I know that's a common expression here to emphasize disgust in a particular comment of idea but I actually just threw up a little in my mouth and it tasted like the Golden Grahams I ate for breakfast mixed with the Steak Ums I ate for dinner.
And yes, this post is ripe for gay jokes. Carry on.
Mmmm...a tasty vurp.
You eat Steak Ums? Moved back in with the ex or something?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2006, 08:29:10 PM
You eat Steak Ums? Moved back in with the ex or something?
That's it pal. I'm crossing your name off the Marine Corps recruiting list.
I pick up a pack of Steak ums every now and then though. It's a nice, quick fix from time to time.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2006, 08:31:30 PM
That's it pal. I'm crossing your name off the Marine Corps recruiting list.
Speaking of which, this latino recruiter from the Army keeps calling my old lady. She's Puerto Rican, lives in the Bronx. I'm sure he thinks she's some kind of prime target. The phone messages are appalling. "I'd like to talk to you about getting money for college..." blah, blah, blah. She's already got a degree. Soon, she'll have another. But he don't know that. All he knows is the address and the latino name..sounds like a good bet to him I imagine. Money for college. How about "dying for coporate profit margins." Or "Killing for U.S. empire." Those are a hell of a lot more accurate than any bullshtein he's peddling.
I told her tonight to deal with him or I will.
Easiest way to get recruiter man off your back is simply to tell them to stop calling and that you (she) isn't interested. Just like any other telemarketer, once you ask for your name to be removed from the list then it has to be taken off.
Just out of curiosity, how old is your girlfriend? The reason I ask is because I know Marine recruiters only call people at a max for 3 years after they graduate high school. Once a highschool list is 3 years old, it's destroyed. I don't know if the Army works the same way or not though. Of course, as desperate as they are, it wouldn't surprise me if they just pick names out of the phone book.
I don't plan to be a fleshpop to him. He can thank Sassy for my tolerance of the recruiters. All the same, if he calls again after being told, I'll be chewing his boss a new icehole, loco civilian style.
She's 25 with a BA from NYU and about to finish nursing school. He got her name somewhere other than high school.
Incidentally, that's pretty farged up, preying on impoverished high school kids. Offering them "money for school," which actually amounts to dick all, and then sending them off to die in zesty needless wars.
Whatever. Farg em all.
Fleshpop. :-D I'll tell you what, if this lousy board is good for anything, it's the filters.
as long as there is men running the world, there will be wars. so its useless bitching about war until thats not the case. in other words, the world is screwed.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2006, 08:53:32 PM
I don't plan to be a fleshpop to him. He can thank Sassy for my tolerance of the recruiters. All the same, if he calls again after being told, I'll be chewing his boss a new icehole, loco civilian style.
She's 25 with a BA from NYU and about to finish nursing school. He got her name somewhere other than high school.
Incidentally, that's pretty farged up, preying on impoverished high school kids. Offering them "money for school," which actually amounts to dick all, and then sending them off to die in zesty needless wars.
Whatever. Farg em all.
My son just enlisted and the dick money for college amounts to 100% tuition, books and fees while active. Additionally, he will be learning marketable job skills and gaining real world work experience. Concievably, in 5 years, he will be worlds ahead of his ?HS classmates.
Sarge your assuming that the Army operates on the same principles that the Core does. It doesn't!! The Army will cheat lie and steal to get you to sign on that dotted line. The Core only wants those interested. That was my experiance even in the late 80's. I imagine the Army is much worse now that numbers are down.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 23, 2006, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2006, 08:53:32 PM
I don't plan to be a fleshpop to him. He can thank Sassy for my tolerance of the recruiters. All the same, if he calls again after being told, I'll be chewing his boss a new icehole, loco civilian style.
She's 25 with a BA from NYU and about to finish nursing school. He got her name somewhere other than high school.
Incidentally, that's pretty farged up, preying on impoverished high school kids. Offering them "money for school," which actually amounts to dick all, and then sending them off to die in zesty needless wars.
Whatever. Farg em all.
