From Spadaro's post-game column:
QuoteReggie Brown has a chance to be special. He finished his rookie season with 43 catches for 571 yards (13.3-yard average) and four touchdowns. He should only get better. "I can't tell you how much of a difference there is between your first year in the league and your second," said former Eagles star Mike Quick. "You learn all about the game, about how a defender is going to play you. I don't see any weaknesses in Reggie. He had a phenomenal year for a rookie. I think he will be a No. 1 receiver."
I know this season has been a real downer but I've been a big Reggie-supporter since day 1. He showed flashes all year and deserves every bit of praise that's being directed his way at this point.
Nice game from him today and congrats on a very good rookie season. I can't wait to see what he'll accomplish with a legitimate NFL quarterback throwing to him next year.
:yay
Greggie showed flashes last year too. Let's wait and see what he does next year.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 01, 2006, 09:14:36 PM
Greggie showed flashes last year too. Let's wait and see what he does next year.
Lewis did it as the #3 though, with an offense full of weapons. Reggie is doing it with
That's either the most clever thing you've done or an unfinished post.
Clever. I thought youd like it.
spads is just trying to sell brown to the fanbase since the eagles won't go after an established #1 this offseason.
i'm sure of it!
I'm sure that's part of it, but I've been impressed with Reggie's performance this year...the kid seemed to get better every game, despite the fact that the QBs throwing him the ball blew.
I still think they need to sign a good (maybe not great) FA WR, like a Keenan McCardell, before next season.
REGGIE WAYNE!
god forbid they have more than 1 WR on the roster at a time that can make plays.
Yeah...
Reggie may be a top flight receiver down the road, but he will just be in his second year next season. As good as he looks, this team needs to bring in a number one guy so they can feed off each other. The more weapons the better.
I have a bad feeling the team won't want Moulds after TO. Even though Moulds is nothing like TO, and TO is one of a kind in his insanity. It would be a damn shame if a player like that got cut loose and wouldn't get looked at, unless of course the Eagles find someone else better.
It is a little too early to tell but Brown certainly looks like he has all the tools. Those numbers are very solid for a rookie WR. They still need to add some players at the position.
Some WRs take a few years to round into form but Brown looked pretty decent for a to me for a rookie, especially for a 2nd round pick.
It's not as though there are tons of #1 receivers floating around in FA every year, unless you want an older guy like someone else in the divison has. It's good that he Brown got some valuable experience in a down year for you. He'll be better when he's truly needed to be.
He'll be alright, but McNabb still needs other weapons. Greggie, an injured Pinkston, McMullen, and McCants aren't going to cut it out there. These guys would have been more than adequate with a sane TO out there, but he's long gone.
Quote from: EJ72 on January 02, 2006, 02:15:51 AM
Some WRs take a few years to round into form but Brown looked pretty decent to me for a rookie, especially for a 2nd round pick.
It's not as though there are tons of #1 receivers floating around in FA every year, unless you want an older guy like someone else in the divison has. It's good that he Brown got some valuable experience in a down year for you. He'll be better when he's truly needed to be.
Quote from: MURP on January 02, 2006, 12:07:30 AM
god forbid they have more than 1 WR on the roster at a time that can make plays.
Dear Lord, Murp... you read my mind.
If you don't have that top notch WR (which we don't anymore) you HAVE TO have more than 1 quality WR in your corps. It's amazing to me that in an offense that passes the ball as much as we do... it's consistently one of the weakest positions on the team.
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 02, 2006, 06:00:26 AM
Quote from: MURP on January 02, 2006, 12:07:30 AM
god forbid they have more than 1 WR on the roster at a time that can make plays.
Dear Lord, Murp... you read my mind.
If you don't have that top notch WR (which we don't anymore) you HAVE TO have more than 1 quality WR in your corps. It's amazing to me that in an offense that passes the ball as much as we do... it's consistently one of the weakest positions on the team.
Wouldn't Westbrook qualify as a de facto #1 receiver?
I'll put even odds on this - we won't pick up a big name WR in free agency. It'll be a McCants guy if anything.
I don't think they'll sign a "star" WR in the off-season, either...there really aren't many out there, unless you want to take a chance on an older guy who has had recent problems with management (Moulds), or take a second-bannana who put up big numbers opposite a stud, like Reggie Wayne. The Eagles will not trade high draft picks for a veteran WR, they guard them like they're children.
