Buy, buy, buy Sirius. Whether you like Stern or not, it looks like they will exceed earnings by 30-40% this year. The stock is moving slowly down right now, So now is the time to buy. It's a little over 6 a share. I am anticipating a 9-10 price by June. That's a real nice return. You can all thank me later.
if sirus wasnt spending $500M on getting stern, the company might actually make some money
Quote from: Wingspan on January 20, 2006, 02:03:24 PM
if sirus wasnt spending $500M on getting stern, the company might actually make some money
Gotta spend it to make it.
You may want to wait until March or so. From what I hear, most of the new subsricptions are only through March because people signed up for the quarterly billing plan. The true test is whether or not people stick around, so check out the subscription numbers in March before you consider buying.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 02:04:37 PM
Gotta spend it to make it.
LOL, they'll never recover from that blundering mistake. they are already selling commercials for Stern to try to make up for it.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 20, 2006, 02:03:24 PM
if sirus wasnt spending $500M on getting stern, the company might actually make some money
Gotta spend it to make it.
Sounds like about a bazillion business plans I read about in 1998 and 1999.
That worked out well.
u just gotta know when to get out. stillupfront...do you know how much it has gone up since it first came out on the market?
Quote from: mussa on January 20, 2006, 04:00:24 PM
u just gotta know when to get out. stillupfront...do you know how much it has gone up since it first came out on the market?
roughly 0%
stilloncrack luvs him sum "free" stock tips.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 11, 2006, 07:43:59 PM
Free tip Western Refining is gonna IPO at $15-$17 a share.
Go buy it.
You will make 20-25% in the next 6 months.
That's a great ROI!
Buy stock in death. Then drive up the value of said stock by killing yourself.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 20, 2006, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: mussa on January 20, 2006, 04:00:24 PM
u just gotta know when to get out. stillupfront...do you know how much it has gone up since it first came out on the market?
roughly 0%
It has split 2 times I believe. If you bought the IPO, it's worth roughly three time the original investment.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 04:09:51 PM
stilloncrack luvs him sum "free" stock tips.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 11, 2006, 07:43:59 PM
Free tip Western Refining is gonna IPO at $15-$17 a share.
Go buy it.
You will make 20-25% in the next 6 months.
That's a great ROI!
In all fairness, that stock is up 11.55% since the IPO, but I doubt anyone here has the clout to get in on an IPO as an individual investor.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 20, 2006, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: mussa on January 20, 2006, 04:00:24 PM
u just gotta know when to get out. stillupfront...do you know how much it has gone up since it first came out on the market?
roughly 0%
It has split 2 times I believe. If you bought the IPO, it's worth roughly three time the original investment.
it's never split. it's value is pretty much equal to it's IPO value, it shot up a few years ago, only to come back down.
there has never been a stock split for sirius radio. paying $500M for stern was a mistake.
(http://chart.finance.yahoo.com/c/my/s/siri)
He's right -- so far, if you bought and held from the beginning, you'd be about even (not counting inflation and all that crap)
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2006, 04:24:07 PMIn all fairness, that stock is up 11.55% since the IPO, but I doubt anyone here has the clout to get in on an IPO as an individual investor.
Sure they do, man (Why do you hate America???). You can just call up your broker and buy some shares.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2006, 04:24:07 PMIn all fairness, that stock is up 11.55% since the IPO, but I doubt anyone here has the clout to get in on an IPO as an individual investor.
Sure they do, man (Why do you hate America???). You can just call up your broker and buy some shares.
Actually
Dio, this is sort of where our ideas blend together. After being in the investment biz for almost 10 years now, I have seen the "common guy" get farged too many times.
Butcher's Bill is so out of touch with the 'common man' that he doesn't even know the commonly used term for the 'common man.'
You mean I couldn't just ring Winstead and direct him to lay ahold of a couple thousand shares? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
Well, at least there's Ameritrade.com. Sure I can go there and take control over my financial well being, right!?!
Quote from: DemonchildrenOnTurf on January 20, 2006, 04:32:26 PM
He's right -- so far, if you bought and held from the beginning, you'd be about even (not counting inflation and all that crap)
i was considering investing in one of the satelite radio companies...after looking at both, i wisely decided against it entirely.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2006, 04:40:24 PM
Butcher's Bill
His name is
Joel.
TollJoel if he's aggravating me. This silly new handle should be ignored.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2006, 04:40:24 PM
Butcher's Bill is so out of touch with the 'common man' that he doesn't even know the commonly used term for the 'common man.'
You may want to take a step or two back...I can smell your boyfriends manhood on your breath.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 04:41:51 PM
You mean I couldn't just ring Winstead and direct him to lay ahold of a couple thousand shares? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
Well, at least there's Ameritrade.com. Sure I can go there and take control over my financial well being, right!?!
I am specifically talking about IPO's and the abuses that go with them. Yes, you can go to Ameritrade and purchase shares in the secondary market (although Sharebuilder.com may be easier for "small" investors).