My son just enlisted and the dick money for college amounts to 100% tuition, books and fees while active. Additionally, he will be learning marketable job skills and gaining real world work experience. Concievably, in 5 years, he will be worlds ahead of his ?HS classmates.
for a hot shot investor who drives a lexus...you'd think money for college wouldnt be that hard to come by.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 23, 2006, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on January 23, 2006, 10:31:57 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2006, 08:53:32 PM
I don't plan to be a fleshpop to him. He can thank Sassy for my tolerance of the recruiters. All the same, if he calls again after being told, I'll be chewing his boss a new icehole, loco civilian style.
She's 25 with a BA from NYU and about to finish nursing school. He got her name somewhere other than high school.
Incidentally, that's pretty farged up, preying on impoverished high school kids. Offering them "money for school," which actually amounts to dick all, and then sending them off to die in zesty needless wars.
Whatever. Farg em all.
My son just enlisted and the dick money for college amounts to 100% tuition, books and fees while active. Additionally, he will be learning marketable job skills and gaining real world work experience. Concievably, in 5 years, he will be worlds ahead of his ?HS classmates.
for a hot shot investor who drives a lexus...you'd think money for college wouldnt be that hard to come by.
It's not. But the college fund is his to invest however he wants if he completes the hitch . I have been funding investment accounts for all four kids since birth (even when I couldn't afford it). I have learned in life that goal setting and planning is very important. A college education isn't the only way to reach career goals. He has matured into a smart highly motivated kid. He will do well.
And my wife drives the Lexus. I drive the CTS.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2006, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 23, 2006, 08:31:30 PM
That's it pal. I'm crossing your name off the Marine Corps recruiting list.
She's Puerto Rican, lives in the Bronx.
Sounds hot in a J-Lo kinda way. Does she have that kinda ass?
Will you still feel that way if he gets his head shot off in Iraq?
thats not funny at all.
Wasn't meant to be.
then u should go over there and serve tough guy.
I'd be happy to serve MY COUNTRY in a JUST WAR.
But so long as the Bush family is making millions off the Saudis, while the Saudis pay money to suicide bombers, there is no JUST here.
I won't put my life at risk so that a few billionaires can continue to make double digit profit margins. And neither should anyone else.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 24, 2006, 08:05:06 AM
Will you still feel that way if he gets his head shot off in Iraq?
He enlisted in the Navy so I don't think he'll get his head shot off in Iraq. However, if he was killed serving his country I would be proud to say that he gave his life for his country.
If I were a ruler, I'd love people like stilloncrack. Send your kids to die because I said so. Teh awsum.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 24, 2006, 01:04:49 PM
If I were a ruler, I'd love people like stilloncrack. Send your kids to die because I said so. Teh awsum.
Not sending at all. But certainly supporting his decision. He is 18 and I feel he has a good head on his shoulders. I also support my 20 year old's decision to pursue Rock and Roll as a career for a few years. He was Salutorian of his senior class, scored 1400+ on the old SAT and achieved a 4.0 his first year of college. He decided that he wanted to take some time off and play in a band. Was I disappointed, no. He will figure out what he wants to do eventually.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 24, 2006, 10:41:22 AM
I'd be happy to serve MY COUNTRY in a JUST WAR.
But so long as the Bush family is making millions off the Saudis, while the Saudis pay money to suicide bombers, there is no JUST here.
I won't put my life at risk so that a few billionaires can continue to make double digit profit margins. And neither should anyone else.
what war is just?
That one I learned about in that cool documentary: "Transformers: The movie"
Those fargers deserved it.
WW II was just. So was WWI. So was the first war in Iraq. So was the invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11.
War to protect the profit margins of companies you're already giving multi-billion dollar tax credits isn't just.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 24, 2006, 05:04:40 PM
War to protect the profit margins of companies you're already giving multi-billion dollar tax credits isn't just.
Would you think it was just had the US found massive stockpiles of WMD in Iraq?
Sure. Too bad the government made up a story about WMDs in the first place to justify the war.
I heard from this old drunk I met at a bar the other night that there are nuclear warheads in Texas and they're all programmed to fire at my wang the next time three cuban children play jump rope. I think we'd better bomb the hell out of Texas, just in case he's right.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2006, 05:40:24 PM
Sure. Too bad the government made up a story about WMDs in the first place to justify the war.
Yup, and like good little sheep the American people (and military) bought it.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 23, 2006, 08:53:32 PM
I don't plan to be a fleshpop to him. He can thank Sassy for my tolerance of the recruiters. All the same, if he calls again after being told, I'll be chewing his boss a new icehole, loco civilian style.