Personally, I'd go after Moulds if he was available, but I think someone will offer him more money than the Eagles will think he's worth. Wayne is an interesting thought, but he could be the next Alvin Harper or Peerless Price, and the dearth of FA WRs this year will definitely drive his price way above reasonable.
No, I'm saying even if a TO/Harrison kind of player were out there, our starters next season would still be Brown and ToothPink/Lewis/McMullen.
You may well be right...the talk coming out of beat reporters has mostly been focused on improving the lines for next season, which isn't a bad idea. That might indicate a tendency to not focus on other positions which they feel are of lesser need, like WR and LB.
They definitely need to improve this defense...their performance this season was abysmal, and they don't have quite the injury toll of the offense to lean on for an excuse. I think the defensive side is where the majority of their money should be spent, moreso than a WR with a name.
Jones & Adams were horrible this year. Kearse was mediocre at best and as much as everyone likes to slobber over Trent Cole in these parts, he didn't do much the last month of the season. The defensive tackles didn't get any pressure on the quarterback all year either.
So in that regard, they're right about those positions being higher priorities in terms of upgrading in the offseason.
Brown played well but the rest of the WR squad was pretty lousy, especially Lewis. He really disappointed this year. He's proven himself to be a #3 or #4 at best.
Personally, I'd love to see Moulds wearing midnight green but if history is any barometer, I doubt it's going to happen. Reid for whatever reason honestly sees his receivers as being competent enough to get the job done. Then again, he also sees Reno Mahe as a legitimate NFL player, so...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 02, 2006, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 02, 2006, 06:00:26 AM
Quote from: MURP on January 02, 2006, 12:07:30 AM
god forbid they have more than 1 WR on the roster at a time that can make plays.
Dear Lord, Murp... you read my mind.
If you don't have that top notch WR (which we don't anymore) you HAVE TO have more than 1 quality WR in your corps. It's amazing to me that in an offense that passes the ball as much as we do... it's consistently one of the weakest positions on the team.
Wouldn't Westbrook qualify as a de facto #1 receiver?
Do me a favor and practice your Russian somewhere else. ;D
Yeah, I know Westbrook catches more balls than Vanessa Del Rio these days, but I'm talking someone to mentor Reggie and keep that #1 CB off him for a while while he develops.
Can Reggie catch McNabbs missiles?
This is what scares me. Andy is in love with Pinkston, but even he knows Pinkston is not a slot reciever. Brown was fantastic this year, so he really deserves a starting spot. We all know we still need another playmaker at WR, maybe Moulds or Walker or even Wayne (doubt they get into a bidding war, but you never know). The easy solution is to say goodbye to Pinkston and find someone else to become the slot reciever. But I don't think Andy will kick his boy to the curb like that. So that means either Reggie at the slot or simply not upgrading the WR position and returning the offense to the dink and dunk days of no TO.
I am all for another veteran receiver, especially if Reid is going to continue the passing offense. Now what I would like to see is a three-headed monster type thing with our smaller than average running backs. The run game has shown flashes of success this year. It takes pressure off McNabb and wears down defenses. COME ON ANDY...GIVE ALITTLE LOVE TO THE RUN GAME!
I think Brown can handle the #1 job next year. He's not TO and probably never will be, but he still has a ton of potential. Get a vet #2/#3-type guy (Randle El is my preference, but Wayne or Jurevicius would also work) and fill out the WR ranks with Pinky, Lewis, and McCants (who really impressed me the last 2-3 games this year).
I like Randel El---not only as a consistent receiver, but he can return kicks/punts and also has a hell of an arm. Hes a triple threat!
From watching the Steelers on TV sometimes, I came to the conclusion the problem with Randle El is he isn't consistent.
He also doesn't have very good hands.
id have no problem with an offense that doesnt have a number one guy....but if you go with that you must have a running game to go along with it...and reid wont do that...if you pass 70% of the time you better have GREAT receivers
I also think highly of Reggie Brown. But like others have said...we need more than just Brown and PInkston at WR.
If what Reuben Frank said is correct and Lewis is gone then I would guess that they are going to get someone else.
Get Moulds, Andy.
