The weigh-in's (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/weighin.html)
A few notables;
Quote• Tamba Hali, Penn St.
6022 267
* Looked extremely cut.
Quote• Elvis Dumervil (DE), Louisville
5112 258
* Had a beer belly!
He'll have to be a 3-4 OLB since he's 5-11.
Quote• Brodrick Bunkley (DT), Florida St.
6023 300
* Cut and carries his weight VERY well.
Keep an eye on him -- maybe a guy the Birds look at.
Quote• Michael Robinson, Penn St.
6010 218
* Looked lean and athletic.
Quote• Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
6052 262
* Tall with very long arms
Quote• Orien Harris (DT), Miami (FL)
6030 302
* Carries his weight well.
Quote• Jesse Mahelona (DT), Tennessee
6000 311
* Looked a little flabby.
• Babatunde Oshinowo (DT), Stanford
6013 302
* Stout, solid and cut.
• Darryl Tapp (DE), Virginia Tech
6012 257
* Looked very strong and cut.
Quote• Chad Greenway, Iowa
6021 242
* Solid and very athletic
Not the 6'4 listed at in Iowa
QuoteThomas Howard, U.T.E.P.
6027 234
* Lean and extremely athletic.
Quote• Freddie Roach, Alabama
6015 255
* Very thick and solid.
• DeMeco Ryans, Alabama
6011 229
* Looked pretty thin.
Please to define: "carries his weight well."
Merci.
Means that he doesn't really look 302 pounds. Basically that's a cut 302 and not sloppy.
More young Shatner than Old Scottie.
Runyan 330 compared to Hollis 330
i bet we take Joe Klopfenstein. i can't wait to get that jersey.
I can't believe Hali weighed in at 267. I thought he was no more than 240.
Either way, he plays like 240.
I still wonder what Mike Robinson might become in the NFL.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2006, 09:03:47 PM
Merci.
Please don't go french on us Dio. That's very NB-ish.
fix your post, loser.
I almost didn't know how to fix that. :paranoid
Only took you 3 tries.
Dumbass.
Really...how did you know?
- Im surprised by how small DJ Shockley and Elvis Dumerville are.
- Garrett Mills didnt even crack 6'1. heh. and is listed under FB.
- Tamba much heavier than I thought.
- Taitusi Lutui, I thought this guy would weigh in at 400lbs. ha.
- That page reminded me of Darryl Tapp. Love that guys attitude. :yay
Practice notes (http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/senior1.html)
QuoteJeremy Trueblood, OT, Boston College, must have cried a little on the inside when he saw his match up in 1-on-1 drills. Trueblood's main weakness is his inability to stop speed rushers. Unfortunately for Trueblood he was matched up against one the best speed rushers in Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State. As expected, Hali blew by Trueblood every time.
QuoteBrodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State is going to see his stock rise after his impressive first day showing. At a muscular 6'2" and 300 he showed incredible agility and power while attacking the rusher. He's the type of run stuffing defensive tackle NFL coaches must have to be successful.
QuoteAnother north QB, Michael Robinson of Penn State, was very disappointing and showed why most scouts believe he will have to play another position in the NFL. He showed poor footwork and an inaccurate arm today.
Brodrick Bunkley is a guy who I am really starting to like more.
Another thing to watch and hope for is that Jay Cutler keeps up his good showings and moves into the top 13. If he does that helps the Birds out by having a player slide down. Same thing with LenDale White. If he goes to ARZ or someone else ahead of the Birds it helps us.
phreak i dont know if youre around a tv or not but the senior bowl practices are on espn right now
mel seems a little bit down on your boy kiwanuka
I'm with you on that one Phreak... I see nothing but praise for the kid. The more I read, the more I like.
--From NFLDraftCountdown:
Monday's North Squad notes:
QuoteThe day started with Penn State's Michael Robinson getting some work and coaching as a return man and if I were him I'd get as much experience elsewhere as possible because it is clear he is not going to play quarterback at the pro level. Robinson was inaccurate and didn't throw a good ball and it was so bad that I though he just may have been nervous but there was little improvement throughout the day,
QuoteThe guy who stood out to me at wide receiver was Notre Dame's Maurice Stovall, who took coaching really well, showed big hands to snatch the ball and gave great effort as a blocker. USC tight end Dominique Byrd did a nice job blocking as well while Joe Klopfenstein of Colorado made a nice catch downfield.
QuotePerhaps the premier showcase of the day was D'Brickashaw Ferguson of Virginia taking on defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka of Boston College. D'Brick is a physical marvel and looks like a basketball player and while Kiwi held his own I'd have to give the edge to Ferguson in the majority of their battles. This is going to be a fun matchup to watch all week!
QuoteDid someone say defensive linemen? Gabe Watson of Michigan was very impressive, showing great quickness off the ball and tremendous power on the bull rush. Virginia Tech's Darryl Tapp had a lot of trouble going up against Daryn Colledge while Tamba Hali was singled out by coaches numerous times and given instructions and advice. The guy to watch though might be Victor Adeyanju of Indiana, who made some plays and got a lot of attention from coaches.
Monday's South Squad Notes:
QuoteU.C.L.A. tight end Marcedes Lewis presented a big target for the passer and was just physically impressive with his size and athletic frame. Two of the bigger stars on this roster in terms of the NFL Draft are Eric Winston of Miami and Marcus McNeill of Auburn. Winston was quick off the snap, has great feet and uses his hands well, while McNeill showed up and practiced after being absent from the weigh-in this morning. Jonathan Scott of Texas was almost dominant, consistently whipping his opponent while showing a lot of potential as a left tackle prospect. On the other end of the spectrum Cody Douglas of Tennessee struggled with speed while New Mexico center Ryan Cook was slow off the snap and did not impress
QuoteAlong the defensive line Florida State's Brodrick Bunkley was very impressive, showing great power and quickness to the ball carrier.
QuoteAfterwards scouts wandered onto the field to chat up players, with Cleveland talking to Parys Haralson, the Giants to Thomas Howard, Kansas City with Greg Blue, Philly with Kelly Jennings and Eric Winston drawing interest from a number of teams
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2006, 02:32:25 PM
phreak i dont know if youre around a tv or not but the senior bowl practices are on espn right now
mel seems a little bit down on your boy kiwanuka
Thanks for the heads up, man. I'm going to go put it on now. :yay
They just said that Manny Lawson was the only player to "grow" from his listed numbers. He is listed at 6'5 and not 6'4.
