Is it me or has the officiating in the playoffs been absolute horseshtein? My second favourite screw up was the Asante Samuel pass interference which, if anything, was OFFENSIVE pi. However, that was topped in spectacular fashion by the Polamalu interception, fumble then recovery which they got spectacularly wrong EVEN AFTER REPLAY. Scrap replay, it delays the game too much and gives officials a comfort zone which has led to the worst officiated playoffs I can remember.
You might also include the Bailey fumble - that should have been a touchback.
In related news, watching Ben Watson haul ass 100 yds to hit Bailey at the one was farging amazing.
I was totally disgusted with the Polamalu farg up on the replay.
if not for replay, they would've given thomas jones a td on the play where he fumbled at the 1...
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 16, 2006, 09:19:48 AMIn related news, watching Ben Watson haul ass 100 yds to hit Bailey at the one was farging amazing.
No shtein. Kid is a football player.
Where do you want to start? It started with som eridiculous non-calls and reversals in the reular season. Jeff Tripplette, who called the Denver game, was in the middle of that Pittsburgh-Detroit fiasco a few years ago on Thanksgiving Day.
--The PI call in Denver
--The non-interference call on Randle-El
--The overturning of the I-caught-the-ball-rolled over-still had it-kicked it out when I got up INT.
--how about the non-call on the offsides by the Colts? The Steelers didn't move, the Colts WHOLE defensive line was in the Steeler backfield, yet it WASN'T EITHER OFFSIDES OR ILLEGAL PROCEDURE (which it clearly wasn't)
--the non-call in the Bears game for delay of game, when Grossman threw his INT
yeah, it has been pretty damn bad. But Im not surprised, and neither are you.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 16, 2006, 09:19:48 AM
You might also include the Bailey fumble - that should have been a touchback.
In related news, watching Ben Watson haul ass 100 yds to hit Bailey at the one was farging amazing.
Looking at the replay, I thought it should have been a touchback, but I would not have been able to definitively say so. If the refs had originally called it a touchback, it would not have been overturned. They called it out at the one, it wasn't overturned.
The replay just wasn't definitive enough to overturn the call either way.
Yeah, I agree it sucks.
And all week at work I've been dealing with Pats fans saying how they're going to kick Denver's butt. Now I know they're all going to blame it on the referee's.
But the ref didn't cause five turnovers.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on January 16, 2006, 09:29:12 AM
--how about the non-call on the offsides by the Colts? The Steelers didn't move, the Colts WHOLE defensive line was in the Steeler backfield, yet it WASN'T EITHER OFFSIDES OR ILLEGAL PROCEDURE (which it clearly wasn't)
i agree that there should've been a call there. but several things were missed. first of all, Faneca of the Steelers did move, but the officials missed it. but once the entire Colts d-line jumps offsides and makes contact with the o-line, how can there be no call?
Quote--the non-call in the Bears game for delay of game, when Grossman threw his INT
for whatever reason, that happens a lot in the NFL, you can watch just about any game on any Sunday and see that happen. it just so happened to be more in the spotlight because of the result of the play.
Quote from: Phillyiggles_fan on January 16, 2006, 09:33:27 AM
Yeah, I agree it sucks.
And all week at work I've been dealing with Pats fans saying how they're going to kick Denver's butt. Now I know they're all going to blame it on the referee's.
But the ref didn't cause five turnovers.
My Pats fan wife put it where it belonged: on the turnovers.
Now, her
brother... :-D
Another thing...
Peyton should've been called for a safety yesterday.
The ball was in the endzone. Granted his feet were on the 1-inch line butthe ball broke the plane of the goalline. But they said no safety because of where his feet where.
But look at it from the opposite way...
If the Colts have the ball on the 1 yard line and are coming out...let's say they hand it off to Edge. Edge gets hung up and dives to get the ball over the goal line. No safety because the ball wasn't in the endzone...no matter where his feet were.
I thought a spot was meant to be where the ball is when your knee is down...right? So it should've been a safety.
I'll be looking out for a report on the officiating grades at the end of the season. I know the league (or someone) reviews the whole season, official by official. My impression is that this has been a particularly poor season, but that's just a gut feeling.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 16, 2006, 09:22:13 AM
I was totally disgusted with the Polamalu farg up on the replay.
I think the refs got it right, it is the rule which is totally wrong. One of these days I'm going to pick up a copy of the NFL rule book, but for now you are going to have to put up with my memory and speculation.
There is something funky in the rules for possession that says that if the player goes down while catching the ball, they have to retain possession until they get back up or until the play is over. That's why a when player who catches the ball, gets both feet in bounds, then hits the ground (say, diving catch) and the ball bounces away it is ruled incomplete.
The official ruled that the ball came out while Polamalu was still on the ground (knee touching). It is the farging tuck rule all over again - yes it is stupid, but by the letter of the law, they made the right call.
so much for the "it was the right call by the rulebook" bullshtein
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NEW YORK -- Referee Pete Morelli's decision to overturn an apparent interception by Pittsburgh's Troy Polamalu late in the Steelers game Sunday in Indianapolis was a judgment call, the NFL said Monday.
It came with 5:26 left in Pittsburgh's 21-18 win over the Colts.
Polamalu made a diving catch. When he got up to run, he fumbled the ball, then recovered. Colts coach Tony Dungy challenged and Morelli ruled Polamalu had not completed the catch, so it was an incomplete pass.
About a dozen TV and scoreboard replays indicated otherwise.
The Colts kept the ball and went on to score, cutting Pittsburgh's lead to three points in a game that ended with a missed field goal by Indy's Mike Vanderjagt that could have sent it to overtime.
"The issue was whether he had possession. The ball came loose when he was getting up. Pete Morelli determined it wasn't a catch," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. "That was his judgment."
