Jets wind up having to choose either the Brick or Young. If they go with Ferguson, Young could fall all the way to the Cards with the ten pick.
Where the Cards would shoot a truckload of jizz to draft him.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 25, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
Just wondering, but didn't McNabb get a 12 or something like that on the Wonderlic? I thought I remembered his being pretty low.
yeah. He took it twice, scored a 12 and a 16.
Dan Marino scored a 14.
Randall scored a 15.
there are a couple great QB's that had bad scores, but not many.
News flash: jocks are dumb.
That explains alot.
Quote from: MURP on February 25, 2006, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 25, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
Just wondering, but didn't McNabb get a 12 or something like that on the Wonderlic? I thought I remembered his being pretty low.
yeah. He took it twice, scored a 12 and a 16.
Dan Marino scored a 14.
Randall scored a 15.
there are a couple great QB's that had bad scores, but not many.
Who was the one QB that took it twice, the first time he got like a 10, the next time about a 35? After everyone accused him of cheating. I think it was Akili Smith but im not sure.
I think William Joseph of the Giants scored a 5. :-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 25, 2006, 08:42:22 PM
I think William Joseph of the Giants scored a 5. :-D
And the Giants scored a 5 for drafting him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 25, 2006, 08:42:22 PM
I think William Joseph of the Giants scored a 5. :-D
Sean Taylor had a single-digit score also.
WR Chad Jackson from Florida just ran a 4.37, then the next try a 4.29.
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 25, 2006, 08:42:22 PM
I think William Joseph of the Giants scored a 5. :-D
Sean Taylor had a single-digit score also.
So did Mike Patterson ...9
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Quote from: FFatPatt on February 26, 2006, 11:10:33 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 25, 2006, 08:42:22 PM
I think William Joseph of the Giants scored a 5. :-D
Sean Taylor had a single-digit score also.
So did Mike Patterson ...9
I'll take the one that's not facing the felony conviction.
Quote from: Dillen37 on February 26, 2006, 12:14:26 PM
WR Chad Jackson from Florida just ran a 4.37, then the next try a 4.29.
Did great in the skills competition a few weeks ago as well. He could be moving up in the draft to the early 20s or late teens....
Quote from: Dillen37 on February 25, 2006, 08:21:09 PM
Quote from: MURP on February 25, 2006, 08:15:35 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 25, 2006, 07:12:32 PM
Just wondering, but didn't McNabb get a 12 or something like that on the Wonderlic? I thought I remembered his being pretty low.
yeah. He took it twice, scored a 12 and a 16.
Dan Marino scored a 14.
Randall scored a 15.
there are a couple great QB's that had bad scores, but not many.
Who was the one QB that took it twice, the first time he got like a 10, the next time about a 35? After everyone accused him of cheating. I think it was Akili Smith but im not sure.
Well, if that's the case, that would tell you just about all you need to know about how important the tests are regarding how good a football player you can be. lol
But wait! Vince Young is going to be a great QB! Seriously, he's going to be awesome!
He's going to be terrible. Book it.
Mike Patterson's 9 kicks the shtein out of Vince Young's 6, dammit!
Quote from: rjs246 on February 26, 2006, 03:33:12 PM
But wait! Vince Young is going to be a great QB! Seriously, he's going to be awesome!
He's going to be terrible. Book it.
I tend to agree. I think he has Mike Vick written all over him.
I've been saying it for months. People are wowed by his athleticism but he will never be an elite QB or even close.
A little update on Young:
NCAA | V. Young scores low on Wonderlic test
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:11:01 -0800
Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports there was word around the NFL Combine that Texas QB Vince Young scored a six on his Wonderlic test and scored another six on his second attempt at the test.
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl?PHPSESSID=2564eafc00ccb9bf82a5e2aa79927a53
Hey, at least give the guy credit for consistency.
DraftDaddy.com:
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Ohio State defensive end/linebacker Mike Kudla's 45 reps on the bench press (225 lbs) ties a record set in 2000 by Norwegian strongman Leif Larsen. Larsen, who was a defensive tackle at UTEP and played 2 seasons with the Buffalo Bills (6th round pick), is currently a boxer in Europe.
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Florida State defensive tackle Broderick Bunkley did 44 reps.
Holy farging shtein. Bunkley is supposed to be a solid DT, never heard much about Kundla though. 44 and 45 reps is amazing.
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Ohio State defensive end/linebacker Mike Kudla's 45 reps on the bench press (225 lbs) ties a record set in 2000 by Norwegian strongman Leif Larsen. Larsen, who was a defensive tackle at UTEP and played 2 seasons with the Buffalo Bills (6th round pick), is currently a boxer in Europe.
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Florida State defensive tackle Broderick Bunkley did 44 reps.
Holy farging shtein. Bunkley is supposed to be a solid DT, never heard much about Kundla though. 44 and 45 reps is amazing.
They interviewed that Kundla guy afterwards and he said his personal best is 52.
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Feb. 27, 2006, 12:34AM
False score gives Young wrong kind of buzz
UT QB's disputed Wonderlic grade talk of the combine
By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
INDIANAPOLIS - Like his performance in the Rose Bowl, quarterback Vince Young rallied from a huge deficit to pull out a personal victory that might have earned him millions of dollars.
On Saturday, a rumor that Young had scored a 6 on the Wonderlic test sent shock waves through the combine. No coach, scout or general manager surveyed could produce an example of a starting quarterback with a single-digit Wonderlic score.
The test — 50 multiple-choice, non-football questions in 12 minutes — is a barometer that teams use to gauge a prospect's ability to learn.
On Sunday, the combine said the test score of 6 that was being reported by some media outlets was false.
"I've been told it was inaccurate by a source good enough for me to quote it," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said Sunday afternoon.
Young took the test again and scored 16. According to Young's agent, Major Adams, the Sunday test was administered by Jeff Foster, executive director of National Scouting Combine.
"The combine officials assured us that score (6) was false and that the accurate score will be known when the combine results are given to each team," Adams said.
Wonderlic scores are supposed to be confidential and are never confirmed publicly by the NFL. Because they are included in combine results given to teams after the combine, scores leak out.
"The number really doesn't mean anything to us because we go through a process of four or five other ways to evaluate it," Casserly said. "The number's insignificant to us in the end. It's the other areas that we put more weight on."
Prospects can take the Wonderlic tests as many times as they want.
"I heard about the 6," Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese said Sunday morning. "I heard the test was improperly given, and I heard they're going to try and correct it.
"It could be improperly given because of time. It could be improperly given because when you correct it, there are like six or seven different tests. If you correct Test A with a correct sheet for Test C, it's not going to come out very well."
Rose-tinted glasses
Many executives believe the Wonderlic test is culturally biased, which is the reason they administer other tests they believe more accurately test a player's intelligence.
"I've seen players test in single digits and play 10 years, and I've seen some guys test in the 30s that couldn't walk across the street," said Reese, who has been in the NFL since 1975.
Before the combine, many prospects get help to prepare for the test. They take the tests almost every day to get ready for the combine. Young is expected to take the test again before the Longhorns' pro day March 22.
Scores for quarterbacks in the past five drafts vary, according to nfldraftscout.com. For instance, Michael Vick scored a 20, David Carr had a 24 and Eli Manning came in with a 39.
"The Wonderlic is just a red flag," Titans coach Jeff Fisher said. "Before the draft, everybody will sit down with Vince and find out if he can process information. The test has been the standard for decades, but it's only one part of the evaluation process. It's just a first step. There'll be a lot of other tests he'll undergo."
Sean Jones, a member of Oakland's personnel department, put little stock in Young's Wonderlic score.
"All I need to know about Vince Young is that he came up with one of the greatest performances ever in the Rose Bowl," Jones said. "In the fourth quarter, I saw (USC coach) Pete Carroll throw every kind of blitz at Vince. I saw Vince read the blitz and beat the blitz.
"I don't care what his Wonderlic score is. The only score I care about is 41-38."
Defensive tackle Rodrique Wright, Young's teammate at UT, came to the QB's defense.
"I think Vince's decision-making will be missed even more than his athleticism," Wright said about the Longhorns. "We knew all along that Vince was a great athlete who could run and throw, but the biggest improvement he made from his freshman year through his junior year was in the decision-making process.
"You don't lead a team to a national championship if you can't make good decisions."