Moulds
Brown
Pinkston
I want Moulds too, but I hope Andy doesn't stay away from all players who have had minor problems now.
Andy can't make the mistake thinking Moulds is another TO. TO is one of a kind. No one is as crazy as he is, so I hope he doesn't stay away from all players that have a little bit of questionable attitudes. I haven't heard of any problems with Moulds besides the one this year.
im also in the get moulds ship. sure he is a lil older but guys like jimmy smith, rod smith, and keenan have been playing damn well for thier ages. moulds problem wasnt money, it was the losing getting to him. bring him in here and i think we have more than adequate WRs with him and Brown starting and then Pinkston. we have a solid TE, and we have 2 RBs in Westbrook and Moats and we just need a back who can get that 1 yd (maybe gordon, if not someone), and i think our offense is set to go. it might not be as explosive as it was with TO but it might be more balanced with more running.
its our defense that im really worried about, we didnt suffer many injuries and we just stunk it up al yr long. i know we need an upgrade at LB (ARRINGTON!), our 2ndary i hope was just having a down yr, but for once i would like to have a Dline that doesnt require a blitz to get pressure. and even our blitzes this yr seemed to be neutralized.
oh yeah btw how about if we get moulds and peerless price and reunit the duo which was pretty productive in buffalo?
I don't think a top WR is a top prioroity, because we won with okay WR's before and we can do it again. And Reggie Brown is much more talented then James Thrash. I'd like Moulds, but if not, then fine....I like having Reggie as the #1, Pinkston doing his run down the field and catch bombs thing, and then Greg Lewis being the much more effective WR he is at the #3. Or let him and McMullen compete for it, because Billy Mac showed a lot this year. I think he bought new hands off E-Bay.
Pinkston should not be counted on until he shows he can still run down the field and catch 20 passes a year. Even then, he still sucks.
bill mac showed a lot this yr? u mean a whole lot of nothing. i want moulds or someone else, a veteran, brought in.
mcmulllen on the roster next year would be almost as agregious as mahe this year
If McMullen showed anything this year, he showed that he truly does suck. Before Eagles fans could only go by very small glimpses and camp. This year he finally got the playing time and showed he sucked. Dropped balls a plenty.
I hate the whole "We won with mediocre WR's before" argument. Yeah, we did... but the whole time we were hoping that McNabb had someone to throw to and that he didn't have to carry everyone on his shoulders. What's wrong with surrounding the man with something other than weak ass WR's that can help carry the load as well. I'm not saying let's go get Randy Moss... but there's a whole lot of gray area between someone like him and someone like Pinky.
Chris Rock said something like, "A woman can raise her kids with no father all by herself. That don't mean it's a good idea!"
If a child grows up calling his grandma "Mommy" and his mother "Pam," he's goin' to jail!
:-D
I love that routine. :yay
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on January 02, 2006, 08:16:23 PM
I don't think a top WR is a top prioroity, because we won with okay WR's before and we can do it again
what exactly did they win? a Super Bowl? no.
actually, i think McMullen won a chance to compete for a spot next season. i dont think he'll ever start, but i think he can be a good #3/4 guy.
i know it's cool for eagles fans to once hate, always hate. but McMullen has stepped up this season. he's not a star...or a starter by any means. but coming off the bench, he can be effective.
and Brown will be a #1. i have no doubt about that. he's shown more than any other recieve not named owens on the birds roster.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 09:52:10 AM
and Brown will be a #1. i have no doubt about that.
No doubt about that? OK, bro. I wish I could feel the same way.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 03, 2006, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 09:52:10 AM
and Brown will be a #1. i have no doubt about that.
No doubt about that? OK, bro. I wish I could feel the same way.
i'm sorry you dont. but yes, no doubt.
i like his ability, i like his work ethic, and he attitude, and his production in a limited role this season. does it mean i dont want another WR? no. but Brown will be the go to guy by the end of next season if he continues to do what he is doing now.
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 09:58:02 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 03, 2006, 09:53:07 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on January 03, 2006, 09:52:10 AM
and Brown will be a #1. i have no doubt about that.
No doubt about that? OK, bro. I wish I could feel the same way.
i'm sorry you dont. but yes, no doubt.
i like his ability, i like his work ethic, and he attitude, and his production in a limited role this season. does it mean i dont want another WR? no. but Brown will be the go to guy by the end of next season if he continues to do what he is doing now.
