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Title: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2006, 06:40:59 AM
From PFT.com;

QuoteCHAD TOOK SWING AT MARVIN

A league source tells us that multiple members of the Cincinnati Bengals witnessed a troubling incident as the team prepared to take the field for the second half of Sunday's playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Per the source, the last few minutes of intermission were ticking away, when the players were startled by the sight and sound of a helmet slamming against the glass pane of the training room door.  Inside, receiver Chad Johnson and receivers coach Hue Jackson were engaged in an altercation.  At one point, Johnson was seen holding Jackson in a headlock.

Coach Marvin Lewis entered the training room to intervene, and Johnson (per the source) took a swing at him.

Eventually, receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh broke up the skirmish, within a minute or so of the team exiting the locker room for the second half.

On Monday, several members of the team pointed to the Johnson-Jackson-Lewis incident as the catalyst for the loss of a 17-14 halftime lead and, ultimately, a 31-17 defeat.

Word is that Johnson was unhappy with the lack of balls thrown to him in the first half.  A total of three passes came his way, with two completions.

In the second half, another three passes were thrown to Johnson, with only two more completions.  For the game, Johnson had four catches for 59 yards.

The incident could have an even more lasting impact on the team than quarterback Carson Palmer's torn ACL and MCL.  Some players, we're told, don't want to see Johnson back next year, and there's a belief that the team will be less inclined to give in to Johnson's request for a hefty restructuring of a contract that expires after the 2009 season.

So the Chad Johnson saga very well could evolve into the 2006 version of the Terrell Owens fiasco.

If so, it's very bad news for a franchise that otherwise looked to have a very bright future.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: rjs246 on January 10, 2006, 08:14:13 AM
Elite wide receiver = farging nut job.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Wingspan on January 10, 2006, 08:14:31 AM
get johnson! ;D
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: SunMo on January 10, 2006, 08:39:03 AM
TO lite is slowly becoming TO II
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: BigEd76 on January 10, 2006, 09:42:55 AM
I hate WRs
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: phattymatty on January 10, 2006, 09:53:17 AM
Trade TO for Chad Johnson.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 10, 2006, 10:11:20 AM
Christ, I pray that the TO, Jamal Lewis, Sean Taylor, Maurice Clarett, Marcus Vick, and now Chad Johnson incidents wake some people the farg up around the NFL and other sports. Spoiled farging children. They can get away with anything. >:(
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Zanshin on January 10, 2006, 10:16:08 AM
You, know, PhillyPhaninDC....I really look forward to your posts.  Nothing to do with the content really, because I can't say that I remember any of the words-- but your avatar is hypnotizing and generally brightens my day.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 10, 2006, 10:23:43 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 10, 2006, 10:16:08 AM
You, know, PhillyPhaninDC....I really look forward to your posts.  Nothing to do with the content really, because I can't say that I remember any of the words-- but your avatar is hypnotizing and generally brightens my day.

I'm not sure how to feel about that..... just don't associate my web-personality with........ya know....... :paranoid
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Zanshin on January 10, 2006, 10:30:28 AM
Sorry, did you say something?  I was distracted.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Feva on January 10, 2006, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 10, 2006, 10:30:28 AM
Sorry, did you say something?  I was distracted.

SHUT UP! I'm tryin' to watch the avatar!
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: 4and26 on January 10, 2006, 02:30:18 PM
"Per the source", "Some players, we're told," comments like that make you question the validity of this.  Come on, you can't tell me Johnson himself would not have been beaking off about this after the game  ???
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 10, 2006, 02:39:34 PM
Cincy needs to send in their ambassader to straighten things out.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2006, 03:49:40 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 10, 2006, 02:39:34 PM
Cincy needs to send in their ambassader to straighten things out.

Cincy's ambassador is Chris Collinsworth.  Seriously, who's he gonna fight? 
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MURP on January 10, 2006, 04:18:33 PM
his hair
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Rome on January 10, 2006, 04:32:55 PM
Bahaha.  This story is a crock of shtein.

If this actually happened, Johnson would have found himself at the end of the bench in the second half.