Interview goes well
While Young's Wonderlic tests created a huge controversy, he was busy interviewing with different teams, including the Texans.
"I thought the interview went well," Young said. "I thought coach (Gary) Kubiak was cool.
"They asked me a lot of questions about offense. At the end, they asked me why I thought I'd be good for the team. I basically told them that I'm a high-character guy that wants to win. I said it's important to be a leader.
"I told them I wanted a chance to lead them to a Super Bowl win."
Kubiak was impressed with Young, too.
"We had a great interview with him," Kubiak said. "I wanted him to tell me why football's important to him. I wanted to talk to him about his leadership qualities. We talked a lot about offense.
"I was very, very impressed with the kid. But I was impressed with Reggie Bush, too."
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DraftDaddy.com:
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Ohio State defensive end/linebacker Mike Kudla's 45 reps on the bench press (225 lbs) ties a record set in 2000 by Norwegian strongman Leif Larsen. Larsen, who was a defensive tackle at UTEP and played 2 seasons with the Buffalo Bills (6th round pick), is currently a boxer in Europe.
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Florida State defensive tackle Broderick Bunkley did 44 reps.
Holy farging shtein. Bunkley is supposed to be a solid DT, never heard much about Kundla though. 44 and 45 reps is amazing.
I love Bunkley. Not as much as love as I have for Mario Williams and D'Brickashaw Ferguson though. I also like Jerious Norwood (RB-Miss st.) and a few of the under the radar WRs like Jeff Webb and Brandon Marshall.
Agreed. I like those guys too. It's strange this year, it seems as though it is easier to predict who the Birds will take in the later rounds than who they will pick early on. I just hope if they go defense in the first round, it's LB or a DE.
Without having spent much time/effort to learn about it on my own, it seems as though this draft class has a whole lot of depth. That's nice for certain teams with tons of picks in the mid/late rounds.
A couple of guys whose bandwagons I've hitched up to and will be touting them until the draft:
1. RB - Jerious Norwood - Miss. St. (5'11 205 4.40) He would be a great 3rd back for the Eagles to look into. He's not the prototypical big back but he can mix it up inside. He also showed that he can catch the ball too.
2. RB - Cedric Humes - VaTech (6'0 227 n/a) He is more of the big bodies back that we would need to complete the three headed monster. He would be available in the later rounds.
3. WR - Jeff Webb - SDSU (6'2 200 4.36) He is a guy who the Eagles have spoken to. He had 92 catches for 1109 yards and 10 TDs last year.
4. WR - Brandon Marshall - UCF (6'4 230 4.50) He actually moved to safety in his junior year to help the team. He then proceeded to lead them in tackles. He moved back to WR his senior year and had 74 catches for 1195 yards and 11 TDs!!
5. WR - Willie Reid - FSU (5'10 186 4.34) He only had 50 catches for 634 yards and 1 TD as a receiver. But his game is kick returning. I'm sure you remember him taking one to the house against the Lions in the Orange Bowl. And we need a KR.
6. DT - Brodrick Bunkley - FSU (6'2 306) He is a disruptive force at the DT position. Remember what Corey Simon used to be? That is Mr. Bunkley's game. He collapses the pocket and makes plays. He had 44 reps on the 225 press.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 09:50:59 AM
4. WR - Brandon Marshall - UCF (6'4 230 4.50) He actually moved to safety in his junior year to help the team. He then proceeded to lead them in tackles. He moved back to WR his senior year and had 74 catches for 1195 yards and 11 TDs!!
I like this guy a lot as well. According to Mayock during the combine, "they call this guy baby T.O, but not because of his attitude." He looked excellent at the combine.
(http://www.nflfans.com/x/gallery/files/1/7/bmarshall.jpeg)
Compare his size to the wee CB trying to cover him :o.
A big tough WR who is physical enough to play safety? Where is he predicted to be drafted? I would go after a dude like that in a heartbeat.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2006, 10:08:16 AM
A big tough WR who is physical enough to play safety? Where is he predicted to be drafted? I would go after a dude like that in a heartbeat.
From what I've seen he is projected to go in the fourth round, but that was before he showed his stuff at the combine. I think he'll come off the board probably late in the second or early in the third.
The Eagles should trade 7 of their 13 4th round picks to move up and get him at the beginning of the 3rd.
I've been watching combine coverage like it's going out of style.
Surgery + Perkaset + NFL Network = Awsum extended weekend for me
GET CHAD JACKSON! HE'S FAST! (But seriously, get Avant.)
Starting up on NFL Network now.
TEs and DL today.
I get to drool all over Mario Williams today. :crazy
Uh, Vernon Davis ran a 4.38.
Yes.
No lie.
I swear.
I have to work today, so I'm just going to watch the recap tonight on Total Access.
Holy crap. A TE ran 4.38?! That's pretty goddamned impressive.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:01:13 AM
I get to drool all over Mario Williams today. :crazy
he rocked the bench press, dude is ripped.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2006, 11:03:35 AM
Holy crap. A TE ran 4.38?! That's pretty goddamned impressive.
Yes. And did 33 reps on the bench press.
Get Davis!
Yeah, I'm officially on the Vernon Davis train. If that motherfarger is on the board at 14, I want him in Eagles green.
Might have to trade up to get him. He might go pretty damn high now. He could go to the Rams at 11.
But yes, I am on the Davis wagon too. More than I was a few weeks ago when I said I wouldn't mind them drafting a TE early.
Leonard Pope ran a 4.62..not too shabby
no, no, no, no, no, no
No Davis?
Por que?
Trading up to get a tight end? Has the whole world gone completely insane?
I'm not saying I would trade up to get him, I'm saying that in order to get him a team might have to trade up if they are not in the top 10 or 11.
If we trade up I want Mario Williams or D'Brickashaw.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2006, 11:03:35 AM
Holy crap. A TE ran 4.38?! That's pretty goddamned impressive.
Yes. And did 33 reps on the bench press.
Get Davis!
I watched the dude in the skills thingy last week, he's got great hands too. I think he came in second in the pass catching category, only behind jackson.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2006, 11:03:35 AM
Holy crap. A TE ran 4.38?! That's pretty goddamned impressive.
Yes. And did 33 reps on the bench press.
Get Davis!
Can he catch a ball?
And NO NO NO to trading UP for him...there are far more important needs on this team than a TE in the first round.
I woudn't want to trade up for him either, but if he's somehow still there at our pick, it's just as good as getting a top flight WR, if not better.
You don't trade up for him, but if he's there at 14, you take him immediately.
Not only can he catch but he is a blocker too.
I agree with nottrading up for him. But if he's there at 14, I have that pick card into Tags faster than Reno Mahe seats a group of 4 at C&P's.
if they take a TE in the 1st round, i'm going to get a mop and bucket. then, after RJS sprays projectile diarrhea all over everything, i'm going to mop it up, then I'm going to drive to the NovaCare center and when the guard doesn't let me in the gate, i'm going to dump the bucket in his guard booth.
While you're down there can you grab me a Vernon Davis #1 jersey?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 27, 2006, 11:23:54 AM
if they take a TE in the 1st round, i'm going to get a mop and bucket. then, after RJS sprays projectile diarrhea all over everything, i'm going to mop it up, then I'm going to drive to the NovaCare center and when the guard doesn't let me in the gate, i'm going to dump the bucket in his guard booth.
There is no reason to draft a TE in the first round. I agree 100%.
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/258416.jpg)
Right, because L.J. is a great all-around player. He's not at all brittle, he's a really good blocker, and he holds onto the ball expertly after making a catch. Really, I don't even know why the Eagles would want to ever have 2TE sets. They should just line up with 10 guys on the field when L.J.'s out there, because he's so damn awesome!
</lies>
L.J. is a complementary, receiving TE. He's not a primary guy on a team that actually plans to run the ball 40%+ of the time. The team needs at least a good blocker at TE on the depth chart, but if they can get a guy who can really do it all (because L.J. just flat-out CANNOT), then farging do it!
I agree, FastFrederick.
Davis would also be just like adding another WR.
He's a weapon.
TE or no TE he's got skills.
I saw Davis in that CF skills thing on TV and was amazed at how he moved for a guy his size. Decent hands in that drill where they fire the ball at you from all directions, too. I think he came in second. Based on what I saw, I'm not completely shocked at what I've read here even though anyone running a sub-4.4 will open your eyes, let alone a TE.
