But Bruce Sutter gets in. (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2286997)
These dudes are from the era of my life when I was a massive baseball fan (before I realized that real athletes play contact sports). In my opinion they all deserve to be voted in, but the only one that drives me nuts is Jack Morris. He dominated in just about every way for just about his entire career. He was money in the post season and pitched one of the most amazing games I've ever seen (game 7, world series, 10-inning shutout). No one in that era was as good as he was and the chances are he'll never make the hall in spite of being the ace on every staff he was on, starting a few all-star games, throwing a no hitter, being clutch in the post season and leading all pitchers in wins over the course of his career, which is bullshtein. farg baseball.
Bert Blyleven had 287 wins in his career and threw more complete games in a year by himself than an entire staff would throw all year in this era.
Goose Gossage wasn't some Hoyda who threw a few pitches and got a save. He would pitch 2, sometimes 3 innings a night to earn a measelly save.
The writers should have the vote stripped from them. Their omission alone should be proof that the writers are farging toolbags.
Dumbass baseball writers.
Andre Dawson, Jim Rice, Bert "Be home" Blyleven and Goose Gossage all should be going in.
Funny thing is that I think some that have been shunned should be in before Sutter. Sutter belongs in, though.
Here's Sutter's record:
1. Bruce Sutter (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/suttebr01.shtml): 400 votes.
- 68-71, 2.83 ERA, 300 saves in 12 seasons.
- 6-time all star.
- 1979 NL Cy Young Award
- 4-time NL Rolaids Relief Man (1979, 81, 82, 84
- Won World Series with Cardinals in 1982.
- 40+ saves once (45 in 1984), 30+ three times, 20+ five times in 12 seasons.
- Led league in saves five times
- Pitched in 661 games.
Here are some still on the outside looking in. A player needs 75% of the ballots (390 out of 520 ballots)
2. Jim Rice (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/riceji01.shtml): 337 votes
- 382 HR, 1451 RBI, .298 AVG, .864 OPS in 16 seasons.
- 1978 MVP
- 8-time all-star
- Hit 40+ HR one time (46 in 1978), 30+ three more times
- Hit 100+ RBI eight times.
- Hit .300+ seven times.
3. Goose Gossage (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gossari01.shtml): 336 votes
- 124-107, 310 saves, 3.01 ERA in 22 seasons.
- 9-time all-star
- Led league in saves three times; finished second twice
- Had 20+ saves 10 of 12 years (one year was a starter) 1975-1986- saves were harder then.
- 1978 Rolaids Relief Man of the Year
- Pitched 1002 games in 22 seasons
4. Andre Dawson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dawsoan01.shtml): 317 votes
- 438 HRs, 1591 RBI, .279 AVG, .806 OPS, 314 SB in 21 seasons.
- 1977 NL Rookie of the Year
- 1987 NL MVP.
- 2nd in MVP voting 1981, 1983.
- 8-time all-star
- Hit 40+ HR one time (49 in 1987), two more 30+
- 100+ RBI four times.
- 8 Gold Gloves
- Led league in HR and RBI once each
5. Bert Blyleven (http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/blylebe01.shtml): 277 votes
- 287-250, 3.31 ERA in 22 seasons.
- Completed 242 of 685 games started (35.3%).
- 2-time all-star.
- 5th all-time in career strikeouts (3,701).
- Won World Series in 1979 (Pittsburgh) and 1987 (Minnesota).
- Won 20 games once (20 in 1973), 19 once (1984), 15+ 8 more times
- Lost 15+ games seven times.
- Pitched 200+ innings eight times.
- Pitched 60 shutouts.
- 4,970 career innings (13th all-time).
- Top-10 in ERA 10 times.
6. Lee Smith (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/smithle02.shtml): 234 votes.
- 71-92, 478 saves, 3.03 ERA in 18 seasons.
- 7-time all-star.
- All-time save leader (478).
- 40+ saves three times, 30+ seven more times.
- 3-time winner, Rolaids Relief Man (1991, 1992, 1994).
- 1022 games pitched over 18 seasons.
- 1251 strikeouts over 1289.3 innings.
7. Jack Morris (//http://): 214 votes.
- 254-186, 3.90 ERA in 18 seasons.
- 5-time all-star.
- Won 20+ games three times (1983, 1986, 1992), 15+ 9 more times.
- 1991 World Series MVP.
- Won World Series in 1984, 1991, 1992.
- Pitched 200+ innings 11 times.
- Complete 175 of 527 games started (33.1%).
- 2,478 career strikeouts- 29th all-time.
8. Tommy John (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnto01.shtml): 154 votes.
- 288-231, 3.34 ERA in 26 seasons.
- 4-time all-star.
- Pioneered comeback from elbow ligament transplant "Tommy John" surgery.
