http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5214884
QuoteThe same day Eagles vice president of personnel Tom Heckert Jr. was supposed to head to Minnesota for an interview, Philly stepped up for the block.
FOXSports.com has learned that the Eagles signed Heckert to become the team's new general manager Monday. Heckert got a new deal with the promotion and some new duties along with his new job title. The 38-year-old Heckert had served as the team's head of personnel for the past few years and was the Vikings' top choice to head up its personnel department. But after the Vikings asked for permission to interview Heckert on Sunday night, the Birds stepped up in order to convince him to stay.
Minnesota, however, was not left without an Eagles employee flying out to interview. FOXSports.com also learned that offensive coordinator Brad Childress flew to the Twin Cities on Monday afternoon and will be the first interview for Mike Tice's old job.
Childress will also interview in Green Bay and Houston this week and possibly New Orleans.
Heckert is considered one of the bright young football people in the NFL and has been a hot GM candidate the last two years. He joined the Eagles as the club's director of player personnel in May 2001, after a 10-year stint as a member of the Miami Dolphins player personnel department. He was then promoted to a vice-president position and now gets the coveted general manager's title.
So Andy is back to coaching only??
That's what I'm wondering, Ed. Maybe Mr. NCC can enlighten us? :paranoid
I would like to see him be coach only.
PE.com (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=42740)
Quoteworking closely with Reid in all player personnel matters while managing the player personnel department, which includes both college and pro scouting.
hmm
For what it's worth....
http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index.php?showtopic=318489
This is from "SEC627" on the EMB and he posted this before the stuff became public in Spads' forum...
Quotethat Tom Hecket was called back from his trip to MN to meet with Lurie, Banner and Reid. Tom will be the new GM, Andy will coach, both will report to Lurie and Banner is out. Banner will keep his title and deal only with cap issues but no more contracts.
Apparently, there are major issues between Tom and Joe but Andy loves Tom and wanted him to stay. Joe caused problems so he is out. Gold standard have some tarnish on it?
Dave, comments?
QuoteThere is much more to the story. It will be revealed in the coming days.
Basically. Joe will give Tom and Andy a number to work with but Joe will not deal with the agent or the player. Joe had caused some problems with scouts, agents, players, etc and it is time for him to step back away from the football operations.
It is a good thing...
Interesting take on Banner, who has been known to drop the F=Bomb towards agents....
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2006, 08:08:53 PM
That's what I'm wondering, Ed. Maybe Mr. NCC can enlighten us? :paranoid
I would like to see him be coach only.
That seems to be the way it's going.
I guess that whole Banner/Heckert animosity wasn't as big as reported?
looks like the Birds office really do blame themselves for this season, I KNEW IT ALL ALONG.
maybe it's because Andy is only half the man he was last year (with the diet and all) :P ;D
Glad to here Banner will not be nearly as involved with the decisions. It is nice to have cap space but not to do anything with it is crazy.
This is very interesting to say the least, and it brings up a few questions.
The first question is, Eagles fans for a while were very proud and maybe still are proud of having someone in Banner who could structure contacts in such a way that would put the team in great cap situations each year. After finishing 6-11, is this team ready to take the step into the other direction by spending every penny instead of spending extremely carefully and making sure there is plenty of money under the cap? Is Banner definitely not going to be structuring contracts anymore?
The second question is, was this done for any other reason other than to simply retain Heckert and cover it up with insignificant duties, or was this decision in the works before the season ended?
The third is, how if at all does this affect the type of value this team puts at certain positions? This may already have changed because of a 6-11 season anyway, but it's interesting to see if anything changes.
this offseason is going to exciting to say the least, and i think today it started off on the right foot. reid should stick coaching, and i think we have a very capable and talented GM now. banner should continue to crunch #s but its nice to know that if there are any problems in the FO we are working to fix them. as of now, im fully confident we will return to dominance next season, at least dominating the NFC.
Joe had caused some problems with scouts, agents, players
shocking ::)
joe banner is a pompous ahole...someone who got beat up as a child...someone whos parents had to pay older kids to play with him cause kids his age thought he sucked...then he gets older and in a position of power and hes gonna eff as many people as possible as a revenge for the beatdowns he took long ago...he is now in his rightful position...keeping his head in a book of numbers and away from living breathing creatures
Quote from: Philly Forever on January 02, 2006, 09:16:36 PM
This is very interesting to say the least, and it brings up a few questions.