He doesn't have typical size for a TE, but neither did Novacek and he wasn't nearly as strong or fast as this guy. All it comes down to is how well he picks up offenses, runs routes and catches the ball in action.
i'll qualify my statement, if they sign a starting WR, DT, DE and OL during free agency, i'd be ok with drafting a tight end. if not, then i continue as originally planned.
Davis also just did a 10'8" standing broad jump.
Almost a foot longer than any other TE.
Lewis and Pope were next at 9'10"
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:32:34 AM
I agree, FastFrederick.
Davis would also be just like adding another WR.
He's a weapon.
TE or no TE he's got skills.
Actually, could you imagine a guy with that size, strength and speed at WR against some of the under 6' 200 pound corners in the league? I wouldn't be surprised if whoever drafted him did throw him out at WR some.
Especially Andy Reid. He wanted to slide LJ out more and did and we all know how he likes to move Westbrook around.
LJ lined up next to the tackle...Davis lined up outside or in the slot. Westbrook in the backfield. Moulds and Reggie Brown at WR.
I think I just messed myself.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:41:17 AM
Especially Andy Reid. He wanted to slide LJ out more and did and we all know how he likes to move Westbrook around.
LJ lined up next to the tackle...Davis lined up outside or in the slot. Westbrook in the backfield. Moulds and Reggie Brown at WR.
I think I just messed myself.
and Donovan on his back because there's no one to block for him.
Bingo, Sun.
Thomas
Hutchinson
Jackson
Andrews
Herremans
I've got it all worked out. Gimme Reid's cell phone # and I'll pass it along.
i love Phreak's opitimism, it's inspiring.
i heart Phreak.
I'm flattered. :D
Optimism is in the air. FA starts at the end of this week and there is only about 60 days to go until the draft. The Eagles have money and they are going to be aggressive.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:51:18 AM
The Eagles have money and they are going to be aggressive.
i'm hoping. it would be sweet to have something to talk about on Friday.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:41:17 AM
LJ lined up next to the tackle...Davis lined up outside or in the slot. Westbrook in the backfield. Moulds and Reggie Brown at WR.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 27, 2006, 11:45:16 AM
Thomas
Hutchinson
Jackson
Andrews
Herremans
:drool
Two pages of you guys arguing over a player Mamula'ing his way up the draft charts.
You just wanted to say 'Mamula'ing'.
Manny Lawson, dude who played opposite Super Mario is looking pretty good. Real fast, ran an unofficial 4.41 in the 40, Mario ran a 4.76. Lawson needs to bulk up though, looks like he could be another Cole, undersized but has the tools, and the frame to add bulk at the next level.
EDIT: Vertical Leaps
Mario Williams NC State 40½
Manny Lawson NC State 39½
"We like to throw fastballs at the opposing offense."
Quote from: rjs246 on February 27, 2006, 02:46:18 PM
You just wanted to say 'Mamula'ing'.
Throw yourself into the sun.
lmao, I saw that spelling change GF.
how'd you change inside my quote? :sly
(http://www.concretefield.net/forum/Smileys/classic/flipoff.gif)
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 03:39:24 PM
how'd you change inside my quote? :sly
Didn't. The board will reflect changes in the quote while you're working on it sometimes.
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 03:39:24 PM
how'd you change inside my quote? :sly
He's freakin' God! He is the "Mighty Smiter"! Don't F with him. You wil lose.
Quote from: stalker on February 27, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on February 27, 2006, 03:39:24 PM
how'd you change inside my quote? :sly
He's freakin' God! He is the "Mighty Smiter"! Don't F with him. You wil lose.
Can you stay in the goofy threads please?
*sample* Wonderlic (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060227) Ha.. good stuff.
ie:
Quote45. When Brett Favre throws an interception into quadruple coverage, it is generally thought to be excusable because ____.
Answer choices: (a) he is a "gunslinger"; (b) he isn't surrounded by top-notch talent, so therefore his only alternative is to play down to their level; (c) he is nice to the media; (d) he is Brett Favre; (e) all of the above; (f) I have no idea.
Ummm Vernon Davis just ran a 4.34 40. :paranoid Check the NFL network if you don't believe.
Quote49. The sound of the whining coming from a single Seattle Seahawks fan equals 100 decibels. What is the combined decibel level of 100 whining Seahawks fans?
Correct answer: There are not 100 Seahawks fans.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 27, 2006, 03:17:54 PM
Manny Lawson, dude who played opposite Super Mario is looking pretty good. Real fast, ran an unofficial 4.41 in the 40, Mario ran a 4.76. Lawson needs to bulk up though, looks like he could be another Cole, undersized but has the tools, and the frame to add bulk at the next level.
EDIT: Vertical Leaps
Mario Williams NC State 40½
Manny Lawson NC State 39½
Manny Lawson is another guy who I like. But he's going to be a 3-4 OLB. Maybe he could be a 4-3 SAM though.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 27, 2006, 05:23:58 PM
*sample* Wonderlic (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060227) Ha.. good stuff.
ie:
Quote45. When Brett Favre throws an interception into quadruple coverage, it is generally thought to be excusable because ____.
Answer choices: (a) he is a "gunslinger"; (b) he isn't surrounded by top-notch talent, so therefore his only alternative is to play down to their level; (c) he is nice to the media; (d) he is Brett Favre; (e) all of the above; (f) I have no idea.
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48. Chiefs return man Dante Hall catches a punt at his own 10-yard line and runs 74 yards. Where does he end up?
Correct answer: Hypothetically, at the opponent's 16-yard line. But it's Hall, so there is no way to know because most of those yards probably came from him running side to side and around and around in circles for no apparent reason. Who knows -- he probably netted negative yards. And he maybe even got tackled in his own end zone for a safety.)
:yay
Measurables don't excite me. They tend to produce Mamulas.
on NFL Network last night, i saw that Chad Greenway only did 16 reps on the bench press. DB's were out lifting him.
I want no parts of that guy at #14.
Jay Cutler had more reps than a lot of people. Maybe he should be drafted as a LB.
i don't trust anything that has to do with iowa
According to www.draftboardinsider.com's mock draft, the Eagles will be taking 3 LBs in the 4th round so we'll be ok.
does anyone else get annoyed hearing Butch Davis talk about players and the NFL Combine? He SUCKED as a talent scout/coach with Cleveland.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 28, 2006, 12:33:03 PM
According to www.draftboardinsider.com's mock draft, the Eagles will be taking 3 LBs in the 4th round so we'll be ok.
Wow, that site/mock sucks ass.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 28, 2006, 12:35:34 PM
does anyone else get annoyed hearing Butch Davis talk about players and the NFL Combine? He SUCKED as a talent scout/coach with Cleveland.
Yes, very annoyed. Plus, his body fat is 33%. What a loser.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 28, 2006, 12:38:09 PM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on February 28, 2006, 12:33:03 PM
According to www.draftboardinsider.com's mock draft, the Eagles will be taking 3 LBs in the 4th round so we'll be ok.
Wow, that site/mock sucks ass.
I guess the guy figures the Eagles will solve their LB problem by drafting all of the linebackers this year. Makes sense to me.
Obviously, mocks will be tossed around after the combine...
...but I'll still be really pissed if the Eagles draft Tamba Hali... then a WR from Miami of Ohio in the 2nd.
that mock does seem pretty ridiculous. as much as i don't think we should get hali, if we do draft him, i immediately replace my patterson jersey with a hali.
QuoteWith Ahman Green and Najeh Davenport both free agents, this pick makes perfect sense, and if the reports are true, this is Green Bay's guy. White is a bruiser with great speed who'll take plenty of heat off Aaron Rogers. Yes, the defense is still soft, but it seems the Packers' front office believeswithout a running game, it won't matter who's playing QB or on defense.
What I'd do – Draft Williams or Hawk. Don't fall in love with a running back and go after him too early.
So basically this guy is admitting that he's an idiot.
Tye Hill just ran an unofficial 4.36. Other than getting burned at the senior bowl, by Moss this guy continues to look more and more impressive.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 28, 2006, 11:46:29 AM
on NFL Network last night, i saw that Chad Greenway only did 16 reps on the bench press. DB's were out lifting him.