I dunno about
no doubt. Who's rookie record did he break again for catches and yards, again? ;)
For what it's worth. Here are all the WRs from this years draft taken before Reggie (in order), and how they all stack up. All stats taken from CBS Sportsline:
WR REC YARDS TD
Braylon Edwards: 32 512 3
Troy Williamson 24 372 2
Mike Williams 29 350 1
Matt Jones 36 432 5
Mark Clayton 44 471 2
Roddy White 29 446 3
Reggie Brown 43 571 4
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 03, 2006, 08:44:37 AM
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on January 02, 2006, 08:16:23 PM
I don't think a top WR is a top prioroity, because we won with okay WR's before and we can do it again
what exactly did they win? a Super Bowl? no.
Not to mention the NFC sucked then, too.
Reggie Brown was one of the diamonds among the shtein this year. I think he will become a very good player and be our #1 WR. Not next year but in 2007 he will be a #1 WR.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2006, 06:59:33 PM
Reggie Brown was one of the diamonds among the shtein this year. I think he will become a very good player and be our #1 WR. Not next year but in 2007 he will be a #1 WR.
:yay :yay
thanks for those stats PhillyPhaninDC
Sooo....we won a Super Bowl with a star reciever?
Oops. No.
I think Ok WR's, with heavy use of an athletic TE and a RB who LB's can't cover (two things we didn't really have and/or use back when Thrash was our #1...Chad Lewis and Duce were good, but definately not the athlete's that Westy and LJ are, or have the same speed), and also running with Westbrook/Moats/??? would be just fine for the offense in the "improved" NFC.
If We can get someone like Moulds, fine, I'd like it. But I'd much rather see them improve on the lines, the LB's, maybe a better FB.
And anyone who says BillyMac didn't show you SOMETHNIG good is crazy. Yeah he had a few dropped balls, but so did everyone's hero Greg Lewis. Even Reggie had some drops. But McMullen made a bunch of good/great catches this year too, using his hands instead of his body. Something he didn't do his first couple of years. I don't htink he can be/will be a starter either, but let him compete with Greg Lewis for the #3 spot. If he doesn't win, fine, he'll be a good small role player in the #4 spot. Unless the Eagles sign someone like Moulds, I think it'll be #1. Reggie Brown, #2 Todd Pinkston (assuming he's still as fast as he was, because even I admit he's useless if he can't run down the field and catch the deep ball), #3 Greg Lewis, #4 Billy Mac.
DC,
Good info! Considering all those other WR's were touted as #1's which I believe all ended up being, Brown's numbers are very, very impressive.
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on January 04, 2006, 01:11:15 AM
Sooo....we won a Super Bowl with a star reciever?
Oops. No.
I think Ok WR's, with heavy use of an athletic TE and a RB who LB's can't cover (two things we didn't really have and/or use back when Thrash was our #1...Chad Lewis and Duce were good, but definately not the athlete's that Westy and LJ are, or have the same speed), and also running with Westbrook/Moats/??? would be just fine for the offense in the "improved" NFC.
That'd be nice... if that was the offense we currently run. The thing is, we throw the ball so much... it's assinine not to have some quality guys in a position you rely so heavily on. Yeah, LJ catches balls here and there and contributes... but with the way that the Eagles throw downfield now... you've got to have some guys that can make plays with some kind of consistency. We simply don't have that at WR.
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on January 04, 2006, 01:11:15 AMIf We can get someone like Moulds, fine, I'd like it. But I'd much rather see them improve on the lines, the LB's, maybe a better FB.
With their extra draft picks and their cap situation, the Eagles are in a position to easily do all of the above. It's not like it's a situation that they have to choose one or the other.
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on January 04, 2006, 01:11:15 AMAnd anyone who says BillyMac didn't show you SOMETHNIG good is crazy. Yeah he had a few dropped balls, but so did everyone's hero Greg Lewis. Even Reggie had some drops.