The first question is, Eagles fans for a while were very proud and maybe still are proud of having someone in Banner who could structure contacts in such a way that would put the team in great cap situations each year. After finishing 6-11, is this team ready to take the step into the other direction by spending every penny instead of spending extremely carefully and making sure there is plenty of money under the cap? Is Banner definitely not going to be structuring contracts anymore?
The second question is, was this done for any other reason other than to simply retain Heckert and cover it up with insignificant duties, or was this decision in the works before the season ended?
The third is, how if at all does this affect the type of value this team puts at certain positions? This may already have changed because of a 6-11 season anyway, but it's interesting to see if anything changes.
Eagles were 6-10 :-D
:-D
No idea why I said 6-11. My mistake. I thought I stepped to the bathroom but seems I stepped into the twilight zone.
Sounds like changes were made without any changes made :-D :-D :-D
How long is Banner under contract for? I can't see him taking this demotion and obvious favoritism lightly. I'm glad Heckert was promoted but I wonder how much control Andy will really give up. I think it's just a title and things will stay the same.
PE.com link (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=42740)
QuoteHECKERT NAMED EAGLES' GM
January 2, 2006
By CHRIS McPHERSON
Tom Heckert is not leaving Philadelphia.
Amid reports that Heckert was a top candidate for general manager positions around the league, the Eagles announced Monday night that Heckert has been named the team's general manager.
RB Brian Westbrook is one of Heckert's many top picks
"We're happy to keep someone of Tom's caliber in Philadelphia," said head coach Andy Reid. "Tom has done an excellent job and it was important for this organization to have him continue in this general manager role for the foreseeable future. He's a hard worker and an outstanding evaluator of talent."
Heckert will be entering his sixth season in Philadelphia working closely with Reid in all player personnel matters while managing the player personnel department, which includes both college and pro scouting.
Since his arrival in 2001, the Eagles have acquired 16 starters in 2005 (nine through the draft, six free agents, and one via waivers). His first draft with the Eagles produced three future Pro Bowlers in CB Lito Sheppard, SS Michael Lewis, and RB Brian Westbrook.
Heckert joined the Eagles as the club's director of player personnel on May 21, 2001, after a 10-year stint as a member of the Miami Dolphins player personnel department. Over his 15-year NFL career, his teams won their division seven times and the made the playoffs 11 times, including four postseason appearances in Philadelphia.
QuoteBIG MOVES UNDER TOM HECKERT
Date Transaction
April 20, 2002 The Eagles draft cornerbacks Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown, safety Michael Lewis and running back Brian Westbrook. Sheppard and Lewis were selected to the Pro Bowl and Westbrook and Brown are starters.
June 2, 2002 Eagles sign Artis Hicks as a rookie free agent.
March 4, 2003 Eagles trade for linebacker Mark Simoneau.
April 28, 2003 Eagles sign defensive tackle Sam Rayburn, cornerback Rod Hood and safety Quintin Mikell, all as rookie free agents.
March 3, 2004 Eagles trade 3rd string QB A.J. Feeley to the Miami Dolphins for their second round draft pick in 2005.
March 4, 2004 Eagles sign free agent defensive end Jevon Kearse.
March 8, 2004 Eagles sign free agent linebacker Dhani Jones.
March 16, 2004 Eagles trade for wide receiver Terrell Owens.
July 14, 2004 Eagles sign free agent linebacker Jeremiah Trotter.
November 4, 2004 Eagles give cornerback Sheldon Brown - one of Heckert's picks - an extension.
November 6, 2004 Eagles give Pro Bowl cornerback Lito Sheppard - another one of Heckert's picks - an extension.
April 23, 2005 Eagles draft defensive tackle Mike Patterson and wide receiver Reggie Brown with first two picks.
November 6, 2005 Small-school prospect turned Pro Bowler, Brian Westbrook, signs contract extension.
