Quote2006 Draft Projection
* denotes underclassman
1. Houston -- *Reggie Bush, RB, USC
2. New Orleans -- Matt Leinart, QB, USC
3. Tennessee -- *Vince Young, QB, Texas
4. New York Jets -- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
5. Green Bay -- *Mario Williams, DE, NC State
6. Oakland -- A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State
7. San Francisco -- DeMeco Ryans, LB, Alabama
8. Buffalo -- *Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
9. Detroit -- Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
10. Arizona -- DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
11. St. Louis -- *Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
12. Cleveland -- Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa
13. Baltimore -- Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
14. Philadelphia -- *Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
15. Atlanta -- Michael Huff, DB, Texas
16. Miami -- *Winston Justice, OT, USC
17. Minnesota -- *LenDale White, RB, USC
18. Dallas -- Jimmy Williams, DB, Virginia Tech
19. San Diego -- *Ko Simpson, DB, South Carolina
20. Kansas City -- *Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
21. New England -- Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio State
22. Denver (from Wash.) -- Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
23. Tampa Bay -- Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State
24. Cincinnati -- Claude Wroten, DT, LSU
25. New York Giants -- *Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State
26. Chicago -- *Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
27. Carolina -- *Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
28. Pittsburgh -- *Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
29. Jacksonville -- Thomas Howard, LB, UTEP
30. Indianapolis -- *Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
31. Denver -- *Darnell Bing, DB, USC
32. Seattle -- *Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
If Mathia Kiwankua is on the board at 14 and the Eagles pass on him, I will be in killin' mode. No thanks on Santonio Holmes. We need defense!!
i am staking my claim for Winston Justice right now....
according to Mel, he'll be there
Santonio Holmes? What the farg is Kiper thinking? Bleh, he must be getting warmed up.
He's 5'11" and 185. Just what the Eagles need.
trade up for AJ Hawk and then trade up again and nab Bobby Carpenter. Let Simoneau Start at WLB. holla.
I really don't know much about the draft, or really anything for that matter. But I know the last thing we need is another rookie WR.
The Eagles won't draft Santonio Holmes. Kiper will figure that out in the next 3 months.
Here is the latest from some random guy, who seems more tuned in than Kiper thus far:
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1. Houston Texans - Reggie Bush*, RB USC
Even with the presence of Dominick Davis, I doubt the Texans would pass on Bush unless they can work out a deal to swap picks. I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade down.
2. New Orleans Saints - Matt Leinart, QB USC
Aaron Brooks is a big part of the reason New Orleans has been so inconsistent over the past few years and it's time to go in another direction.
3. Tennessee Titans – Vince Young*, QB Texas
Steve McNair doesn't have many years left and Young could use a year or two to improve his game. His upside, however, is unlimited, and he's well worth a top-five pick. I could also see the Titans moving down a few spots to gain an extra pick or two. They have a lot of holes to fill.
4. New York Jets – D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
The loss of offensive tackle Kareem McKenzie to free agency last year turned out to be a huge one, and Ferguson could anchor the left side for years to come.
5. Green Bay Packers – Mario Williams*, DE North Carolina State
A consistent pass rush would do wonders for the development of their young secondary and Mario Williams is the best defensive end in college football.
6. Oakland Raiders – Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
Derrick Burgess has been doing a god job since coming over from Philadelphia, but the Raiders need to generate more consistent pressure on opposing QBs and Hali is a relentless pass rusher.
7. San Francisco 49ers – A.J. Hawk, OLB Ohio State
There's a good chance LB Julian Peterson will be gone, and Hawk should be ready to start from day one.
8. Buffalo Bills – Haloti Ngata*, DT Oregon
The loss of nose tackle Pat Williams has been devastating to the Bills run defense. Ngata is the top defensive tackle, in my opinion, and he has the tremendous size needed to stuff the run.
9. Detroit Lions – Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
Williams can play corner or safety, and would immediately upgrade the Lions secondary. Trading down for an offensive tackle is a solid possibility here as well.
10. Arizona Cardinals – DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis,
At this point, there's not a huge need that can be filled without reaching, so they go with the value pick. They invested a high second-round pick in J.J. Arrington last year, but Williams' has a much higher upside.
11. St. Louis Rams - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
Leonard Little will be 31 this year and the team could use another pass rusher in the rotation.
12. Cleveland Browns - DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
Linebackers are key to Crennel's defense and I expect him to continue concentrating on defense early in the draft.
13. Baltimore Ravens – LenDale White*, RB USC
Jamal Lewis came on strong toward the end of the '05 season, but he may not be back with the team in '06. White is another bruising type of runner who could fill the same role.
14. Philadelphia Eagles – Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
Keith Adams just doesn't cut it on the weak side, and needs to be replaced. Greenway has good field vision and a nice combination of physical skills.
15. Atlanta Falcons - Michael Huff, DB Texas
Atlanta could use some help in the secondary, and Huff can play either corner or safety.
kiper has the eagles taking a WR every year with their top pick.
That mock isn't too bad, DC. But there's no way in hell Hali is the 6th pick. I understand the Raiders are morons, but...
Ugh. Hawk would be a steal for Oakland @ 6. I really hope that doesn't happen.
BTW: I agree with Phreak. I'd rather have Kiwanuka or LenDale White at that pick.
Quote6. Oakland Raiders – Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
Derrick Burgess has been doing a god job since coming over from Philadelphia, but the Raiders need to generate more consistent pressure on opposing QBs and Hali is a relentless pass rusher.
Did anyone else scratch their head with this comment? More pressure?? I see what he's getting at but I thought his wording was amusing.
Ugh. Hawk would be a steal for Oakland @ 6
have another
hali has bust written all over him...great motors might work in the awful big ten but in the nfl you need athletic ability
id take lendale white before id take any wr
demeco ryans tops my wish list
mario williams is my wet dream
I'm curious to see who the Skins will get in the first round.
They'll get Thai food.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2006, 03:08:54 PM
hali has bust written all over him...great motors might work in the awful big ten but in the nfl you need athletic ability
Yep, I agree. The BEST he'll ever be is another flash-in-the-pan a la KGB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2006, 03:08:54 PM
hali has bust written all over him...great motors might work in the awful big ten but in the nfl you need athletic ability
he's a Michael Haynes special
Mario Williams is my wet dream as well. The only way they get him is we hope that several Mike Mamula's emerge and people reach for them causing Mario to drop.
But if he's gone, which he will barring a big move up, then they need to go after Kiwi.
Yeah, you guys are right. Other than having sub-4.5 speed in the 40, Hawk has no athletic ability whatsoever.
:-D
I prefer a DL over a LB.
Get LB via FA.
Andy drafting LBs = train wreck.
BTW: I just found this little tidbit on a draft site that explains quite a bit about certain posters "unbiased" opinions on Hawk:
QuoteHIGH SCHOOL/PERSONAL: He chose the Buckeyes over Penn State.
::) :-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2006, 03:25:59 PM
BTW: I just found this little tidbit on a draft site that explains quite a bit about certain posters "unbiased" opinions on Hawk:
QuoteHIGH SCHOOL/PERSONAL: He chose the Buckeyes over Penn State.
I didn't know, and I don't care. All I know is that IGY said whites couldn't be star LB's, so I'm going with that.
I agree with the Mario Williams peeps. He is #1 on my list as well.
All I know is that IGY said whites couldn't be star LB's, so I'm going with that
they can be but its about a once a decade occurance...definitely not worth a top ten pick...and to say hawk would be a steal at six is super funny
Would love to see them get a chance at trading up for Williams, but it's unlikely. If they stay at #14, how about Huff as a replacement for Dawk? :-\
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 17, 2006, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 17, 2006, 03:25:59 PM
BTW: I just found this little tidbit on a draft site that explains quite a bit about certain posters "unbiased" opinions on Hawk:
QuoteHIGH SCHOOL/PERSONAL: He chose the Buckeyes over Penn State.
I didn't know, and I don't care. All I know is that IGY said whites couldn't be star LB's, so I'm going with that.
Now there's something we can all agree on. Except Urlacher.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:38:42 PM
Would love to see them get a chance at trading up for Williams, but it's unlikely. If they stay at #14, how about Huff as a replacement for Dawk? :-\
Very possible. But I think Huff might go a little earlier than 14. STL could be a spot for him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2006, 03:34:11 PM
All I know is that IGY said whites couldn't be star LB's, so I'm going with that
they can be but its about a once a decade occurance...definitely not worth a top ten pick...and to say hawk would be a steal at six is super funny
Considering he was projected to be in the top three before Young & Bush declared, then yeah, Oakland would be getting a steal with him @ 6.
BTW: Is anyone else considering declaring who in doing so would possibly affect the draft order? I haven't heard of anyone else but you never know.
The deadline passed, and most mocks already included Bush, Mario Williams and Ngata, with a few having Young as well, so the underclassmen didn't affect things that much...
Why is the deadline so early? The college season just ended two weeks ago and the NFL season hasn't even finished yet.
Is it a recruiting issue, scholarship thing or what?
Never understood that.
I think it has something to do with the spring semesters starting at schools. January 15th was the date to declare.
What I would like if the draft were today:
Greenway, White (never happen and he'd be a waste on the Birds anyway) or a top flight OL in the first round please. Flip the positions in the second round (LB or OL, whichever wasn't picked first). DT in the third. Depth on defense for the rest of the draft.
I don't want Tamba Hali. I don't like his size. I don't think he'll do much in the NFL. If we can't get Williams or Kiwanuka I'd pass on Hali.
It's tricky because I'd rather have Williams than Abraham, but if we can't trade up for Williams then it'll be too late to sign Abraham because the draft is in april. I'd rather them just get Abraham. It's doubtfil the Eagles could trade up to get Williams.
I like Greenway though. He'd be a nice pick.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 17, 2006, 03:38:42 PM
Would love to see them get a chance at trading up for Williams, but it's unlikely. If they stay at #14, how about Huff as a replacement for Dawk? :-\
That'd be alright with me... as long as we've addressed the front 7 with FA's at that point. Otherwise, I want that #1 pick to go to an immediate need.
Everything will hinge on what is done with free agency. If Reid were to pull off a trade for a guy like Witherspoon, and also pick up a decent DT, then I can easily see him going RB with the first pick (White would be niiiiiice). I really don't like the Reid staff's evaluation of college LBs and DEs. I'd rather go with a couple of trusted names for the meat of the defense.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 18, 2006, 12:57:35 PM
Everything will hinge on what is done with free agency. If Reid were to pull off a trade for a guy like Witherspoon, and also pick up a decent DT, then I can easily see him going RB with the first pick (White would be niiiiiice). I really don't like the Reid staff's evaluation of college LBs and DEs. I'd rather go with a couple of trusted names for the meat of the defense.
No matter what happens in FA, I would bet $20 Reid does not go for a running back in the first round.
Any takers can PM me.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 18, 2006, 01:14:44 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 18, 2006, 12:57:35 PM
Everything will hinge on what is done with free agency. If Reid were to pull off a trade for a guy like Witherspoon, and also pick up a decent DT, then I can easily see him going RB with the first pick (White would be niiiiiice). I really don't like the Reid staff's evaluation of college LBs and DEs. I'd rather go with a couple of trusted names for the meat of the defense.
No matter what happens in FA, I would bet $20 Reid does not go for a running back in the first round.
Any takers can PM me.
I don't think there's a chance in hell of him grabbing a RB in the 1st either. I'm just saying that addressing DE/DT and OLB in FA before hand is the only way I wouldn't throw my remote through my TV if that were to happen.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 18, 2006, 12:57:35 PM
I really don't like the Reid staff's evaluation of college LBs and DEs.
i really don't like the Reid staff's evaluation of any position in the draft the past few years.
Birds can still draft a decent O lineman in the second round. Someone like Lutui out of USC is a beast at 6-6 370. He could play OG or OT. HE should be available in second round. I too am very worried we'll screw this pick up.
Uh, Patterson, Brown and Cole all contributed and started this year.
Andrews started all season long.
That's 4 starters in the past two years from the draft. Do you guys want every pick to turn into a pro-bowler? Effective starters is what the draft is for. Getting a pro-bowler out of it is a total crap shoot.
I'm sticking with my prediction of DB in the first round.
Quote from: Don Ho on January 18, 2006, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 18, 2006, 12:57:35 PM
I really don't like the Reid staff's evaluation of college LBs and DEs.
i really don't like the Reid staff's evaluation of any position in the draft the past few years.
overall, i would say they evaluate the following positions rather well...
RB - Buckhalter, Moats, Westbrook, limited promise in perry
OL - Andrews, herremans (bryzinski and welbourn), some of the UDFA or castoff OL have also shown promise
DB
Quote from: General_Failure on January 18, 2006, 02:06:31 PM
I'm sticking with my prediction of DB in the first round.
That wouldn't make a ton of sense but anything to get Lito to actually play like he means it.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 18, 2006, 02:02:40 PM
Uh, Patterson, Brown and Cole all contributed and started this year.
Andrews started all season long.
That's 4 starters in the past two years from the draft. Do you guys want every pick to turn into a pro-bowler? Effective starters is what the draft is for. Getting a pro-bowler out of it is a total crap shoot.
Like........duh.
I'd just like them to turn into Pro Bowlers before they leave for bigger contracts.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 18, 2006, 02:02:40 PM
Do you guys want every pick to turn into a pro-bowler?
YES, DAMMIT!
Kipers draft chat:
Buzzmaster: Helloooooooo! Mel Kiper will be here shortly to break down the NFL Draft prospects and look ahead to the Senior Bowl!
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: My initial first round is up, the Senior Bowl is coming and we're ready to chat it up!
Matt (Detroit): I saw that you had the Lions taking Cutler in the first round. Wouldn't they be better off drafting an OT or a playmaker on the other side of the ball?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: QB is a need area, too, and Cutler has a chance to be that high. They need a RT and that's a little early for Winston Justice, and as for defense they could get someone like Tamba Hali. Remember, we're 3.5 months away from the draft and I'm just trying to put guys in a general area to fill one of a team's top three needs.
Dan Exton, PA : Mel, I saw you have the Dolphins taking a tackle from USC and they do need that but couldn't they use a DT or a DB as well and who would be available. Thanks
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: From a DT standpoint Haloti Ngata might slide down a little, and in the secondary someone like South Carolina S Ko Simpson would work out. As for Winston Justice, he can play anywhwere along the line except center and would provide them with good versatility up front, which they need. He would make a lot of sense at No. 16.
Eric (Indy): Mel, I heard you had LMaroney drop down to #30 Colts. He seems like he should be higher being a possible heisman candidate.
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: All RBs drop. Clinton Portis went in the mid-second. The history of the draft tells us they always slide down. Maroney, LenDale White and DeAngelo Williams are vying for the second RB spot behind Bush, and with few teams having key need at RB it's hard to figure there guys. Someone in that group could go as high at No. 10 and the others could drop into the late first.