So it's OK that we have an inconsistent WR in McMullen, because we've got
another one in Lewis? That just shows me what kind of help we need at WR. Yeah, Reggie's had some drops, but he's also a rookie who's caught for more yards on 5 less catches than Lewis, who's been starting the whole year, and doubled the TD total by Lewis and McMullen, COMBINED. (4 to 2)
Quote from: SimonPinkston9087 on January 04, 2006, 01:11:15 AMBut McMullen made a bunch of good/great catches this year too, using his hands instead of his body. Something he didn't do his first couple of years. I don't htink he can be/will be a starter either, but let him compete with Greg Lewis for the #3 spot. If he doesn't win, fine, he'll be a good small role player in the #4 spot. Unless the Eagles sign someone like Moulds, I think it'll be #1. Reggie Brown, #2 Todd Pinkston (assuming he's still as fast as he was, because even I admit he's useless if he can't run down the field and catch the deep ball), #3 Greg Lewis, #4 Billy Mac.
Too many questions there for me. Sounds like we're just smelling a bunch of asses and trying to figure out which one stinks the least. McMullen's shown me that he's too inconsistent to do anything more than take 5-8 snaps a game and hopefully make a catch or two. Greg's shown that he just doesn't have the ability to be more than a #3... I'm not one to label him soft like a lot of others have because of that INT against Seattle, but I didn't like what I saw there either. Pinkston, even healthy... is a picture of inconsistency... but now, we have no idea how he's going to recover from this achilles injury. I just read from the main site that he says that he's not even sure he'll be ready by the post draft mini-camp. That's too long to wait and see for an unknown at a position of need.
Not addressing WR this offseason is a mistake. Plain and simple. I'm not saying they need a complete overhaul... but a vet to kind of even things out. I'm more than happy with Brown at this point, but I don't think he's ready to get it done at the level we need him to without some help yet.
Moulds or Randle-El or someone of that caliber
Brown
Lewis
Pinky
McMullen
McCants/Jenkins/Ford
= I'm happy.
McMullen made a bunch of good/great catches this year too, using his hands instead of his body. Something he didn't do his first couple of years. I don't htink he can be/will be a starter either, but let him compete with Greg Lewis for the #3 spot
no...no...and NO!
Billy McMullen has been stealing paychecks for 3 years now.
Expect him to keep doing so. We won't sign a FA receiver. I'm sure of it.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 04, 2006, 09:35:10 AM
Expect him to keep doing so. We won't sign a FA receiver. I'm sure of it.
Between you being "sure of" the Eagles not signing any FA receiver and Wingspan having "no doubt" that Reggie Brown will be a stud #1 receiver, we sure have our share of psychics/geniuses around.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 04, 2006, 09:35:10 AM
Expect him to keep doing so. We won't sign a FA receiver. I'm sure of it.
::)
An idiotic comment like that deserves the same in return.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 04, 2006, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 04, 2006, 09:35:10 AM
Expect him to keep doing so. We won't sign a FA receiver. I'm sure of it.
::)
Congratulations MMH - you got the first official eye-roll of the year.
Congratulations MMH - you got the first official eye-roll of the year.
yeah but i got the first icehole
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 04, 2006, 10:13:37 AM
Congratulations MMH - you got the first official eye-roll of the year.
yeah but i got the first icehole
that was the lock of the year
I'm seeing a lot of Randle-El love going on around various message boards. When did he become a #1 WR? Other than being valuable as a return man & providing some depth to the WR corp, why do many consider him that elite WR that they need?
Quote from: Beermonkey on January 04, 2006, 10:21:36 AM
I'm seeing a lot of Randle-El love going on around various message boards. When did he become a #1 WR? Other than being valuable as a return man & providing some depth to the WR corp, why do many consider him that elite WR that they need?
because many have no idea what they are talking about as usual.
i've been saying they don't need an "elite" reciever. they just need to upgrade to 3 competent receivers. when they had Thrash, Mitchell, and Pinkston they didn't have 3 competent recievers, that group wasn't good enough. but if you add a Randel-El, Wayne, or Moulds, you will have a group of Brown, FA, Pinkston, GLew. That group will be good enough to win, assuming the defense is playing back up to an acceptable level and Donovan is healthy.
i dont know what makes people think randel-el would be so much of an upgrade. he really hasnt been anything more than average nfl player.
An average NFL player would constitute an upgrade in my view..