I can't get in on the ground floor? Why not? I've got $250 saved up to invest!! That's like 15 shares!! I got this great tip and I'm ready to join in the American dream. 20% over six months, just think of it! In 300 years, I'll have enough to buy a house!! You know, if the stock market doesn't crash, that is.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 04:50:56 PM
I can't get in on the ground floor? Why not? I've got $250 saved up to invest!! That's like 15 shares!! I got this great tip and I'm ready to join in the American dream. 20% over six months, just think of it! In 300 years, I'll have enough to buy a house!! You know, if the stock market doesn't crash, that is.
Nah, why don't we just liquidate the holdings (houses, securities, everything) of everyone in the US who makes more than you, and give you a house you didn't earn instead?
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2006, 04:43:07 PM
You may want to take a step or two back...I can smell your boyfriends manhood on your breath.
How shocking! A gay joke! You must keep your friend in stitches
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2006, 04:24:07 PMIn all fairness, that stock is up 11.55% since the IPO, but I doubt anyone here has the clout to get in on an IPO as an individual investor.
Sure they do, man (Why do you hate America???). You can just call up your broker and buy some shares.
Share Builder will let you get in on IPO's for around $1500
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2006, 04:57:01 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2006, 04:43:07 PM
You may want to take a step or two back...I can smell your boyfriends manhood on your breath.
How shocking! A gay joke! You must keep your friend in stitches
I have no idea why you have a hard on for me today...I've said nothing to you, so farg off.
Just pointing out how boring and idiotic you are. It's one of my hobbies.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2006, 05:01:29 PM
Just pointing out how boring and idiotic you are. It's one of my hobbies.
at least you did it in a kind and helpful manner
Quote from: rjs246 on January 20, 2006, 05:01:29 PM
Just pointing out how boring and idiotic you are. It's one of my hobbies.
LOL! To borrow a line from PG:
pot...kettle...black.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2006, 04:55:22 PMNah, why don't we just liquidate the holdings (houses, securities, everything) of everyone in the US who makes more than you, and give you a house you didn't earn instead?
You and Adam Smith, always thinking. Actually, I'd be satisfied if we just agreed that no one earns more than oh, let's say two mil per year, and move on. Everything over that amount is spent on the people. Universal health care, build schools, roads, railways, pay cops, teachers, and firefighters better,etc. You want to get rich, you can. Two mil a year is enough for anyone. Work real hard sucking dick in the corporate world, or invent a cool doo-hickey, and you can wallow in as much as 2 mil per year. Meanwhile, the rest of us who want to just work a job and live our lives can get on with it in the security of a stable, civilized society.
And those who don't want to work? Well they can wallow in their own shtein. Just like they do now.
But seriously, back to the subject at hand: Say I did want to invest my $250 savings in this great tip. I want in on the ground floor. How do I go about that? Because I want to get started on my membership in the "ownership society." I've heard there are great perks.
PG is a fine source of humor. Ask anyone.
she's an artist and smilies are her paints
I think Danny Glover is one of the funniest people on the planet, when speaking about comedy.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
Share Builder will let you get in on IPO's for around $1500
Right, so in other words the majority of Americans cannot afford to try an IPO. Who the hell has $1500 cash laying around they can afford to risk?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 05:03:07 PM
You and Adam Smith, always thinking. Actually, I'd be satisfied if we just agreed that no one earns more than oh, let's say two mil per year, and move on. Everything over that amount is spent on the people. Universal health care, build schools, roads, railways, pay cops, teachers, and firefighters better,etc. You want to get rich, you can. Two mil a year is enough for anyone. Work real hard sucking dick in the corporate world, or invent a cool doo-hickey, and you can wallow in as much as 2 mil per year. Meanwhile, the rest of us who want to just work a job and live our lives can get on with it in the security of a stable, civilized society.
And those who don't want to work? Well they can wallow in their own shtein. Just like they do now.
But seriously, back to the subject at hand: Say I did want to invest my $250 savings in this great tip. I want in on the ground floor. How do I go about that? Because I want to get started on my membership in the "ownership society." I've heard there are great perks.
I have no problem with a max salary, but it would have to be higher than $2mm per year because there would be no tax base. How about $20mm per year, with a tax rate of about 50% for anything above $10mm?