Dave (Hollywood): Mel: Do the Bucs have a shot at drafting McNeill from Auburn? Will there other need area be the d-line?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: Tampa Bay's main needs are WR, OL and strongside LB in my eyes. They could look at WR Derek Hagan of Arizona State, but I don't know if there will be an offensive lineman worth taking at their spot.
Chris (Lacey WA): Mel - any chance of one of those RB's is available to GB at the start of the 2nd round? What about a TE like Fasano or Pope in that spot?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: TE is not a priority for them. They need OLB, CB and DL help. If they thought about RB someone like Maurice Drew of UCLA, Joseph Addai of LSU or Brian Calhoun of Wisconsin. Not probable, though, that one of the big names will drop down that far.
Steven (Ohio): Mel,with running backs sliding do the Steelers have a shot at White to replace the Bus?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: He could. The Steelers would love to have him with his power and nose for the end zone, and don't forget that they traded up to get Troy Polamalu from USC. But it's too early to project definitive spots for these guys with no workouts having been completed.
aron (clemson): who are the giants looking at to draft, are they gonna try to get some db help b/c god knows they need that, or maybe another WR, or someone to help their depleted LB core?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: Corner, LB, DT, OT are all needs for the Giants. There's a chance that OSU corner Ashton Youboty could drop that far, or maybe they take a chance on FSU forner Antonio Cromartie, who did not play this year because of a knee injury. Right now, though, I have them taking FSU LB Ernie Sims to help that front seven.
Josh (Marco Island, Fla): What QB's at the Senior Bowl can show the NFL teams that they can be a QB at the next level? Especially from the Dolphins standpoint, it looks like that they will try and get a QB in the later rounds. Your thoughts?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: The main guy looking to move up will be Brodie Croyle of Alabama. He didn't have much protection or his main WR late in the year becuase of injury, and with his improved decision-making and strong arm he has a chance to open some eyes.
Duane (Michigan): What can the Browns do at 12? Will they draft for D-line or O-line possibly?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: Cleveland definitley needs to look in the trenches. They also need a pass rusher for the 3-4. Right now Iowa LB Chad Greenway would be a good fit at that spot to start to shore up the front seven.
Jon (Rockton, IL): Virginia tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson is slated to be a top-10 pick in this year's draft. What do you say to those who don't want their team drafting offensive lineman that early because they aren't widely considered 'exciting' or 'impact' players?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: I would go back to the Baltimore's first pick after moving: UCLA OT Jonathan Ogedn. That worked out well for them. Teams are looking for the best players, and Ferguson is the best fit for them when it comes to keeping Chad Pennington healthy and off his back. The Jets also have a lot of other needs, but he looks like the best option right now.
Cooper (Brevard, NC): Do you think the Panthers will take a WR first round, or O-line like they should. Also, is MLB a spot they need to look at having some more depth at?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: The main needs for the Panthers are WR, a pass-catching TE and an OT. If they have a chance to get someone like Georgia's Leonard Pope or Notre Dame's Anthony Fasano at TE they would be in good shape. Jake Delhomme needs another reliable target in the middle of the field, and Drew Carter has shown improvement at WR making TE a good bet for them.
Kyle (Columbus, Ga): Should the Falcons take a secondary player or a running back to eventually replace Dunn?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: They will be looking at a DB for sure, be it corner or safety. They also need upgrades at OT and on defense. But Michael Huff of Texas is exactly what this team needs with his speed and toughness in the secondary. They could get a RB in the mix, but it's not pressing for them right now.
Ryan (SF): Morning Mel.. Any chance you could see Vernon Davis climbing all the way to teh 7th pick with the 49ers and if not any possible trading partners below them where we could grab an extra pick and Davis? Thanks!!
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: That's a definite possibilty. I went with Alabama LB DeMeco Ryans there, but they could definitely use a pass-catching TE to take some pressure off Alex Smith. and Davis will likely be in that general area.
Joe (Green Bay): Do you see the Chiefs trading Priest Holmes to move up in the draft? If so, who would be interested?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: It's hard to forecast his health, but I don't know if KC will have to do a lot of moving from their slot. They need a CB and Ashton Youboty could be available for them. He had a great finish to the season and would make a lot of sense.
Ensign (Los Angeles, CA): The Bears taking 6'7" Leonard Pope in the first round is something all Bears fans can agree on. What is Dominick Byrd from USC lacking that prevents him from being a to TE prospect? Top meaning a 1-3?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: Not alot is keeping him out of that group. He is 6-3, 260 and has good hands but was not utilized in the passing game as much as most thought he would be. He's solidly in the second round, though. He;s similar to guys like Todd Heap or Alge Crumpler, who had high grades but fell into the late first and early second rounds, respectively. And don't forget that Davis, Pope and Fasano are very good players. The TE position is strong with other names like Marcedes Lewis of UCLA and Owen Daniels of Wisconsin, David Thomas of Texas, Tim Day of Oregon and Cooper Wallace of Auburn.
Ron (Van Nuys, CA): Why do the raiders need another LB in HAWK? I think safty is a bigger issue. Trade possible?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: OLB, CB, DL and S are all needs there. Hawk would be a great upgrade for a team that needs to fix the front seven. And at No. 6 they need to get a guy who is worthy of being taken that high regardless of need. Don't force a pick and take the No. 10 or 12 guy there. Make it an elite guy and Hawk is just that.
JOE(SACRAMENTO): PASS RUSHER OR WR FOR DENVER? WHAT ABOUT DB DEPTH?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: I gave them USC S Darnell Bing at No. 22 to shore up that defensive backfield, and before that DE Mathias Kiwanuka of Boston College to shore up that pass rush. They can take care of two needs in the first round.
Nancy (houston): Any chance that Reggie McNeal or Brad Smith plays QB in the NFL?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: McNeal could get a shot. He has skills but needs some fine-tuning and would benefit from learning under a good QB coach. He'll get a long look at that position. Smith will have to change positions, likely to WR. Marques Hagans of Virginia will be a WR and return man as well.
Paul (Boston): What do you think the pats will do at 21? I see you have them taking carpenter but I think he merits a 2nd round pick? I'd like a DB or RB with that pick
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: They could go RB and I thought about LenDale White there. CB is also an area they could improve, but the best guys at those positions should be gone. As for Carpenter, he IS worthy of a first-round pick. He's 6-3, 260 and runs 4.5 and he has a lot of versatility to move around in that 3-4 defense. They can get a RB later in the draft, so don't force that position here.
Rick (Cleveland): The Bills need help at DT, but is Ngota from oregon worth the eighth pick?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: At this point, yes. He's 6-4 1/2, 338 and is difficult to move off the line of scrimmage. He can also get into the backfield and create some havoc and would give them a stout presence on the interior. But as with every other prospect, things are still to be determined based on workouts and verification of computer numbers. After the combine and Senior Bowl we'll have a much better idea. As I said before, right now we're just putting guys in general areas based on the top three needs of each team.
Wes (York, PA): Where do you see Tamba Hali falling to? Would he be a fit for Philly at no. 14?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: There's a chance, as I have him going one pick before to Baltimore. DE is a need for them, as are WR, OT and OLB. I gave them WR Santonio Holmes of OSU, who would be a nice pickup to complement Reggie Brown and give McNabb another weapon. But if the addres that need through free agency there is a definite chance they could get someone like Hali.
Michael (Dallas): What position do you see the Seahawks coveting in the draft?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: They lack a true No. 1 wideout, and could upgrade at DE and OLB. I have WR Chad Jackson of Florida in that spot right now and he would give Matt Hasselbeck some help. There are not a lot of pressing needs for Seattle right now but some slight upgrades could be made.
Jesse (Washington): The Raiders need a qb and is andrew the next big thing in Oakland?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: I don't think they look to QB this year. They took Andrew Walter with the third pick in the third round and you don't take a QB that high and not expect to play him. He's a tall, strong guy with a good arm and will get a shot. With needs all over the field I don't think they take another young passer. Maybe a veteran, but not another draft pick.
Kyle (San Diego): Whats the buzz around Mike Hass? Alot of teams seem to need that reliable second receiver. where could he end up in the draft?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: He's always reminded me of Rioky Prohel. Hass is 6-0 1/2, 210 and has excellent hands. He could play a nice role as a third or fourth guy with the right team, but he looks like an early second-day pick right now.
Jay Cincy: After watching my Bengals this year I figured the positions in most need are DT,DE,TE,SS,CB; roughly in that order. I would love the draft to pan out and they end up with Claude Wroten in the 1st round like your initial projection, but where to you see the Bengals focusing from the 2nd round on?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: You're right, they need a run-stuffer on defense, a TE, a safety and a CB. Defense will dictate the draft and Wroten would give them that guy up front. As for TE, Marcedes Lewis or Domonique Byrd would be good options a little later on.
Chris (Lacey WA): Mel - besides Ferguson of UVA who are some other linemen to watch out for and that the Packers could get later in the draft. We need some OL especially OG's.
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: Tackles like Ryan O'Callaghan of Cal, Marcus McNeill of Auburn, Jeremy Trueblood of BC, Kevin Booth of Cornell would be options in the second round. As for guards, Jason Spitz of Louisville, Max Jean-Gilles of Georgia and Taitusi Lutui and Fred Matua of USC are options as well.
Jim (LA): Who are some sleepers from small schools that we should look out for?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: First is DB Daniel Manning of Abilene Christian, an outstanting return man with great ball skills in coverage and also an effective special teams player. He could be a second-rounder. Other guys like QB Bruce Eugene of Grambling and Tarveras Jackson of Alabama State, RB Travis Glasford of Western Illinois, OT Jahri Evans of Bloomsburg State and DE Brent Hawkins of Illinois State warrant some attention.
Dan (Pittsburgh): Mel - with Kimo getting up there in age, I think the Steelers need a 3-4 DE to groom. Who could be there at the end of the first round that will be a DE in a 3-4 in the NFL?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: DTs who could fall a little are Dusty Dvoracek of Oklahoma, Jesse Mahelona of Tennessee, Titus Adams of Nebraska, Steve Fafita of Utah and McKinley Boykin of Ole Miss. They would fit into that 3-4 as DEs and could be potential picks.
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: Thanks for all the great questions. Keep looking over that first-round projection and look for the next one after the Senior Bowl. I'll be chatting from Mobile next Wednesday, so come back and get the scoop.
wow he thinks lendale white will go in the 20's
QuoteWes (York, PA): Where do you see Tamba Hali falling to? Would he be a fit for Philly at no. 14?
SportsNation Mel Kiper Jr.: There's a chance, as I have him going one pick before to Baltimore. DE is a need for them, as are WR, OT and OLB. I gave them WR Santonio Holmes of OSU, who would be a nice pickup to complement Reggie Brown and give McNabb another weapon. But if the addres that need through free agency there is a definite chance they could get someone like Hali.
No to Holmes, and No to Hali. Next question.
But wait, we don't have nearly enough undersized defensive linemen. Maybe I should declare myself elligible. I'm speedy and that's all that matters, right?
hali isnt even especially fast...'he has a motor that wont quit' tho
Just like Kalu! Yay!
Just like Kalu!
DING! DING! DING!
Winston Justice? That name's awesome.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on January 20, 2006, 12:01:31 PM
Winston Justice? That name's awesome.
i know, right? almost as awesome as D'Brickshaw Ferguson.
not quite as awesome as arrelious benn tho
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2006, 11:55:23 AM
Just like Kalu!
DING! DING! DING!
Yeah, except Kalu actually weighs more than 240 lbs.
Kearse doesn't.
Kiper might get 2 out of rhe top 5 right. He'll get maybe 5 guys right in the first round. He is an idiot, ignore him and his bad hair.
compared to most of the self proclaimed draft experts out there, Kiper knows what he is talking about.
Quote from: MURP on January 21, 2006, 12:19:45 AM
compared to most of the self proclaimed draft experts out there, Kiper knows what he is talking about.
I bet you like his hair too!
i cant stand the guy and used to think he was a tard, but once you get past all the nonsense he usually has a solid idea of what is going on.
Quote from: MURP on January 21, 2006, 12:39:55 AM
i cant stand the guy and used to think he was a tard, but once you get past all the nonsense he usually has a solid idea of what is going on.
Yeah, but your not denying your admiration for his hair.
he gives Jimmy Johnsons new spike hairdo a run for his money.
kiper = god
how can you not love the guy...hes an everyman who made himself into the worlds number one draftnik...the haters are just jealous that while hes on espn they are making their own pathetic predicitons on an internet message board...id take him as the eagles gm anyday
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2006, 09:41:08 AM
id take him as the eagles gm anyday
In all fairness, you think that you're qualified for that position, too... so your opinion on this matter is easily discounted.
given equal resources...i am definitely more than qualified to be the eagles gm...and id be better than andy reid...admittedly tho that isnt saying much
You are the definition of an "Armchair QB", IGY.
P.S. You couldn't even do a better job at GM than Karabell or Funston. But at least they know it's a fantasy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2006, 09:57:12 AM
given equal resources...i am definitely more than qualified to be the eagles gm...and id be better than andy reid...admittedly tho that isnt saying much
Tiresome.
What's amazing is that every one of you still takes the bait.
you think im kidding...give me a scouting dept and all the available film and travel expenses i need to see these kids and i could evaluate them as good or better than andy reid...any of us could
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2006, 03:58:03 PM
you think im kidding...give me a scouting dept and all the available film and travel expenses i need to see these kids and i could evaluate them as good or better than andy reid...any of us could
No... we don't think your kidding... or at least I don't. I just think you genuinely don't know what the farg you're talking about whenever we talk about this subject.
would you be my jason licht?
That'd be your only chance to succeed.
You can dere-licht my balls, cap-i-tan.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2006, 03:58:03 PM
you think im kidding...give me a scouting dept and all the available film and travel expenses i need to see these kids and i could evaluate them as good or better than andy reid...any of us could
Actually, you probably could.
The same thing can be said for picking stocks too. You can have a retarded chipmunk randomly crap on stock symbols & there is a good chance they would pick as good or better than the experts. I wouldn't be so proud. ;)
By Mel Kiper Jr.
Special to ESPN Insider
Following the week of Senior Bowl practices, there have been some changes to my first-round projection for the 2006 NFL draft. There are 14 underclassmen in this week's projected first round, three fewer than last week.
The top-six picks remain the same, but the one newcomer to the top 10 is Texas defensive back Michael Huff. Right now I have him projected to land in San Francisco, which has the seventh overall pick. What I like about Huff is his versatility because he can player either cornerback or safety.
This projected pick reminds me of what the 49ers did in 1981 in a similar situation. In the '81 draft, the 49ers had the eighth overall pick and selected another versatile defensive back, USC's Ronnie Lott.