- Played and lost three World Series (1977, 1978, 1981).
- Won 20 games three times (1977, 1979, 1980), 15+ 2 more times.
- Pitched 26 years (1963-1989).
- Completed 162 of 700 starts (23.1%)
- 46 career shutouts.
- 4,710.3 innings (10th all time).
- 2,245 career strikeouts (27th).
9. Steve Garvey (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/garvest01.shtml): 135 votes.
- 272 HR, 1308 RBI, .294 AVG, .775 OPS in 19 seasons.
- 10-time all-star.
- Leads NL in consecutive games (1207)
- 2,599 career hits.
- 1974 NL MVP.
- NLCS MVP 1978, 1984.
- 4 gold gloves (1974-1977)
- 30+ HR once (1977), 20+ 5 mroe times.
- 100+ RBI five times.
- .300+ AVG seven times.
QuoteAndre Dawson: 317 votes
438 HRs, 1591 RBI, .279 AVG, .806 OPS, 314 SB in 21 seasons.
1977 NL Rookie of the Year
8-time all-star
Hit 40+ HR one time (49 in 1987), two more 30+
100+ RBI four times.
8 Gold Gloves
Led league in HR and RBI once each
Didn't Dawson win an MVP award too? In 86 or 87? ???
I want to say it was 87 when he had that massive year but I'm not certain.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2006, 11:06:50 PM
QuoteAndre Dawson: 317 votes
438 HRs, 1591 RBI, .279 AVG, .806 OPS, 314 SB in 21 seasons.
1977 NL Rookie of the Year
8-time all-star
Hit 40+ HR one time (49 in 1987), two more 30+
100+ RBI four times.
8 Gold Gloves
Led league in HR and RBI once each
Didn't Dawson win an MVP award too? In 86 or 87? ???
I want to say it was 87 when he had that massive year but I'm not certain.
You are correct. I thought I had it in there- I'll be adding it now.
There's a guy coming up in a couple of years that would have my vote:
Tim Raines.
Absolutely awesome player when he played in Montreal. The guy had power, hit for average, played great defense, stole about a million bases, and had a gun for an arm in his early days.
He hit a screaming line drive one night when I was out in the left field seats at the Vet that nearly killed my ass. :-D
I still have the ball that I got him to autograph the next day. He wasn't going to sign it until I told him he almost killed me with it the day before. He laughed and said, "sure kid, no problem."
Still one of my favorites... :yay
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 10, 2006, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2006, 11:06:50 PM
QuoteAndre Dawson: 317 votes
438 HRs, 1591 RBI, .279 AVG, .806 OPS, 314 SB in 21 seasons.
1977 NL Rookie of the Year
8-time all-star
Hit 40+ HR one time (49 in 1987), two more 30+
100+ RBI four times.
8 Gold Gloves
Led league in HR and RBI once each
Didn't Dawson win an MVP award too? In 86 or 87? ???
I want to say it was 87 when he had that massive year but I'm not certain.
You are correct. I thought I had it in there- I'll be adding it now.
It's all good man. I'm here to point out everyone's mistakes. It's what I do. :)
BTW, your shoe's untied.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 11:22:01 PM
There's a guy coming up in a couple of years that would have my vote:
Tim Raines.
Absolutely awesome player when he played in Montreal. The guy had power, hit for average, played great defense, stole about a million bases, and had a gun for an arm in his early days.
He hit a screaming line drive one night when I was out in the left field seats at the Vet that nearly killed my ass. :-D
I still have the ball that I got him to autograph the next day. He wasn't going to sign it until I told him he almost killed me with it the day before. He laughed and said, "sure kid, no problem."
Still one of my favorites... :yay
Definately. That guy could do it all and he had a pretty nice jerry curl going on too. Ability
and style. Now that's HOF material.
way to zesty up the hof guys...only the best of the best get in...its the last hof that has any dignity at all...it should be kept that way...all these players were great but they werent hof's...except for perhaps blyleven
the only reason any of these clowns get in at all is that they have the luxury of classes that are terrible and the voters feel as if someone has to get in...unfortunately this will continue as looking ahead after this next year are 3 years with garbage candidates...except ricky....so expect some more of these marginal guys...most likely Rice and Gossage to get in 08 ro 09...
IMO Jack Morris isn't borderline. He should be a farging lock. These voters are idiots.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2006, 06:32:51 AM
way to zesty up the hof guys...only the best of the best get in...its the last hof that has any dignity at al
Are you trying to say that the NFL Hall of Fans has no dignity?
the nfl hall voting is a joke...not only are there some players in who shouldnt be but the politics of getting people in is ridiculous because they only have something like 40 hof voters...so what happens is the bias of one or two voters means something compared with baseball and it voter numbers being in the hundreds