Can we delete the March 16 transaction :boom
Sounds like Banner will still do the contract structuring but not the negotiating, thats great. Was Banner really ever involved with football decisions from a talent evaluation standpoint? I would doubt it. He is a numbers guy.
I guess he could be somewhat grating.
Reid still retains his titles I imagine.
Slo the real change seems to be that Heckert adds the duty on sitting down and negotiating with agents. That seems like a positive. However, what FA that we ever went after did we not get?
Banner's issue seems to be in player retention. Westbrook being the glaring example here.
In a totally unrelated issue; any chance Ike can get back here next year. He didn't seem to really pan out in Atlanta. I for one would love to see him back.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2006, 08:14:17 PM...who has been known to drop the F=Bomb towards agents....
I didn't know that. How unprofessional.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 02, 2006, 09:29:07 PM
How long is Banner under contract for? I can't see him taking this demotion and obvious favoritism lightly. I'm glad Heckert was promoted but I wonder how much control Andy will really give up. I think it's just a title and things will stay the same.
I really thing this was a step in the right direction for several reasons:
- Heckert could have gone to another team that would have given him broad control on personnel decisions. Why would he stay here for title only?
- Reid trusts him quite a bit. So much so that I believe Reid will be willing to give all of the responsibility to him.
- Banner can go to hell. And Lurie and Reid would really have no problem with it. IMHO Banner screwed himself a bit, not so much to get canned, but enough to have some responsibility removed, and be happy that is all that happened. He'll structure contracts for the good of the team/cap, but have zero interface with the players. That's huge. Him spouting in the media about the TO deal, only added fuel to an inferno, and was unacceptable given his position.
- I think the biggest reason it makes sense, is it sends a message to the team, that the FO is not there to bully them into drinking their Kool-Aid, and will work with them to make things better.
It will be an exciting offseason, Childress will leave, and I think we'll get Mariucci. We'll have a solid draft, and do well in free agency. I don't think they will sign any big name free agents, but will get solid players, and put them in a good position, with a revamped system. The Eagles will be back in a big way next year. :yay
He's got a lifetime buddy contract. He's Lurie's boy.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 02, 2006, 09:56:52 PM
He's got a lifetime buddy contract. He's Lurie's boy.
He can hook you up with your taxes like a motherfarger.
Spads says Reid still has final say in personal ???
Nothing changes...smoke and mirrors :-D
Change produces. Let's hope this takes some pressure off all of the main heads and lets everyone focus better on their jobs. I don't know much about how shtein runs, but I think Reid knows he can be a better coach. Hopefully, this is his chance.
There are A LOT of FO's around the league that have separate numbers crunchers and GMs.
Seattle is one. After they fired Bob Whitsitt last year, they brought back Mike Reinfeldt, who HAD BEEN their cap guy, before Whitsitt fired him, and he negotiated nearly all of Seattle's big FA deals last year. Bob Ferguson was brought in with the title of GM, but Holmgren still makes all of the final football personnel decisions.
Cleveland is another. They have a separate cap guy. In fact, that was what all the trouble recently in the Cleveland front office has been--the president of the club hired someone else to be their cap guy without telling Phil Savage, the GM.
The Jets are another team. Mike Tannenbaum is their cap guy and Terry Bradway is their GM.
Reid and Heckert will get their numbers from Banner and go after the FAs their interested in as well as re-signing their own players. The positive out of this is that Banner won't deal with agents--his sometimes-abrasive attitude, I'm sure turns a lot of agents off.
Guys and gals, I can't see this as anything but positive. The Eagles apparently have looked at themselves and not liked what they saw. The fact that supposedly they blocked this move by the Vikings might mean that they're willing to change their ways a bit, which I said in the middle of the year that's what they had to do--change their philosophy.
Quote from: Westy on January 02, 2006, 10:14:58 PM
Spads says Reid still has final say in personal ???
its still reids team. i dont think its so much reid being demoted as heckert being given more responsibility. another season like this years though and dont be surprised at more drastic changes being made.
im glad.. hopefully this isn't just smoke and mirrors.
Basically, this is what it amounts to...
It makes Heckert more high-profile and probably gave him a nice chunk of change. He already was making all but the final decisions, and there have been very few (none) times when Reid absolutely shoots him down. The two of them working together is good for personnel, and Banner moving in the background is better for everyone.