I think Lawson could end up as a SAM in the NFL.
Tamba Hali just went against Darryn Colledge and was muscled to the ground.
They're showing 1-1 DL-OL drills now
They're talking about how Gabe Watson needs a big week, which I agree. That guy is built but he needs to step it up.
Hali just went again and slipped down. Mark May said that Jeff Fisher loves how Hali uses his hands to free himself.
Edit...
IGY, I think Mel has been down on Kiwi for awhile now. If I recall correctly he had Kiwi dropping to 22 in his mock.
Nick Mangold (OSU-C) is doing well.
They're talking about how Gabe Watson needs a big week
thats what mel said several times about kiwanuka...sai that all his sacks came in three games this year and that he needs to show consistentcy and technique improvements
There was alot of rumor talk about Gabe Watsons lack of consistent effort in days at Michigan. Are they bringing that up at all or is it just BS?
It seems to have some merit. He is a physical specimen, but just hasn't had the results to go with the build.
His role looks to be one like Ted Washington....just be a big body clogging up the A gaps and occupying two blockers. The difference with Watson is he can flow to the ball well down the line.
andy please remove mark mays penis from your mouth immediately if not sooner
Mark May doing a fluff interview with Big Red:
-Alot of talent at this bowl
-Watching a lot of the OL & DL
-McNabb is improving, staying in Philadelphia so far to rehab and workout
Meh.
mark may: what is the best drill out here that enables you to judge a players talent
in the gayest voice you can possibly imagine...
andy: well if i could get a lineman here as good as you id go out there and steal him
yes he totally ignored the question and said that
Thats his way of giving a no-answer answer. He does it all the time. I'm surprised that he even di an interview at all.
From ESPN Insider:
QuoteUpdated: January 24, 9:17 AM ET
Monday's buzz: Adeyanju, Norwood surprise scouts
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ESPN.com
MOBILE, Ala. -- Here's the buzz from Monday's Senior Bowl practices:
Weights and measures
Senior Bowl 2006 kicked off on Monday at 10:30 a.m. CT with the annual weigh-in session. At that point, it was announced that Louisville DE Elvis Dumervil, N.C. State DB Marcus Hudson, Auburn WR Ben Obomanu, Stanford LB Jon Alston, Oklahoma LB Clint Ingram, Northwestern State DB David Pittman and Oregon RB Terrence Whitehead were all late additions to the Senior Bowl rosters. Arizona State WR Derek Hagan was moved from the South to the North roster in order to even out the numbers, giving each team 50 players.
Of those 100 players, Boston College OT Jeremy Trueblood was the tallest (6-foot-7 7/8), and Miami WR Sinorice Moss was the shortest (5-7 7/8). Georgia OG Max Jean-Gilles was the heaviest (358 pounds), while Miami CB Kelly Jennings was the lightest (171 pounds). Oklahoma OG Davin Joseph had the biggest hand-span (11 1/4) and Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson had the longest arms (36 1/4).
Players' heights and weights always have a tendency to be either exaggerated in one direction or the other, which is what makes the weigh-in process a necessary evil.
Ferguson looks in great shape and his long arms are important for the offensive tackle position, but his lack of bulk at 297 pounds really stood out. Maryland ILB D'Qwell Jackson, who weighed in at 228 pounds, will also be hurt on draft day by his lack of size. Finally, there are several tall prospects in this year's group of Senior Bowl wide receivers, including Notre Dame's Maurice Stovall (6-4 1/8), Miami of Ohio's Martin Nance (6-3 7/8), New Mexico's Hank Baskett (6-2 1/2) and the Auburn duo of Anthony Mix (6-4) and Devin Aromashodu (6-2 1/8).
Around the North practice
Of the three quarterbacks on this roster (Clemson's Charlie Whitehurst, Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler and Penn State's Michael Robinson), Cutler has the strongest arm and Whitehurst has the quickest delivery. Cutler was a bit erratic, but he showed the ability to fit the ball into tight spots today and impressive mobility. Whitehurst is not nearly as mobile and had trouble with his consistency on the deep ball, but he does have very good touch and timing as a passer. It is only one week, but the experience of working with quarterback guru Norm Chow (Titans' offensive coordinator) certainly can't hurt either of these two future NFL quarterbacks.
Two separate NFL scouts said they would draft Cutler ahead of USC's Matt Leinart and Texas' Vince Young.
Robinson is clearly the most mobile of the three, but his overall passing skills are nowhere near on par with the other two North quarterbacks in this game. Robinson did do some pre-practice work catching balls as a return specialist, but he did not get any reps at running back or wide receiver. Game officials obviously want Robinson to spend most of his time at quarterback for repetition purposes in practice, but he would be much better served to spend the rest of the week trying to showcase his talents as an offensive skill player in front of NFL scouts.
• Oregon RB Charlie Whitehead seemed to be pushing too hard today as a late addition to the roster. His fumble during unit drills will not help the cause.
• Washington State RB Jerome Harrison checked in even smaller than expected (5-9 1/8, 196), which will hurt his chances of sneaking into the latter stages of the draft's first day. However, he did show impressive quickness and receiving skills. Harrison's showed on a couple of occasions that he is capable of catching the ball over his shoulder on vertical routes.
• Colorado's Lawrence Vickers is a tweener RB/FB type that will need to improve his size, strength and blocking technique in order to make it in the NFL. He did, however, run very good routes and caught everything in site during today's pass-filled unit drills.
• Ferguson stood out as clearly the most agile offensive lineman the North roster today. However, Ohio State OC Nick Mangold turned in the most impressive overall performance. Mangold has adequate size and feet to go along with his outstanding technique and explosive power. He is polished and should be ready to start as a rookie in the NFL.
• Michigan NT Gabe Watson was the most dominating of the North defensive linemen this afternoon. He shows outstanding initial quickness and power for such a massive player (6-3 1/4, 341). Watson is giving a great effort so far in front of all the NFL scouts, but his erratic motor on film will not be forgotten by NFL scouts.
• Perhaps the most impressive individual play of either practice was turned in by Indiana DE Victor Adeyanju during one-on-one sessions versus offensive linemen. Instead of tyring to beat mammoth OT Ryan O'Callaghan around the edge with speed, Adeyanju absolutely blew O'Callaghan up with a bull-rush move that displayed his explosive power.