And he stunk in the positional drills. Mayock said that Iowa didn't blitz as much and they had Greenway playing drops most of the time. Then he proceeded to round off his drills when shedding bags and rushing the passer.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 28, 2006, 12:50:13 PM
that mock does seem pretty ridiculous. as much as i don't think we should get hali, if we do draft him, i immediately replace my patterson jersey with a hali.
Sacrilege.
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html
QuoteMaryland's Davis a lock for top 15
Insider
By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.
Maryland's Vernon Davis stole the show on Monday, when he turned in arguably the best workout for a tight end in the history of the scouting combine. At 6-3¾ and 254 pounds, Davis ran the 40-yard dash in an unprecedented 4.38 seconds. He finished atop the tight end group in both the broad jump (10-foot-8) and vertical jump (42 inches), while also impressing with his time in the three-cone drill (7.0 seconds) and the short shuttle (4.17 seconds).
Over the past decade, only five tight ends have been selected in the top 15 picks: Rickey Dudley, 1996; Tony Gonzalez, 1997; Bubba Franks, 2000; Jeremy Shockey, 2002; and Kellen Winslow Jr., 2004. Following his jaw-dropping performance on Monday, Davis is a lock to join that group.
Most of the talk prior to the second group of defensive linemen (Group 9) working out Monday afternoon centered on Mario Williams' decision to participate fully, despite his status as a potential top-five selection. The N.C. State product certainly lived up to the hype.
At 6-foot-7 and 295 pounds, Williams recorded an impressive time in the 40-yard dash (4.66), posted the second-best vertical jump (40½) among defensive linemen, and showed great body control and agility during individual position drills. Williams' strong showing solidified his standing as one the elite prospects in the 2006 class and also could lead to him being the first defensive player taken in April's draft -- possibly No. 5 overall to the Packers.
The following is a more in-depth breakdown, by position, of Monday's combine results:
Tight Ends
Teams in need of a tight end had a lot to smile about during Monday's workouts. Davis certainly set the tone for the group, but others such as Georgia's Leonard Pope, Colorado's Joe Klopfenstein, Wisconsin's Owen Daniels, Western Michigan's Tony Scheffler and Tulsa's Garrett Mills displayed the type of athleticism and pass-catching skills that make this year's tight end crop so special.
The first tight end selected in last year's draft was Heath Miller (Steelers) with the 30th overall pick, while the next tight end did not come off the board until Round 3. This year's draft could feature four tight ends taken in the first round -- with Davis possibly sneaking into the top 10 -- and no fewer than six taken by the end of the first two rounds.
There were questions regarding Pope's participation this week, but he silenced critics with an excellent overall workout on Monday. Pope, who measured out as the tallest tight end in Indianapolis (6-7¾), has room to improve in terms of his strength and overall blocking skills, but he showcased his impressive speed in the 40-yard dash. Pope also displayed big, soft hands during individual drills.
Scheffler is one of the most underrated prospects in this class and proved his worth at the combine this week. He is the shortest tight end prospect at the combine and struggled early in his career due to some durability issues. He also suffered from spending the majority of his offseason playing baseball for Western Michigan. However, Scheffler was a highly productive receiver at the mid-major Division I-A collegiate level during his final two seasons.
Since focusing solely on football, Scheffler has made enormous strides. He ran the second-fastest 40-yard dash of the participating tight ends on Monday and also posted solid results in the broad jump (9-7), three-cone drill (6.81), short shuttle (4.01) and long shuttle (11.41). Scheffler's strong showing gives him a chance to sneak into the first day.
After Davis and Scheffler, here are the fastest 40-yard dash times of the tight end group: Klopfenstein (4.62), Pope (4.62), Mills (4.64), Daniels (4.65) and Texas' David Thomas (4.67).
For all the positives that came out of the tight end workouts, UCLA's Marcedes Lewis turned in an uninspiring performance. Lewis has a lot of potential because of his wingspan, big hands and smooth athleticism. He also is a proven receiver, with 120 catches during his final three collegiate seasons. However, his lack of explosive strength and ideal bulk remains a concern, particularly because of his below-average technique as a blocker.
While he fared well in the broad jump (10-8) and vertical jump (37), Lewis ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.8 range, leading to questions regarding his ability to stretch the seam against faster defenses in the NFL. Improving on that time will be important for Lewis during his pro day in March.
Notre Dame TE Anthony Fasano did not run the 40, but he had a solid workout during pass-catching drills and also displayed good body control and change-of-direction skills by running the third-best time in the three-cone drill (6.94).
Michigan TE Tim Massaquoi did not work out because he is still recovering from injury.
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Defensive Line
The first group of defensive linemen worked out after the tight ends on Monday morning, and the second group wrapped things up in the afternoon. Of the 51 defensive linemen in attendance, 44 participated in the running drills. Three were excused due to medical reasons. Penn State DEs Tamba Hali and Matt Rice, Miami DT Orien Harris and LSU DT Claude Wroten all chose not to run, while 13 of the defensive linemen will also work out as linebackers on Tuesday.
Williams was the headliner of the unit, but his teammate, DE Manny Lawson, also impressed with his exceptional showing. Lawson finished with the best 40-yard dash time (4.43) of all the defensive linemen and also ranked near the top of the group in the vertical jump (39½), broad jump (10-4), three-cone drill (6.90), short shuttle (4.18) and long shuttle (11.08). An undersized DE/OLB tweener, Lawson projects as a situational pass-rusher early in his NFL career, until he can add bulk as a 4-3 DE or adjust to playing OLB in a 3-4 scheme. In the meantime, he also has value on special teams, especially blocking kicks.
Alabama DE Mark Anderson put up some shockingly good numbers during his workout session on Monday. Anderson was a productive starter during his final two collegiate seasons, using good technique and a high motor to overcome his seemingly below-average speed and athletic ability.
But Anderson excelled inside the RCA Dome, as he finished near the top among defensive linemen in the 40-yard dash (4.61), broad jump (10-7), vertical jump (42), three-cone drill (6.95), short shuttle (4.22) and long shuttle (11.75). This type of showing could land Anderson in the latter portion of Day 1, after previously being considered nothing more than a second-day prospect.
One of the great stories of this draft process has been that of Cal-Poly's Chris Gocong. A versatile defensive lineman who played end and tackle in college, Gocong led the Division I-AA ranks with 19 sacks as a senior in 2005. Gocong will obviously be forced to make a huge transition in the NFL. He does not have the size (6-2, 264 pounds) to play inside, but he did show the speed in the 40-yard dash (4.7) and overall athleticism in the vertical jump (38½), broad jump (10-2), three-cone drill (7.03), short shuttle (4.08) and long shuttle (11.35) to be a DE/OLB-type. If nothing else, Gocong should prove to be an effective situational edge rusher in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme, which is why I think he's moving up to the early-Day 2 range of this year's draft class.
The big knock on Purdue DE Ray Edwards is his inconsistent motor. He clearly had some issues with Joe Tiller and the Purdue coaching staff, which does raise a red flag for NFL teams interested in him. However, with a clean slate and good coaching -- both technique-wise and motivationally -- Edwards could turn out to be one of the steals of this year's draft as a late second- or third-round selection.
Edwards has impressive size and the frame to grow. He ran well in the 40-yard (4.7 range) and displayed outstanding leaping ability in the vertical jump (39) and broad jump (9-6). More importantly, Edwards showed very good athleticism and agility for such a tall player during his position drills.
Oklahoma DT Dusty Dvoracek impressed on the field with a high motor and great quickness in drills. Also, despite off-the-field baggage -- three alcohol-related incidents while at Oklahoma, including one that resulted in a yearlong suspension in 2004 -- Dvoracek has reportedly handled himself well by showing a lot of maturity during some tough interview sessions.
Michigan NT Gabe Watson has also impressed with his quickness and agility for such a big defensive lineman. However, the interview sessions have not been so kind to Watson, who has had many questions to answer regarding his inconsistent motor and production throughout his collegiate career. One defensive line coach from an AFC team reportedly called out Watson for taking plays off during the season and only playing hard when "money was on the line" at the Senior Bowl.
The weigh-in portion of the combine can be especially important for defensive linemen, as height and weight play a big part in determining the proper position for some DE/DT tweeners as well as DE/OLB tweeners. Surprisingly enough, Texas A&M's Johnny Jolley was the heaviest of the defensive linemen and looks every bit the part of a two-gap nose tackle who would fit well in a 3-4 scheme. Kansas' Charlton Keith weighs only 237 pounds and will need to make the position switch to outside linebacker in order to survive in the NFL.