She's 25 with a BA from NYU and about to finish nursing school. He got her name somewhere other than high school.
Incidentally, that's pretty farged up, preying on impoverished high school kids. Offering them "money for school," which actually amounts to dick all, and then sending them off to die in zesty needless wars.
Whatever. Farg em all.
Fleshpop - did you come up with that, or is it a new filter. Either way; it's motherfarging hilarious.
Edit-It was too damn funny to even read the post directly after it. farging fleshpop. Ha.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2006, 05:42:42 PM
I heard from this old drunk I met at a bar the other night that there are nuclear warheads in Texas and they're all programmed to fire at my wang the next time three cuban children play jump rope. I think we'd better bomb the hell out of Texas, just in case he's right.
I kind of went the opposite route on that one and told 3 cuban kids to start jumping rope. OFF WITH YOUR WANG!!
As RJS said, there weren't any. Argue hyperbole all you want.\
Without broad UN support, it was an unjust war. And our soldiers are getting slowly massacred for it. And damn few people in this country seem to give a shtein. And that bugs the hell out of me. You got fools like crackhead happy to let his kids jump in harm's way so rich guys can get richer. You'd stop 'em from jumping into traffic, how's this different?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 24, 2006, 07:42:54 PM
As RJS said, there weren't any. Argue hyperbole all you want.\
Without broad UN support, it was an unjust war. And our soldiers are getting slowly massacred for it. And damn few people in this country seem to give a shtein. And that bugs the hell out of me. You got fools like crackhead happy to let his kids jump in harm's way so rich guys can get richer. You'd stop 'em from jumping into traffic, how's this different?
The UN is fully emasculated. We should kick them out of NYC. So you are the regulator of morality MMH? You're awfully full of your own self importance. I happen to think it is a just war.
The war in Iraq is unjust at this point. Going into Afghanistan after 9/11? Justified. But what the hell happened to it? Sure, we went in and dealt a blow to terrorism. Guess what? It's not as big of a blow as we think. Bin Laden hasn't been caught or killed and anyone who thinks that he and Al Queda aren't reorganizing are blind, stupid or both.
Getting Hussein out of power was a good thing, regardless of the WMD debacle. Saddam is a nut job and needed to be removed. Done. Now get out and let the Iraqi people rebuild their country the way THEY want it. Not the way Bush wants it. Everything going on over there right now is about oil and even I can see that through my red, white and blue sunglasses.
The people over there are free now so let them build their country just like our founding fathers built this country......ON THEIR OWN. If they want to build a democracy then that's their choice. If they want another dictatorship, that's their choice. NOT OURS. You know why the founding fathers of this country didn't ask for any outside help when it came to forming our government or writing the Constitution? Because they didn't farging want any. And if the French came over and tried to give us a hand in establishing our government we would have shoved the Statue of Liberty up their asses and told them to take it back.
The Iraqi people are free and they appreciate us getting Saddam out of power. But they want to run their country and they have every right to do so. We have absolutely no business what so ever being over there with a military presence and telling them how to live.
Either get back in Afghanistan and start looking for Bin Laden again or pack everything up and bring the troops back home. Start using the billions of dollars that would have been spent in Iraq and develope more efficient sources of energy. That way, we don't need their farging oil.
well said sarge, i totally agreee with you.
the only reason we are so concerned about elections and rebuilding is because we want the right people in office and the right contracts to help rebuild. ok when this is finally over with and our politicans are fat with contract money and the country is in the peoples hands who we want it to be in, then what? we leave...a few years go by hopefully harmless, then bam...new leader...or bamm....terrorists keep striking until they succedd. to me iraq and the middle east is two things. a place that will always be at war, mainly because of religion and a place of great wealth, with oil resources. when u mix the two, its dangerous.
its a dead end...and it sucks the kids, men and women we sent over had to die for that.
but you'll have the sympathizers, with Bush and Republicans and religious fanatics, who will argue to death that Iraq had plenty of time to get rid of WMD'S. That the war is not for oil, its for peace and democracy. the kids now have schools, the women have rights, saddam is out of power, they are free now... yadda yadda yadda. :boom
Quote from: mussa on January 24, 2006, 11:03:31 PM
but you'll have the sympathizers, with Bush and Republicans and religious fanatics...