I will submit another first-round projection following the NFL Combine, which is Feb. 22-28 in Indianapolis.
First-Round Projections
1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB* USC
2. New Orleans Matt Leinart, QB USC
3. Tennessee Vince Young, QB* Texas
4. NY Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia
5. Green Bay Mario Williams, DE* NC State
6. Oakland A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St.
7. San Francisco Michael Huff, DB Texas
8. Buffalo Haloti Ngata, DT* Oregon
9. Detroit Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
10. Arizona DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
11. St. Louis Vernon Davis, TE* Maryland
12. Cleveland Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
13. Baltimore Tamba Hali, DE Penn St.
14. Philadelphia Winston Justice, T* USC
15. Atlanta Jimmy Williams, DB Virginia Tech
16. Miami Ashton Youboty, CB* Ohio St.
17. Minnesota LenDale White, RB* USC
18. Dallas Marcus McNeill, T Auburn
19. San Diego Santonio Holmes, WR* Ohio St.
20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson
21. New England Laurence Maroney, RB* Minnesota
22. Denver (from WSH) Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
23. Tampa Bay DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
24. Cincinnati Ko Simpson, DB* South Carolina
25. NY Giants Johnathan Joseph, CB* South Carolina
26. Chicago Leonard Pope, TE* Georgia
27. Carolina Dominique Byrd, TE USC
28. Jacksonville Ernie Sims, OLB* Florida St.
29. Denver Sinorice Moss, WR Miami
30. Indianapolis Taitusi "Deuce" Lutui, G USC
31. Pittsburgh Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio St.
32. Seattle Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
* denotes underclassman
Quote14. Philadelphia Winston Justice, T* USC
Someone's going to be excited...
Mrs. Justice??
QuoteMrs. Justice??
Is what what Mo is going by these days?
that is what i am farging talking about
Drafting another offensive lineman in the first round?
Yay!
:P
Dude. The offensive and defensive lines both need help. The team could be losing one or both tackles. Picking someone for either line or a linebacker makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 09:49:46 AM
Drafting another offensive lineman in the first round?
Yay!
:P
I know! Its not like we need desperate help on the oline or anything. ::)
the tackles, especially the blind-side tackle, is almost as critical to an offense's success as the quarterback himself.
right now, they have a right tackle who is a 32 year old FA and a left tackle who has back problems. they need to get a young stud that can be a mainstay on the Oline for years.
QuoteI know! Its not like we need desperate help on the oline or anything.
Did PG just make a funny?
theyve taken seven offensive lineman in the last two years....where the hell are they all???
winston justice isnt ready to step in an start on a playoff/sb caliber team...if hes ready to start at all
the defensive front seven is an abomination...thats where help is needed most
outside of cornerback and quarterback at 14 id almost take any position over offensive line
lol...so, you're comparing the late round OL selections to a potential top 15 pick?
Quote from: Zanshin on February 01, 2006, 09:58:56 AM
lol...so, you're comparing the late round OL selections to a potential top 15 pick?
Beat me to it. :-D
they've taken a bunch of offensive line, but outside of Andrews, what's the highest they've taken one? a lot of those guys are role/backup guys. if they were ok with tackles, i wouldn't want to take OL in the 1st round because of what you said. but, they have a chance to get a stud tackle, they need to take one.
While I think the offensive line is almost as bad as the defensive line and therefore disagree with IGY, I would like to give props for using 'abomination.' Well done.
no im saying where are all the lineman they picked and signed over the last two three years...i dont care where along the way they got them...if they didnt think they could play then they shouldnt have wasted seven picks in the same area while the defense has shriveled away into nothing...trent cole stepped up and played well and he wasnt exactly a high pick...why cant one or two of these lineman have done the same
they have more pressing needs than taking another one...if they are that concerned with the tackles then buck up and sign runyan
only the very special rookie tackles step right in and play at a high level anyway...and justice is not one of those...they dont need a player in round one who is going to need a year or two of seasoning...they need an impact player and a defender gives you a much better chance of doing that at 14
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 10:05:30 AM
..trent cole stepped up and played well and he wasnt exactly a high pick...why cant one or two of these lineman have done the same
Herremans... Clarke... Jackson.
ok...herremans is the man why the need to take justice??
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 10:11:33 AM
ok...herremans is the man why the need to take justice??
I dont want Justice, but I suppose the thinking would be along the lines of my offensive line thread.. If Runyan and Tra are done and if they want to keep Andrews at G there is an opening at RT.
i cant believe theres people...not you... advocating that todd herremans and winston justice be the philadelphia eagles starting tackles next season
I demand justice, but not Justice.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2006, 09:51:13 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 09:49:46 AM
Drafting another offensive lineman in the first round?
Yay!
:P
I know! Its not like we need desperate help on the oline or anything. ::)
Desperate?
:-D
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 09:54:32 AM
QuoteI know! Its not like we need desperate help on the oline or anything.
Did PG just make a funny?
Well, she tried. For her, that's remarkable in and of itself.
i'm not advocating 2 young players at each tackle spot, that would be bad. if they cut Tra, they need to sign Runyan, if they let Runyan go, they need to keep Tra. then my man Winston can play the other spot. holla!
btw...i don't have some obsession with him, it's only my prediction that i made in the middle of January
As for me, Justice wouldn't be my first pick for that spot...but if they went that route, it certainly wouldn't be a headscratcher.
No, the line doesn't need desperate help.
Its just fine the way it is. I sure enjoyed seeing McNabb have about .2 seconds to get rid of the ball this past season. :yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 10:37:49 AM
Well, she tried. For her, that's remarkable in and of itself.
she did have to modify her post to add her smiley
Yes, I did...because I wasn't sure how many people would realize it was sarcasm.
the O-line may not have played all that great last year, but they played much better than the entire defense.
Drafting a college kid at 14 and expecting him to step in and start and be productive is wishful thinking at best.
Is the line in great shape? Ummm... no. Is drafting a kid in the first round the best way to shore it up? No.
The O-Line can be addressed via free agency and by re-signing guys that are already there (namely Runyan).
Quote from: PhillyGirl on February 01, 2006, 10:40:54 AM
Its just fine the way it is. I sure enjoyed seeing McNabb have about .2 seconds to get rid of the ball this past season. :yay
he didn't have a lot of time, you're right, but that wasn't entirely on the OL. teams blitzed the hell out of McNabb because they know that is the best way to rattle him. so while the OL wasn't playing great, they were also having to block 5 and 6 guys a lot of the time.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 10:46:21 AM
Drafting a college kid at 14 and expecting him to step in and start and be productive is wishful thinking at best.
Shawn Andrews?
the line did not play that bad...in the opener atlanta formulated the blueprint for how to defense the eagles and thats to blitz the crap outta mcnabb...once it was obvious he couldnt run the heat was turned up ten fold...but even at that when they had TO the passing game was pretty succesful...add in the refusal to run the ball....the absence of a pass blocking running back...the loss of TO and you had disaster...in straight up no blitz situations it performed well
now im not saying the offensive line doesnt need tweaking but i dont believe that it was terrible last year...and i dont believe they need to take a OL high in the draft this year
Defenses blitzed McNabb because he was hurt and because the Eagles running game was a laughingstock.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 10:48:38 AM
now im not saying the offensive line doesnt need tweaking but i dont believe that it was terrible last year...and i dont believe they need to take a OL high in the draft this year
normally, i would agree with you, but they need a long-term solution for the tackle positions, it's too important. if you can get a big-time player (even if he won't be a big-time contributor this year) you need to do it.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 10:46:21 AM
Drafting a college kid at 14 and expecting him to step in and start and be productive is wishful thinking at best.
Shawn Andrews?
Holla! :-D
Well, all the talk about last year's line is sort of moot if they're not planning on bringing one or more of the starting tackles back.
winning the superbowl this year>developing a tackle that might pan out two years down the road
ok, they're going to have plenty of cap room right? of course, what can be solved better through FA? the defensive front 7 or the OL? i say the defensive front 7.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 10:55:29 AM
winning the superbowl this year>developing a tackle that might pan out two years down the road
Wow, what insight. Isn't that statement true every year? The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 10:57:28 AM
ok, they're going to have plenty of cap room right? of course, what can be solved better through FA? the defensive front 7 or the OL? i say the defensive front 7.
It depends on who's available. We'll know more in March, obviously.
Speculating is fun but it's pointless to assume players which will be available via free agency.
But it's even more pointless to assume that a rookie will be able to step in and anchor an offensive line on a team that is supposed to be challenging for the Super Bowl next year.
It simply isn't going to happen, Mo.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 01, 2006, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 10:55:29 AM
winning the superbowl this year>developing a tackle that might pan out two years down the road
Wow, what insight. Isn't that statement true every year? The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
It depends. If you're the GM of the 49ers or Texans, it's a hell of a lot more accurate than if you're Andy Reid.
What I meant was...that's been true of the Eagles for the better part of the last decade.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 10:59:33 AM
It depends on who's available. We'll know more in March, obviously.
Speculating is fun but it's pointless to assume players which will be available via free agency.
But it's even more pointless to assume that a rookie will be able to step in and anchor an offensive line on a team that is supposed to be challenging for the Super Bowl next year.
It simply isn't going to happen, Mo.
ok, fair point, but what player at 14 will step in a make an impact on a Super Bowl team?
Agreed.
Wow, what insight. Isn't that statement true every year?
no
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
ok, fair point, but what player at 14 will step in a make an impact on a Super Bowl team?
after the draft there we will find there are many. Reid just has to pick one of them. :deion
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 10:59:33 AM
It depends on who's available. We'll know more in March, obviously.
Speculating is fun but it's pointless to assume players which will be available via free agency.
But it's even more pointless to assume that a rookie will be able to step in and anchor an offensive line on a team that is supposed to be challenging for the Super Bowl next year.
It simply isn't going to happen, Mo.
ok, fair point, but what player at 14 will step in a make an impact on a Super Bowl team?
Lots of places. Linebacker, running back, wide receiver, tight end.
It almost always takes a while for an offensive tackle to become a force at his position. It's pretty rare that a guy makes a huge difference at that position in his rookie year, and certainly that much more rare when he contributes significantly to a Super Bowl contender.
Super Bowl contenders usually have their offensive line buttoned up pretty good. Wouldn't you agree?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 11:04:13 AM
Wow, what insight. Isn't that statement true every year?
no
So, this is "the year," huh? This is it...totally it. Okay, I'll hold you to it.
plus right tackles have the second highest bust ratio of any position...second only to defensive ends
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 11:10:40 AM
plus right tackles have the second highest bust ratio of any position...second only to defensive ends
lol.
Right...because you say so, it HAS to be true. You take lessons to be that self-important, or is it a natural thing? The old nature vs. nurture question, I guess.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 11:08:10 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 01, 2006, 10:59:33 AM
It depends on who's available. We'll know more in March, obviously.
Speculating is fun but it's pointless to assume players which will be available via free agency.
But it's even more pointless to assume that a rookie will be able to step in and anchor an offensive line on a team that is supposed to be challenging for the Super Bowl next year.
It simply isn't going to happen, Mo.
ok, fair point, but what player at 14 will step in a make an impact on a Super Bowl team?
Lots of places. Linebacker, running back, wide receiver, tight end.
It almost always takes a while for an offensive tackle to become a force at his position. It's pretty rare that a guy makes a huge difference at that position in his rookie year, and certainly that much more rare when he contributes significantly to a Super Bowl contender.
Super Bowl contenders usually have their offensive line buttoned up pretty good. Wouldn't you agree?
i would agree, but do you think that this Oline is buttoned up?
Right...because you say so, it HAS to be true. You take lessons to be that self-important, or is it a natural thing? The old nature vs. nurture question, I guess.
release, penis, now
you guys are all using the words 'super bowl contender' very generously
last i heard we sucked this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2006, 11:16:22 AM
Right...because you say so, it HAS to be true. You take lessons to be that self-important, or is it a natural thing? The old nature vs. nurture question, I guess.
release, penis, now
lol...hey, if you want people to stop treating you like a nonsensical pompous ass, all you have to do is stop acting like a nonsensical pompous ass. Pretty easy. But you won't...because you need the attention it brings you.
a healthy mcnabb put them in the playoffs
and even tho i dont believe an andy reid team will ever win a sb....a few other power moves would give me a reason to watch their games
if you want people to stop treating you like a nonsensical pompous ass, all you have to do is stop acting like a nonsensical pompous ass
'people' = you and ::)
If you believe that, you're also delusional. Congrats!
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 01, 2006, 11:13:53 AM
i would agree, but do you think that this Oline is buttoned up?
Not now it's not. Again, what happens in free agency is all important this year.
If they can't address the holes they have in the line that way, then I'm all for drafting linemen, just not in the first round.
I think that's a major mistake when skill position players are available who could make a more immediate impact.
If you believe that, you're also delusional. Congrats!
really i dont care...isnt there a filter or something on the board??
if tamba hali is there and we dont draft him ill kill andy reid with an ice pick
fo rilla??
None of the mid-first round DEs really do much for me personally, which is part of why I'd be fine with an OT. DT, LB, OL and DE are the biggest need IMO. Best talent from those positions should get the nod.
i'll be just as disappointed if they pick an o-lineman this year in the first as i was when they picked andrews. having a good line is overrated.
Quotehaving a good line is overrated.
You're joking right? I'm assuming you're joking.
That's the wondrousness of matth: You never know.
I was disappointed when they drafted Andrews as well b/c I wanted Steven Jackson, not because I think OL is overrated. And based on the zesty protection the line gave this year OL is definitely a need.
I agree that it's definitely a need, especially on the edges... but should there be an impact player available that addresses the front 7, I want to go there first.
Kind of ironic that the questionable quality of the Andrews pick at #15 is one of the reasons taking an OL at #14 this year is actually not an awful idea. Andrews showed why he fell out of the top ten by fattening up to 370+ and proving that he may never be elite and may never be able to move to tackle.
They should just trade all of the bazillion low-round picks for as many 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks as they can get. They'll probably get a compensation pick or three for the free agents that left, giving them their requisite project picks in the late rounds. I'd rather have 4-6 rookies with real talent than 11 rookies who might as well be crash test dummies.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 12:50:20 PM
They should just trade all of the bazillion low-round picks for as many 1st 2nd and 3rd round picks as they can get. They'll probably get a compensation pick or three for the free agents that left, giving them their requisite project picks in the late rounds. I'd rather have 4-6 rookies with real talent than 11 rookies who might as well be crash test dummies.
That sounds like an idea you could actually execute in Madden.
Here is my take.