• Virginia Tech DE Darryl Tapp twisted his ankle relatively early in practice and wound up sitting out most of the remaining drills. He was taped up but continued to walk with a limp.
• Boston College WR/DC/RS Will Blackmon played exclusively at the cornerback position this afternoon. He has added some bulk and looks to be in excellent shape. Blackmon also stood out as one of the most fluid athletes on the field. He did not play much cornerback for the Eagles this season, though, so his coverage skills were understandably rusty. More than anything, it seemed that he was playing conservatively and was getting late jumps so to protect himself from giving up the deep pass. Consequently, Blackmon did not have a jersey number on today and there has been no word as to if or when he will get some reps at the wide receiver position this week.
• It was only one day of practice, but Nebraska's Daniel Bullocks already stands out as an underrated prospect. He showed good versatility in drills, displaying the ability to hold up in deep-zone coverage as well as matching up as an in-the-box fourth-linebacker type. With his good size and impressive fluidity, Bullocks could become a versatile starter at the safety position in the NFL. If he continues to play as well as he did today, Bullocks stands to increase his draft stock significantly during Senior Bowl week.
Around the South practice
Alabama QB Brodie Croyle is an obvious fan favorite here in Mobile, but he did not have his best performance today. The quarterback position is the toughest to play in these all-star games because there is so much being thrown at these young men while they all are still tyring to get a grasp of the system, adjust to a different center exchange and develop timing with receivers. With that in mind, Croyle's timing seemed off as a passer. He missed a few open receivers and he was tentative with several of his throws. He does show good arm strength and a quick release as a passer, though.
• The player that arguably struggled the most was Georgia QB D.J. Shockley. The dual-threat quarterback shows outstanding mobility, but his mechanics as a passer are poor and he was entirely too erratic in today's drills.
• Memphis RB DeAngelo Williams is one of the top prospects playing in this year's Senior Bowl, but it was Mississippi State RB Jerious Norwood that had scouts buzzing during practice today. Norwood checked in at just under 6-0 and at 205 pounds. He looks to be in excellent shape and has the frame to pack on another 10 pounds in the future, which will likely need to be the case in order to hold up physically in the NFL. What stood out most, however, was Norwood's explosive burst and top-end speed during drills today. He hit the hole faster than any of the other South running backs today, including Williams, and he also showed impressive hands as a receiver in passing drills.
• Ben Obomanu is the smallest of the three Auburn receivers playing in this game, but he impressed scouts with a couple of acrobatic, leaping catches during practice. Obomanu's teammate, OT Marcus McNeill, was absent from the weigh-in session, but he shined as the most physically dominating offensive lineman on the field at the South practice this afternoon.
• Georgia DS Greg Blue has great size and is a powerful hitter in run support, but his lack of ideal coverage skills stood out during defensive back drills today. At 6-1 7/8, 220, Blue might be better off as a weakside linebacker in the NFL, especially for teams like the Colts and Buccaneers that emphasize speed over size on their defensive units.
Scouts Inc. provided today's Senior Bowl buzz.
QuoteMonday, January 23, 2006
Hali, Hill, Smith, Watson shine for North defense
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By Mel Kiper Jr.
Special to ESPN Insider
MOBILE, Ala. -- Clemson cornerback Tye Hill was one of the most impressive players at Monday's North practice at the Senior Bowl. He was fluid, showed great feet and terrific ball awareness. Hill had some drops of potential interceptions, though, and needs to work on his hands. His man-to-man coverage skills could elevate him into the late portions of the first round.
CB Will Blackmon struggled during Monday's practice.
Will Blackmon struggled at corner. He had some at corner during his time at Boston College, but the Eagles moved him to wide receiver in 2005 and used him in the return game. Ultimately, Blackmon will probably have to play WR to make it in the NFL.
Penn State CB Anwar Phillips had some ups and downs today. He looked like a second-round pick coming into Mobile, but he didn't help himself today. Phillips was stiff in the hips and wasn't real fluid. He just didn't look as athletically gifted today as he did at Penn State. Phillips needs to be more productive during the week.
Anthony Smith was one of the most impressive players on the North defense. The Syracuse safety showed good hands and was very alert. It looks likes Smith has grasped the defensive scheme already.
Nebraska safety Daniel Bullocks performed well in coverage.
LB Chad Greenway looks the part -- and plays well, too. He was fluid and athletic in practice.
D'Quell Jackson could be a nice fit at linebacker in the right system. The Maryland product showed a lot of speed and good tackling ability.
DL Gabe Watson underachieved at Michigan, but he had a lot of power in his pass rush during Monday's practice. He drove the center or guard back 75 percent of the time today. He has a chance to really help himself this week.
Tamba Hali showed a great motor and quickness off the ball. The Penn State DE showed the ability to get great leverage.
DE Mathias Kiwanuka from Boston College is a great athlete, but needs some technique work. D'Brickashaw Ferguson got the best of him in Monday's practice.
Oklahoma DL Dusty Dvoracek was neutralized some, but picked up the pace later during the one-on-one pass drills. He hustles and will give you everything he has.
WR Demetrius Williams from Oregon had a nice day. He showed great body control and caught the ball well with his hands. Williams showed some quickness. He looks like a pretty good player.
Oklahoma WR Travis Wilson caught the ball, showed some separation speed and exhibited toughness in traffic.
Maurice Stovall showed good hands in Monday's practice.
WR Maurice Stovall from Notre Dame lumbered a little bit, but he showed enough separation for a big guy. Stovall has very good hands and should go late in the first round or early in the second.
Speed is an issue for Michigan wideout Jason Avant. He didn't seperate well and will struggle to beat corners on deep routes. However, Avant did show good hands and is a natural receiver.
Arizona State WR Derek Hagan is a polished player and a good route runner, but has a tendency to drop some balls. He had at least three drops on Monday.
Dominque Byrd was impressive in practice. The USC tight end showed good body control, athleticism, good blocking and effortless pass-catching ability. He does need to get stronger.
TE Joe Klopfenstein from Colorado is interesting. He did not handle blocking responsibilities like he needed to, but he showed speed and great hands. Klopfenstein could be a good option as a move tight end in the NFL.