Aren't those all the same?
Quote from: stillupfront on January 24, 2006, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 24, 2006, 07:42:54 PM
As RJS said, there weren't any. Argue hyperbole all you want.\
Without broad UN support, it was an unjust war. And our soldiers are getting slowly massacred for it. And damn few people in this country seem to give a shtein. And that bugs the hell out of me. You got fools like crackhead happy to let his kids jump in harm's way so rich guys can get richer. You'd stop 'em from jumping into traffic, how's this different?
The UN is fully emasculated. We should kick them out of NYC. So you are the regulator of morality MMH? You're awfully full of your own self importance. I happen to think it is a just war.
Yeah, I'm sure that's what Hitler said about the League of Nations. I'm hardly the regulator of morality, and I don't remember being asked if we should invade Iraq, so the gov't doesn't seem to think I am either.
As to my self-importance? That's farging hilarious coming from a fundamentalist asshat like you.
And I agree with you to a point, Sarge. Except I believe that you don't just go in and remove a leader, no matter how bad they are, just because you feel like it. That's in violation of international law, as most of our "allies" agreed. And if you decide you are going to do that, then you have to be consistent. Plenty of homicidal leaders out there, who's countries don't reside on oil fields, that we allow to stay in power indefinitely. So calling this "policy" is bullshtein.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2006, 05:40:24 PM
Sure. Too bad the government made up a story about WMDs in the first place to justify the war.
Made up the story? Tell that to the thousands of Kurds Saddam Wiped out with Chemical weapons.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2006, 09:20:11 PM
The people over there are free now so let them build their country just like our founding fathers built this country......ON THEIR OWN. If they want to build a democracy then that's their choice. If they want another dictatorship, that's their choice. NOT OURS. You know why the founding fathers of this country didn't ask for any outside help when it came to forming our government or writing the Constitution? Because they didn't farging want any. And if the French came over and tried to give us a hand in establishing our government we would have shoved the Statue of Liberty up their asses and told them to take it back.
The Iraqi people are free and they appreciate us getting Saddam out of power. But they want to run their country and they have every right to do so. We have absolutely no business what so ever being over there with a military presence and telling them how to live.
Either get back in Afghanistan and start looking for Bin Laden again or pack everything up and bring the troops back home. Start using the billions of dollars that would have been spent in Iraq and develope more efficient sources of energy. That way, we don't need their farging oil.
I agree we needto leave the country to the Iraq people, but to leave now is not smart. We (USA) did not have major Terrorist groups blowing our civilians up while we were forming our government. If we were to leave now, it would destroy any hope of Iraq becoming a free standing nation, and would hurt us/our troops much more in the long run. All it would do is show the terrorist, and the nations that back them, that just like in the recent past when we get hit we run away. We need to finish the job that has been started, train their troops, police etc... and get out.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 09:12:13 AMWe (USA) did not have major Terrorist groups blowing our civilians up while we were forming our government.
sure we did, we call them native americans now.
QuoteAnd I agree with you to a point, Sarge. Except I believe that you don't just go in and remove a leader, no matter how bad they are, just because you feel like it. That's in violation of international law, as most of our "allies" agreed. And if you decide you are going to do that, then you have to be consistent. Plenty of homicidal leaders out there, who's countries don't reside on oil fields, that we allow to stay in power indefinitely. So calling this "policy" is bullshtein.
Saddam violated around 14 or so UN sanctions, or whatever the correct word for it is, and the UN did NOTHING, except get in bed with him on the Oil for food program. He paid palestinian bombers families 20 thousand dollars after they killed themselves, he slaughtered many more innocent Iraq civilians then this war ever will. I am not 100% behind the president on this war, but give me a break acting like this guy was some innocent leader, that the big old US came over and picked on, people seem to forget all the violations, and documented WMD he had, and had used in the past. IMO this administration wanted a Democracy in the middle east, Iraq with it's Documented WMD program and UN Violations out the icehole was the target they chose. I don't think it will end there, if they can get Iraq and Afganistan under control, look who sits right between the two, next up Iran.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 25, 2006, 09:17:26 AM
Quotesure we did, we call them native americans now.