Quote from: Diomedes on January 04, 2006, 11:22:24 AM
An average NFL player would constitute an upgrade in my view..
over mcmullen and maybe lewis....but i contend that randel-el is not an upgrade over brown or pinktson.
why sign him to play off the bench if the goal is to obtain a WR to start opposite brown? which should be the goal. setting their sights on Wayne, or the very outside shot of moulds, and then signing randel-el instead would be a great letdown.
that being said, pinkston coming back 100% in 2006 is a longshot look at the history of players with his injury. getting randel-el to replace pinkston as a starter would be a downgrade.
it depends what you pay Randel-El, i see him as a slot reciever/punt returner. so, if it's your belief that Pinkston won't be back, you need to sign someone along with Randel-El. i agree that they shouldn't bring Randel-El in as the guy to go opposite Brown, that should be either a healthy pinkston or a FA like Wayne or Moulds
randel el>pre TO pinkston
Quote from: Cerevant on January 04, 2006, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on January 04, 2006, 10:04:45 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 04, 2006, 09:35:10 AM
Expect him to keep doing so. We won't sign a FA receiver. I'm sure of it.
::)
Congratulations MMH - you got the first official eye-roll of the year.
All right, I can add that to my Suicide League Championship. ;D
it wont break the bank to get the WR crew to look better.
1. Moulds
2. Brown
3. Randle El
4. G. Lewis
5. draft pick
that looks much better than
1. Brown
2. Pinkston
3. G. Lewis
4. McMullen
5. Na Brown
shtein, if Reid wants to pass 70% of the time he might as well put some effort into obtaining decent WR's. I just dont think Pink will be the same after this injury. I see a Buckhalter/Grasmanis situation there.
I don't want Moulds and Randle-El.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 04, 2006, 04:55:22 PM
I don't want Moulds and Randle-El.
ur right we need moulds and pearless price!
I think Moulds would be just fine. Just don't shove Reggie in as a #1 just yet. Give him a year or two to develop.
I love how everyone's been screaming for McMullen to show them something, and then he does, and everyyone hates him more now then they did. I'm not saying start him. I'm saying keep him in the #4 spot, maaaybe let him compete with GLew for the #3 spot. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying start him and vote him to the Pro Bowl here. I think he's a more then fine #4 WR.
I don't think WR is or should be top priority this off-season.....LB's and both lines need a lot more help IMO. Then we definately need to upgrade at FB if we want to have any success running the ball (when we do run it).
Lj doesn't just catch balls here or there....he was leading TE's in catches before McNabb's injury.....Him and Westbrook creating mismatches that Duce and Chad Lewis did NOT create is what will make the current set of WR's fine in the "improved" NFC. If Pinkston isn't going to be back 100%, then they do need to sign and/or draft someone. Otherwise, they can and will win with the WR's they have.
Let's go with the assumption that Pinky isn't going to be healthy. The idea of betting an entire season on hims is, frankly, terrifying.
Quote from: mhunt on January 05, 2006, 08:36:14 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 04, 2006, 04:55:22 PM
I don't want Moulds and Randle-El.
why not?
Because plugging two new receivers into the offense at once greatly reduces the likelihood that Donovan would be able to build a repoire with both of them. I'd rather the Eagles add one key piece to the passing offense.
Plus, the last thing we need is more excuses not to create a running game. I'd much rather the Eagles add a WR and a bigger, change-of-pace RB than two WR's.
a bigger, change-of-pace RB
how friggin good would lendale white look in an eagle uniform
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
how friggin good would lendale white look in an eagle uniform
Yes, please. LenDale White as an NFL RB >>>>> Santonio Holmes as an NFL WR
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2006, 08:42:00 AM
a bigger, change-of-pace RB
how friggin good would lendale white look in an eagle uniform
i was saying that last night. i don't hold the last 4th down against him, that's on the USC OC
LenDale White as an NFL RB >>>>> Santonio Holmes as an NFL WR
word
Is there any real chance he'd be available at 14 after that performance, or would the Birds need to trade up?
before last night i saw him mostly listed as a mid to late first rounder
but this is all fantasy, no way the Eagles take a RB in the 1st round
Probably true with Westbrook being re-signed.
it would have nothing to do with westbrook...white would be come their big back they need...that however isnt their biggest need...therefore they probably wont take him...i personally wouldnt be against it tho
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 05, 2006, 09:27:37 AM
but this is all fantasy, no way the Eagles take a RB in the 1st round
I still think there is a
slight chance White might be on the board when the Eagles pick. He was projected by most to be a late pick in the first round before last night. If he was the there, and the Eagles passed, I would be disappointed, but not outraged
only if they took a stud LB or DT that may have slipped. Having White would be awesome, but it doesn't make much sense to be honest. Wherever White goes, he'll most likely be the number one guy, and with the Eagles just giving Westy a nice extension and Moats showing alot big play potential, I don't see them bringing him in. Having White and his price tag only to see him get 15 touches a game doesn't make much sense.