Louisville DE Elvis Dumervil was the shortest defensive lineman in this year's combine group (5-11). Unfortunately for Dumervil, who led the nation in sacks (20) and forced fumbles (11) last season, he does not show the athleticism to make the move to outside linebacker at the next level. He did turn out one of the top 40-yard dash times (4.75) for the defensive linemen, but Dumervil still lacks the explosive initial burst that a player like Dwight Freeney uses to overcome his marginal size. Freeney timed out in the 4.5-range in his official 40-yard dash attempts prior to the 2002 draft. As a result, Dumervil's stock has continued to fall at the combine, after an equally unimpressive showing at the Senior Bowl last month.
Supreme among defensive line bench pressers were Ohio State DE Mike Kudla (record-tying 45 reps), Florida State DT Brodrick Bunkley (44), Northwestern DT Barry Cofield (35), Ohio State DT Marcus Green (33) and Georgia DT Kedric Golston (31).
Syracuse defensive linemen Ryan LaCasse (4.54) and James Wyche (4.63) recorded impressive times in the 40-yard dash.
Finally, here's a look at some of the other top performers from the different drills that took place during the defensive line workouts:
40-yard dash:
Florida State DE Kamerion Wimbley -- 4.61
Clemson DE Charles Bennett -- 4.70
Tennessee DE Parys Haralson -- 4.76
Boston College DE Kiwanuka -- 4.78
Three-cone:
Purdue DE Rob Ninkovich -- 6.96
Florida State DE Kamerion Wimbley -- 6.97
Florida DE Jeremy Mincey -- 6.99
Kansas DE Charlton Keith -- 7.03
Arizona DE Copeland Bryan -- 7.11
Stanford DE Julian Jenkins -- 7.11
Short shuttle:
Boston College DE Kiwanuka -- 4.13
Purdue DE Rob Ninkovich -- 4.18
Stanford DE Julian Jenkins -- 4.23
Florida DE Jeremy Mincey -- 4.25
Tennessee DE Parys Haralson -- 4.26
Syracuse DE Ryan LaCasse -- 4.30
Arizona DE Copeland Bryan -- 4.30
Long shuttle:
Purdue DE Rob Ninkovich -- 11.33
Arizona DE Copeland Bryan -- 11.83
Kansas DE Charlton Keith -- 11.98
Clemson DE Charles Bennett -- 12.04
Vertical jump:
Auburn DE Stanley McClover -- 39
Florida State DE Kamerion Wimbley -- 38½
Ohio State DE Mike Kudla -- 37
Grambling DE Jason Hatcher -- 35½
BYU DE Manaia Brown -- 34½
Stanford DE Julian Jenkins -- 34½
Broad jump:
Arizona DE Copeland Bryan -- 9-9
Clemson DE Charles Bennett -- 9-7
Tennessee DE Parys Haralson -- 9-7
Florida State DE Kamerion Wimbley -- 10-9
Boston College DE Kiwanuka -- 10
Purdue DE Rob Ninkovich -- 9-8
Florida DE Jeremy Mincey -- 9-8
i dont care what the eagles needs are...id give up 15 years off my life to get him
Get VD!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2006, 04:22:53 PM
i dont care what the eagles needs are...id give up 15 years off my life to get him
Unfortunately for you, you're slated to die 14 years, 11 months, and 28 days from now as is.
I have to agree with most on Vernon Davis. Already the #1 TE by all of the experts I've read, Davis had an outstanding workout, outshining IMO Bunkley, Mario Williams, Cutler, etc.
I want the Eagles to draft a player that has the potential to dominate and be an all pro, regardless of position. Mario Williams would be ideal in terms of player/position, but I don't see it happening. If Davis were there at 14, I'd grab him. Bunkley is moving up after that performance. I see a lot of value in rounds 2 & 3, so I wouldn't be upset with trading down and getting more picks.
Quote from: troyhstewart on February 28, 2006, 04:34:43 PM
I have to agree with most on Vernon Davis. Already the #1 TE by all of the experts I've read, Davis had an outstanding workout, outshining IMO Bunkley, Mario Williams, Cutler, etc.
I want the Eagles to draft a player that has the potential to dominate and be an all pro, regardless of position. Mario Williams would be ideal in terms of player/position, but I don't see it happening. If Davis were there at 14, I'd grab him. Bunkley is moving up after that performance. I see a lot of value in rounds 2 & 3, so I wouldn't be upset with trading down and getting more picks.
Holy crap! Who are you!?? :o :D
As great as Vernon Davis looks, and he looks like he could be a top TE in this league, I think defense is more important. Now draft is all about value. If the Eagles can't trade up for Mario Williams, and we are sitting there at 14 and Vernon Davis is there, then I have no problem with taking him. Mostly because players like Kiwanuka and Greenway would be reaches. But is also depends on who falls to 14.
But somewhere during this offseason the defensive line and linebackers need to be addressed or I don't see us getting deep into the playoffs.
No doubt the defense needs addressed, and as much as I like PSU and Tamba Hali, there will be similar players available in the 3rd and 4th round. Which is why I mentioned the possibility of trading down. I have no doubt they can find another Trent Cole in the middle of the draft.
I have very little faith in them drafting a LB of any consequence.
I think a top flight TE would help this offense greatly. Sure, LJ will make a few plays in the passing game, but he is inconsistent, doesn't secure the football, and is a non factor in the running game. Not only would a top TE like Davis help the running game, he would make average WRs look better.
If we do not bring back Runyan, WHitworth from LSU just looks the part as a replacement. There are alot of WRs and pass rushers that will be available late day1/early day2. This draft looks very intriguing to me in terms of depth and the quality of athletes at several positions. Even if we don't get VD, I'd take a long look at another TE like Klopfenstein.
And let's not forget FA... we have no idea what the team will do here.
PG, I've been very busy lately.
If Vernon Davis and Lendale White are both there at 14, who do you take? That is a tough one.
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 28, 2006, 05:19:16 PM
If Vernon Davis and Lendale White are both there at 14, who do you take? That is a tough one.
Vernon Davis without even taking half a second to think about it.
How come? TE more of a need or you think he'll be a better player than White?
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 28, 2006, 05:21:24 PM
How come? TE more of a need or you think he'll be a better player than White?
1. The Eagles won't run the ball more than 40% of the time as long as Reid's the coach.
2. The line isn't even really that good at run-blocking.
3. There are good runningbacks available all over the place this year if the Eagles want another one.
4. Vernon Davis is a freak of nature, and the Eagles only have one real TE on the roster.
5. The aforementioned TE is a receiver only, and can't block for crap in either the pass or run game
Really, I think TE is more of a "need", AND Davis will be a more game-changing player than White. So.. both.
Lendale White. I'd shoot Davis in the face on the way up to the podium.
Vernon Davis and RJS sitting in a tree.
i wonder how the Eagles feel about LJ as their TE of the future. if they believed him to be in their plans long-term, this would be around the time that they would extend him.
L.J. should lose a few pounds and make it official by changing to WR.
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 28, 2006, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 28, 2006, 05:21:24 PM
How come? TE more of a need or you think he'll be a better player than White?
2. The line isn't even really that good at run-blocking.
How do you know they arent good at run blocking? I'd like to see them try before labeling them bad at it.
D-FENCE!
I'd take VD without blinking. Lendale White might be interesting if they trade to 25 or so and pick up multiple picks, but not at 14, not the way AR calls plays.
If the Eagles sign Hutchinson, that tells me they are serious about running the ball more. He's a terrific run blocker.
You're all on farging crack.
Quote from: troyhstewart on February 28, 2006, 05:28:50 PM
I'd take VD without blinking
c'mon, i find it hard to believe that you'd be able to go through the entire process without blinking once. your eyes would be so stingy when you finally blinked them
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 28, 2006, 05:27:55 PM
L.J. should lose a few pounds and make it official by changing to WR.
You may usually think I am a douche bag, but here we agree. I think LJ could be DOMINANT in the slot. I have for a while. Who do you cover a 6'3" 255lb slot guy with? If you bring the safety down, who covers VD at TE? A LB? With that speed and vertical? It creates a mis-match nightmare. Also, with LJ in the slot, you can't ever put 8 in the box. The run game would be helped tremendously.