I don't remember hearing about bands of Native Americans terrorizing the people of Philadelphia and other cities.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 09:12:13 AM
We (USA) did not have major Terrorist groups blowing our civilians up while we were forming our government.
Terrorism is always a matter of perception. When we (USA) broke off from England, we were the terrorists (if you look at it from English perspective). England went to war with us......and lost. We established our own form of government.
The Iraqi people need to do the same thing. They need to have their own revolution if they want to take control of their country. This is a war that, imo, we cannot win. Not because we aren't smart enough or strong enough but because the people we are fighting over there completely lack the ability to think rationally. It's all about religion and holy land over there and there is no reasoning with them.
They will die and die gladly for their cause. And when one of them blows himself up as a suicide bomber, there are more brainwashed fanatics ready to step up and take his place.
It's not our war to fight. It's the Iraqi people's war and they're the ones who have to decide if they want to fight and they're the ones who need to actually do the fighting.
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QuoteIt's not our war to fight. It's the Iraqi people's war and they're the ones who have to decide if they want to fight and they're the ones who need to actually do the fighting.
I agree with you that now it is their fight, but don't you think we need to train the army/police force that is assembled. For the past 30 yrs. both the cops and troops over there had one purpose, to do whatever Saddam wanted them to do. And according to the reports we are handing over military actions to the Iraq military more and more. I just think we need to leave them properly trained to take on the terrorists that probably Iran, and Syria are aiding .
I think that's the "nice" thing to do and it may even the be right thing to do. But as long as we maintain a military presence over there, we are going to be subject to more terrorist attacks in the US. I say get out of there and let the animals run the jungle. Eventually, a group of people will stand out as the lion and appoint themselves king.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 09:03:35 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2006, 05:40:24 PM
Sure. Too bad the government made up a story about WMDs in the first place to justify the war.
Made up the story? Tell that to the thousands of Kurds Saddam Wiped out with Chemical weapons.
Since that happened (about a decade ago) Saddam was forced to get rid of those weapons. He told the world he got rid of them. He was subject to searches for years. Those searches turned up nothing. Then, based on information that EVERYONE has admitted was incorrect, Bush claims that there are weapons of mass destruction and decided to start a war.
If he had just said, "Saddam and his sons are farging crazy and we are going to remove them from power because they are a menace since crazy people shouldn't be in charge of whole countries." I would have some semblence of respect for that, but that isn't what happened. A story was concocted to get support. They haven't found a single thing to indicate that there were WMDs anywhere in the country. It was a lie and people are still trying to justify it. Ridiculous.
Having patrolled the UN No fly zones over Iraq for the better part of the 90's myself, let me just say that the UN is useless. They left the US and Britain with the job of containing the mad man at great cost. The French stopped patrolling in 92. But hey someone had to be left to keep bad old Saddam in his cage while he built lavish palaces and abused his people. He needed to be removed and not just because of oil. Half of Iraq was a designated 'no fly zone' that had to be patrolled. Saddam would move his SAM sites below the line. We would take it out. Cat and mouse cat and mouse. What the farg for? It accomplished absolutely nothing. What a waste of my military career. I served my country in a just war, only to waste my time for the next 4 years doing nothing. That is frustrating...
Then the guys who put together the plan bought their own press and really thought our troops would go in there and everything would be rosy. They fooled themselves and refused to listen to criticism about the plan while American troops pay the price. They also seemed to listen only to intel that fit their world view. A very very dangerous thing to do. Now we get two extreme views in American politics and neither seems to really know what is going on.
It's like there's lead pipe in the aqueducts...
I think I just Vurped...
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QuoteSince that happened (about a decade ago) Saddam was forced to get rid of those weapons. He told the world he got rid of them. He was subject to searches for years. Those searches turned up nothing. Then, based on information that EVERYONE has admitted was incorrect, Bush claims that there are weapons of mass destruction and decided to start a war.
If he had just said, "Saddam and his sons are farging crazy and we are going to remove them from power because they are a menace since crazy people shouldn't be in charge of whole countries." I would have some semblence of respect for that, but that isn't what happened. A story was concocted to get support. They haven't found a single thing to indicate that there were WMDs anywhere in the country. It was a lie and people are still trying to justify it. Ridiculous.