I won't cry and pound sand if the Eagles take an offensive lineman early. If, the defense and receiver has been addressed first in free agency. If they traded up for Ferguson and all the other needs are taken care of first then I would be very excited. He's a potential future franchise tacke. I am not the biggest Winston Justice fan. Just by watching a handful of Miami games, plus he was a TE converted OT which may not mean much. But I'm still not his biggest fan. I would be disappointed with Justice.
Quote from: Philly Forever on February 01, 2006, 04:35:18 PM
I am not the biggest Winston Justice fan. Just by watching a handful of Miami games, plus he was a TE converted OT which may not mean much. But I'm still not his biggest fan. I would be disappointed with Justice.
that might be your first problem super-scout. he plays for USC.
Wow, can't believe I did that. For some reason I got Winston Justice confused with Eric Winston from Miami.
I guess you could see the reason why by their names.
Disregard that. I don't like Eric Winston. I like Winston Justice.
just bustin balls
QuoteThat sounds like an idea you could actually execute in Madden.
How do you think I went undefeated every season? It wasn't my devilish good looks. Though that certainly didn't hurt.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 01, 2006, 05:19:55 PM
QuoteThat sounds like an idea you could actually execute in Madden.
How do you think I went undefeated every season?
By playing at rookie level and using lots of cards?
No, that's how I had a RB with 3500+ total yards and 40 TDs to go with a 6000+ yard QB.
When I bumped it up I had to rely on my handsomeness and draft-day deals.
I once played a full (15 minute quarters) game on all-pro and never called a passing play.
I won big. Andy Reid could learn a thing or two.
Here is About.com's latest Mock:
Quote
1. Houston Texans - Reggie Bush*, RB USC
If the Texans pick up David Carr's $8 million roster bonus, they'll either pick Bush or trade down.
2. New Orleans Saints - Matt Leinart, QB USC
Matt Leinart? Vince Young? Jay Cutler? It doesn't matter as long as it isn't Aaron Brooks!
3. Tennessee Titans – Vince Young*, QB Texas
Steve McNair doesn't have many years left and Young could use a year or two to improve his game. His upside, however, is unlimited, and he's worth a top-ten pick. I could also see the Titans moving down a few spots to gain an extra pick or two. They have a lot of holes to fill.
4. New York Jets – D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
The loss of offensive tackle Kareem McKenzie to free agency last year turned out to be a huge one, and Ferguson could anchor the left side for years to come.
5. Green Bay Packers – Mario Williams*, DE North Carolina State
A consistent pass rush would do wonders for the development of their young secondary and Mario Williams is the best defensive end in college football.
6. Oakland Raiders – A.J. Hawk, OLB Ohio State
The Raiders won't be tempted by Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler here simply because Al Davis likes Andrew Walter. Look for the Raiders to grab a playmaker on defense in the first round.
7. San Francisco 49ers – Vernon Davis*, TE Maryland
The 49ers have a lot of holes and they could look at a guy like Texas defensive back Michael Huff or Iowa linebacker Chad Greenway. But I feel Davis is a better value and would add another dimension to the 49ers' offense.
8. Buffalo Bills – Haloti Ngata*, DT Oregon
The loss of nose tackle Pat Williams has been devastating for the Bills run defense. Ngata is the top defensive tackle, in my opinion, and he has the tremendous size needed to stuff the run.
9. Detroit Lions – Michael Huff, DB Texas
Detroit's defense isn't far from being very good, and the addition of Huff could really pull the unit together. The Lions could also opt to add a pass rusher like Penn State's Tamba Hali or maybe even consider Cutler here.
10. Arizona Cardinals – Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
Cutler has a great arm and, with Arizona's weapons at wide receiver, could really take the club's offense to an explosive level.
11. St. Louis Rams - Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
Leonard Little will be 31 this year and the team could use another pass rusher in the rotation.
12. Cleveland Browns - Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
Linebackers are key to Crennel's defense and I expect him to continue concentrating on solidifying the unit early in the draft.
13. Baltimore Ravens – LenDale White*, RB USC
Jamal Lewis came on strong toward the end of the '05 season, but he may not be back with the team in '06. White is another bruising type of runner who could fill the same role.
14. Philadelphia Eagles – DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
Keith Adams just doesn't cut it on the weak side, and needs to be replaced. Ryans is solid in both run support and pass coverage.
15. Atlanta Falcons - DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis,
Warrick Dunn still is running well, but he's 31-years old, and T.J. Duckett finished the season horribly, rushing for 39 yards in his last 43 carries.
16. Miami Dolphins – Eric Winston, Miami (FL)
The Dolphins need a lot of help on the offensive line, and Winston could step in and play immediately. He possesses great size and intelligence, and can play either on the left or right side.
17. Minnesota Vikings – Laurence Maroney*, RB Minnesota
The Vikings need to settle the running back position once and for all. Michael Bennett will probably be gone next year and Onterrio Smith can't be counted on if he is back.
18. Dallas Cowboys – Winston Justice*, OT USC
The Cowboys could look to free agency to fill their needs on the offensive line, but if they don't, they could address the position early in the draft.
19. San Diego Chargers – Santonio Holmes*, WR Ohio State
The Chargers lack a true No. 1 receiver and Keenan McCardell is 35-years old.
20. Kansas City Chiefs – Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
The Chiefs still need playmakers on defense, and if Williams is still on the board this late in the round, the pick is a no-brainer for KC.
21. New England Patriots - Ernie Sims*, LB Florida State
The Patriots have three starting linebackers over the age of 30, and desperately need to add some youth to the unit.
22 Denver Broncos (from Washington) - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
The Broncos have plenty of depth on the defensive line, but the lack of a pass rush hurt them in the playoffs. They need to add a player who can consistently create pressure.
23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Thomas Howard, LB UTEP
Offensive line is a bigger need, but Thomas Howard is a better value and should be ready to take over the weak side when Brooks starts to slow down.
24. Cincinnati Bengals – Leonard Pope*, TE Georgia
A run-stuffing defensive lineman is a bigger need here, but Pope is a better value at this point than any of the tackles still on the board, and is just too good of an offensive weapon to let pass.
25. New York Giants – Ashton Youboty*, Ohio State
Will Peterson is contemplating retirement and Will Allen is in the final year of his contract.
26. Chicago Bears – Tye Hill, CB Clemson
Quick receivers give the Bears' corners problems, and with Jerry Azumah probably not returning, the Bears could add some needed speed to the position.
27. Carolina Panthers – Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
The Panthers need weapons to complement wide receiver Steve Smith. Lewis has good size and, although he doesn't have great speed, does a great job of separating from defenders.
28. Jacksonville Jaguars – Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
The Jags have a tough defense, but they could use a speed rusher from the outside to help conceal the deficiencies in the secondary.
29.Denver Broncos – Darnell Bing*, S USC
John Lynch is 34-years old and nearing the end of his career, so the Broncos could be looking for a successor.
30. Indianapolis Colts – Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
The Colts' line could use a massive guard like Jean-Gilles to help keep defenders out of Peyton Manning's face.
31. Seattle Seahawks – Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
It's uncertain whether the 35-year-old Chris Gray will return, so this is a position of need even if the Seahawks do re-sign Steve Hutchinson.
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
Jeff Hartings is 33-years old and the Steelers would like to start grooming a replacement.
why did you highlite the eagles pick?
So it is easier to pick out. To counter a dumb assed question with a dumb ass question: Why did you spell highlight, highlite?
farg off.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2006, 12:44:17 PM
why did you highlite the eagles pick?
just notice this isnt a taterskins message board?
Quote from: MURP on February 08, 2006, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 08, 2006, 12:44:17 PM
why did you highlite the eagles pick?
just notice this isnt a taterskins message board?
Why'd ya have to go and tell him?! He'll be crushed!
the 'taterskins are igy's favorite team ever' jokes are so last summer
I thought they were RJS's favorite team?
Now I'm confused again.
PS: If Ryans is "solid" in both run support and against the pass, why is he projected to go at #14 in the first round?
At that level, he better damn well be more than solid.
I think the Eagles should go with an all-WIL defense. A 0-11-0, if you will.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 08, 2006, 01:02:49 PM
At that level, he better damn well be more than solid.
I don't think he meant "solid".... I think he meant
SOLLIIIIID!(http://www.nitro-movies.com/images/movies/undercover.jpg)
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 08, 2006, 01:16:24 PM
I think the Eagles should go with an all-WIL defense. A 0-11-0, if you will.
We're certainly equipped to do so.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 08, 2006, 01:17:07 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on February 08, 2006, 01:16:24 PM
I think the Eagles should go with an all-WIL defense. A 0-11-0, if you will.
We're certainly equipped to do so.
It would certainly make re-signing Adams a priority, though. That said, I think Dawkins and Lewis would both be pretty decent at the WIL spot in a pinch. Kearse would probably be no worse than he's been at DE. Patterson is so awesome; he could play anything.
We might still have to sign/draft 4-5 guys overall. Trade at least Lito, Sheldon, Darwin, and Trotter.
Innovative D = CHAMPIONSHIP! w0ot!
We'll have guys flying all over the field missing tackles. It'll be awesome!
Tackling is overrated. It's all about intimidation: the THREAT of making a tackle, if you will.
We're going to need a completely new set of defensive players then.
Nuh uh.
Akers can play WIL and so can Sheldon Brown.
That leaves nine to go. Get working on that, dudes.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on February 08, 2006, 12:42:19 PM
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1. Houston Texans - Reggie Bush*, RB USC
If the Texans pick up David Carr's $8 million roster bonus, they'll either pick Bush or trade down.
2. New Orleans Saints - Matt Leinart, QB USC
Matt Leinart? Vince Young? Jay Cutler? It doesn't matter as long as it isn't Aaron Brooks!
3. Tennessee Titans – Vince Young*, QB Texas
Steve McNair doesn't have many years left and Young could use a year or two to improve his game. His upside, however, is unlimited, and he's worth a top-ten pick. I could also see the Titans moving down a few spots to gain an extra pick or two. They have a lot of holes to fill.
4. New York Jets – D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT Virginia
The loss of offensive tackle Kareem McKenzie to free agency last year turned out to be a huge one, and Ferguson could anchor the left side for years to come.
5. Green Bay Packers – Mario Williams*, DE North Carolina State
A consistent pass rush would do wonders for the development of their young secondary and Mario Williams is the best defensive end in college football.
6. Oakland Raiders – A.J. Hawk, OLB Ohio State
The Raiders won't be tempted by Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler here simply because Al Davis likes Andrew Walter. Look for the Raiders to grab a playmaker on defense in the first round.
7. San Francisco 49ers – Vernon Davis*, TE Maryland
The 49ers have a lot of holes and they could look at a guy like Texas defensive back Michael Huff or Iowa linebacker Chad Greenway. But I feel Davis is a better value and would add another dimension to the 49ers' offense.
8. Buffalo Bills – Haloti Ngata*, DT Oregon
The loss of nose tackle Pat Williams has been devastating for the Bills run defense. Ngata is the top defensive tackle, in my opinion, and he has the tremendous size needed to stuff the run.
9. Detroit Lions – Michael Huff, DB Texas
Detroit's defense isn't far from being very good, and the addition of Huff could really pull the unit together. The Lions could also opt to add a pass rusher like Penn State's Tamba Hali or maybe even consider Cutler here.
10. Arizona Cardinals – Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
Cutler has a great arm and, with Arizona's weapons at wide receiver, could really take the club's offense to an explosive level.
11. St. Louis Rams - Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
Leonard Little will be 31 this year and the team could use another pass rusher in the rotation.
12. Cleveland Browns - Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
Linebackers are key to Crennel's defense and I expect him to continue concentrating on solidifying the unit early in the draft.
13. Baltimore Ravens – LenDale White*, RB USC
Jamal Lewis came on strong toward the end of the '05 season, but he may not be back with the team in '06. White is another bruising type of runner who could fill the same role.
14. Philadelphia Eagles – DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
Keith Adams just doesn't cut it on the weak side, and needs to be replaced. Ryans is solid in both run support and pass coverage.
15. Atlanta Falcons - DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis,
Warrick Dunn still is running well, but he's 31-years old, and T.J. Duckett finished the season horribly, rushing for 39 yards in his last 43 carries.
16. Miami Dolphins – Eric Winston, Miami (FL)
The Dolphins need a lot of help on the offensive line, and Winston could step in and play immediately. He possesses great size and intelligence, and can play either on the left or right side.
17. Minnesota Vikings – Laurence Maroney*, RB Minnesota
The Vikings need to settle the running back position once and for all. Michael Bennett will probably be gone next year and Onterrio Smith can't be counted on if he is back.
18. Dallas Cowboys – Winston Justice*, OT USC
The Cowboys could look to free agency to fill their needs on the offensive line, but if they don't, they could address the position early in the draft.
19. San Diego Chargers – Santonio Holmes*, WR Ohio State
The Chargers lack a true No. 1 receiver and Keenan McCardell is 35-years old.
20. Kansas City Chiefs – Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
The Chiefs still need playmakers on defense, and if Williams is still on the board this late in the round, the pick is a no-brainer for KC.
21. New England Patriots - Ernie Sims*, LB Florida State
The Patriots have three starting linebackers over the age of 30, and desperately need to add some youth to the unit.
22 Denver Broncos (from Washington) - Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
The Broncos have plenty of depth on the defensive line, but the lack of a pass rush hurt them in the playoffs. They need to add a player who can consistently create pressure.
23. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Thomas Howard, LB UTEP
Offensive line is a bigger need, but Thomas Howard is a better value and should be ready to take over the weak side when Brooks starts to slow down.
24. Cincinnati Bengals – Leonard Pope*, TE Georgia
A run-stuffing defensive lineman is a bigger need here, but Pope is a better value at this point than any of the tackles still on the board, and is just too good of an offensive weapon to let pass.
25. New York Giants – Ashton Youboty*, Ohio State
Will Peterson is contemplating retirement and Will Allen is in the final year of his contract.
26. Chicago Bears – Tye Hill, CB Clemson
Quick receivers give the Bears' corners problems, and with Jerry Azumah probably not returning, the Bears could add some needed speed to the position.
27. Carolina Panthers – Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
The Panthers need weapons to complement wide receiver Steve Smith. Lewis has good size and, although he doesn't have great speed, does a great job of separating from defenders.
28. Jacksonville Jaguars – Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
The Jags have a tough defense, but they could use a speed rusher from the outside to help conceal the deficiencies in the secondary.
29.Denver Broncos – Darnell Bing*, S USC
John Lynch is 34-years old and nearing the end of his career, so the Broncos could be looking for a successor.
30. Indianapolis Colts – Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
The Colts' line could use a massive guard like Jean-Gilles to help keep defenders out of Peyton Manning's face.
31. Seattle Seahawks – Taitusi Lutui, OG USC
It's uncertain whether the 35-year-old Chris Gray will return, so this is a position of need even if the Seahawks do re-sign Steve Hutchinson.