Marvin Lewis is a no-nonsense kinda guy and wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing.  No way, no how.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 10, 2006, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 04:32:55 PM

Marvin Lewis is a no-nonsense kinda guy and wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing.  No way, no how.

That was my first thought too, but they lost Carson Palmer and Chris Henry early. First time in the playoffs for Marv, first time in the playoffs in a while for Cincy, home game. Lots of factors to consider.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Rome on January 10, 2006, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 10, 2006, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 04:32:55 PM

Marvin Lewis is a no-nonsense kinda guy and wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing.  No way, no how.

That was my first thought too, but they lost Carson Palmer and Chris Henry early. First time in the playoffs for Marv, first time in the playoffs in a while for Cincy, home game. Lots of factors to consider.

Regardless of the circumstances, I say Marvin sits him down if he goes after a coach.

Imagine someone going after one of Big Red's coaches like that... no f'n way Andy lets him keep playing.  Marvin's cut from the same cloth, SD.

I just think it's a bullshtein story.  I can see it if they were shouting at each other but if T.O. Junior laid his hands on another coach... see ya.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on January 10, 2006, 04:48:06 PM
I doubt punches were thrown, but don't doubt an altercation of some sort occurred.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 10, 2006, 05:36:49 PM
Maybe Chad just threw a tantrum and was simply flailing his arms around in general like a 4-year-old.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: bobbyinlondon on January 11, 2006, 06:56:55 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 10, 2006, 04:37:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 10, 2006, 04:32:55 PM

Marvin Lewis is a no-nonsense kinda guy and wouldn't tolerate that kind of thing.  No way, no how.

That was my first thought too, but they lost Carson Palmer and Chris Henry early. First time in the playoffs for Marv, first time in the playoffs in a while for Cincy, home game. Lots of factors to consider.

Regardless of the circumstances, I say Marvin sits him down if he goes after a coach.

Imagine someone going after one of Big Red's coaches like that... no f'n way Andy lets him keep playing.  Marvin's cut from the same cloth, SD.

I just think it's a bullshtein story.  I can see it if they were shouting at each other but if T.O. Junior laid his hands on another coach... see ya.

Lewis HAD TO KEEP HIM on the field, because he didn't activate Kelley Washington for the game, so after Henry went down, they really were out of recievers.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2006, 08:45:09 AM
Chad reportedly held a press conference last night to dispell this rumor. I haven't found a link yet - heard it on the radio.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on January 11, 2006, 08:57:59 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2006, 08:45:09 AM
Chad reportedly held a press conference last night to dispell this rumor. I haven't found a link yet - heard it on the radio.

Was he doing sit-ups or push-ups during it?
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2006, 09:14:54 AM
QuoteMORE CORROBORATION OF JOHNSON FIGHT

As Bengals receiver Chad Johnson continues to deny that he engaged in a locker room brouhaha with receivers coach Hue Jackson and head coach Marvin Lewis, we continue to hear from new sources that the incident Johnson claims didn't happen in fact did.

This one came to us unsolicited (but second hand) from one of the many agents we've gotten to know over the past four-plus years.  Said the source:

"I spoke to a player that I am very close to on the Bengals today and he confirmed the incident you have been reporting.  He said that there was a 'swing' taken in Marvin's direction and that Marvin did nothing about it.  My source also said that he felt like 'kicking Chad's ass' and that Marvin never stands up to Chad.  He said that they allow him to act like a 12-year-old and that it definitely affected their play in the second half."

The problem, of course, is that no one has gone on the record to dispute Johnson's version of the events.  Lewis has been conspicuously silent, as has been Hue Jackson.

But this isn't a game of rock-scissors-paper in which a public denial trumps the truth.  The players understandably are reluctant to discuss the matter publicly, apparently because they believe that any public comment on the issue would not be appreciated by Coach Lewis.

There's also a general belief in locker rooms that, as Herm Edwards a/k/a Jackie Chiles said on Monday, "what stays in my house, stays in my house."

Also, let's consider for a moment the bass-ackward logic that was spawned by the Eephus pitches hoisted in Chad's direction during last night's press conference.