I'd just like to see:
A successful 2 minute offense
Hurry up snap after a questionable successful Eagles play
A change up in the snap count (some quick snaps)
I would want the line to be set up with 15 seconds left, but it seems they have been getting better at that
Nothing major, just some of the little things.
I wonder how this will affect the draft and free agency. Now that I look back on it, we've been able to get some great grabs in the draft despite going deep into the playoffs in years past. It also helped us retain Brad and Heckert IMO. Maybe we can use the extra month of time evaluating tape of WR's and LB's if we do decide to pick one instead of throwing a dart (Reggie Brown aside).
I hope this is a real move instead like people mentioned before, it just being smoke and mirrors.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on January 03, 2006, 07:20:15 AM
I'd just like to see:
A successful 2 minute offense
Hurry up snap after a questionable successful Eagles play
A change up in the snap count (some quick snaps)
I would want the line to be set up with 15 seconds left, but it seems they have been getting better at that
Nothing major, just some of the little things.
I wonder how this will affect the draft and free agency. Now that I look back on it, we've been able to get some great grabs in the draft despite going deep into the playoffs in years past. It also helped us retain Brad and Heckert IMO. Maybe we can use the extra month of time evaluating tape of WR's and LB's if we do decide to pick one instead of throwing a dart (Reggie Brown aside).
I hope this is a real move instead like people mentioned before, it just being smoke and mirrors.
Again, it's got to be more than that. Heckert just wouldn't walk away from an opportunity like the Vikes were set to give him if the move didn't have a bit more substance to it--the thing is, we may never find out.
We'll have a solid draft, and do well in free agency
link?
from what I gather, the choosing of what actual players they pursue will not change, Heckert will do all the leg work, present the options to Reid and Reid will make the decision. But the difference will be is that Heckert will now negotiate the contracts instead of Banner, which is good from what we're hearing.
you could always tell on TV that Banner would take contract negotiations personally, you can't have that.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 03, 2006, 08:42:08 AM
you could always tell on TV that Banner would take contract negotiations personally, you can't have that.
I'm with you there. That interview with Banner on the sideline on ESPN was brutal. You could see plain as day that he was pissed over the whole WR ordeal.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 03, 2006, 09:10:24 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 03, 2006, 08:42:08 AM
you could always tell on TV that Banner would take contract negotiations personally, you can't have that.
I'm with you there. That interview with Banner on the sideline on ESPN was brutal. You could see plain as day that he was pissed over the whole WR ordeal.
Banner should never, ever, ever, never be allowed to talk to the media. Between his lack of media tact & the fact his physical appearance seems to irk our anti-semitic fans, it's best to keep him in the background.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 02, 2006, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 02, 2006, 09:29:07 PM
How long is Banner under contract for? I can't see him taking this demotion and obvious favoritism lightly. I'm glad Heckert was promoted but I wonder how much control Andy will really give up. I think it's just a title and things will stay the same.
I really thing this was a step in the right direction for several reasons:
- Heckert could have gone to another team that would have given him broad control on personnel decisions. Why would he stay here for title only?
- Reid trusts him quite a bit. So much so that I believe Reid will be willing to give all of the responsibility to him.
- Banner can go to hell. And Lurie and Reid would really have no problem with it. IMHO Banner screwed himself a bit, not so much to get canned, but enough to have some responsibility removed, and be happy that is all that happened. He'll structure contracts for the good of the team/cap, but have zero interface with the players. That's huge. Him spouting in the media about the TO deal, only added fuel to an inferno, and was unacceptable given his position.
- I think the biggest reason it makes sense, is it sends a message to the team, that the FO is not there to bully them into drinking their Kool-Aid, and will work with them to make things better.
It will be an exciting offseason, Childress will leave, and I think we'll get Mariucci. We'll have a solid draft, and do well in free agency. I don't think they will sign any big name free agents, but will get solid players, and put them in a good position, with a revamped system. The Eagles will be back in a big way next year. :yay
From Spew:
QuoteEverything remains status quo.... There was no GM title assigned previously.