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Nick Mangold, C Ohio State
Jeff Hartings is 33-years old and the Steelers would like to start grooming a replacement.
Ha, that pic would make me rip my hair out. If Greenway and White are both gone we better take Holmes or Kiwanuka if we don't sign any FA DEs.
Buzzmaster: The Super Bowl is over, but the Scouting Combine is right around the corner! Warm up for the NFL draft with Mel Kiper! Keep sending in your questions, he'll be here soon.
Mel Kiper: Let's get to the questions. I'm evaluating players every day.
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Drew, Marquette: There has been mixed reviews about Sinorice Moss. Where do you have him going? Go Canes!
Mel Kiper: I think if there are any mixed reviews, it's because he's not that big. He was also underutilized in that offense. He's one of the fastest players in the draft. The only thing with him, I see, is that he lacks ideal size. Last first or second.
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Spencer Indy: Mel, will Maroney fall down to the colts at 30? If not who will they take at Rb?
Mel Kiper: It's doubtful. Maroney is such a skilled running back. He could go as high as 21 to the Pats. The Colts like short players. Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Mike Doss. They want football players, they don't care about size. Maurice Drew could be a possiblity. Deuce Luetui is another.
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Matt, Pittsburgh, PA: After winning one for the thumb and the 32nd draft pick, what can we expect the Steelers to do with their first round pick? Defense or trading up for a running back?
Mel Kiper: When you look at the RB situation, if they were to move up, it would be fore LenDale White. To stay where they are it would be Carpenter from OSU.
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paul (miami, fl): do you think that marcus vick will even be drafted because of all his problems off the field? if so, would he be good in the nfl and for what team is he best suited for.
Mel Kiper: When you're a late round pick, you're not suited for anybody. They see potential in the late round picks. You can't specify which team, but 5-6 round perhaps for him. At one point, he was a 3-4 round.
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Keith (New York): Mel Now with Bradway stepping down from the New York Jets what will the Jets do in the draft.
Mel Kiper: Bradway, doesn't effect their need areas. They still need an OT, RB and a CB and DT. Those are the areas of most concern. Also, they need a QB to back up Chad.
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jim (ama, la): Do you think Joe Addai can contribute to an NFL immediately, or will he not see the field much?
Mel Kiper: I think he can contribute, because he's a versatile performer. He's a No. 2 back at LSU. When he had an opportunity, he's shown it. He has good hands and can block.
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Greg (Scranton, Pa): Who might the Bears looking at in the first 2 rounds of the draft. Do you see them trading up for TE Davis maybe??
Mel Kiper: No, I don't think they'll go up to get Davis. For a possible TE, Pope, Fasano. Those are realistic. They could look at OG, WR.
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Jeff Thronson,Goldsboro,NC: Without the trade of culpepper who do you see the VIKINGS looking at as the positions of need and who do they select first?
Mel Kiper: They need S and CB. They also have a need at WR, LB, RB. You could see them at the first round looking at White, Jimmy Williams from Va. Tech.
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vinman, east hartford CT: Mel, love the job you do. On your 1st round projection board you have Cutler going to Detroit...what's the story with Dan Orlavsky? I'm a big UCONN fan and thought he had most of the tools to possibly make it in the NFL.
Mel Kiper: He's got skills. Orlovsky was a late round pick. Cutler has a higher grade. Do they feel Orlovsky is the QB of the future? They have plenty of need areas. I just think Cutler is going to go somewhere in the early first round.
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Jim: Waupaca, WI: If Favre does retire, are the Packers really set on Rodgers or are Leinert, Young or Cutler worth a look. Rodgers does not impress me.
Mel Kiper: No, you can't take any QBs. If you took Rodgers last year, you can't take it away from him now. You took him with the attitude that he would replace Favre. You have to go with a LB like Hawk. They have needs at RB, DE, CB, OG.
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Shawn (Detroit): Hey Mel, who is the better fit in Oakland...A.J Hawk or Mario Williams?
Mel Kiper: I think they'd both be ideal. Hawk would make sense to Oakland. Where they're picking, they'll be looking at one of those two. You take the highest rated player on the board. If you're asking me, it's too close to call. We don't have any accurate measures on Williams until the combine. Until those numbers are in on Williams, I can't say for sure.
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Matt (NJ): Mel, who do you see the Giants drafting at #25?
Mel Kiper: I think they go with CBs. Johanathan Joseph CB from S. Carolina. Tye Hill from Clemson. They have need at LB, OT. CB is their No. 1 priority.
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Matt (Tampa): What is the possiblity that the Bucs could land Cromartie or Sims?
Mel Kiper: Well, where the Bucs are picking they'll have a choice at either. They have Brooks already, and he's like Sims. They have needs at OT, LB, WR. Sims and Cromartie, there's a good chance they'll be there at 23.
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tim manning (illionis): who is a better quaterback vince young or matt leinhart
Mel Kiper: Leinart, I have No. 1. Young second, Cutler third. Leinart played at a high level for three straight years. Slight edge to Leinart. He could go to NO at 2. There's a minimal amount of difference between the two. There's going to be lots of debate over taht.
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Dave (STL): Mel, do you think the Rams might look at Vernon Davis at 11 with their obvious need on defense?
Mel Kiper: Well, at that point, you don't worry about need. You don't force need at No. 11. Don't get too rapped up in need. Most teams have needs at 5-6 positions. You have to get the best player. If Davis is there, you have to take him. But I agree, they do have need on defense.
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J.J. (Johnstown): At 18 will the cowboys take a saftey like Darnell Bing. Or maybe a WR like Holmes or Moss?
Mel Kiper: I think it's too high for Bing. They could take FS is No. 1 on the list. OT. Marcus McNeill. LB, WR are need areas. They could take a Jimmy Williams, Ko Simpson. Those are good picks for them.
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Jim Antioch, CA: There have been Rumors Arizona will take LenDale White, what do you think?
Mel Kiper: I think they take a RB. I have them taking DeAngelo Williams from Memphis. You could make an argument that he was the best player at the Senior Bowl.
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Scott (LA): How would you rate the overall tallent of this draft?
Mel Kiper: It's always good. They're always solid. The talent is there. Every year, there are guys that disappoint early and ones that surprise later. I never get too wrapped up in grading the draft. The perception isn't reality. I always stay that teams that do the best job evaluating will always do well.
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Ryan: (Hoover AL): Hey Mel! Big 49er fan here. How much do the 49ers like Vernon Davis? If the niners lose the coin flip to the Raiders and Hawk isnt on the board, what are the chances they draft Davis to help Smith out?
Mel Kiper: They could. I have them taking Huff, because he's versatile. CB is their No. 1 need. The last time they drafted a DB this high it was Ronnie Lott. If Hawk was there, he'd be an ideal choice. They also need a TE. If he's there, Hawk. Then Huff and then Davis.
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Jamie (Richmond,VA): Out of the your top five picks, who is going to make an immediate impact on their team?
Mel Kiper: That should be Reggie Bush. RBs will always make the most impact. If you're trying to find the guy who will make the most impact right away, always look to the RBs. Look at Williams and Brown from this year. It's the easiest position to transition from college to the pros and high school to college. So mark down Bush and the other RBs.
Aaron (Akron): Mel,Who do you see the Browns drafting at 12?Or maybe trade down?
Mel Kiper: They always could move. They need help in the DL and OL and LB. If they stay at 12, they look at Chad Greenway. They'll look closely at moving down. The more picks, the more players they can get. Trust Phil Savage to make the right offer.
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Adam (Fort Myers, FL): What's your take on Jeremy Bloom? Given his speed and athleiticism, is he worth giving a shot despite his size?
Mel Kiper: He's going to get a shot. He's going to be a very intriguing draft choice for somebody. he's going to catch the football, he has excellent punt return capabilities. His skiing skills will help him. He applies them on the football field. He's about 5-9 and he'll be about 180-185 for football. I think he'll go in the 3-4 round.
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Larry: Appleton, WI: Any chance that Wisconsin RB calhoun slides into the second round? I'd love to see him stay in state and go to Green Bay.
Mel Kiper: Yeah, I think he is a second rounder. The thing preventing him from going higher is his size. He's about 5-10. He wore down late in the season. He'll go just about the same spot as Clinton Portis in the mid second round. Teams that will be looking at him will be Green Bay, Arizona, New England, Pittsburgh, Indy.
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Jeremy (MN): How did Gophers OL Mark Setterstrom look at the senior bowl? Where do you see him going?
Mel Kiper: He's an experienced, technically sound pure guard. At times he looked overmatched and at time he held his own. A second day pick.
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Tom (Chicago): If Brady Quinn came out, is he third on your QB list?
Mel Kiper: It's hard to say, but you're not looking at Quinn through the draft processes. If he's not going through the process, it's hard for me to evaluate him. Especially when you have the other talented QBs in the mix. Most would have had him third in the group. Going in, I probably would have had it LEinart, Young, Quinn, Cutler. Next year, I think Quinn could be the top 3 picks next year.
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Brett (LA): If the Broncos used both their first rounders to trade up, how far up could they get? 10th pick?
Mel Kiper: It depends what you're targeting. If you're targeting a WR, there's nothing to move up to get. They have other needs. I don't see a player at the positions they need that would be intriguing enough to get.
Mel Kiper: We're also going to be watching the TO sweepstakes. Somebody that needs a WR is going to get TO and that's going to take a need away. This WR group is not very good. The first WR, I have going at 19.
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Kevin (Ellenboro, NC): Do you see D. Ferguson as a franchise OT at the level of a Munoz or Pace?
Mel Kiper: You'd have to through the other guys up there too, Ogden, Bosseli. I think he will be considered in that elite category. I don't know if his grade will be as high as the others, but he'll have a good grade.
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Brian (Mass): Mel, Who do you see the Patriots drafting?
Mel Kiper: I'm thinking running back. Maroney at 21 would be a nice pick. The Pats do have needs at other places. CB, S, LB. You could look at any of those positions. Tye Hill.
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WESS INDY: WHO IS THE BEST UNOTICED RB IN THE DRAFT
Mel Kiper: Some underrated guys are PJ Daniels, Leon Washington from FSU. Usually you don't have anybody that no one has heard of, with the extent of the evaluations. A third guy would be Andre Hall from S. Florida.
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Brad (Albuquerque): Is there ANY chance Buffalo could scrap the Losman expirament and draft Jay Cutler?
Mel Kiper: I don't see that happening. They have critical need areas at a variety of positions. They need a DT, WR. You can't draft Losman two years ago and give up on him this early. It was a previous regime, but you can't give up on him. Whether he's going to be a quality QB in this league, remains to be seen. If you're thinking QB, I don't think Cutler's grade will be as high as it would need to be to give up on Losman.
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Keith (Chicago): Who is a linebacker or saftey that could drop to the Bears that would be an immediate impact player. Otherwise a TE it is.
Mel Kiper: LB or S for where the Bears are picking, an Ernie Sims, Jackson are the LBs that could be there. Ko Simpson that could be there.
Mel Kiper: I look at them, the needs are TE, OG, WR, LB.
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Mike (Boca Raton): If the steelers let Randle El get away in free agency, can you see them drafting Michael Robinson in round 3 as his replacement?
Mel Kiper: Their history has shown that they will take a QB in college and make him into a WR. To me, Robinson didn't show at the Senior Bowl practices the natural pass catching skills to be a WR. You're also going to see a Brad Smith make a position change. We're going to see several QBs make that change. Third round may be high for Robinson.
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Shaun (Livermore, CA): Mel, What's your gut instinct on the Dolphins? Do you think they move upt o draft a QB or stand still and get OLINE or Safety help?
Mel Kiper: I think Cutler is the guy they'd be thinking about. If they have to move ahead of somebody, they'd go ahead of Detroit or Arizona to get Cutler. They have needs at G, WR, S, OLB. They need to get younger on defense. At that point, they might go with CB.
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Jeff (Kansas City, MO): Mel, love the work you do. Where do you see Missouri's Brad Smith going in the draft? On the surface he seems to possess a lot of qualities of Randle-El.
Mel Kiper: Yeah, he's got a lot of athletic abillity. He has good size. The workouts for him will be critical. You have to show hands and the ability to make cuts. You need to show potential in that are. The workouts will dictate where he goes. He's one of those guys that's hard to predict this early.
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rUSS (lORAS): How do you think Whitehurst will do at the next level?
Mel Kiper: Whitehurst has got a chance. He's got good size. He had the shoulder that bothered him, but he had the surgery. His performance in Mobile was solid. He throws a nice ball. A little inconsistent.
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Peter (Ann Arbor): What is the fate of Northwestern's quarterback Brett Basanez?
Mel Kiper: He's a second day possiblity. Really accurate. He benefitted from that Wildcat offense. His arm strength is OK. I thought he had a great year. He's a guy in the second day you have to think about bringing in.
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Felice (Miami): If Omar Jacobs has a good permformance at the scouting combine...where do you see him go in the draft?
Mel Kiper: He's a difficult evaluation for me as well. He has that unorthodox delivery. When you look at Jacobs, this year wasn't as good as last year. The release does cause some concern for me. He's not the athlete that Young is. With Jacobs, he's going to give me the biggest challenge to give a grade.
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Charles, CT: How will the CBA or lack of one affect the upcoming draft?
Mel Kiper: It will impact some of the free agents in terms of where they will end up. It will impact that. In terms of the draft, teams have needs, and the players are there. I don't think it will have much impact.
Manny (Austin, TX): Is Griffin from Texas a good CB prospect?
Mel Kiper: He's a CB/S. He's a tough, tough kid. He'll come in and hit you. He's got good size. When you look at him, his ball skills are questionable. He had a very good year for TX. He may move to safety. He's got great special teams area.
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Ben (Loras): Mel, I love what you do with draft evaluating. One quick question--what position is the deepest in this year's draft?
Mel Kiper: Tight end is very very deep and very strong. It's one of the best years I've seen. Davis, Pope, Fasano, all juniors are up there. Byrd, Lewis, Daniels, Thomas. I haven't even covered some of the guys that will make an impact.
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Jason: Cleveland, OH: Mel, do you see a good 'tweener' prospect out there that could make a big jump on the boards between now and draft day, similar to the one that Demarcus Ware made last year?
Mel Kiper: There's a number of those guys. Lawson. Kamerion Wimble, Brent Hawkins. Charlton Keith from Kansas. There are a number of players that could do that. There are a bunch of CB/S and DE/LB guys.
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Matt, NC: What do you see the Panthers doing with their first-round pick?
Mel Kiper: Carolina has some need areas that they can get with their first rounder. TE is a need. Dominique Byrd is a guy there. WR, DL are also needs.
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Jonny (Yuma, AZ): Mel, do you see Davis having greater potential and talent then Winslow II had when he was drafted?