Softball #1:  "Chad, if any of this stuff was true, wouldn't -- wouldn't Coach Lewis based on what we know about him have done something about it during the game?"

Johnson:  "Probably so.  Probably so."

Softball #2:  "Do you think you would have played if you would've took a swung [sic] at him?  Do you think you would have played?"

Johnson:  "He would have sat me down."

But if Marvin Lewis has decided in the middle of the moment, only seconds before it was time to head back to the field and receive the kickoff to start the third quarter, that it was an emotional reaction by an emotional player in very emotional circumstances and that the team, already down Carson Palmer and Chris Henry, couldn't win with Chad Johnson out of action, Lewis would have done precisely what he did. 

Nothing.  Nothing at all.

And let's assume Lewis had benched Johnson for the second half of the franchise's first playoff game in 15 years at a time when the Bengals were clinging to a three-point lead and without their starting quarterback and their No. 3 receiver.  With Kelley Washington inactive, the Bengals would have had three wideouts for the rest of the game -- T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Kevin Walter, and Tab Perry.

The post-game press conference would have been interesting, to say the least.

Hardball #1:  "Coach Lewis, why didn't Chad Johnson play in the second half of the game?"

Lewis:  "Coach's decision.  Next question."

Hardball #2:  "But what could have happened to cause you to bench one of the best receivers in the NFL during crunch time in the team's first playoff game in 15 years?"

Lewis:  "As Herm Edwards might say tomorrow when addressing his exit from the Jets, what stays in my house, stays in my house."

Hardball #3:  "What the hell does that mean?"

Lewis:  "I don't know.  Ask Herm tomorrow.  But I think it means we don't talk about things that happen in the locker room."

Folks, there's no way Lewis would have been able to keep a lid on what had happened, if Johnson had been yanked from the game.  Even if Lewis had refused to explain to the media why Johnson was benched, at least one of the other players would have viewed the benching as tacit approval to talk about what happened.  Johnson, at a minimum, likely would have said that there was a confrontation in the locker room but that the punishment didn't fit the crime.

Bottom line -- Lewis made a snap decision to brush the whole thing under the rug, and everything that has happened since then was a natural consequence of the choice Lewis made.

Including the decision by multiple other players to talk privately about the matter.  It's not an uncommon phenomenon when players believe that there is one set of rules for them, and another set of rules for the photogenic superstar who has the head coach and the media wrapped around his finger. 

Human nature, under such circumstances, spawns resentment -- especially when there's reason to believe that the circumstances ultimately prevented the team from achieving its goal of advancing in the playoffs.

"The special treatment program is a dangerous path," one league insider told us on Wednesday morning.  In this specific case, it's possible that one or more of the players will fink on Chad publicly, turn on Lewis for allowing Johnson to misrepresent what occurred, or want out of Cincinnati.

As we've learned too many times in matters of politics, the cover up is often worse than the crime.  In this case, the cover up is in full gear.  The only thing that remains to be seen is whether one of Johnson's teammates will stand up and expose the truth.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 11, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
Pop Quiz:  Name the best WR in the last decade that isn't a complete headcase.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2006, 10:16:21 AM
Marvin Harrison
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 11, 2006, 10:24:19 AM
Did they ever figure out if he beat his kids or whatever?
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2006, 10:28:25 AM
Nothing ever came of it. It was supposedly that he roughed some kids up in Hawaii when they asked for autographs.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 11, 2006, 10:32:44 AM
In other Bengals news, Carson had successful surgery (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2287897).

This was the most surprising part of the article:
QuoteThe situation became somewhat complex because renowned orthopedics specialist Dr. James Andrews of Birmingham, Ala., who was the first choice to perform the surgery, suffered a heart attack late Sunday.

Whoa.  He's worked on a lot of Eagles.  Hope he's OK.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MURP on January 11, 2006, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
Pop Quiz:  Name the best WR in the last decade that isn't a complete headcase.