Well, it's simple: L.J. can catch passes, and that's about it. So why does he play anything but receiver?
Jesus christ.
So far I've seen scenarios where we sign Edge James and move Westbrook to WR, draft VD and move LJ to WR. We sign Randal El and have him play every position in a trick play offense. Moats is going to be our back up QB and will play under center on certain Randal El driven trick plays. Mike McMahon is probably going to move to WR since that's what all of the rest of the players who occupy a position that we could upgrade are doing. We could draft a DT or LB or something with the first pick, but why not trade the pick to Min for Culpepper and move him to LB?
Die.
We're getting Culpepper?
yep. He'll be our nickel LB, punt returner and wedge buster on kickoffs. He'll also be responsible for defensive adjustments and will be the lone man back with the hands team when defending onside kicks.
Sweet!
Quote from: rjs246 on February 28, 2006, 05:54:42 PM
yep. He'll be our nickel LB, punt returner and wedge buster on kickoffs. He'll also be responsible for defensive adjustments and will be the lone man back with the hands team when defending onside kicks.
I'll pass... I heard he can't kick for shtein.
this may have been posted here but i love this...re: veedee
When Davis completed 33-reps on the bench yesterday he purposely went last. Davis admitted showing up late so he could find out what the previous best by a tight end was and beat the number.
I have no doubts that if the previous best was 35 or 37, he would have beaten that too. Would love to have that mean sonovabitch laying brick and catching balls for Donovan next year. Farg L.J.
farg everyone...get veedee
Retard Young says retarded Wonderlics tests are totally retarded disrespectful.
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Young calls Wonderlic reports 'disrespectful'
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- For nearly a week, University of Texas quarterback Vince Young has had his intelligence discussed, dissected and demeaned in the wake of reported Wonderlic test scores at the NFL scouting combine.
Young, who was honored Friday at the 69th annual Maxwell Award ceremonies, would not answer specific questions about the Wonderlic test but did acknowledge how upsetting the reports have been.
"It hurts a little bit, and I think it's very disrespectful. But it's cool, it's cool," Young said. "I know what I can do, and I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing."
Young's agent, Major Adams, brushed off criticism of Young, saying some of it was expected.
"People are going to try to bring him down between the Rose Bowl and the draft day," Adams said. "They will try to take shots at him, and he hasn't done anything wrong, so we just take it with a grain of salt."
The 6-foot-5, 230-pound Young led Texas to a 41-38 Rose Bowl victory over USC in college football's national championship game. He could be a potential No. 1 overall pick by the Houston Texans in next month's NFL draft.
"A rumor is a rumor to me, it's just like high school, they say you kissed some girl, but you really didn't, so that's how I feel about it," said Young, referring to the reported Wonderlic test scores.
Young has kept his sense of humor, and relied on advice from players like Steve McNair, who also faced his share of doubters coming out of college. He's also gotten the support of reigning NFL MVP Shaun Alexander, a fellow honoree at Friday's Maxwell Awards.
"Tests are tests to me," Alexander said. "The key thing with any football player is, what can he do when he gets on the field."
Scouting directors around the league have emphasized the Wonderlic is just a small part of their overall evaluation of Young, and are giving him plenty of tests of their own.
"I don't really care about the criticism, because I'm pretty much used to it," young said. "There's always something about Vince. ... I feel like I've overcome all of that, turned out pretty good, so I want to continue to do that in the NFL as well."
Nice to see the guy is already speaking in the third person. Did I mention he was retarded?
if antonio gates was the eagles TE i STILL take veedee at 14...ya heard!?!?!
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2006, 12:11:25 AM
if antonio gates was the eagles TE i STILL take veedee at 14...ya heard!?!?!
If the Eagles literally only have 10 guys on the roster that play defense, I still take Vernon the D.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 04, 2006, 12:11:25 AM
if antonio gates was the eagles TE i STILL take veedee at 14...ya heard!?!?!
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 04, 2006, 07:58:14 AM
If the Eagles literally only have 10 guys on the roster that play defense, I still take Vernon the D.
So what you guys are saying is that you want the Eagles to draft Vernon Davis, right?
One thing I haven't seen mentioned about VD that I saw from him at Maryland, is his blocking. He makes LJ look sick there, not that it's hard to do. He doesn't take plays off. He is simply a beast. He'd knock any linebacker who would blitz on his ass.
Yep, I've mentioned it. If the kid wasn't a monster blocker, I wouldn't see a reason to get him at all. The key is that he's everything L.J. could hope to be as a playmaker and then some, and he's also a physical, angry blocker... which L.J. is not and is never going to be.
i don't know a damn thing about this davis guy other than what i've read here...but with so many other needs on this team, do you guys really think they'd go te with their 1st pick?
Quote from: hunt on March 05, 2006, 10:28:09 AM
i don't know a damn thing about this davis guy other than what i've read here...but with so many other needs on this team, do you guys really think they'd go te with their 1st pick?
If he is there, absolutely. Davis has the potential to be a total game-breaker. Think about it, he is big enough to play the tight end spot, but is faster and can jump higher than most receivers. Once in the NFL, he probably would have the best skill set of any tight end in the league. No one like VD has ever been seen at the tight end position before. You need a TE in a formation? VD is in there. You opt not to have a TE in? You can line him up as a WR. In a goal line situation where you need a TE in there who is going to put a solid block on a DE or LB? VD. The guy is also renowned for his insane work ethic. He never half-asses anything, and will most likely work his ass off to learn the ins and outs of any system. If he drops to 14, and the Birds pass, it will be a huge mistake IMO.
Pro Day results (http://nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#miafl)
Pro Day Schedule (http://www.gbnreport.com/prodaydates.html)
and some from GBN report
QuoteKR Sizzles at Canes pro day... It wasn't quite the event of past Miami pro days, however, over 100 NFL personnel types representing every team at the league was at Miami's pro day workout on Saturday. Unlike in the past when the top Hurricanes' prospects would routinely pass on working out at the Combine, most of this year's top Hurricane prospects did participate at the Indianapolis event; indeed, a number chose to stand on their Combine results. One who didn't was KR Devin Hester who was a little disappointed with a Combine 40-time in the mid-4.4s. Hester, who played both WR and CB during his Miami career but still doesn't have a position to call his own, bettered his Combine time with 40 clockings in the mid-4.3 range on Saturday. On the other hand, DT Orien Harris probably didn't do much to himself running his 40s in ovr 5.25 seconds. LSU also worked out yesterday, but like the Hurricanes, most Tigers had already worked out at the Combine. One LSU player pro scouts were hoping to get a look at was DT Claude Wroten, who had been a rising star in the 2006 draft class before getting into some legal troubles which have now been resolved. Unfortunately, Wroten who didn't workout at the Combine because of a minor leg injury, pulled up on his first 40 try. Wroten though will get another chance when LSU holds its second scheduled pro day on March 16th.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 05, 2006, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 05, 2006, 10:28:09 AM
i don't know a damn thing about this davis guy other than what i've read here...but with so many other needs on this team, do you guys really think they'd go te with their 1st pick?
If he is there, absolutely. Davis has the potential to be a total game-breaker. Think about it, he is big enough to play the tight end spot, but is faster and can jump higher than most receivers. Once in the NFL, he probably would have the best skill set of any tight end in the league. No one like VD has ever been seen at the tight end position before. You need a TE in a formation? VD is in there. You opt not to have a TE in? You can line him up as a WR. In a goal line situation where you need a TE in there who is going to put a solid block on a DE or LB? VD. The guy is also renowned for his insane work ethic. He never half-asses anything, and will most likely work his ass off to learn the ins and outs of any system. If he drops to 14, and the Birds pass, it will be a huge mistake IMO.
was there this kind of talk about davis before the combine?
He was expected to be the first TE taken, everyone knew he was a great prospect, but what he showed at the combine, especially the speed, really surprised. His workout definately helped improve his stock, and what shows in watching the games, is that he backs all of the workouts up with actual play. I would be really, really surprised if Davis dropped to fourteen at this point, and for good reason.