Mel Kiper: I think they're very comparable when coming out. Winslow has not had a chance to showcase his skills. He's had injuries. It's a shame that he hasn't been able to be out there and show what he can do. Davis will have a very similar grade. Davis could go as early as 7 or 11.
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Kevin (NY): Should the Giants try to move up to get one of those top 3 LB's?
Mel Kiper: I think they go up to get Hawk is too far. Greenway is up there as well. Ryans could still be there for the Giants. I still think CB is the area they're going to look at. Joseph, Hill they'll take looks at.
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Perry (Miami, FL): What are your thoughts on the QB from Texas State Nealy? Thanks
Mel Kiper: I saw him at Houston before he moved on to Texas State. He led them into the I-AA playoffs. He didn't finish strong at the all-star game. He's a long range developmental QB.
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Drew, Marquette: Where in the draft to you see Devin Hester going? Possibly to the Lions in Round 2?
Mel Kiper: That's awful high for him. He didn't have the kind of year to be a second round. He'll go in the 3-4 round. He'll be used in the return game. He never carved a niche for himself at Miami. He's going to have to prove somethings.
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Casey (FC, Iowa): Which team will select Abdul Hodge in the second round?
Mel Kiper: It's a possiblity for him in the second round. Maybe the third. He's been productive in college. He's got the build of an MLB. He's good at the run. He has great instincts. His coverage skills still need some work.
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Kenric (Silver Spring, MD): Mel, what are the Seahawks needs in this draft? What do you think they'll address first?
Mel Kiper: WR is a need. They lack a true No. 1. They need an OLB. They could use a pass rushing DE. Maurice Stovall from Notre Dame is what I'm projecting.
Mel Kiper: We covered just about all the teams in the NFL. We're kind of in a lull period. I'm spending 8-10 hours a day evaluating players. I'm going to be constantly updating my drafts. I'm going to provide as much information as possible until the combine and the draft. I'll be here again next Wednesday to chat from 1-2.
no Eagles questions? for shame.
I wouldn't mind the Birds taking Bloom in the mid rounds somewhere, even if he does nothing else other than return punts. I remember watching him return his first kick ever at CU at it took it for a TD. Dude has some serious speed.
seriously....blooms highlites look like some old sped up groucho marx movies
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 09, 2006, 11:22:58 AM
seriously....blooms highlites look like some old sped up groucho marx movies
:-D
he's no reno mahe but i think he could handle punt return duties
im not playing....dook looks insanely fast...it really does look like all his highlite tapes have been sped up
i cant tell if he really is that fast or he scoots with tiny little steps and that makes him look like the flash...either way in all his highlites hes pulling away from cats
Before we go any further... you do realize he's white, right? Granted... we don't need him to be a LB, but he's still of the caucasion persuasion.
if you use the population theory of thomas malthus you can deduce that because i have seen numerous highlites of him therefore i am aware of his skin color
whitey is ok with me...as long as it isnt whitey linebacker
i do watch hockey
ya heard???
White people play hockey now? Huh.
whats a dook.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 09, 2006, 05:54:39 PM
White people play hockey now? Huh.
Yeah right... next you'll tell me that a black guy will be able to dominate golf someday. ::)
Quote from: L-ong-B-each-I-ggle on February 09, 2006, 06:12:17 PM
whats a dook.
It's very similar to a deuce, only you drop one and blast the other.
stupid agents are funny...
QuoteYoung's handlers aren't handling their business
Posted: February 8, 2006
He was the first player on the field, standing tall, smiling wide and clowning around as he always does. Now the key question: Why was he even there?
Why was Vince Young, the hottest football player on the planet, participating in a cheesy made-for-television "all-star challenge" in Miami? Why would a player who has nothing to gain and everything to lose as a top draft prospect be part of an informal workout -- because that's what it was -- in an environment over which he had no control?
"I've been working out at home really hard, and I needed a break," Young says.
Fine. Go to the Bahamas. Go to Europe. Go anywhere but to some skills challenge that exposes weaknesses to Texans owner Bob McNair -- the guy debating whether to spend millions on you -- and his personnel department.
"I wouldn't have him anywhere near here," one agent said through the glare of the South Florida sun.
Meanwhile, Young's agent, Major Adams, a friend of the Young family and not as -- what's a nice way to say this? -- experienced as some other agents, declares, "If you have nothing to hide, why hide?"
Well, here's why: Young was set up to fail in this event. And when it was over, he hadn't shown nearly the accuracy of UCLA's Drew Olson or Alabama's Brodie Croyle. He looked on par with Clemson's Charlie Whitehurst -- who still is recovering from shoulder surgery. There's a reason colleges have pro days, when pro scouts come to campuses to watch players work out in their environment, throw to their teammates and, more than anything, perform in their comfort zone.
At one point in the skills competition, the four QBs were paired with pass catchers. Young was paired with Memphis running back DeAngelo Williams, the only nonreceiver in the group, and the two didn't connect on three of five passes.
There also was a deep throwing test in which quarterbacks were asked to throw the ball as far as they could while keeping the ball between the hash marks. Young scratched to the right on his first two attempts. Before the third throw, Adams yelled, "Aim it this way (left)." I'm not sure if he was joking or serious, but the third throw hit the right hash mark barrier. There is too much riding on Young's future -- he wants to play for his hometown Texans, who would have to give up on former No. 1 overall pick David Carr to pull the trigger on Young -- to noodle around in Miami for a measly appearance fee. His management team had better tighten up and get a grip on what's best for its client.
Young says he will work out at the NFL Scouting Combine but won't lift or run. He'll follow the same plan at his pro day in late March in Austin. The goal, he says, is to focus on throwing and eliminate any doubt about his funky mechanics or accuracy.
I have no doubt about Young's ability to throw. His ability to choose a competent management team is another story.
In conclusion, I would lke to say that this barely qualifies as news.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 10, 2006, 01:48:42 PM
In conclusion, I would lke to say that this barely qualifies as news.
sorry, i didn't mean to pull you away from the razor thread
Anyone who thinks that Young is going to be a good Pro QB is an idiot. That is all.
Young will be 10x better than Leinert.
that wasn't the point, dummy
Quote from: phattymatty on February 10, 2006, 01:53:17 PM
Young will be 10x better than Leinert.
Eh...I very much doubt that.
young>leinart no question...its just a matter of by how much...other than accuracy which will be cured by some mechanical adjustments there isnt anything right now that leinart is better than young in
Actually, there is a question.
<------not in his mind
There is no doubt that Young will be a bust in the NFL. He may become a starter some day, and he might be kind of exciting to watch, but he'll never be a fantastic pro QB. Leinart, shtein I don't know, but Young will suck ass.
Young will end up pulling a TO down the road, crying about his inexperienced agent letting him sign for under market value and how he just wants to be appreciated (a.k.a. PAID) like the superstar he is.
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Sam (Cleveland, OH): I've seen your board and projection of Greenway for the Browns at 12. Do you see other possibilites, say if they address the huge LB need in free agency?
Mel Kiper: They have DL needs and OL needs. They could Winston Justice from USC. They could go Haloti Ngata from Oregon on the DL.
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dave from new jersey: what are the chances the jets will draft a quarterback with the fourth pick, either vince young or jay cutler?
Mel Kiper: We have to see how the Chad Pennington scenario pans out. He's coming off the injury. His future is in doubt. They have a ton of needs. They're a team that could consider trading down. They need players. That's a little high for Cutler and Young won't be there.
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Martinsburg, PA: What position will Micheal Robinson play in the NFL? Also will he play at all?
Mel Kiper: He'll play and he'll get a chance. He'll be either a RB, WR or safety. WR didn't appear to me that he didn't have the ideal pass catching skills. He has the size to be a RB. I think in the second day is when you'll see him go.
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Noah (Rockville, MD): How good are the offensive lineman this year an what can the taterskins expect to find waiting for them in second round? With Al sounders here do you think building a young o-line is a priority for the Skins in the draft.
Mel Kiper: The OL is not what it was expected to be. Overall, it's a little underwhelming. Jason Spitts might be a possibility. Washington needs interior linemen. Keep in mind, the taterskins want a WR, CB and pass rushing defensive end.
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martell from wisconsin: what are the chances Green Bay will take A.J. Hawk with the number 5
Mel Kiper: I think the chances are pretty good. Mario Williams, a DE and Hawk are the two they'll look at. They'll choose the highest rated player that they have.
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Nick: Antioch, IL: Hey mel the question I have for you is why houston will not trade out of the 1st pick and go get themselves Ferguson? It makes perfect sense you have running back, you have a quarterback, but you don't have an offensive line. Thanks mel
Mel Kiper: That's true. That scenario is always out there. Houston's not going to take a QB. They have to start supporting Carr with some players. There might be a guy that they have to have. Who's going to demand to move up that much? If you find someone that's going to give you the picks you want, then do it. Keep in mind Bush is not just a running back. He's a punt returner, slot receiver, running back. He's not a fulltime back. So to say they don't need him because they have other backs, he's not just a back.
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Jon (ND): Will LenDale White be there at #17, and if so, will the Minnesota Vikings take him?
Mel Kiper: I think he draws consideration. They have Moore, but White is an upgrade. They need some DBs. Jimmy Williams would be a nice choice. Michael Huff will be long gone by the Vikings pick. I have him going 7th.
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Zac Florence, AL: Hey Mel, what's up. I was just wondering where Vernon Davis is going to get drafted and how good of pro can he be?
Mel Kiper: Davis is going to be a great pro. He's a great pass catching option. He has off the chart physical skills. He'll be an average at best blocker. As a receiving threat, he's going to be phenomenal.
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Brian: (Milwaukee, WI): Is Brian Calhoun an every down back? What round will be drafted?
Mel Kiper: He's a second rounder. He had a great three-quarters of a season and wore down a little bit. He's consistent and has a great work ethic. He's not that big. I list him at 5-10, 197 pounds. Can he handle the punishment at the pro level? The bulk of his yards came in the first part of the season. But that's also the same reason Clinton Portis went in the second round.
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Chris (Wayland, Ma): Richard Marshall, the cornerback from Fresno State, is a name that I have seen moving up into the late 1st round. With the Pat Hill and Bill Belichick connection, what do you think of the Patriots taking him 21st overall?
Mel Kiper: Well, first, that's awful high. They need a CB. Richard Marshall, I think, needed another year at Fresno. It was a surprise that he came out. He's a spunky kid. He's confident. He's dangerous after an INT. I think he's more of a 3-4 round pick
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JP Berkley Ma: who do you think the Pats will go for?
Mel Kiper: I think they'll go RB, like, Laurence Maroney from Minnesota or a CB Youbouty or Tye Hill.
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Brandon from Toronto: Who are the Bills going to draft in the 1st round? And do you see them taking a quarterback at any point in the draft?
Mel Kiper: No on the QB. Maybe late. They need an OT and DT and WR. I project them to get DT Haloti Ngata. A lot of teams think about late round QBs. Reggie McNeal, Bruce Gradkowsky, Paul Pinegar, Richie Williams are some late round QBs.
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rick chavez/ Rock Springs, Wyoming: Hey Mel, Thanks for all the great inside info. Have you heard of any talks of the Broncos moving up in the draft considering that they are the only team with multiple 1st round picks. If so who are they targeting? Mario Williams?
Mel Kiper: No, I haven't heard any talk of that, but it's way too early for that. We don't know about free agency yet either. There are too many scenarios that will determine what will happen on draft day. But they have the ammunition to move up with the multiple draft picks. I have them taking Sinorice Moss late in the first round.
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Michael (Warsaw, In): As there ever been a pro team contact to about their GM job or a consulting job on draft day?
Mel Kiper: You couldn't do consulting work. How do you remain objective with all the work that I do on ESPN all year long. Being in the front office of a team has always been intriguing, but I don't see any reason to pursue it. I've been doing this for so long. I love the situation that I'm in. I'm too happy with what I'm doing now.
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Randall (Statesboro): Is Leonard Pope the highest draft pick from UGA this year? What about Max-Jean Gilles?
Mel Kiper: Pope is the highest rated player from Georgia. Max-Jean is the next one and Minter has the chance to being a first rounder too. I have Pope going to the Bears in the first round.
Pat (Morgantown WV): With Antwaan Randle El likely departing via free agency, will the Steelers look for a downfield receiving threat at the 32nd pick? If so, who will be there that fits that mold?
Mel Kiper: I think the guys you look at would be Sinorice Moss from Miami. He's one of the fastest players in the draft. He has the return skills if Antwaan leaves.
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Tim (CA): What do you think the Rams will do with their eleventh pick? Might they take a shut down DB like huff or jimmy williams?
Mel Kiper: They have needs at the safety spot. I don't think Huff will be there. Williams will. They could look at Vernon Davis, OL, or DL.
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jerald st. pete florida: Thanks for answering our questions Mel. Will not going to the combine hurt Vince Young's draft status? Thanks
Mel Kiper: Absolutely not. There's no chance at that. My advice would be to the top guys is to wait for an individual workout. It's your surroundings, your receivers, your turf. It's under your guidelines. Especially with Young's unorthodox delivery and he's being compared to other guys with a picture perfect throw.
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Anthony (Arabi, LA): Mel, Do you think the Saints will go with Leinart instead of trading down for more picks?
Mel Kiper: I don't think they can afford to. They have to start a new era of Saints football. How in the heck do you pass up on Leinart or Young? You have two big time prospects staring you in the face. Why would you give up an opportunity at one of those guys. I think they'll take Leinart. They're guaranteed one of the two. There's no way I would think about trading out of there.
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Hector Aurora, Il: Hello Mel, is there a chance the Bears will take someone other than Pope, say a Thomas Howard to compete with Hunter Hillenmeyer? Also I heard on the NFL Network that Pope is still raw and a bit of a project, is that true?
Mel Kiper: No. I think Howard is a second rounder right now. If you're looking at TE at Pope or Dominique Byrd of USC. They could look at OG or LB. There are a couple of other guys Ernie Sims and D'Qwell Jackson are ahead of Howard.
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Alex (Salisbury, Ct): Mel, With Curtis Martin towards the end of his career do you see the Jets taking a RB in the first three rounds?...if so who?
Mel Kiper: I would think they would. That's their second highest rated need area. You can find RBs in this draft. Guys like Calhoun, Drew, Jerome Harrsion, Leon Washington. Those are the RBs that would be a nice addition.
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Russell (Queens,NY): Lots of people have the Cowboys picking WR in the first round. Don't you think OT, LB, or S is a bigger need for them?
Mel Kiper: Yeah, I have them taking Marcus McNeill as an OT. Ko Simpson a safety is another possibility. Santonio Holmes, a WR is another possibility. But I have them taking an OT.