Torry Holt
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MURP on January 11, 2006, 10:44:19 AM
could also throw Jimmy Smith or Rod Smith in there I suppose.   
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: rjs246 on January 11, 2006, 10:49:09 AM
Jimmy Smith likes the nose candy. Not sure that qualifies him for headcase status, but you know, it's something.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Father Demon on January 11, 2006, 10:54:36 AM
Quote from: MURP on January 11, 2006, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
Pop Quiz:  Name the best WR in the last decade that isn't a complete headcase.

Torry Holt

Isaac Bruce before his decline last year...

I hear all the time about how great AND classy these two WR's are from my Rams-Fans buddies out here.  Particularly when they are busting on the Original Case, 81....
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Father Demon on January 11, 2006, 10:55:36 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2006, 10:32:44 AM
In other Bengals news, Carson had successful surgery (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2287897).

This was the most surprising part of the article:
QuoteThe situation became somewhat complex because renowned orthopedics specialist Dr. James Andrews of Birmingham, Ala., who was the first choice to perform the surgery, suffered a heart attack late Sunday.

Whoa.  He's worked on a lot of Eagles.  Hope he's OK.

How serious was the heart attack?  Life threatening?  (Ghoulpool waiver-wire activity is only 79 days away   :paranoid )
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MURP on January 11, 2006, 11:00:09 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 11, 2006, 10:49:09 AM
Jimmy Smith likes the nose candy. Not sure that qualifies him for headcase status, but you know, it's something.

ha, forgot about that whole thing.  yeah, scratch him from the list.   :-D
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 11, 2006, 11:04:02 AM
Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison... good choices, I would say.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Syracuse on January 11, 2006, 11:09:57 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 11, 2006, 10:12:59 AM
Pop Quiz:  Name the best WR in the last decade that isn't a complete headcase.

Terrell Owens
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: methdeez on January 11, 2006, 03:31:47 PM
Are you guys morons?
J E R R Y  R I C E
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 03:34:59 PM
You mean the guy who had the unmitigated gaul to ask Steve Largent to unretire his number, so he could wear it?  Yeah, he's not a headcase.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2006, 03:45:38 PM
it must be great to be perfect
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Zanshin on January 11, 2006, 03:48:32 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 03:34:59 PM
You mean the guy who had the unmitigated gaul to ask Steve Largent to unretire his number, so he could wear it? Yeah, he's not a headcase.

Unmitigated gaul, eh?  I didn't know Rice was a dark age Celtic.  Witchcraft, I say!  Burn him!
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 03:54:57 PM
(http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/pretension.jpg)
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Zanshin on January 11, 2006, 03:57:24 PM
lol...feeling a little sensitive today?  Ever think I just like poking fun at the ancient French?  Hmmm?
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 04:06:11 PM
Nah, I was responding to IGY's post before you :-D
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Zanshin on January 11, 2006, 04:09:56 PM
Whew! 
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: methdeez on January 11, 2006, 05:02:59 PM
IGY has a point. Calling someone a headcase becuase they asked to wear thier old number is a bit of a stretch. Especially when the requestee glady agreed.
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Feva on January 11, 2006, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 11, 2006, 05:02:59 PM
IGY has a point. Calling someone a headcase becuase they asked to wear thier old number is a bit of a stretch. Especially when the requestee glady agreed.

So because Wilbur gladly agreed to give up #81, that gives TO a pass?
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 11, 2006, 05:29:35 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 11, 2006, 05:02:59 PM
IGY has a point. Calling someone a headcase becuase they asked to wear thier old number is a bit of a stretch. Especially when the requestee glady agreed.

Bullshtein.  It was disrespectful, arrogant bush league crap.  It was when I gave up on thinking Rice "the good guy".
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: MURP on January 12, 2006, 10:28:52 AM
nobody ever heard of Jerry Rice yelling and having tantrums because he wasnt getting the ball?
Title: Re: Chad Johnson Took A Swing At Marvin Lewis?
Post by: Wingspan on January 12, 2006, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 11, 2006, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: methdeez on January 11, 2006, 05:02:59 PM
IGY has a point. Calling someone a headcase becuase they asked to wear thier old number is a bit of a stretch. Especially when the requestee glady agreed.

So because Wilbur gladly agreed to give up #81, that gives TO a pass?

thats quite a stretch of a conclusion to come to. but sure ;)