QB Jay Cutler threw some nice balls. The Vanderbilt product has a live arm and was fairly accurate, but he had a couple of throws that were off.
Look for Penn State QB Michael Robinson to change positions. I think he will have to move to wide receiver or safety. Robinson is not accurate throwing the football.
Washington State RB Jerome Harrison showed quickness. He has a low center of gravity and does a good job getting lost behind his blockers.
QB Michael Robinson was not accurate during Monday's practice.
Lawrence Vickers is the best fullback prospect in the draft. The Colorado product showed that he can do it all. Vickers can run, catch and block. He could move up into the third or fourth round.
Center Marvin Philip from Cal struggled. More of a finesse player, Philip was overpowered. He needs to show more strength and the ability to take on big defensive tackles.
However, Nick Mangold showed a lot of athletic ability at center. The Ohio State product did a good job anchoring the line. He showed more strength than many thought he had.
OL Ryan O'Callaghan from Cal was beaten once in practice, but ended up doing a nice job.
Virginia OL D'Brickashaw Ferguson did a great job against BC standout DE Mathias Kiwanuka. He went one-on-one with Kiwanuka several times and neutralized him. Ferguson is a top-five pick.
OL Mark Setterstrom has a lot of experience, but the four-year starter from Minnesota is more of an overachiever. He was beaten too often today.
Boston College OL Jeremy Trueblood did well in some instances, but he is so tall (6-foot-8) that shorter DLs like Tamba Hali got under him and got a leverage advantage.
Boise State OL Daryn Colledge is more of a finesse guy. He gave up too much ground in pass protection and was overpowered.
USC OL Deuce Lutui is huge and quick. He showed good feet and good athleticism. He did a great job in the one-on-one drills. Lutui is a solid second-round pick.
Oklahoma's Davin Joseph will struggle at tackle in the NFL, but has some skills to play guard.
Colorado punter John Torp was a little methodical getting the ball off. He did get a couple of punts to turn over, but he also had some bad kicks. Torp needs to pick up the pace.
Defensive players who shined Monday
Safety Anthony Smith, Syracuse
Cornerback Tye Hill, Clemson
Defensive lineman Gabe Watson, Michigan
Defensive end Tamba Hali, Penn State
Safety Daniel Bullucks, Nebraska
Defensive players who struggled Monday
Cornerback Will Blackmon, Boston College
Cornerback Anwar Phillips, Penn State
Linebacker Clint Ingram, Oklahoma
Defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka, Boston College
Offensive players who shined Monday
Wide receiver Demetrius Williams, Oregon
Wide receiver Maurice Stovall, Notre Dame
Offensive lineman Nick Mangold, Ohio State
Offensive lineman D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
Offensive lineman Deuce Lutui, USC
Tight end Dominique Byrd, USC
Offensive players who struggled Monday
Wide receiver Jason Avant, Michigan
Offensive lineman Marvin Philip, Cal
Offensive lineman Mark Setterstrom, Minnesota
Offensive lineman Daryn Colledge, Boise State
Wide receiver Derek Hagan, Arizona State
QuoteLook for Penn State QB Michael Robinson to change positions. I think he will have to move to wide receiver or safety. Robinson is not accurate throwing the football.
Washington State RB Jerome Harrison showed quickness. He has a low center of gravity and does a good job getting lost behind his blockers.
QB Michael Robinson was not accurate during Monday's practice.
I wonder if Mike Robinson is accurate enough to play QB in the NFL.
I've got the NFL Network on now and the guy who is anchoring the coverage?
Michael Barkann.
That shocks me a little bit. DIdn't know he was a college football guy nor did I know he was on the NFL Network.
I like the NFLN coverage better than ESPN. Better audio.
From the GBN Report:
QuoteThis is not supposed to be a good draft year at WR, however, don't tell Notre Dame's Maurice Stovall, who may have been the best player on the field this morning. Stovall, who some observers thought might be better suited to playing TE at the next level, weighed in at a very svelte 216 pounds on Monday – he was listed at 236 – and got plenty of separation on just about every rout he ran this morning. The 6-4 Stovall is a big, physical receiver who was very smooth on the break with decent upfield acceleration. Stovall, though, had a chance to put an exclamation point on his day during 11-on-11 action, but dropped an easy pass for what would have been a big gainer after beating two defenders to get wide open
QuoteThe highlight of the morning may have been the 11-on-11 action when a pair of potential first rounders – Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Boston College DE Mathias Kiwanauka – went head-to-head. There weren't enough plays for a knockout, but give the decision to Ferguson. The rangy Ferguson, the top-rated player at any position in Mobile, showed very quick feet and got great arm extension to keep himself between the QB and defender. If there is a bit of a knock on Ferguson is that he plays a little too high when blocking in space and doesn't get great leverage on the move. For his part, Kiwanuka showed an explosive first step, but wasn't able to disengage if he didn't beat his man with his first move. Kiwanuka, though, did beat Boise State OT Daryn Colledge with a terrific spin move that would have been a sack had he been allowed to hit the QB. And actually other than that play with Kiwanuka, Colledge also showed solid skills at LT; Colledge consistently beat his man to the punch and locked as he kept his feet moving and arms extended. Minnesota OG Mark Setterstrom was also solid, in particular stuffing Michigan DT Gabe Watson on a passing rushing drill. Watson, in fact, wasn't very good on the one-on-one drills, but was very disruptive in the full 11-on-11 action.
Ok, count me in all the way on the Broderick Bunkley bandwagon.
They're doing a focus piece on him and he is FAST for a 300lb dude. His sideline pursuit is very good.
Bunkley + Patterson = stud DTs.
And of course Bunkley now seems a little shaken up now.
I don't know if Kiwi is any better a prospect than Hali after following some of this coverage.
If the Eagles got Abraham we wouldn't have to worry about it DE busts. DE is too important to risk a bust on a draft pick.
Quote from: Philly Forever on January 24, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
If the Eagles got Abraham we wouldn't have to worry about it DE busts. DE is too important to risk a bust on a draft pick.
One of the worst posts ive seen in a long time. Theres busts at everyone position, you know.
One of the worst posts ive seen in a long time.
no
Quote from: Dillen37 on January 24, 2006, 05:28:11 PM
Quote from: Philly Forever on January 24, 2006, 05:15:14 PM
If the Eagles got Abraham we wouldn't have to worry about it DE busts. DE is too important to risk a bust on a draft pick.