Nothings changed.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 02, 2006, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 02, 2006, 09:29:07 PM
How long is Banner under contract for? I can't see him taking this demotion and obvious favoritism lightly. I'm glad Heckert was promoted but I wonder how much control Andy will really give up. I think it's just a title and things will stay the same.
I really thing this was a step in the right direction for several reasons:
- Heckert could have gone to another team that would have given him broad control on personnel decisions. Why would he stay here for title only?
- Reid trusts him quite a bit. So much so that I believe Reid will be willing to give all of the responsibility to him.
- Banner can go to hell. And Lurie and Reid would really have no problem with it. IMHO Banner screwed himself a bit, not so much to get canned, but enough to have some responsibility removed, and be happy that is all that happened. He'll structure contracts for the good of the team/cap, but have zero interface with the players. That's huge. Him spouting in the media about the TO deal, only added fuel to an inferno, and was unacceptable given his position.
- I think the biggest reason it makes sense, is it sends a message to the team, that the FO is not there to bully them into drinking their Kool-Aid, and will work with them to make things better.
It will be an exciting offseason, Childress will leave, and I think we'll get Mariucci. We'll have a solid draft, and do well in free agency. I don't think they will sign any big name free agents, but will get solid players, and put them in a good position, with a revamped system. The Eagles will be back in a big way next year. :yay
From Spew: QuoteEverything remains status quo.... There was no GM title assigned previously.
Nothings changed.
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.
It worked in Seattle when Andy's dad gave up GM title. I think once Reid relys on heckert and focuses more on coaching it will help the team. It takes some pressure off him.
I like the move because if nothing else it helps Reid with player relations.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.
Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.
"If you want me to make dinner, you got let me buy the groceries."
It makes sense for the coach to have final say. But I think if he isn't spending any time looking for the answers, he can focus more on game day preparation. Cause God knows, if the game plan doesn't work, we sure as hell can't adjust it during the game.....
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.
Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.
take nothing of what spads says seriously, ever.
This seems to be a good move...let AR focus on the coaching, and perhaps not being quite so predictable.
Heckert seems like a good guy, Banner can go more in the background...perhaps this is the beginning of some very necessary changes in the offseason.
What the hell are you doing here? ;D
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 03, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
What the hell are you doing here? ;D
I've been lurking here for over a year now. ;)
let AR focus on the coaching
is this really a good thing?
Quote from: timone96 on January 03, 2006, 01:00:45 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 03, 2006, 12:59:37 PM
What the hell are you doing here? ;D
I've been lurking here for over a year now. ;)
Have you been naked the whole time?
;)
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2006, 01:03:51 PM
let AR focus on the coaching
is this really a good thing?
Maybe?
Perhaps he'll be able to figure the whole thing out...you know, the glaring weaknesses we all see every week. I still don't like him playcalling, but you never know, he might be able to figure that one out, too!
I am hungover today. Hung. Over.
:sly
Anyway, as for the topic at hand, it's nice to see Heckert getting a bump in job title and pay. Hopefully this promotion isn't just ceremonial in nature.
When I heard the news, I hoped that AR stepped up to the plate and admitted he needed to make a change starting with #1. But the news makes it sound like he's just throwing Heckert a bone and keeping Banner away from the agents (both good ideas).
My thoughts:
- If the original concept of AR giving up control of personnel to concentrate on coaching was true, I'd say he got it backward. AR is a better GM than an on-the-field coach.
- I don't care if Banner isn't doing the negotiating as long as he still is structuring the contracts. With the 3rd year roster bonus and the "conduct detrimental" clause - and following through on their threats - the Eagles have demonstrated that becoming a free agent via media bullshtein is going to have a cost.
- Since this wasn't a fix-the-Eagles move, but a keep-status-quo move - I don't see anything positive coming out of this. Same ole same ole...
If the original concept of AR giving up control of personnel to concentrate on coaching was true, I'd say he got it backward. AR is a better GM than an on-the-field coach
id love to have someone explain to me how being a gm effects your coaching ability...is mel kipers scouting book inside of reids play chart...like a playboy inside a sports illustrated
the only way i see this making any kind of positive difference is if we hire a new offensive coordinator and actually let him make the play calls
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2006, 01:45:44 PM
If the original concept of AR giving up control of personnel to concentrate on coaching was true, I'd say he got it backward. AR is a better GM than an on-the-field coach
id love to have someone explain to me how being a gm effects your coaching ability...is mel kipers scouting book inside of reids play chart...like a playboy inside a sports illustrated
I didn't mean to imply they were related - simply that if AR wanted to give up half his job to get better at the other half, he should have given up the coaching half.