The "ground floor" as you desrcibe it would have been to know the inventors (or in this case the engineers/owners) of the company BEFORE it went public. The IPO is hardly the ground floor. But, if someone had $250 and wanted to invest aggressively the smart move would be to start with a "growth" mutual fund and add $25 a month or so.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
Share Builder will let you get in on IPO's for around $1500
Right, so in other words the majority of Americans cannot afford to try an IPO. Who the hell has $1500 cash laying around they can afford to risk?
upfront's dealer. Duh.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
Share Builder will let you get in on IPO's for around $1500
Right, so in other words the majority of Americans cannot afford to try an IPO. Who the hell has $1500 cash laying around they can afford to risk?
the amount needed to invest in an IPO varies and is set by the company offering the stock, not broker. it's not always 1500.
also, it should be noted that it is not a fee to invest. it's a minimum investment.
also, if you only have $250 to risk. the best advise would be to not invest it. after broker fees it's hardly worth it, when you can get almost 4% in a savings account at a bank like ING, and close to 6% on a CD.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
Share Builder will let you get in on IPO's for around $1500
Right, so in other words the majority of Americans cannot afford to try an IPO. Who the hell has $1500 cash laying around they can afford to risk?
How about every season ticket holder on this board?
Quote from: Wingspan on January 20, 2006, 05:20:20 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 05:11:43 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
Share Builder will let you get in on IPO's for around $1500
Right, so in other words the majority of Americans cannot afford to try an IPO. Who the hell has $1500 cash laying around they can afford to risk?
the amount needed to invest in an IPO varies and is set by the company offering the stock, not broker. it's not always 1500.
also, it should be noted that it is not a fee to invest. it's a minimum investment.
also, if you only have $250 to risk. the best advise would be to not invest it. after broker fees it's hardly worth it, when you can get almost 4% in a savings account at a bank like ING, and close to 6% on a CD.
Not through an organization like share builder. They bulk buy the stuff. Why invest 250? Why not do it weekly? The broker's fees are minimized.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 20, 2006, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on January 20, 2006, 04:55:22 PMNah, why don't we just liquidate the holdings (houses, securities, everything) of everyone in the US who makes more than you, and give you a house you didn't earn instead?
Actually, I'd be satisfied if we just agreed that no one earns more than oh, let's say two mil per year, and move on. Everything over that amount is spent on the people. Universal health care, build schools, roads, railways, pay cops, teachers, and firefighters better,etc. You want to get rich, you can. Two mil a year is enough for anyone. Work real hard sucking dick in the corporate world, or invent a cool doo-hickey, and you can wallow in as much as 2 mil per year. Meanwhile, the rest of us who want to just work a job and live our lives can get on with it in the security of a stable, civilized society.
And those who don't want to work? Well they can wallow in their own shtein. Just like they do now.
Are you farging shteinting me?? farg You!! In the next several months I intend to quit my job. Mortgage my self to the gills and start my own business. I certainly expect to make over 2 mil per year withn 5 years. If I am taking the risk and working my ass off, why shouldn't I benefit to the maximum. I could care less if someone is not willing to take advantage of the wonderful gift that is capitalism. HEALTHCARE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT A RIGHT! If teachers don't like the pay, they should find another line of work. Cops and Firefighters are lazy union iceholes. They should be paid on their merit. People should grow a set and learn to take care of themselves.
Oh and another thing. This month was MLK day. I have been watching a load of crap on TV all week. One thing that stood out all week was one quote. To paraphrase: Each American has a right to a living wage. That's a load of shtein. America is the land of opportunity. Everyone has the right to work their asses off, take risks, and get paid according to these principles.
whats the new business?
Design/Build firm specializing in mission critical space.
LMFAO
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 11:43:26 PM
Are you farging shteinting me?? farg You!! In the next several months I intend to quit my job.
That's the only part of your prattling anyone not on crack would believe.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 11:43:26 PM
If teachers don't like the pay, they should find another line of work.
And with that one sentence the crackhead has summed up why our education system is one of the worst in the first world. People intelligent and driven enough to be teachers can't make any money doing it. So they do something else that will actually pay their bills. Health care may not be a right, but if we feel that basic education is a right this country had better do something to help its teachers or our stupid farging children are just going to get stupider and drag down our entire country with them.
Here farging here.
(http://online.barrons.com/public/resources/images/OA-AC500_BA0AD0_20060120202445.gif)
What does "shares outstanding" mean?
it just means the number of stocks that a company actually has issued.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 21, 2006, 10:59:20 AM
Quote from: stillupfront on January 20, 2006, 11:43:26 PM
If teachers don't like the pay, they should find another line of work.
And with that one sentence the crackhead has summed up why our education system is one of the worst in the first world. People intelligent and driven enough to be teachers can't make any money doing it. So they do something else that will actually pay their bills. Health care may not be a right, but if we feel that basic education is a right this country had better do something to help its teachers or our stupid farging children are just going to get stupider and drag down our entire country with them.
School is only to teach you how to be self reliant, and how to find answers. See where we are when we are 30. Way, way ahead of everyone else.
Quote from: stillupfront on January 23, 2006, 10:36:24 PM
School is only to teach you how to be self reliant, and how to find answers. See where we are when we are 30. Way, way ahead of everyone else.
I'm completely dumbfounded by this response. I'm not even sure what to say. If that is what you think education is for then we are so unbelievably far apart in what we believe that I'm pretty sure that nothing can be accomplished by saying anything else and that this conversation is over.