One of the worst posts ive seen in a long time. Theres busts at everyone position, you know.
I'm saying, since we need DE help so bad, it's not worth the risk of drafting Kiwanuka or Hali. Both very questionable players coming out. If it were Mario Williams who is more of a sure thing then I'd be all for it. Abraham is a proven 10 or 11 sack man. Kiwanuka and Hali both are questionable. Sure every player COULD be a bust, but some more than others, and the Eagles aren't in a position where they can play guessing games at this position.
From NFLDraftCountdown:
Tuesday North Notes:
QuotePenn State's Michael Robinson was a little better today but is still clearly out of his league as a quarterback with this group
QuoteIt was a terrible day for the wideouts as nobody could catch a cold, with Jason Avant of Michigan looking particularly bad as he wasn't able to separate and dropped a bunch of passes. Demetrius Williams of Oregon had some drops as well. Notre Dame's Maurice Stovall probably looked the best of the bunch but that isn't saying much and even he bobbled and dropped a ball. After showing off his blocking skills yesterday Dominique Byrd of USC had a couple of catches and displayed good hands while Colorado's Joe Klopfenstein had another catch about 20 yards down the field. Along the offensive line D'Brickashaw Ferguson continues to impress while Ryan O'Callaghan of Cal and Daryn Colledge of Boise St. were both excellent again as well. Southern Cal's Deuce Lutui struggled mightily while Mark Setterstrom of Minnesota bounced back with a good day.
QuoteOn defense Gabe Watson of Michigan is still a stud and although he isn't much of a pass rusher he gets great push and penetration versus the run. If I am a 3-4 team in need of a nose tackle he is at or near the top of my list because he could be outstanding in that role. Boston College's Mathias Kiwanuka battled Ferguson and Colledge a lot but I have noticed he really lacks a variety of pass rush moves and is basically an outside speed rusher. He needs to diversify if he wants to be a star at the pro level because what he does now just will not get the job done on a consistent basis. On the injury front, Jonathan Lewis of Virginia Tech sat out practice and was in shorts after getting nicked up yesterday. At linebacker Chad Greenway of Iowa continued to be a leader and coach on the field while looking natural in coverage and Brian Iwuh of Colorado impressed and displayed great range.
QuoteAs I said there were a lot of big names around the field today, including Charley Casserly, Nick Saban, Romeo Crennel, Jon Gruden (who took a special interest in the defensive backs) and Andy Reid just to name a few. Once again scouts scampered onto the field following practice to talk with prospects and here is a rundown of who I saw each team with: San Diego had a major presence and they were seen talking to Joe Klopfenstein, Martin Nance, Davin Joseph, and Charles Spencer. The Dallas Cowboys gave a lot of attention to Gabe Watson while Miami chatted up Charlie Whitehurst. Cleveland spoke with Maurice Stovall, Abdul Hodge, Dominique Byrd, Babatunde Oshinowo, Davin Joseph, Victor Adeyanju, and Demetrius Williams. The Jets were seen with Mathias Kiwanuka and Michael Robinson, the Giants with Chad Greenway, the taterskins with Dominique Byrd and the Eagles with Tye Hill, David Pittman, Mike Bell, and Michael Robinson. Meanwhile Kansas City showed interest in Gabe Watson, Davin Joseph, Mark Setterstrom, Anwar Phillips, Michael Robinson, and Deuce Lutui. Cincinnati was also making the rounds and was seen with Brian Iwuh, Jon Alston, Davin Joseph, Darryl Tapp and Nick Mangold. D'Brickashaw Ferguson was chatted up by scouts from Carolina and Cleveland while Denver and the Panthers talked with Cedric Humes. Carolina was also extremely active and others they were seen with include Maurice Stovall, Jason Avant, Derek Hagan, and Terrence Whitehead. Finally, Jacksonville had two scouts with Anthony Smith, Baltimore was with D'Qwell Jackson and Lawrence Vickers, and both Tennessee and Oakland spoke with Darrell Hunter. As you can see it was real active! Overall it was a good day and this squad got a lot more exposure and attention than they did on Monday.
Quotewhile Michael Robinson is going to see some action as a slot receiver
That's from Scott Wright's blog.
michael robinson will be drafted by the eagles. blaow
Quote from: mussa on January 24, 2006, 10:44:56 PM
michael robinson will be drafted by the eagles. blaow
What for, exactly?
QuoteNCAA | Robinson could remain at quarterback
Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:06:03 -0800
Paul Kuharsky, of the Tennessean, reports Penn State QB Michael Robinson said he's received some encouragement about staying at the position he played in college, though many are projecting him as a wide receiver. Robinson said he could wind up also doing some work as a receiver or running back at the combine or in a private workout to open up his options. Tennessee Titans head coach Jeff Fisher, head coach of the North team at the Senior Bowl, said he also might insert a package that will get Robinson some work at wide receiver.
who's giving him encouragement to stay at QB? probably other QBs at the Senior Bowl.
To all that are providing updates on the Senior Bowl--thanks very much, since we don't get the updates on the practices that you guys are getting. We're getting SB coverage on "NFL Access" on the North American Sports Network, but nothing on the college bowl.
From Football's Future
QuoteThe big news today was Michael Robinson, QB, Penn State participating in drills at RB and WR at the request of NFL personal. Robinson has been horrible at the QB position all week. He's missed receivers, thrown interceptions and has proved to the surprise of no one that he has no chance of playing QB in the NFL. Fortunately for him NFL personal know that he is an incredible talent and think he has a future in the NFL at another position. In RB/WR drills he was very rusty and didn't show much. Had he embraced the WR position from day one of practices he could have helped himself earn a lot of money. Just ask Matt Jones, who last year at the Senior Bowl put on a show after switching from QB to WR. He ended up being a first round pick.
Another quarterback who is proving he has no business in the NFL is Georgia's DJ Shockley. He continued his awful play today by throwing inaccurate pass after inaccurate pass. His south receivers where more then a little frustrated that their chances to impress scouts were being literally thrown away by Shockley. It's doubtful that Shockley will even be drafted.