Quote from: Cerevant on January 03, 2006, 01:54:12 PM
I didn't mean to imply they were related - simply that if AR wanted to give up half his job to get better at the other half, he should have given up the coaching half.
agreed. i think he's done a great job for the most part (minus this year obviously) of putting together a winning group of players. but making them run idiotic plays at the worst times kind of cancels that whole first part out.
If you geniuses got your wish and Andy got canned, who would you replace him with?
I'm fairly certain that Don Shula's still retired and Vince Lombardi is still dead, so that leaves those two dudes out.
::)
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.
Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.
take nothing of what spads says seriously, ever.
He's their PR guy, he talks to the coaches and f/o. Just because his articles are a little unrealistic, that doesn't discredit him from knowing certain things. Do you REALLY think Heckert is now running the Eagles and has control over personell decisions? Sorry, just can't see it.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.
Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.
take nothing of what spads says seriously, ever.
He's their PR guy, he talks to the coaches and f/o. Just because his articles are a little unrealistic, that doesn't discredit him from knowing certain things. Do you REALLY think Heckert is now running the Eagles and has control over personell decisions? Sorry, just can't see it.
right...a PR guy...meaning he cant make any part of the organization at any time seem weak. everything about everyone must have a joyous positive spin.
he is the least objective person on the planet. i really dont care what he says.
i do think Heckert has more control now. he didnt have to resign with the birds. he chose to.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 03, 2006, 02:00:26 PM
If you geniuses got your wish and Andy got canned, who would you replace him with?
I'm fairly certain that Don Shula's still retired and Vince Lombardi is still dead, so that leaves those two dudes out.
::)
Rich Kotitie! :D
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 02:22:27 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 11:36:28 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 10:57:11 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 03, 2006, 10:23:16 AM
Screw that. There is no way Heckert takes the title and no responsibility when he could have gotten the title, the money, and the added responsibility elsewhere. Not buying it.
Believe what you want, but there's your proof. Andy still has the final say on all personell decisions.
take nothing of what spads says seriously, ever.
He's their PR guy, he talks to the coaches and f/o. Just because his articles are a little unrealistic, that doesn't discredit him from knowing certain things. Do you REALLY think Heckert is now running the Eagles and has control over personell decisions? Sorry, just can't see it.
right...a PR guy...meaning he cant make any part of the organization at any time seem weak. everything about everyone must have a joyous positive spin.
he is the least objective person on the planet. i really dont care what he says.
I know it's not cool to stick up for Spadaro in this forum, and yeah, he's certainly a spinner, but he's ripped the Eagles a few times since Sunday.
Whatever, though.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 02:22:27 PM
right...a PR guy...meaning he cant make any part of the organization at any time seem weak. everything about everyone must have a joyous positive spin.
he is the least objective person on the planet. i really dont care what he says.
i do think Heckert has more control now. he didnt have to resign with the birds. he chose to.
Okay, you're right. Heckert suddenly has total control over personell decisions and we have the Vikings to thank for it. :paranoid
Come 'on, AR calls all the shots and that's just the way it is. I think he and Heckert probably have a good working relationship so there's not really much of a power struggle. The GM title is nothing more than that, a title.
i dont hate the guy at all. but PR is PR.
he posts nothing on that website (in the element of news) without it getting a stamp of approval from somewhere else in the organization. which it would be a bad PR move for him to come out and tell us how great the eagles were despite the record. so he'll do his minor handslapping of the team to make it look more real.
the guy serves a purpose, but not as an viable source of news, and especially in analyzing team moves.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 03:02:17 PM
the guy serves a purpose, but not as an viable source of news, and especially in analyzing team moves.
Spew aside, do you really think Heckert is calling the shots now?
I think Joe Banner is calling the shots from his undisclosed location inside a bunker.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 03:05:09 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 03:02:17 PM
the guy serves a purpose, but not as an viable source of news, and especially in analyzing team moves.