When did he say he got rid of them? He never let the Weapons inspectors do their job, like Phanatic said it was a cat and mouse game for him. He never fully disclosed his weapons program. The Intel said he had it, most of the world agreed, when we got there it was not there. Just as it is ridiculous trying to justify that the weapons are still there in Iraq, it is just as ridiculous imo to think Saddam did not move the amount he had left. He had plenty of notice we were coming.
So because some people thought that maybe the guy had weapons, and in spite of an utter lack of evidence, you think this war, under the pretense of a search for WMDs, was justified? Baaah. Baaah.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 25, 2006, 11:20:30 AM
So because some people thought that maybe the guy had weapons, and in spite of an utter lack of evidence, you think this war, under the pretense of a search for WMDs, was justified? Baaah. Baaah.
No, what i am saying is that many people hate bush so much that they seem to forget what led up to the war. I do not think it was a good idea that Bush pushed the WMD angle to justify his actions. I think it was agood idea to get Saddam out of power for the whole the picture, the UN Violations, the WMD's, the terrorist connection, his history of military action against his neighbors. There was not a total lack of evidence of WMD, the guy had a history of having wmd's and using them against his own people, and his neighbors. That eveidence is a solid as it comes. He also ducked the Weapons inspectors and kicked them out a couple of times.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 25, 2006, 11:20:30 AM
So because some people thought that maybe the guy had weapons, and in spite of an utter lack of evidence, you think this war, under the pretense of a search for WMDs, was justified? Baaah. Baaah.
No, what i am saying is that many people hate bush so much that they seem to forget what led up to the war. I do not think it was a good idea that Bush pushed the WMD angle to justify his actions. I think it was agood idea to get Saddam out of power for the whole the picture, the UN Violations, the WMD's, the terrorist connection, his history of military action against his neighbors. There was not a total lack of evidence of WMD, the guy had a history of having wmd's and using them against his own people, and his neighbors. That eveidence is a solid as it comes. He also ducked the Weapons inspectors and kicked them out a couple of times.
how's about this...i supported the war. based on the "facts" that were shown as the reasons he pushed for it. him going on those same "facts" was fine in my book. now the question becomes, did bush know these "facts" were "lies" when he told us about them? that is a question we will never know the answer to and is not part of my assesment of him.
however, i dont hate him for that.
i hate him for a hell of a lot of other things.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 25, 2006, 12:10:44 PM
how's about this...i supported the war. based on the "facts" that were shown as the reasons he pushed for it. him going on those same "facts" was fine in my book. now the question becomes, did bush know these "facts" were "lies" when he told us about them? that is a question we will never know the answer to and is not part of my assesment of him.
however, i dont hate him for that.
i hate him for a hell of a lot of other things.
Agreed on everything there. Well said. I'm not mad at Bush for sending troops into Iraq (based on the intel at the time). There's no reason (other than oil) to have kept them over there for as long as it's been now.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AMI think it was agood idea to get Saddam out of power for the whole the picture,
That wasn't the reason given. If Bush had said "I want to invade this country because they have a crazy leader," how do you think that would have gone over? Not farging well. There are lots of crazy leaders. He had to lie to the people, fix evidence to his purpose, and scare everyone into thinking that Saddam was an immenent nuclear threat. Even then, the world was justly dubious of the Hitlereque "we must attack the terrorists in their land before they attack us in ours." Hitler, incdidentally, justifed the invasoin of Poland in almost the exact same grounds.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AMthe UN Violations
Like no one has every violated the UN before. Read Scott Ritter on the UN inspections/attempt to destroy WMDs in Iraq. He was an inspector and was very supportive of Gulf 1. But long before Bush started beating the drum for this latest war, he crowed from every rooftop he could that there were no weapons, the isnpections and destructions had worked, etc. And he was right. UN violations is no goddamned reason to invade a country, killed uncounted patriots and foreign insurgents, piss away 2,232 U.S. soldiers, well over 30.000 innocent civilians, etc.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AMthe WMD's,
WHAT fargING WMDs??
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AMthe terrorist connection
WHAT fargING CONNECTION? This is a proven goddamned fact: there was no connection betwen Saddam and Islamic fundamental terrorists. He was secular, for God's sake. Osama hates Saddam.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AMhis history of military action against his neighbors.