On the positive side of quarterback play; Croyle, Cutler, and Whitehurst all impressed. Brodie Croyle was once again the most impressive QB at either practice and has solidified his second round status. Jay Cutler showed off his cannon and is being talked about as a top ten prospect, passing even Vince Young on many draft boards.
Robinson might be rusty as RB or WR, but he'll still get a late-round shot, FWIW.
From ESPN Insider...
QuoteThe big news coming out of the afternoon practice was Michael Robinson finally getting some reps as a wide receiver. Robinson continued to play the quarterback position during some of the unit drills and team sessions, but he spent a lot of time during the first half of practice working on his route-running and pass-catching skills.
Robinson understandably dropped a few catchable passes and looked extremely raw running routes. However, he received a lot of instruction from coaches and showed some improvement as practice progressed. Robinson is a fluid athlete with decent speed for the wide receiver position. He is a strong runner with very good vision and toughness.
The former Penn State standout could possibly contribute in a versatile role in the NFL as a third-down back and slot receiver. He also showed upside as a return specialist and got some work shagging balls off the JUGS machine during special teams sessions at the end of practice.
Uh-oh for Kiwi...
QuoteMonday (1/23/06): Kiwanuka added some bulk but still looks to be in very good shape. He shows very good initial burst and speed off the edge as a pass rusher. He gives a good effort and shows a good motor in practice, but he did not make many big plays today. Kiwanuka did not stand out as an elite prospect. He seems a bit tentative at times. His biggest problem today was getting off of blocks. He needs to do a better job with his hands and improve his array of pass rush moves.
Tuesday (1/24/06): Kiwanuka has some rare gifts for an edge player with his pure speed and outstanding frame and arm length. Just due to his size, Kiwanuka stood out amongst an undersized group of defensive ends from the North, but he didn't make all that many plays in Tuesday's practice and his off-the-ball quickness is rather ordinary. What is not ordinary however, is his ability to eat up ground with his huge strides. As a pass rusher, he doesn't explode off the snap, but gains ground very quickly and also uses these gifts to make plays across the field in pursuit. Although he was a bit tentative today, he is still asserting himself as the top defensive end on the North roster and his upside is undeniable.
Wednesday (1/25/06): Kiwanuka had a rough day on Wednesday. During the one-on-one pass rush drills, Jeremy Trueblood, his Boston College teammate, torqued him to the ground injuring his left shoulder or wrist. Also during one-on-ones, Kiwanuka was repeatedly abused by D'Brickashaw Ferguson and was simply no match for the elite offensive tackle prospect. While losing out to Ferguson is a regular occurrence for every defensive end in attendance, Kiwanuka also had a rough time against Boise State's Daryn Colledge who got the better of Kiwanuka during the MPC Computers' Bowl. Kiwanuka needs to prove that he can be successful against top competition. He has yet to do so this week.
:P
It sounds like Kiwanuka would be a huge stretch at #14.
Not a huge stretch, he still has amazing potential. I think he'll work his way up back to 10-20.
defensive ends are a total crap shoot...i hate taking them in round one...see justin smith courtney brown andre wadsworth ebenezer ekuban ect....
im sure im missing one or two but since simeon rice i cant think of any round one defensive ends that really turned out great other than peppers and freeny
Jerome McDougle, Mike Mamula, Jon Harris...
Hugh was a 1st by the Jets, right?
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2006, 08:31:04 AM
defensive ends are a total crap shoot..
as is every position.
defensive ends are much MORE of a crap shoot
1st round DE's since 1996:
Simeon Rice - stud (ARZ '96)
Darryl Gardner - average for a few years (MIA '96)
Cedric Jones - bust (NYG '96)
Regan Upshaw - role player (TB '96)
Trevor Pryce [DT & DE] - solid (DEN '97)
Kenny Holmes - average (HOU '97)
Renaldo Wynn - average (JAX '97)
Jon Harris - bustariffic (PHI '97)
Kenard Lang - below average (WAS '97)
Andre Wadsworth - bust (ARZ '98)
Jason Peter - bust (CAR '98)
Greg Ellis - decent (DAL '98)
Vonnie Holliday - average (GB '98)
Grant Wistrom - good (STL '98)
Patrick Kerney - good (ATL '99)
Ebenezer Ekuban - role player (DAL '99)
Dimitrus Underwood - bust & nutjob (MIN '99)
Lamar King - bust (SEA '99)
Jevon Kearse - stud (TEN '99)
Erik Flowers - bust (BUF '00]
Courtney Brown - bust (CLE '00]
Shaun Ellis - stud (NYJ '00]
John Abraham - stud (NYJ '00]
Justin Smith - average (CIN '01)
Jamal Reynolds - bust (GB '01)
Richard Seymour [DT & DE] - stud (NE '01)
Andre Carter - bust (SF '01)
Julius Peppers - stud (CAR '02)
Dwight Freeney - stud (NE '02)
Bryan Thomas - bust (NYJ '02)
Terrell Suggs - very good (BAL '03)
Michael Haynes - bust (CHI '03)
Jerome McDougle - below average, not a bust yet due to injury (PHI '03)
Kenechi Udeze - don't know yet (MIN '04)
Will Smith - don't know yet (NO '04)
NOt going to list '05, way too early
Classifying Kearse as a stud right now makes me laugh.
I was going mostly off of what he did in TEN. But laugh it up.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 27, 2006, 09:25:39 AM
Classifying Kearse as a stud right now makes me laugh.
He's certainly farging paid like one...
:-\
Patrick Kerney
Peter Boulware
Shaun Ellis
Terrell Suggs
Will Smith
justin smith isnt bad either.
demarcus ware was a DE in college, so i dont know if you want to count that as he is a LB now.
kevin williams switched to DT this season i think. but again, far from a bust.
all these were first rnd DE's taken since simeon rice.
will and justin smith are huge question marks
anyway point is de is a very risky pick
what's not though, i'm just running through the positions in my head, what's the safest position to pick? DT or OL i would say. everything is a crap shoot, with QB being the biggest risk.
since he knows what hes talking about lets take phreaks list...in the last ten years he has 10 DE's listed as good to stud that were taken in round one...thats one a year...but more than that is the fact that the bust ratio of DE's is huge compared to other positions...its one thing for a #1 pick to be a good player or even average...but it kills you when your #1 is a flat out bust...
this tends to be the case imo because de's are pretty much on an island...yeah having a quality de opposite you helps with alleviating double teams but in general its you vs the guy across from you...there isnt much room for error and there isnt other positions to help or bail you out...such as a good ol helps a rb a good qb helps a wr and vice versa
tamba hali is the one player that weve all pretty much agreed is not an nfl player...havent heard this judgement rendered on any other players in the first round...and his position is??