Quote from: hunt on March 05, 2006, 11:49:41 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on March 05, 2006, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: hunt on March 05, 2006, 10:28:09 AM
i don't know a damn thing about this davis guy other than what i've read here...but with so many other needs on this team, do you guys really think they'd go te with their 1st pick?
If he is there, absolutely. Davis has the potential to be a total game-breaker. Think about it, he is big enough to play the tight end spot, but is faster and can jump higher than most receivers. Once in the NFL, he probably would have the best skill set of any tight end in the league. No one like VD has ever been seen at the tight end position before. You need a TE in a formation? VD is in there. You opt not to have a TE in? You can line him up as a WR. In a goal line situation where you need a TE in there who is going to put a solid block on a DE or LB? VD. The guy is also renowned for his insane work ethic. He never half-asses anything, and will most likely work his ass off to learn the ins and outs of any system. If he drops to 14, and the Birds pass, it will be a huge mistake IMO.
was there this kind of talk about davis before the combine?
Pretty much. But until he put down that 4.38 there wasn't as much buzz. That vaulted him into the big time. But there was talk of him being a stud before, yes.
If he went to Miami or another big timer he'd be much more pimped by the media.
Pretty much. But until he put down that 4.38 there wasn't as much buzz. That vaulted him into the big time. But there was talk of him being a stud before, yes.
If he went to Miami or another big timer he'd be much more pimped by the media.
this is true the fact that he didnt win the mackey award is proof of this...living in the area i happened to see him every week and he is just ridiculous....i remember two years ago they did a special on him in the md weight room...and showed how he just demolished every single lifting record in school history...and did it as a sophomore junior...it was sick
he was just a man among boys in college
hes amazing and the eagles better get him if at all possible
okay...just checking.
mamula scarred me for life.
mamula led the league in running past the quarterback...i used to wait for him to come in from the other side of the screen and make a play ala intellivision football...
vernon davis will run thru and into people and hurt them
I heard Mike Mayuk(sp?) on NFL network talking about Pro Days. He mentioned how most of the Penn State players disappointed at PSU's pro day. I like Hali, Anwar Philips and Alan Zamitis, so if this pushes down their draft status, there's a better chance the Eagles could grab them. I like Hali, but not at #14, and supposedly he didn't run a good enough time to be considered an OLB in a 3-4.
Considering Rod Hood is a RFA and the other backup CBs didn't show much, the Eagles need a CB thru the draft. I don't care how fast Philips and Zamitis ran, they were good college players.
Thoughts, MURP?
They all were good players for my college team and I want no parts of them on my pro team.
Comprehensive Combine #'s (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombinebypos.php?draftyear=2006&GenPos=OT&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC)
interesting, seems that deangelo williams is actually the strongest of the class, i had no idea.
and i totally forgot about cedric humes. if we don't get lendale in the first, which i'm sure we won't, i wouldn't mind picking up humes somewhere in the middle rounds.
zemaitis = matt ware
Chad Greenway LB (6-2 3/8, 240)
ran his 40s in 4.58 and 4.62 seconds. He strained his left hamstring, so he didn't run the shuttles. He also had a 38-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot broad jump and 19 bench presses.
Abdul Hodge LB (6-0 3/8, 233)
ran his 40s in 4.69 and 4.66 seconds. He also had 25 bench presses. In the other tests, he stood on his Combine performances.
Greenway = :bow :drool :cfhead
Quote from: mussa on March 23, 2006, 09:55:18 AM
Greenway = :bow :drool :cfhead
Greenway = massive reach at #14 and, as I've said, basically a taller Simoneau
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 23, 2006, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: mussa on March 23, 2006, 09:55:18 AM
Greenway = :bow :drool :cfhead
Greenway = massive reach at #14 and, as I've said, basically a taller Simoneau
says you.
Quote from: Mike Mayock (NFL.com)Probably the smoothest pass drop LB in this years draft. He can flip his hips, he can run with a running back, he can shut down a TE. He's a guy that can play in a 3-4 scheme he can play in a 4-3 scheme. If he starts to get coached at a particular position at the next level, he has all pro potential.
i'm not a greenway fan either. wasn't he getting torched left and right at one of the all-star games? i thought he was bad in coverage. i guess it just depends who you talk to. regardless, f greenway.
Greenway also played in the slow Big Ten.
^^^^^^!!!!
White LB = no no. [/igy]
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 23, 2006, 12:40:13 PM
Greenway also played in the slow Big Ten.
so did Arrington.
Greenway was great when he had guys like Babineaux and Roth in front of him without them he was just ok. Really don't want to see him as an Eagle, if they were to go LB I would much rather see Demeco Ryans.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on March 23, 2006, 12:53:04 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on March 23, 2006, 12:40:13 PM
Greenway also played in the slow Big Ten.
so did Arrington.
so did AJ Hawk.... so did Julian Peterson... so did Larry Foote...
so did Barry Gardner... so did Dhani Jones.. so did Ike Reese. ha. :paranoid
matt wilhelm
andy katzenmoyer
steve tovar
victor hobson
brandon short
terry killens
mark donofrio
andre collins
van walters
dana howard
ill give you kevin hardy and even whitey karl mecklenberg
mecklenberg- tecmo represent.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 23, 2006, 01:11:26 PM
matt wilhelm
andy katzenmoyer
steve tovar
victor hobson
brandon short
terry killens
mark donofrio
andre collins
van walters
dana howard
ill give you kevin hardy and even whitey karl mecklenberg
Donofrio and Collins were at PSU Pre Big 10 era.
Bush & Justice impress at pro day, LenDale's stock is falling (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-uscpro3apr03,1,5496990.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)
NFL | L. White trying to keep covered
Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:34:44 -0700
Jason Cole, writing for NBCSports.com, reports USC RB LenDale White wore a loose-fitting warm-up suit during his Pro Day in an effort to not show much of his body. He drew audible groans from NFL scouts at the NFL Combine when he showed his chest. After seeing White at the NFL Combine, one NFL general manager said, "The guy needed a bra, it was ridiculous. You come to the combine looking like that and you want to be a first-round pick? Come on. The guy had obviously been doing nothing."
Mansiere or The Bro, you decide. :-D
Quote from: dis12 on April 04, 2006, 02:26:02 PM
NFL | L. White trying to keep covered
Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:34:44 -0700
Jason Cole, writing for NBCSports.com, reports USC RB LenDale White wore a loose-fitting warm-up suit during his Pro Day in an effort to not show much of his body. He drew audible groans from NFL scouts at the NFL Combine when he showed his chest. After seeing White at the NFL Combine, one NFL general manager said, "The guy needed a bra, it was ridiculous. You come to the combine looking like that and you want to be a first-round pick? Come on. The guy had obviously been doing nothing."
Mansiere or The Bro, you decide. :-D
Sounds like he'd be perfect for the taterskins. A backfield on someone that needs a bra, and someone that wears one anyway.
scouts inc. pro day
QuoteA month full of pro day workouts came to a close on Sunday with USC's mega-event appropriately serving as the grand finale. As is the case every year, on-campus workouts have helped to further shape the 2006 draft board. Below is a brief breakdown of the prospects that were most affected, followed by an updated Top 32 that reflects my new rankings.
Pro day risers
Kellen Clemens, quarterback, Oregon
After suffering a season-ending broken ankle during his senior season, Clemens needed a strong postseason in order to regain momentum as a fringe Day 1 prospect. His workout at the combine was just decent, but Clemens put on a show in Eugene, Ore., on March 16 for all talent evaluators in attendance. In my opinion, Clemens is one of the most underrated prospects in this year's class and he warrants consideration in the late second- to third-round range of the upcoming draft.
Antonio Cromartie, cornerback, Florida State
Cromartie missed all of last season with a knee injury but elected to leave school early instead of returning for his final season of eligibility in 2007. There are still questions regarding his rustiness, durability and technique, but Cromartie's physical tools are outstanding. After running two 40-yard dashes in the high 4.3-second range and notching 42 inches on the vertical jump, Cromartie could sneak into the late portion of the first round.
Winston Justice, offensive tackle, USC
Justice (6-foot-6¼, 320 pounds) has some prior off-field issues that could affect his draft status, but most in attendance would agree that he looked like a top-10 pick at USC's pro day. Justice had a strong all-around workout but the most astounding moment had to be when he notched a vertical leap of 39 inches.