Spew aside, do you really think Heckert is calling the shots now?
in a way. yes. i think reid will still have the end say in the matter if he is really for or against someone being brought in. but i would imagine that heckert has more responsibility and accountibility into who he suggests. and maybe in some cases, heckert can bring someone in on his own accord. maybe heckert has made enough solid suggestions to reid to gain his trust in making his own decisions for the eagles?
time will tell.
but i would assume, that if Heckert is who people say he is, he wouldnt have just said OK to the eagles, when he apparently had a chance to run the whole show in minnesota, without gaining some leverage within the eagles.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 03:10:54 PM
but i would assume, that if Heckert is who people say he is, he wouldnt have just said OK to the eagles, when he apparently had a chance to run the whole show in minnesota, without gaining some leverage within the eagles.
Think about this: You've been in Philly for 5 or 6 seasons, have made the playoffs 5 seasons and went to the SB. Minnesota (granted they had a better record than us) -- a freakin joke of an organization -- comes calling and wants you to be their GM. The Eagles then turn to you and say "here, you're now the GM, just stay." Would you stay or go?
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 03:10:54 PM
but i would assume, that if Heckert is who people say he is, he wouldnt have just said OK to the eagles, when he apparently had a chance to run the whole show in minnesota, without gaining some leverage within the eagles.
Of course he got some leverage - that's why he got a promotion and I'm sure a fat little raise. But when the chioce is do what you are doing or take a gamble in a shteinhole organization...it was a no-brainer.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 03:10:54 PM
but i would assume, that if Heckert is who people say he is, he wouldnt have just said OK to the eagles, when he apparently had a chance to run the whole show in minnesota, without gaining some leverage within the eagles.
Think about this: You've been in Philly for 5 or 6 seasons, have made the playoffs 5 seasons and went to the SB. Minnesota (granted they had a better record than us) -- a freakin joke of an organization -- comes calling and wants you to be their GM. The Eagles then turn to you and say "here, you're now the GM, just stay." Would you stay or go?
it depends on how much control i have over the situation. the new minnesota owner is trying to fix things there.
and for heckert to turn down the opportunity to have final say on everything, he had to have been given more than just a new title and a raise from the eagles. logic says he got more control out of it. thats if heckert is a man of character, and not just in it for the money,.
There are other considerations: what if his family loves Philly? I hate the winters in Chicago, and they're way worse in MN.
Apparently, Heckert wouldn't have had as much control as we all thought. This is a blurb for m yesterday's Star Tribune:
Heckert apparently is the top choice among four candidates for a job that likely will carry a vice president's title but fall short of a traditional general manager's role.
http://www.star-tribune.com
Meanwhile, in a story update recently (this morning), Brad Childress is the top candidate to replace Tice. He interviewed in a downtown Minneapolis hotel yesterday and is scheduled to be interivewed in Green Bay today. The Chiefs also apparently are looking at him.
Go, Brad, go!
(http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/GFEDEFGNGDHI/headshot05childress.jpg)
Brad sez:
[Boyz II Men] It's so haaaaaard to say goodbyyyyyyyyyye..... [/Boyz II Men]
Oakland has also contacted Childress.
But anyone who goes to that organization is nuts. Al Davis is a psycho.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2006, 08:22:17 AM
But anyone who goes to that organization is nuts. Al Davis is a psycho.
Sean Payton, who only a few years before was stripped of playcalling duties by Jim Fassel while the OC with the Giants, elected to stay with Parcells in Dallas instead of getting his first NFL HC job with Oakland.
That pretty much says it all.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 04, 2006, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2006, 08:22:17 AM
But anyone who goes to that organization is nuts. Al Davis is a psycho.
Sean Payton, who only a few years before was stripped of playcalling duties by Jim Fassel while the OC with the Giants, elected to stay with Parcells in Dallas instead of getting his first NFL HC job with Oakland.
That pretty much says it all.
Payton is going to be a very good HC someday. He still needs a year or two to develop, but he is going to be a good one.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on January 03, 2006, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 03:10:54 PM
but i would assume, that if Heckert is who people say he is, he wouldnt have just said OK to the eagles, when he apparently had a chance to run the whole show in minnesota, without gaining some leverage within the eagles.