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2006, 10:39:20 AM
.but more than that is the fact that the bust ratio of DE's is huge compared to other positions
where is the stat that shows bust % by position anyway? im interested in seeing the rest of em.
Get McDougle!
where is the stat that shows bust % by position anyway? im interested in seeing the rest of em.
i dont know....but since this is all my opinion i dont care either
lol, so then it's not a fact that that the bust ratio of DE's is huge compared to other positions ???
who said it was a fact
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2006, 11:26:22 AM
who said it was a fact
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2006, 10:39:20 AM
...but more than that is the fact that the bust ratio of DE's is huge compared to other positions...its one thing for a #1 pick to be a good player or even average...but it kills you when your #1 is a flat out bust...
sorry
"its a case of the bust ratio...."
you people need to get out more
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 27, 2006, 11:38:53 AM
you people need to get out more
Says the guy who averages 9.430 posts per day
i meant get out of pants and off my cack
From DraftDaddy.com:
QuoteESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper is currently projecting Penn State quarterback Michael Robinson as a 7th round draft pick, at best. Mel feels Robinson does not project as a quarterback at the next level, but believes the 220 pounder may be able to play safety in the NFL, due to his size, athletic ability and toughness.
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ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper is currently projecting 5' 7", University of Miami wide receiver Sinorice Moss as a second round draft pick, based on his speed and special teams potential.
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ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper is a big fan of Southern California guard Duece Latui, who's done a nice job in Mobile. Kiper has said Latui is a solid 2nd round possibility, with an outside shot at being selected in the latter part of round.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2006, 09:14:59 AM
From DraftDaddy.com:
QuoteESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper is currently projecting Penn State quarterback Michael Robinson as a 7th round draft pick, at best. Mel feels Robinson does not project as a quarterback at the next level, but believes the 220 pounder may be able to play safety in the NFL, due to his size, athletic ability and toughness.
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ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper is currently projecting 5' 7", University of Miami wide receiver Sinorice Moss as a second round draft pick, based on his speed and special teams potential.
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ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper is a big fan of Southern California guard Duece Latui, who's done a nice job in Mobile. Kiper has said Latui is a solid 2nd round possibility, with an outside shot at being selected in the latter part of round.
Over on the Skins board they are happy the dude is dropping to the second round, so the Skins have a shot at Santana's little brother. :-D
40% chance of T-storms down in Mobile today. Should be interesting to see how it affects the RBs and WRs...
2006 Senior Bowl – South Team Numerical Roster 1/28/06
Coaching Staff: San Francisco 49ers
1 Devin Aromashodu WR 6-2 198 Auburn
2 DeMario Minter CB 5-11 198 Georgia
2 Ben Obomanu WR 6-1 205 Auburn
3 D.J. Shockley QB 6-1 214 Georgia
4 Darrell Hackney QB 6-1 245 UAB
5 Skyler Green WR 5-9 197 LSU
6 Cedric Griffin CB 6-1 190 Texas
7 Marcus Hudson DB 6-2 200 N.C. State
8 Freddie Roach LB 6-2 250 Alabama
9 Anthony Mix WR 6-5 248 Auburn
10 Joseph Addai RB 5-11 210 LSU
12 Brodie Croyle QB 6-3 205 Alabama
17 Greg Blue SA 6-2 211 Georgia
18 Hank Baskett WR 6-3 219 New Mexico
19 Marcedes Lewis TE 6-6 255 UCLA
20 DeAngelo Williams RB 5-10 217 Memphis
21 Jerious Norwood RB 6-0 204 Mississippi State
22 Kelly Jennings CB 5-11 180 Miami
23 Tim Jennings CB 5-9 182 Georgia
24 Pat Watkins SA 6-4 202 Florida State
32 Stephen Gostkowski K 6-2 200 Memphis
35 Garrett Mills FB 6-2 226 Tulsa
35 DeMeco Ryans LB 6-2 236 Alabama
38 Andre Hall RB 5-9 204 South Florida
40 Thomas Howard LB 6-3 231 UTEP
41 Roman Harper SA 6-0 196 Alabama
42 Spencer Havner LB 6-3 235 UCLA
44 Gerris Wilkinson LB 6-3 238 Georgia Tech
47 Mark Anderson DE 6-4 256 Alabama
51 Travis Williams LB 6-0 216 Auburn
52 Brodrick Bunkley DL 6-2 286 Florida State
55 Jesse Mahelona DL 6-2 304 Tennessee
63 Ryan Cook OL 6-7 322 New Mexico
68 Mike Degory OL 6-5 301 Florida
70 Cody Douglas OL 6-4 330 Tennessee
71 Jonathan Scott OL 6-7 307 Texas
72 Albert Toeaina OL 6-5 352 Tennessee
73 Marcus McNeill OL 6-8 332 Auburn
74 Eric Winston OL 6-6 310 Miami
75 Will Allen OL 6-5 309 Texas
77 Max Jean-Gilles OL 6-4 358 Georgia
81 Thomas Olmsted P 6-4 217 Troy
82 T.J. Williams TE 6-2 253 N.C. State
83 Sinorice Moss WR 5-8 185 Miami
91 Manny Lawson DE 6-4 230 N.C. State
92 Orien Harris DE 6-3 301 Miami
94 Kamerion Wimbley DE 6-3 240 Florida State
95 Kyle Williams DL 6-2 295 LSU
98 Elvis Dumervil DE 6-0 254 Louisville
99 Parys Haralson DE 6-2 250 Tennessee
2006 Senior Bowl -- North Team Numerical Roster 1/28/06
Coaching Staff: Tennessee Titans
1 Will Blackmon CB 6-0 191 Boston College
1 Anwar Phillips CB 6-0 190 Penn State
2 Demetrius Williams WR 6-2 184 Oregon
4 Jahmile Addae SA 5-11 205 West Virginia
4 Travis Wilson WR 6-2 215 Oklahoma
6 Jay Cutler QB 6-3 219 Vanderbilt
6 Charlie Whitehurst QB 6-5 223 Clemson
8 Jason Avant WR 6-2 210 Michigan