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Brent (Morris, MN): Is there a chance the Cardinals won't take a RB in the first round. If so what would they take?
Mel Kiper: I have them taking RB DeAngelo Williams, who was arguably the best player at the Senior Bowl. I think he's a guy that they would consider. Their need areas are QB, RB, DT, OG and FS.
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Brett (Illinois): Why has UCLA's Marcades Lewis' stock droped so much as of late? And how do you see Maurice Drew doing in the NFL?
Mel Kiper: Lewis is a second rounder. The reason he's dropped is he didn't finish the year as strong as he started. Plus he didn't emerge as much as people hoped. Byrd pushed past him. In a normal year, when we didn't have so many TEs, Lewis might be the top guy. Right now I have Davis, Pope and Byrd in the first round. There are a lot of TEs that are going to go early.
Mel Kiper: Drew, I have as a solid second round pick. He's a pure runner. People forget how good Drew was this past year on returns. He returned three punts for TDs. People question his height, but so what? He's got great vision. He's tough, strong and a compact runner.
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Chad (Corvallis, OR): Where does my man Mike Haas go this year and who would you compare him to?
Mel Kiper: I've always compared Haas to Ricky Proehl. He has a long, solid career. I think he's that type. He's got great hands, just not a lot of speed.
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Danny (Detroit): Mel, with the Lions now having Mike Martz in town who do you see them getting at number 9?
Mel Kiper: I'm still thinking Jay Cutler, the QB. They have a need at RT and DE.
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Kevin (Harrisonburg, Va): STEELERS--Any chance we TRADE UP to get a shutdown corner or RB like Lendale White or take Sims, Carpenter, or Kai Parham at the 32nd pick? Thanks
Mel Kiper: They could. This is a team that traded up to get Polamalu. To trade up to get White? I have him going 17. I thought about CB for them, but they've invested picks in CBs the last couple of years. They don't have a shutdown guy, but I don't think there's a shutdown guy in this draft. I don't know if any team in the NFL has a shutdown guy. With all the rule changes, I don't know if anyone has a guy like that.
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Manny (El Paso, Texas): Who is the best MLB in the draft?
Mel Kiper: The best inside LB is Jackson of Maryland, but he can also play on the outside. This draft lacks a true MLB in the 4-3 sense. Abdul Hodge of Iowa might be the best true MLB. He has 316 tackles in the last three years.
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Tony ( New Jersey): Who is Carolina looking at, and what are thier needs?
Mel Kiper: Carolina is looking at a TE, because their offense likes to feature the TE. I give them Byrd or Pope. WR is a need. TE is their No. 1 need. OT and DT.
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Marshall (Lapeer, MI): Most, if not all, draft projections have the Bears taking a tight end in the first round. Now I think this is a need, but there are several others as well such as depth in the secondary and youth to the offensive line. If the Bears don't grab one of the many tight ends in the first round, waiting untill the 2nd, who do you think they will pursue?
Mel Kiper: Anthony Fasano from Notre Dame. Lewis from UCLA. Klopfenstein from Colorado. Daniels from Wisconsin. Day from Oregon are all second round TEs.
Sean (Pittsburgh): What do the Colts do in the 1st round? O-line help or trying to replace Edgerrin James?
Mel Kiper: I think they have to look at OG. Deuce Lutui is huge. He is a massive OG. He's 6-3, 338 pounds. If they want to take a RB, Maroney. The Colts have a history of looking at great players that are shorter.
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victor (austin): I read an Article regarding Marcus Vick and Competitive Edge Sports founder Chip Smith who claims Marcus Vick is going to break or be close to combine records. He also goes on to say how he is an amazing athlete and a different person from what he has heard and read in the media and has an amazing work ethic to boot. If this is all true do you see Marcus making a big move up the board?
Mel Kiper: Hard to say. We have to wait and see how the workouts go. He didn't finish the season strong at Va. Tech on the field. There's too many factors that are undetermined right now. He's one player I can't even put a round projection on him. He's no guaranteed first day pick.
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Chris ( Philly): What do you see the Eagles doing with the 14th pick?
Mel Kiper: I think they have some need areas. They need a WR. Also, they've been a team that's done a good job on draft day. They could look at Holmes. They could go OT. Justice of USC. They could go DL like Tamba Hali. WR, OT, DE and OLB are the areas that they need help at.
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Brett (Illinois): Besides all the Sinorice Moss talk, who are some big play potential players maybe flying a little under the radar?
Mel Kiper: If you're looking at WR, probably start out with Cory Rodgers from TCU. He was also a great KR. Brandon Williams a WR/Return man from Wisconsin. Another guy is Greg Jennings from W. Michigan is very underrated.
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Curtis (Indy): Any chance Kyle Killion get drafted?
Mel Kiper: Right now, based on where he's rated, I'd say more of a free agent that could help on special teams.
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Isaac Norfolk, Va: Why do we not here more about this kid from Florida Chad Jackson? He is overshadowed by allot of people.
Mel Kiper: Jackson's a good football player. The concern is that his average yards per catch dropped. But that was because of the offense. The Urban Meyer offense is a lot of short stuff. Jackson has good size and has great hands. He's not afraid to catch the ball in traffic. I think he's a late first round possbility.
Mel Kiper: The Florida receivers over the last several years have not paned out in the NFL. There's been a lot of Florida receivers that went pretty high in the draft and didn't materialize into big time players.
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Frank (LA): With all these Trojan projected how many can go 1st round 7 or 8?
Mel Kiper: Right now you're looking at 6. Bush, Leinart, Justice, White, Byrd and Lutui. Darnell Bing is another that people are projecting in the first, I've got him in the second.
Mel Kiper: The next highest school is Ohio State. I have four guys in the first round. Holmes, Hawk, Youbout and Carpenter.
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Bob (Michigan): After a failed Joey Harrington experiment, you really think the Lions would take Cutler? What is different about him that make you confident he'll be successful?
Mel Kiper: You don't evaluate players on previous mistakes. You can't be gunshy. Keep in mind there's a new head coach evaluating these players. You can't shy away. You keep trying. It's not going to be like their WR picks. They could go with the Cutler route, but they could go another way.
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Zach (Dallas, TX): Who do you see the Cowboys going after in the first round this year?
Mel Kiper: I think McNeal, Simpson, Jimmy Williams. The guy that would look best is Huff, but he'll be long gone.
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Jeremy (MN): What is the word on Jeremy Bloom?
Mel Kiper: He's busy now with the Olympics. I like Bloom, based on what I saw in Colorado. He's a natural catching the football. The skiing benefits him on the football field. He's 5-9 and skis at 170, but he'll play at 185. He's a 3-4 round possibility. Pittsburgh, Chicago are two teams that might be interested in him.
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Jason (Cleveland, OH): Hey Mel, Where do you see Omar Jacobs from Bowling Green going? He's the next in a long line of great MAC QB's!
Mel Kiper: I don't agree with that. If you look at MAC QBs with Pennington, Leftwich, Roethlisberger. I'd be a little reluctant to put Jacobs in that group. He's closer to being like a Josh Harris, who hasn't emerged. He was a product of the offense. If you look at Jacobs, the delivery is a problem for me.
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JODY (Bethlehem,Ga): If you were the falcons gm who would you choose and what kind of moves would you make and why?
Mel Kiper: I think the Falcons have a key need at CB or safety. You need a guy with the versatility. Michael Huff has that. If they have to move up to get him, that's not a bad move. Then Jimmy Williams is also in there. OT is another area. Justice might fill in there. DE. Tamba Hali. Their needs are CB/S, OT, DE, WR.
Mel Kiper: We covered a ton of ground today. A lot of teams, lot of players. Next wednesday we'll bet getting ready for the combine and I'll have a lot of notes to pass around. Right now, it's kind of a lull until we get to the combine.
All that crap just to find out that Kiper thinks the Eagles will probably look at Santonio Holmes, Winston Justice, and Tamba Hali. Big shocker there. Thanks, Mel.
I'd be floored if the Eagles went with Holmes. Not quite Jon Harris floored, but floored nonetheless.
Quote from: Zanshin on February 16, 2006, 09:48:23 AM
I'd be floored if the Eagles went with Holmes.
If the Eagles were to go with Holmes, then they better have a brand new DE, DT and OLB on the roster via FA.
Holmes sucks.
I think Holmes is good. He's got speed.
Holmes sucks. This draft class eats ass for WRs and if they waste a first rounder on Holmes I'll projectile diarrhea spray every last one of you.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 04:33:38 PM
Holmes sucks. This draft class eats ass for WRs and if they waste a first rounder on Holmes I'll projectile diarrhea spray every last one of you.
just make sure you plug an ipod into you first
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 04:33:38 PM
Holmes sucks. This draft class eats ass for WRs and if they waste a first rounder on Holmes I'll projectile diarrhea spray every last one of you.
ha! try doing something that won't give me a raging hardon!
That made me gag and laugh. Gross.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on February 16, 2006, 04:37:38 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 04:33:38 PM
Holmes sucks. This draft class eats ass for WRs and if they waste a first rounder on Holmes I'll projectile diarrhea spray every last one of you.
ha! try doing something that won't give me a raging hardon!
ok...that was funny.
thank you
Quote from: rjs246 on February 16, 2006, 04:33:38 PM
Holmes sucks. This draft class eats ass for WRs and if they waste a first rounder on Holmes I'll projectile diarrhea spray every last one of you.
This draft class doesn't have a Braylon Edwards or a Mike Williams, but Holmes is far from bad.
Plus he is a return man. I'm not saying he's the next Jerry Rice, but I think he is going to be a stud. If all receiver options are gone I wouldn't be upset with him as the pick. I like him a lot.
I hate to say it, but I'm warming up to the idea of drafting Holmes. Sure, I'd rather get a proven commodity in Randle-El or even Moulds, but Holmes could be a stud WR eventually, and he should be able to contribute as a KR and PR immediately, possibly reducing the chance that Reno is back.
Anything that reduces the chance of seeing Reno in an Eagles uniform next year makes me happy.
Stop it, all of you. The gaping needs on this team will not be remedied by drafting another undersized WR.
I've said they need to draft defense first. If that is taken care of in free agency and the Eagles have yet to address the WR position then I'm all for taking Holmes.
Two young stud receivers that Donovan can grow with. Our WR problems will be solved for the next 5-10 years. We won't have to keep figuring out what WR to sign every 2 years.
Chargers, Cowboys have similar draft needs
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By Mel Kiper Jr.
Special to ESPN Insider
Players report to the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis Wednesday, but the heart of the combine, with workouts and measurements, won't really heat up until the weekend.
I will have an update next Tuesday of the combine, but until then it's time to reach into the mailbag one more time and answer questions about April's NFL draft.
What do you see the Buccaneers doing in the first round? Will they finally go out and get some help on the offensive line? -- Gary, North Port, Fla.
The Buccaneers would like another wide receiver and get some depth behind Joey Galloway and Michael Clayton. They could also use a left tackle and the strong-side linebacker spot, which is why I'm projecting them to take Alabama linebacker DeMeco Ryans with the 23rd pick.
Auburn had an excellent draft last year, one of their best in a long time. Who do you see getting drafted from Auburn this year and how high? -- Paul, Indianapolis
The first player off the board from Auburn probably will be offensive tackle Marcus McNeill. He did not have a great year, but got better as the season went on and had a decent week at the Senior Bowl. He's a first-round possibility, which is why I have him going to the Dallas Cowboys, who need offensive line help.
Auburn's Devin Aromashodu is one of the most underrated wide receivers going into the NFL scouting combine and individual workouts. He has excellent speed and had a decent week at the Senior Bowl. His route running needs to improve -- he tends to round off his patterns -- but he has very good hands. Aromashodu will be a good choice and could go as high as the second round.
What do you think the Ravens will do in the draft? Is [there] a possibility they trade Jamal Lewis come draft day? -- Steve, Baltimore
The situation with Jamal Lewis is still very much up in the air. Chester Taylor is an unrestricted free agent and the Ravens would like to have him back.
In terms of their needs, the Ravens will bring in a running back at some point, but they need a veteran quarterback to compete and challenge Kyle Boller for the starting job. They can't go into the season with Boller as their only starting quarterback option.
The Ravens also could use help at guard, defensive line and depth at cornerback. They want to bring back Dale Carter and feel he has a good role with the team, but they need depth at that position.
With the connection between Norm Chow and Matt Leinart, do you see the Tennessee Titans trading up one spot with New Orleans? -- Steve, Buffalo, N.Y.
The Titans don't have to do that. Leinart and Vince Young are very equal. They are different in terms of their style, but they have similar grades. It just depends who you like the most.
Unless Houston surprises everyone and takes Young, Tennessee is going to be OK picking third and getting a quarterback. Remember, the Titans still have Steve McNair and Billy Volek, so they are in good shape at that position. They don't need to force anything.
The Cowboys need to improve at safety, but they are getting old at wide receiver as well. Do you see them going after a safety or Ohio State wide receiver Santonio Holmes? -- Mark, Tiffin, Ohio
I don't know if Holmes will still be there when Dallas picks because he should be the first wide receiver off the board. Dallas also needs a free safety, so someone like Ko Simpson would be a good pick. Dallas also needs a right tackle (someone like McNeill) and an inside linebacker. Dallas will be able to go in a number of directions in the first round when it picks 18th overall.
I haven't seen much from you as far as the San Diego Chargers. What is the best pick for them in the first round, safety Ko Simpson or an offensive lineman? -- Troy, Brighton, Colo.
Simpson would be a very good pick, same with Holmes, because San Diego doesn't have a true No. 1 wide receiver.
The Chargers' situation mirrors the Cowboys': both need help at free safety and wide receiver. Both teams are eyeing the same players because San Diego picks right after Dallas.
Provided Jason Allen is medically cleared by doctors and has a good workout at the combine, could he move back into the first round where he was projected earlier in the season? If not, where do you see him going and will he play either cornerback or safety? -- James, Decatur, Ala.
Allen will be a cornerback initially, but if he doesn't cut it then he could be moved to safety. Allen would have been a first-round pick before he suffered a season-ending hip injury against Georgia.
It's hard to say if he can move back into the first round because we don't know what his medical situation is going into the combine. If he checks out favorably, I could see Allen going in the second round, but I'm not sure about the first round right now.
Is UAB quarterback Darrell Hackney still a draft prospect or will he go undrafted? -- Kelly, Columbia, S.C.
Hackney will either be a late-round pick or go as an undrafted free agent. He was all over the place with his throws and very inaccurate at the Senior Bowl practices, and that really hurt his draft stock. He was a fourth- or fifth-round possibility at UAB, but struggling as much as he did at the Senior Bowl could drop him out of the draft.
If Jeremy Bloom runs under 4.30 in the 40-yard dash do you think he'll be a second-round pick? -- Erik, Blue Bell, Pa.