Think about this: You've been in Philly for 5 or 6 seasons, have made the playoffs 5 seasons and went to the SB. Minnesota (granted they had a better record than us) -- a freakin joke of an organization -- comes calling and wants you to be their GM. The Eagles then turn to you and say "here, you're now the GM, just stay." Would you stay or go?
If I stay will there be trouble? If I go, will there be double?
Try getting that song out of your head now, suckers.
Haha, I love the Clash. :yay
Try getting this shank out of your neck.
Sal Pal advocates bringing in outside football operations guy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=paolantonio_sal&id=2279971). I disagree with him, I don't think the team is an echo chamber of poor decision-making.
QuoteRemember: The collapse of the 2005 Eagles has been historic
Sal Pal couldnt be more dramatic if his hair was on fire in that picture. Yeah, some bad moves were made. That doesnt mean that every move from now on will be terrible. Dont years of good personel moves account for anything now? please. If anything, Reid needs help calling some FRICKEN RUN PLAYS.
And the clock. Don't forget the clock. Motherfarger needs to get the goddamned plays into the huddle sometime before 10 seconds left on the play clock. God damn it!
oh and that challenge on sunday (http://www.accboards.com/newboard/images/rotflmao.gif)
QuotePoor Management Decision I: Letting defensive end Derrick Burgess sign with the Oakland Raiders.
The team was high on Burgess, but the guy was practically injured his whole career and got a ridiculous sum of money from Oakland. Wasn't exactly a boneheaded move, no one predicted he would be the league leader.
QuotePoor Management Decision II: Bringing in Mike McMahon to back up McNabb.
Sounds like a reason for outside guys like Marty to NOT join the team's staff.
QuotePoor Management Decision III: Releasing defensive tackle Corey Simon.
Simon still wasn't worth what he was asking for.
QuotePoor Management Decision IV: Allowing Terrell Owens to poison the season.
There was no good decision to be made about TO. It was lose-lose from the second he hired Rosenhaus.
Of course management mistakes have been made, but I don't see evidence of any historic collapse in those examples Sal Pal gives.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 04, 2006, 02:31:59 PM
And the clock. Don't forget the clock. Motherfarger needs to get the goddamned plays into the huddle sometime before 10 seconds left on the play clock. God damn it!
Amen. The pathetic clock stupidity demonstrated by both Reid and McNabb on countless occasions needs to go away. They should think up every possible clock scenario and practice the hell out of all of them. Practice the playing, practice the coaching. That shtein should be second nature before they take one damn snap next year.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 04, 2006, 02:37:16 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on January 04, 2006, 02:31:59 PM
And the clock. Don't forget the clock. Motherfarger needs to get the goddamned plays into the huddle sometime before 10 seconds left on the play clock. God damn it!
Amen. The pathetic clock stupidity demonstrated by both Reid and McNabb on countless occasions needs to go away. They should think up every possible clock scenario and practice the hell out of all of them. Practice the playing, practice the coaching. That shtein should be second nature before they take one damn snap next year.
As I asked in another thread...
Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2006, 11:42:39 AM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 04, 2006, 10:03:27 AM
#4 The clock management at the end of the 1st half by PSU was sweet, great job by the staff being aware of their situation.
If a 79 year old coach and a bunch of college kids can pull off a 2 minute drill, why can't the Eagles?
true true... the clock management has been an issue since day 1. I remember back in '99 chalking it up to a rookie head coach. ha.
Hopefully with Childress leaving and Morningwood being shunned Reid won't play telephone with the calls anymore.
historic?
1989 - Denver Broncos lose Superbowl
1990 - 5-11
1998 - Atlanta Falcons lose superbowl
1999 - 5-11
1998 - Denver Broncos won 2nd superbowl
1999 - 6-10
2002 - Oakland Raiders lose superbowl
2003 - 4-12
yeah it's absolutely historic...fargnut
Thank you.
Historically above average!
from 1st place in the division to last place in the division.
from 6-0 in divisional games to 0-6 in divisional games...the worst divisional record in team history.
yes, it was a historic collapse...admit it.
Who cares if it was historic or not? It sucked hard either way.