8 Tye Hill CB 5-9 179 Clemson
9 Jerome Harrison RB 5-9 202 Washington State
11 Mike Bell RB 6-1 212 Arizona
12 Michael Robinson QB 6-2 215 Penn State
14 Daniel Bullocks SA 6-0 205 Nebraska
15 Martin Nance WR 6-4 212 Miami, OH
17 Lawrence Vickers FB 6-0 233 Colorado
18 Chad Greenway LB 6-3 243 Iowa
20 Anthony Smith SA 6-0 194 Syracuse
21 Maurice Stovall WR 6-4 236 Notre Dame
26 David Pittman DB 5-11 171 Northwestern State
27 Brian Iwuh LB 6-0 226 Colorado
28 Darrell Hunter CB 5-11 211 Miami, OH
29 John Torp P 6-1 222 Colorado
32 Cedric Humes RB 6-1 233 Virginia Tech
38 Terrence Whitehead RB 5-10 225 Oregon
40 Deric Yaussi K 5-11 199 Wyoming
42 Jon Alston LB 6-1 215 Stanford
44 Clint Ingram LB 6-1 236 Oklahoma
51 Abdul Hodge LB 6-1 231 Iowa
52 D'Qwell Jackson LB 6-1 227 Maryland
54 Marvin Philip OL 6-2 298 California
55 Nick Mangold OL 6-4 296 Ohio State
55 Darryl Tapp DE 6-2 266 Virginia Tech
56 Charles Spencer OL 6-5 330 Pittsburgh
61 Ryan O'Callaghan OL 6-7 363 California
66 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OL 6-5 295 Virginia
68 Mark Setterstrom OL 6-4 307 Minnesota
72 Jeremy Trueblood OL 6-8 319 Boston College
73 Daryn Colledge OL 6-4 295 Boise State
76 Deuce Lutui OL 6-5 375 USC
77 Davin Joseph OL 6-4 315 Oklahoma
78 Gabe Watson DL 6-3 335 Michigan
80 Derek Hagan WR 6-2 202 Arizona State
86 Dominique Byrd TE 6-3 260 USC
89 Joe Klopfenstein TE 6-5 245 Colorado
91 Tamba Hali DE 6-2 265 Penn State
92 Julian Jenkins DL 6-4 275 Stanford
94 Mathias Kiwanuka DE 6-6 258 Boston College
95 Victor Adeyanju DE 6-4 265 Indiana
96 Babatunde Oshinowo DL 6-2 320 Stanford
99 Dusty Dvoracek DL 6-3 302 Oklahoma
That int was sick.
I said I would be watching Tye Hill and he looked a lot like Lito on that play.
SIGN HIM NOW.
Quote from: Displaced on January 28, 2006, 04:37:11 PM
I said I would be watching Tye Hill and he looked a lot like Lito on that play.
SIGN HIM NOW.
You mean on the play where he got caught with his eyes in the backfield and got torched for that Moss TD?
Mike Robinson is looking real good in this drive..
Jeremy Trueblood was tossed from the game. How do you throw someone out of the senior bowl??? :boo
Quote from: Die-Hard on January 28, 2006, 05:57:34 PM
Jeremy Trueblood was tossed from the game. How do you throw someone out of the senior bowl??? :boo
Trueblood would be a GREAT pick for the Eagles in the 2nd round.
Fisher and Nolan talked the efs into letting Trueblood and Harralson back into the game.
I don't know about Trueblood. He's been beaten like a drum this week.
Robinson has undeniable running ability and physical skill. Still have no idea what he could play in the NFL...
...but it's not QB.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 28, 2006, 08:46:54 PM
Robinson has undeniable running ability and physical skill. Still have no idea what he could play in the NFL...
...but it's not QB.
Fisher was hyping him up during that interview. Maybe he see's a little 'Air McNair' in him...who knows? But I agree, he's not QB material, not even backup.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 28, 2006, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: Displaced on January 28, 2006, 04:37:11 PM
I said I would be watching Tye Hill and he looked a lot like Lito on that play.
SIGN HIM NOW.
You mean on the play where he got caught with his eyes in the backfield and got torched for that Moss TD?
Exactly he looked just like Lito the time he got caught looking into the backfield earlier in the season.
Again I say SIGN HIM.
Chad Greenway was very quiet in the game. He runs around trash instead of plowing through it. Takes the non-physical way to get to the ball carrier. However, OLB's weren't allowed to blitz and it's a good thing if he was quiet in coverage.
I want Sinorice w/our 2nd.
WTF do we take w/our 1st? I'd be fine with trading down to...20ish and getting Wroten or something. I just don't really see anyone worth 14 landing to us.
Stovall is basically Pinkston. Scott Wright keeps on saying he has very good hands...but during the combine drills Stovall made some (2/3?) catches, dropped one right in his hands and double caught another as he was falling down. I don't want him.
Klop was doing better at TE than I thought. Even though they say he has a 38" vertical, I don't see that translating that well in the game. He made a nice TD catch, but jumped no where near 38", although, I guess he didn't have to. I wonder how his blocking is...it looked good in the game. He had a below average citrus bowl game. 1 catch 5 yards, missing one that one 4 inches over his head and another that bounced off his knee.
Not a huge fan of Kiwi. Maybe he can gain 30 lbs and still have his quickness? Lawson looked better imo. Can't knock Kiwi too much though, he was going up v D'Brick.
Bunkley and Tapp looked pretty decent.
Hali did well for himself (better in the game (2 sacks) than in practice...although he did make Trueblood his bitch).
Hagans was dropping balls in practice and in the game.
I'm really souring on the idea of taking Greenway. I'm fully preparing to watch the draft at a friend's place or on a cheaper TV so that I can throw something through the screen if the Eagles go that direction with their pick.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 29, 2006, 03:09:29 AM
WTF do we take w/our 1st? I'd be fine with trading down to...20ish and getting Wroten or something.
I dont think Reid is going to go for Wroten after his pot bust this month. link (http://www.lsureveille.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/01/17/43ccaee73f4da)
Yeah I know, but we still got lit'm up c-buck on our team.
Just bring the whizzinator to the combine and say you're sorry like Castillo. Bada bing, you're clear.