Donte Whitner, safety, Ohio State
In what is shaping up as a deep crop of safeties in the 2006 draft class, Whitner was able to separate himself from most by running two 40-yard dash attempts of 4.37 and 4.39 seconds. If Whitner comes off the board in Round 1, it will be his pro day workout that puts him over the edge.
DeAngelo Williams, running back, Memphis
Williams was never going to catch up with Reggie Bush (USC) for the honors of first selection in this year's strong crop of running backs. However, Williams' impressive pro day showing, which included two 40-yard dash attempts in the 4.4-second range, helped propel him to the No. 2 running back spot (ahead of Minnesota's Laurence Maroney and USC's LenDale White) on most NFL teams' draft boards. White's catastrophic postseason hasn't hurt matters for Williams, either.
Pro day fallers
A.J. Nicholson, outside linebacker, Florida State
Not much has gone right for Nicholson since the end of the regular season. On top of an off-field incident that led to his eventual suspension for the 2006 Orange Bowl, Nicholson could muster no better than a 4.75 on a fast track during FSU's pro day. Once considered a possible late first-round pick, Nicholson will be lucky to hear his name called late on the draft's first day.
Michael Robinson, Penn State
Robinson's best fit in the NFL will be as a wide receiver or free safety. He also shows some potential as a return specialist. Unfortunately, Robinson's decision not to work out at the combine and only to work out as a quarterback at Penn State's pro day has left many NFL scouts scratching their heads. Failing to break the 4.5-second plateau in his two 40-yard dash attempts didn't help Robinson's cause, either.
DeMeco Ryans, outside linebacker, Alabama
Ryans was able to improve his 40-yard dash time at Alabama's on-campus workout last month, but he still failed to break the 4.65-second level. Ryans is an instinctive and tough linebacker who should eventually emerge as a solid starter in the NFL, but his lack of ideal "measurables" negatively affected his draft value during the postseason process.
Travis Williams, outside linebacker, Auburn
Williams bulked up to 222 pounds for his March 23 workout on Auburn's campus, which is an improvement from his playing weight of 213 pounds. However, his inability to maintain the quickness and speed that he shows on film was obvious during his workout, where he ran in his two 40-yard dash attempts in the 4.7-second range. As a result, Williams will likely be nothing more than a mid-to-late-round draft selection as a possible sub-package defender that will have to earn his salary on special teams.
LenDale White, running back, USC
White's stock is free-falling after he showed up noticeably out of shape at 244 pounds for USC's pro day, where he cited an injured hamstring as his reason for opting out of the running, agility and position-drill portions of the workout. With only a few weeks remaining before draft weekend, White has very little time left to recover.
Pro day sleepers
Darrell Adams, defensive lineman, Villanova
After a sub-par showing at this year's combine, Adams was able to redeem himself with an impressive all-around workout at Villanova's pro day on March 17. A late-round tweener DE/DT, Adams (6-4 1/8, 275) ran both of his 40-yard dash attempts in the 4.8-second range, while also notching solid results in the vertical jump (30 inches), short shuttle (4.39), three-cone drill (7.58) and bench press (22 reps).
William Buchanon, wide receiver/defensive back, USC
Buchanon (6-3, 191) is a naturally gifted athlete with an impressive combination of size and speed. His instincts are certainly in question after he failed to settle into a starting role at wide receiver or defensive back during his career at USC. However, he turned some heads at his recent pro day workout, where he blazed a 40-yard dash attempt in 4.38 seconds and also showed explosiveness with his results on the broad jump (10-1) and vertical jump (40). In doing so, Buchanon likely earned a spot in the final two rounds of the upcoming draft.
Brett Elliott, QB, Linfield
Elliott was not invited to the combine but he was able to make a strong case for late-round draft consideration with an impressive showing at Portland State's pro day on March 17. Elliott, who was awarded the Gagliardi Trophy as the outstanding football player in NCAA Division III last season, lacks ideal speed and athletic ability but he's a pocket passer that displayed adequate arm strength and impressive accuracy during his passing session.
Travis Lulay, QB, Montana State
Lulay is an intriguing late-round prospect who was able to build on a solid combine showing with an even more impressive pro day workout at Montana State on March 22. Lulay ran his two 40 attempts in the sub-4.7-second range, which was an improvement from his combine times. He also notched impressive results in the short shuttle (4.06), three-cone drill (6.79) and vertical jump (37½). Lulay was a bit erratic at times but he displays a strong arm and enough athletic ability to warrant late-round consideration as a developmental project.
Paul McQuistan, OT, Weber State
McQuistan is one of the fast-rising offensive line prospects in the 2006 draft class. He was a dominant player at the small school level who has been able to impress scouts during the postseason process. He had solid outings at the East-West Shrine Game, as well as at the combine. However, McQuistan saved his best for last, as he turned heads with his performance in position drills at Weber State's pro day. Notching 28 reps on the 225-pound bench press also helped McQuistan's cause as a fringe Day 1 prospect.
DeMeco Ryans, outside linebacker, Alabama
Ryans was able to improve his 40-yard dash time at Alabama's on-campus workout last month, but he still failed to break the 4.65-second level. Ryans is an instinctive and tough linebacker who should eventually emerge as a solid starter in the NFL, but [/u] his lack of ideal "measurables" negatively affected his draft value during the postseason process.
in a nut shell the above write up is why you dont pay attention to this ridiculous combine pro day garbage
If Ryans falls to #45, the Eagles should pounce on him with teh quickness.
I like Kellen Clemens to be the QB the Birds pick if Gradkowski is off the board.
ESPN is reporting that LenDale has a torn hamstring...
Quote from: BigEd76 on April 13, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
ESPN is reporting that LenDale has a torn hamstring...
I heard that too, and I gotta call bullshtein. WHy not just say you have a bum hamstring? Why skip all of the workouts, etc., with no explanation. As far as I know, he never said during the whole deal that he was hurting. Damage control, and a zesty job of it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977
The MRI confirmed its torn. How can you call bullshtein? ???
So, who's back on the "get LenDale" train?
I'm not.
I was never on that sumbitch.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on April 13, 2006, 10:03:10 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977
The MRI confirmed its torn. How can you call bullshtein? ???
Magic.
I prefer to jump from conclusion to conclusion. Keeps my quads and hamstrings in good working order....
Just found this on PFT though:
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MORE RED FLAGS FOR LENDALE
USC running back LenDale White is trying to counter scuttlebutt regarding his abysmal April 2 pro day workout by disclosing that he has a potentially serious injury.
An MRI of White's leg reportedly shows that he has a torn hamstring.
Compounding the problem is that the diagnosis wasn't made by a medical doctor, but by a chiropractor. Hey, Randall Eldridge might be the best damn back-cracker that ever cracked a back, but the fact that a real doctor isn't vouching for the injury makes it much harder for anyone to accept the explanation, or the diagnosis.
Moreover, there really isn't much time for 32 NFL teams to eyeball LenDale's hammy between now and April 29.
So despite the best efforts of ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli to slap some spit and polish onto a very bad situation (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2407977) , we think that LenDale will still free fall on draft day.
Unless, of course, this whole ruse is part of a broader plan to ensure that White will still be on the board when the Broncos turn in the card with the name of the 22nd overall pick in the draft.
I know, PFT is always the most credible source. :yay
It says in the ESPN article that you posted the guy who examined him was a chiropractor. PFT is simply paraphrasing your much more credible source, Fat Len.
my favorite part about Lendales hammy issues was the quote about how he hurt his hamstring doing bench press. If anyone sees that quote again please post it.
QuoteNFL | More about J. Lewis workout
Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:00:13 -0700
The Washington Post reports George Mason basketball player Jai Lewis finished his 20-yard shuttle drill in approximately 4.6 seconds during his workout for NFL scouts Thursday, April 20. Lewis was tested in the vertical jump, reaching about 28 inches, and in the standing broad jump, traveling about 8 feet 8 inches. He has not yet started weight training and did not do the bench press, a standard pre-draft exercise. Speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of player assessments, several scouts said Lewis has ample room for improvement and will need to convince NFL teams that he hungers for the aggression and violence of professional football. Still, they said his athleticism and explosiveness were impressive, particularly after he left the track surface for the football turf. Lewis went through drills for defensive ends, tight ends and offensive linemen, but scouts said his attributes and 6-foot-5, 292-pound frame likely were best suited for the offensive line.