Aiello added that the league's officiating department had not yet officially reviewed the call to determine if Morelli had made the right decision.
The NFL almost never makes public the result of its reviews, although it did three years ago, when supervisor of officials Mike Pereira said officials should have called pass interference against San Francisco on the final play of a wild-card game with the New York Giants. The correct call would have given New York a second chance to kick a game-winning field goal in a 39-38 loss.
Aiello had no comment on a remark by Pittsburgh's Joey Porter, who said of the Polamalu ruling:
"I know they wanted Indy to win this game; the whole world loves Peyton Manning. But come on, man, don't take the game away from us like that."
In the past, players who have made comments like that have been subject to fines.
I say there is no one out there who watches football other than a Colts fan who thinks that Polamalu play was incomplete. The ref did, therefor he was a Colts fan.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 16, 2006, 02:08:53 PM
"The issue was whether he had possession. The ball came loose when he was getting up. Pete Morelli determined it wasn't a catch," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said. "That was his judgment."
I think this supports my argument - why would the ball coming loose while getting up be relevant if it wasn't part of the rule?
Just being devil's advocate here...I personally think this is another bullshtein-tuck-rule call where the judgement should be about the intent of the rule, rather than the absolute wording.
So if he just lays there on the ground it is an INT, but if he decides to get up and run after his INT and fumbles it, it is an imcomplete pass? hardy haaaar haar.
The ref stated at the beginning of his announcement that Polamalu caught the ball. He specifically said "he caught the ball"
It was a bullshtein call any way you slice it.
I agree it was a crap call. But Polamalu shouldn't have gotten up. Game was over with that pick, why risk it?
Because he ain't very smart. Just look at his dumbass lateral in Cincy last week.
Quote from: MURP on January 16, 2006, 03:36:30 PM
So if he just lays there on the ground it is an INT, but if he decides to get up and run after his INT and fumbles it, it is an imcomplete pass? hardy haaaar haar.
Yes, exactly. Just like every QB should "pump fake" at the beginning of the play and leave their arm out away from their bodies so that any fumble would be ruled an incomplete pass.
A similar rule exists for catches in the end-zone: If a receiver catches the ball and gets both feet down, then gets hit and drops it, it is a TD. If the receiver catches the ball, gets both feet down, and the ball comes out when he hits the ground, it is incomplete. Stupid rule.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2006, 03:42:47 PMBecause he ain't very smart. Just look at his dumbass lateral in Cincy last week.
Getting up after that pick and the lateral last week notwithstanding, I think you'd have to agree that Polamalu is one of the more intelligent players in the league. Going simply by the "can you speak in full sentences" measure, he's got 75% of the league beat.
NFL official say: They got it WRONG (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294309)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 16, 2006, 04:56:00 PM
NFL official say: They got it WRONG (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2294309)
Yeah, but there was an obscure rule involved...not cut and dry as everyone assumes...
Quote"The rule regarding the performing of an act common to the game applies when there is contact with a defensive player and the ball comes loose, which did not happen here."
Give the refs a farging break. You need to be a farging lawyer to understand half the rules, and they do it part-time...
I'll shut up and go away now.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 16, 2006, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2006, 03:42:47 PMBecause he ain't very smart. Just look at his dumbass lateral in Cincy last week.
Getting up after that pick and the lateral last week notwithstanding, I think you'd have to agree that Polamalu is one of the more intelligent players in the league. Going simply by the "can you speak in full sentences" measure, he's got 75% of the league beat.
I agree Dio. The guy also shows that thing called football intellegence. Few have it. Dawkins, Polamalu, Reed.....a few others. Guys that are always around the ball.
I can't believe that any of you care about the officiating in any of these games. Watching officials farg up calls in games that the Eagles aren't playing in is farging hysterical. The sideline and commentator reactions are priceless.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2006, 05:44:37 PM
I can't believe that any of you care about the officiating in any of these games. Watching officials farg up calls in games that the Eagles aren't playing in is farging hysterical. The sideline and commentator reactions are priceless.
Yeah, but if you're a FOOTBALL FAN, WITH NO EAGLES GAMES TO WATCH, the playoffs are worth watching. But it's just strange how these guys, who have been officiating FOR YEARS, even with instant replay can screw up the calls.
I am a huge football fan but I couldn't care less about the officiating decisions being made in these games. I prefer that they call nothing so I can spend more time watching the game and less time seeing Ed Hochuli's face, but outside of that, I odn't care how they officiate the games.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 17, 2006, 12:10:22 PM
I am a huge football fan but I couldn't care less about the officiating decisions being made in these games. I prefer that they call nothing so I can spend more time watching the game and less time seeing Ed Hochuli's face, but outside of that, I odn't care how they officiate the games.
It wasn't just bad officiating, in the Steelers/colts game, it was obivious the team they wanted to come out of the game. The flinch on the O-lineman, that became a "uh no foul, just replay", that wouldn't even fly with my crew when we officiate little league football. the coaches would have gone nuts.
i enjoy the bad calls because it sends fans into a tizzy.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 17, 2006, 12:38:41 PM
i enjoy the bad calls because it sends fans into a tizzy.
Exactly.
This conspiracy theory stuff is ridiculous.
Look, if the NFL were going to fix games, they'd make sure the two strongest and largest fan bases made the SB, which would've been (at a guess) the Giants and the Patriots.
But they don't care. Know why? Because 2/3 of the country would watch the SB if it was a rematch of the Bush Bowl. They don't have to make a story. The SB has a life of it's own.
I just wish they'd fix an Eagles Super Bowl in our favor.
:'(
the ref that made the bad call in the Pitt-Colts game
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5257526
Ha. Football fans rule.