I have Bloom as a third- or fourth-round pick. He's not going to move into the second round because he hasn't played football in two years and is going to be rusty.
He has great potential in terms of being a punt returner and could help a team right away on special teams. He'll settle in as a team's fourth or fifth wide receiver down the line because he has good hands and is explosive. But you don't just miss two seasons and take the NFL by storm. Look at Lions wide receiver Mike Williams. He struggled last year and that was after missing only one year of football.
If Bloom is a third-round pick, that's a lot to be proud of, and it's a very viable scenario.
If the Jets draft QB Jay Cutler with the fourth pick, could Virginia tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson fall to the Bills with the eighth pick? -- Mark, Buffalo
Yes, but you would also have to envision a scenario where a team or teams would trade up to draft Ferguson if he slides down that far. Left tackle is the Bills' No. 1 need area, and even they could trade up one spot with the 49ers to insure they get Ferguson, assuming he is still on the board.
yesterday he did his mock first round on sportscenter and had the eagles taking ernie sims
I don't know who ernie sims is, which leads me to believe that they will trade up for him.
He's a LB... being compared to Derrick Brooks but he's not that good.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 07, 2006, 08:48:00 AM
yesterday he did his mock first round on sportscenter and had the eagles taking ernie sims
no thank you
As of three days ago, every site I visited had Sims as a mid second round guy. His combine scores really didn't do much to help that fact. Kiper missed big with that one, I think Carpenter or D'Qwell Jackson would be a much better picks if they wanted to go with a LB at 14. My money is on Bunkley though.
Is it really? How many bones did you lay down?
(http://www.wtv-zone.com/dailysupplies/money/monopolymoney10-10.jpg)
Sims hype is all based on Vilma being productive in the NFL. Thats all they talk about.
Nick (San Francisco, CA): How do you feel about the second tier of QB's availble in this draft? Do you like Croyle, Jacobs or Whitehurst?
Mel Kiper: I think the guys that are the most intriguing are Croyle and Whitehurst. One of them will be the third QB drafted. Durability is a question for Croyle. Whitehurst still runs a little hot and cold. When he's on, he's great. His performance level varies from game to game. After that Tarvaris Jackson is intriguing. He's got a powerful arm. Another is Paul Penniger from Fresno State. An overachiever is Bruce Gradkowski from Toledo. Then you look at guys like Michael Robinson and Matt Bohnet. Matt's big and runs in the 4.6-range.
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Alex (Phoenix, AZ): With Oakland's addition of Aaron Brooks, would it be possible for them to trade down for Vince Young and use Brooks as a mentor? Or should they trade down for AJ Hawk if possible?
Mel Kiper: First, with Oakland if you sign Brooks and drafted Andrew Walter last year, you have to try and address your defensive needs. You have the young quarterback and you have the veteran quarterback you don't need another one. You have need areas at other places. Oakland could be looking at Michael Huff.
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Todd (warren NJ): since the jets will probably get D fergusen who do you think they'll take with the 29th pick? Thanks
Mel Kiper: What they need is help at center. They could use help at OLB. Demeco Ryans is a possibility. Nick Mangold also. They could be looking at getting a running back. It would make sense for them to grab Mangold.
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Nick W. (KCMO): What round do you see Maryland linebacker D'Qwell Jackson going and is their a chance he could reunite with Shawne Merriman
Mel Kiper: When you look at San Diego and their needs, they are WR, CB, LT. I don't see him being reunited with Merriman. Jackson is a solid second round pick. He was tremendously productive. He would be ideal for the Chicago Bears scheme. Teams that want the smaller LBs and are fast to the ball he is ideal.
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sam wa: where do you see kellen clemens gettin drafted
Mel Kiper: Clemens, because of his situation with the injuries, there was a chance, before the injury, he would be a third-fourth rounder. Now you're thinking more of a second day guy. He was really playing well. He was putting up big numbers. You're still talking Day 2, just a little later.
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Steve (King of Prussia, PA): Hi Mel, would 14 be too early for the Eagles to draft LenDale White? I agree the need for LB is more pressing, but the Eagles do not typically draft LBs that high, and they could also use more depth on both lines, but wouldn't the tandem of White and Westbrook give the Eagles much more versatility on offense? He's already accustomed to sharing carries with a back like Westbrook and it seems like a great fit to me. Thanks!
Mel Kiper: Is it too high for White? When you look at the Eagles' situation, DT is an area the Eagles could consider. A run-stuffing DT like Haloti Ngata is a guy they could look at. Broderick Bunkley would also be intriguing. Baltimore and Cleveland could be looking for DT help also.
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jay franklin atlanta, ga: who do you project the cleveland browns will take in the first round this year?
Mel Kiper: My next projection will be posted next week. But the Browns probably will be looking at someone to help their front seven on the defensive side. LB and DL are must haves for them. Chad Greenway, Sims, Hali, Ngata, Bunkley.
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sonny,salem, ohio: is the steelers biggest need a wr or rb?
Mel Kiper: I'd say right now, their No. 1 need is WR. That's why I think Sinorice Moss would be someone to look at. They also need FS and RB. They have to address the WR need early on. I'm not going to say that supercedes RB, but it's as equal. Moss is considered a return guy. He doesn't have the proven punt return skills that the other guys have. He's not a definite return guy, but he has the potential. The best punt returner in this draft is Maurice Drew. Jeremy Bloom could also become a great punt returner.
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Chris (Austin, TX): Hi Mel, just curious as to where you think Reggie McNeal will end up, and if he'll get a look at QB?
Mel Kiper: I think he will get a chance to play QB. He's got incredible athleticism. He runs a 4.39 40 at 6-2. To have him change positions, that's not a definite and it's not easy. There have been about 6 different QBs that have changed to WR in the NFL. In terms of McNeal, I think he's shown enough ability to warrant a shot at QB in the NFL. Then if that fails after a couple of years, then experiment with him at WR.
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Scott /Lincoln NE: Mel, How many secondary players do you envision going in the first round?
Mel Kiper: I think you could see eight in the first round. Jimmy Williams, Michael Huff, Ashton Youboty, Richard Marshall CB, Johnathon Joseph CB, Tye Hill CB, Donte Whitner, Kelly Jennings. There are a couple of other possibilities. Some think Antonio Cromartie could be in there too. But he has the injury and doesn't have much experience. Whitner will be viewed as some teams as a CB as well as a safety.
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Brian Chicago: With the Bears picking up Griese last week, how do you think they will address their passing game in the first 3 rounds
Mel Kiper: I think what they have to do is get a TE and a CB and WR and OLB. Those would be their four areas. If they could get a TE or CB in the early rounds. I think they'll go after Marcedes Lewis in the first round. They also want a WR with return skills in this draft. Perhaps a Jeremy Bloom.
Mel Kiper: They could take a CB in the first round and then benefit from the depth at the TE position and get one in the 2nd or third round.
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Tim (Cincy): I didnt see Devin Hester on your CB list....Did he bomb at the combine...What round do you think he will go in?
Mel Kiper: Devin Hester, when you look at him, the key thing is trying to define where he's going to play in the NFL. He's going to have to find a niche. He has potential to be a return man. He's going to have to be an outstanding return man. I think he could go as early as the 2nd round and no later than the 3rd-4th round. He has so much athleticism.
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Brian (NYC): What do you see the Broncos doing with their first round picks? Are they looking to use them to get into the top 5?
Mel Kiper: The Broncos are positioned perfectly right now at 15 and 22. They could get a WR or RB at 15, a Chad Jackson, Maroney, White. With those two picks they could get both. Their key area is defensive end. DE, TE, WR, RB are their four areas they need to address.
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Ben, Terre Haute IN: Who will the colts take in the first round? Is it possible Maroney could fall that far?
Mel Kiper: Colts need a RB and Maroney is a guy that makes a lot of sense. He was productive at Minnesota. You can't argue with his production. They also need to come up with a defensive back. Richard Marshall could be their first round pick. They need to address their secondary. OLB and OG are other areas.
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Marcus Price (Houston,Tx.): I went to high school with Jonny Jolly, defensive lineman for the Texas A&M and I wanted to know what his draft status will be?
Mel Kiper: Jolly is a guy that will end up in the second day. I thought at one point he might be a first day guy, but now I'm saying second day. He's a little erratic at times. You look at his stats and it's OK. He's played a lot of games in the Big 12. I think he's more of a backup in the NFL.
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WILL DALLAS,TEXAS: mel do you think niners is lock up on getting davis and then drafting a lb like hodge or t.howard later in the round?
Mel Kiper: I think at 6, they can get Davis. That would be a plus to their offense. If they can get somebody like that, definitely. They would have to look at CB or OLB in the second round. That's where I would say they should go. A guy that will be interesting at OLB is Thomas Howard. He's not as instinctive as the other LBs. He has great potential.
Bob Deluca-NJ: who do you see for the giants- OLT, OLB, WR or DB?
Mel Kiper: I think they need a OLB No. 1. Ernie Sims is a possibility. They've done enough via free agency in the secondary. DT is another area. LT and WR. LB is their primary need area. Chad Greenway is another possibility.
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Jason (Music City): What's the current value of Marcus McNeill?
Mel Kiper: I'd say he's got value as a second round pick. I thought at one point he was a first rounder. He has talent, but he did not play as well as a senior as he did as a junior. You saw some things that if he's coached well, he could be a starter in the NFL.
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Todd (ATL): Are the falcons still in the market for a saftey from the draft even after they signed one veteran and traded for another?
Mel Kiper: I think right now their need areas are CB, LT and depth at the safety spot. Right now, CB and LT are their primary need areas.
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Kyle Berthusen (KS): Will the KC Chiefs continue to strengthen their offense or look for a defensive heavyweight?
Mel Kiper: I would say CB or WR with the emphasis at CB. You look at Tye Hill, Youboty, Whitner, they could all help. They will find a corner that will really help them. You're going to have four Buckeyes in the first round.
Mel Kiper: Tye Hill was one of the most impressive players at the Senior Bowl practices. He went to the combine and ran in the 4.3s.
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Maurice (Landover, MD): Hello Mel, love your input. With glaring holes at the LB and DL position, should the taterskinS go with a linebacker or defensive end in the second round?
Mel Kiper: I think in terms of where they'll go is CB and LB. There is depth in the defensive secondary. D'Qwell Jackson would be a good fit for them in the second round. There's a good chance he'll be there. Another guy that I think will be a good player in the NFL is Rocky MacIntosh. He's helped himself since the season ended. Cameron Vaughn is a fourth round pick. For the taterskins is either Jackson or MacIntosh.
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Lou (Deptford, NJ): Mel, any chance the Bears take one of the big 3 receivers (Jackson, Moss, Holmes) in the first round?
Mel Kiper: I don't think you'll see Holmes or Jackson fall that far. Moss is a possibility. CB and TE are bigger need areas, however. I don't think WR is a primary need area.
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Brian (Norman): Mel, is it safe to say that Bush, Leinart, Ferguson, and Super Mario all rate higher than anyone in last year's draft?
Mel Kiper: That's a good question. When you look at last year, I would say right now definitely Bush, Leinart, Mario Williams, Ferguson, Young, Hawk, Vernon Davis, Michael Huff will have higher grades than anyone last year. There may end up being one or two more that are in that mix. There are about 5-6 other players that are on par with last year.
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Shane NY, NY: This draft seems very strong and very deep. In you 26+ years of covering the draft what year had the most talanted class? Also how would you rank this years group?
Mel Kiper: It's an awful good class this year. The thing that's helped this year is the underclassmen. You have Young, Bush, Maroney, White, Calhoun, Chad Jackson, Santonio Holmes, Vernon Davis, Leonard Pope, Winston Justice, Mario Williams, Haloti Ngata, Ernie Sims, Youboty, Whitner, Johnathon Joseph, Ko Simpson, Cromartie, Devin Hester, Danial Manning are all some of the best players in the draft and are all 1-2 rounders. And four of the eight players I just mentioned of being the higher rated players are all underclassmen.
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Jason (NY): Can you describe what it is like on the ESPN set during draft day? Are you rummaging through notes the whole time?
Mel Kiper: You are, because you can't worry about looking at stuff because everything's happening so fast. When a player's picked, sometimes it comes as a surprise. Everything you go by is something that I've written or talked about before. But you try to come up with something fresh and new. I have my book in front of me. If I write it, I remember it. I always check with my book to see if the players are coming off the way I thought.
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Paul LA, CA: Where would Alex Smith be in this years draft? Is he that far behind the big 3 qbs this year?
Mel Kiper: I think Alex Smith would have been the fourth highest rated QB. He would not have been ahead of Leinart or Young. He wouldn't have been ahead of Cutler. You talk about a wise decision to come out early, he made a good decision. Even last year, Aaron Rodgers was the 24th overall pick and at one point, he was considered the No. 1 pick.
Mel Kiper: It's all about timing. You talk about mixed opinions with Rodgers. From No. 1 to 24. It was an odd year last year. There was no obvious No. 1 pick. There was no clear cut consensus.
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James (Beltsville,MD): Who do you think the Ravens will be looking at with their first and second round picks? If Vince Young is still available with picks 9 through 12 do you think they'll try to trade down and draft him?
Mel Kiper: The Ravens are a little perplexing right now. I thought they would be aggressive and get a QB. Right now Boller is the QB without any competition. Kerry Collins is the only guy out there that could help them. I don't think that when you have a young QB, you go out and draft another one. I think DT is still their primary need area. Broderick Bunkley is an ideal pick for them.
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The Professor (Cambridge, MA): Who would you rather be tackled by - AJ Hawk or Mario Williams?
Mel Kiper: Neither! Hawks is a form tackler. You saw Williams dominating play late in the season. If you're a QB, Williams is going to be a potential sack artist. Hawk is going to be a Spielman type. Williams is going to have a higher grade, because he's like Julius Peppers. His numbers at the combine was 6-7, 35 reps, 295 pounds, 4.7 40, 40.5 vertical. The last three games of the season and bowl game, he dominated.
Mel Kiper: We covered a lot of ground today. Every Wednesday, we'll keep rolling up to the draft. I'll have another draft projection next week on ESPN.com. It will include the updates from the free agency and trades. I'm not sure exactly when it will be up, but it should be there by midweek, possibly right before our chat next week.
Mel Kiper: I think in terms of where they'll go is CB and LB. There is depth in the defensive secondary. D'Qwell Jackson would be a good fit for them in the second round. There's a good chance he'll be there. Another guy that I think will be a good player in the NFL is Rocky MacIntosh. He's helped himself since the season ended. Cameron Vaughn is a fourth round pick. For the taterskins is either Jackson or MacIntosh
id kill for either rocky or dqwell...both are gonna be studs...i couldnt handle the taterskins getting either one