Funded by us. We gave him the chemical weapons he used against Iran, and we knew he was using them at the time.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AMThere was not a total lack of evidence of WMD, the guy had a history of having wmd's and using them against his own people, and his neighbors. That eveidence is a solid as it comes.
You need to do some reading. We gave him all the WMDs for which any evidence exists. We knew he was using them against Kurds--the ones you all keep calling "his own people", despite the fact they are more Kurdish than they are Iraqi--and also against Iran.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 11:48:16 AMHe also ducked the Weapons inspectors and kicked them out a couple of times.
So is Iran, so has North Korea. We invading there? You would support invasions there?
I opposed this war from the beginning. I was right.
Fine, you want to send in troops, your the President, you can do whatever the hell you want. Clearly.
But this crux of this war was never about troops defeating enemy troops. It was about convincing the Iraqi people we were invading for reasons other than personal gain. Bush lost this war the minute he appointed an ex-oil company executive to act as the ruler of the coalition. And he's blundered badly ever since.
QuoteWHAT fargING CONNECTION? This is a proven goddamned fact: there was no connection betwen Saddam and Islamic fundamental terrorists. He was secular, for God's sake. Osama hates Saddam.
Saddam didn't offer, and give suicide bombers families 20 thousand dollars after an attack in Israel?
QuoteFunded by us. We gave him the chemical weapons he used against Iran, and we knew he was using them at the time.
We did supply Iraq with Arms and supplies to make Chemical weapons, during the Iraq/Iran war.
QuoteHitler, incdidentally, justifed the invasoin of Poland in almost the exact same grounds.
IMO this is a piss poor comparison, we are not going to rule over Iraq.
QuoteYou need to do some reading. We gave him all the WMDs for which any evidence exists. We knew he was using them against Kurds--the ones you all keep calling "his own people", despite the fact they are more Kurdish than they are Iraqi--and also against Iran.
http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/factsheet-1984.html
We did not give him "all" the chemical weapons, but this also answers the main issue, we gave him some in the 80's HE HAD FARGIN WMDs.
QuoteSo is Iran, so has North Korea. We invading there? You would support invasions there?
Do some fargin reading yourself, I already said, I think that Iraq and Afganistan is the set up to an Iran invasion, we would have our military on both sides of them. Would I support a war with either of these countries, not at this point. N. Korea is run by a lunatic with a serious case of the short guy disease that is starving his own people. I do think Iran may start it Israel before we would be ready to make a move IMO. Bottom line is with the radical Ilsamic terrorists, many people think if we get out of the Middle East they will leave us alone, people need to understand that They want us DEAD, or to turn radical like them and only follow their belief in Islam.
Quotehow's about this...i supported the war. based on the "facts" that were shown as the reasons he pushed for it. him going on those same "facts" was fine in my book. now the question becomes, did bush know these "facts" were "lies" when he told us about them? that is a question we will never know the answer to and is not part of my assesment of him.
however, i dont hate him for that.
i hate him for a hell of a lot of other things.
Well said wingspan, I do not agree with all his decisions, but I do not hate the man. I am not dogging anyone who does hate him, everyone has there own opinion. I do find it funny when someone agrees/supports bush in anyway they are drilled for being a "sheep" or "idiot".
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 25, 2006, 02:29:39 PM
Quotehow's about this...i supported the war. based on the "facts" that were shown as the reasons he pushed for it. him going on those same "facts" was fine in my book. now the question becomes, did bush know these "facts" were "lies" when he told us about them? that is a question we will never know the answer to and is not part of my assesment of him.
however, i dont hate him for that.
i hate him for a hell of a lot of other things.
Well said wingspan, I do not agree with all his decisions, but I do not hate the man. I am not dogging anyone who does hate him, everyone has there own opinion. I do find it funny when someone agrees/supports bush in anyway they are drilled for being a "sheep" or "idiot".
my dislike for him is strictly policitally based. and it going back to his first election in how he railroaded mccain. i am not politically affiliated with any party, i am registered under nothing (i am a registered to vote). i was really hoping and a supporter of john mccain, and i would still vote for him. and when rumors started to float of him possibly switching parties and joining kerry, again, i was hopeful(even though i was no kerry supporter either). but alas.
however my political opinions should be taken with a helping of salt...in the last 2 presidential elections, the guy who initially attracted me to give them my vote(from one of the two major parties) were gone before you could blink an eye.
the last presidential election i voted for some independant woman candidate. probably the only vote she got.
Quotethe last presidential election i voted for some independant woman candidate. probably the only vote she got.
:-D :-D (not laughing at your choice , just your comment)
I did vote for Bush the last two elections, even though i had some issues with him, I felt he was better then the other option that was put out there.
To clarify... my views on this have nothing to do with my dislike of Bush. I would dislike the way this war has gone no matter who ordered it. I dislike Bush because he is an idiot who has been a failure at everything he's ever done as an adult. Idiocy in leadership scares me almost as much as violent lunacy, but I digress.
My views on this are based on the information we have now suggesting that there was plenty of evidence that there were no WMDs, our seemingly never-ending presense in a 'liberated' country that doesn't want us there, and the fact that everyone I know who has served in this war has come back saying that they don't even understand what they've been doing there. These are soldiers, tasked with risking their lives 'for their country,' who don't have the first idea why they're still there. When the people fighting the war don't understand the war, there is a huge problem.
How did a thread about a good vomit burp turn into a political thread? I am more interested in what the consistency of semi-puked up Golden Grahams is.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2006, 08:16:24 PM
How did a thread about a good vomit burp turn into a political thread? I am more interested in what the consistency of semi-puked up Golden Grahams is.
1. Any thread that mentions vomiting in it will ultimately lead to a discussion about politics. The 2 go hand in hand. Incidently, discussions revolving around feces, rotting corpses and fungus will also turn political. It's called evolution.
2. Pour some Golden Grahams in a bowl. Fill with milk and let it sit outside on a hot, sunny day for about 12 hours. Viola.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 24, 2006, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 24, 2006, 05:40:24 PM
Sure. Too bad the government made up a story about WMDs in the first place to justify the war.
Yup, and like good little sheep the American people (and military) bought it.
Not all of us.
I bought into Afghanistan, though. Those fargers attacked us, or rather, the fargs they gave safe harbour to attacked us.
I would have nuked their asses into the stone age. If we had done that, no one would be messing with us now.
No one messes with the crazy dude with a gun in his hand and a smile on his face.
I don't think there were many people at all who were against us going into Afghanistan. I wouldn't be against it if we went back in there to finish the job we started. But there's nothing left for our military to accomplish in Iraq other than pissing everyone off and getting young men and women killed by roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 25, 2006, 08:23:39 PM
I would have nuked their asses into the stone age.
Dude, it's Afghanistan. The Stone Age would be an improvement.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 25, 2006, 08:20:29 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2006, 08:16:24 PM
How did a thread about a good vomit burp turn into a political thread? I am more interested in what the consistency of semi-puked up Golden Grahams is.
1. Any thread that mentions vomiting in it will ultimately lead to a discussion about politics. The 2 go hand in hand. Incidently, discussions revolving around feces, rotting corpses and fungus will also turn political. It's called evolution.
2. Pour some Golden Grahams in a bowl. Fill with milk and let it sit outside on a hot, sunny day for about 12 hours. Viola.
F that. I can't drink no lumpy green milk.
I'll just eat a bowl of cereal and then get piss drunk. That way I'll tatse 'em again in about 8 hours when I puke.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2006, 08:26:04 PM
F that. I can't drink no lumpy green milk.
I'll just eat a bowl of cereal and then get piss drunk. That way I'll tatse 'em again in about 8 hours when I puke.
No cock jockey, you don't drink it. After sitting out for about 12 hours it will give you an idea of what the consistency of it was like.
Cock jockey?
:-D
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2006, 08:16:24 PM
How did a thread about a good vomit burp turn into a political thread? I am more interested in what the consistency of semi-puked up Golden Grahams is.
Not only that, but people are also flat out ignoring a great new word, "FLESHPOP"
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 25, 2006, 08:28:29 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 25, 2006, 08:26:04 PM
F that. I can't drink no lumpy green milk.
I'll just eat a bowl of cereal and then get piss drunk. That way I'll tatse 'em again in about 8 hours when I puke.
No cock jockey, you don't drink it. After sitting out for about 12 hours it will give you an idea of what the consistency of it was like.
:-D Sorry