Seems to me if White were still on the board at that point, there's a chance he'd be the "best available player".
And I know he'd be the change of pace back, IGY, I just can't see them ponying up 1st round money for a back after paying Westbrook.
While id love to have Lendale White on the Eagles, I think that there are bigger needs right now on the team.... considering the way Reid runs the offense.
Quote from: MURP on January 05, 2006, 10:43:31 AM
While id love to have Lendale White on the Eagles, I think that there are bigger needs right now on the team.... considering the way Reid runs the offense.
Pun intended?
no, but ill take it.
QuoteQ: Do you think you can be the No. 1 guy next season?
A: "Yes I do, I think that's what they drafted me for."
Q: Do you want that role?
A: "No, I'd rather sit on the bench and hand out water (laughs)."
Quality.
full Q & A with Reggie (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=42886)
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 06, 2006, 08:43:21 AM
QuoteQ: Do you think you can be the No. 1 guy next season?
A: "Yes I do, I think that's what they drafted me for."
Q: Do you want that role?
A: "No, I'd rather sit on the bench and hand out water (laughs)."
Quality.
full Q & A with Reggie (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=42886)
That would make Mahe totally useless.
Mahe isn't going to take this lying down. He's going to take it on his knees.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 06, 2006, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 06, 2006, 08:43:21 AM
QuoteQ: Do you think you can be the No. 1 guy next season?
A: "Yes I do, I think that's what they drafted me for."
Q: Do you want that role?
A: "No, I'd rather sit on the bench and hand out water (laughs)."
Quality.
full Q & A with Reggie (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=42886)
That would make Mahe totally useless.
I'm liking Reggie more and more. :yay
Like you've got a choice.
I don't have a choice?
How do you know he didn't kick the hell outta my puppy when we were little or something?
What are you gonna do, like our best reciever less and less? Start liking McMullen more and more? Right.
You got no choice. Reggie it is. Love him up, Feva!
Quote from: Diomedes on January 06, 2006, 05:02:28 PM
What are you gonna do, like our best receiver less and less? Start liking McMullen more an more?
Someone's got a short memory...
What did you say?
Quote from: Diomedes on January 06, 2006, 05:02:28 PM
You got no choice. Reggie it is. Love him up, Feva!
Yeah, OK.... I didn't like that dog that much anyway. I kicked him myself more than a few times.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 06, 2006, 05:02:28 PM
What are you gonna do, like our best reciever less and less? Start liking McMullen more and more? Right.
You got no choice. Reggie it is. Love him up, Feva!
we get that with a lot of the top teir birds. might as well break reggie in
Quote from: Diomedes on January 06, 2006, 05:03:51 PM
What did you say?
Eagles fans would never turn on their best receiver and extol the merits of a fourth stringer. Never!
What did you say?
I don't recall.
(http://www.blazinbeauties.com/images5/alba_beach/alba_beach_2_small.jpg)
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 05, 2006, 08:39:18 AM
Quote from: mhunt on January 05, 2006, 08:36:14 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 04, 2006, 04:55:22 PM
I don't want Moulds and Randle-El.
why not?
Because plugging two new receivers into the offense at once greatly reduces the likelihood that Donovan would be able to build a repoire with both of them. I'd rather the Eagles add one key piece to the passing offense.
Plus, the last thing we need is more excuses not to create a running game. I'd much rather the Eagles add a WR and a bigger, change-of-pace RB than two WR's.
they won't use the running game...what makes anyone think andy reid will change?
if they're gonna pass 70% of the time...which they are...shouldn't they have good wr's?
They won't pass 70% of the time next year.
It'll be a 60/40 mix again.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2006, 10:55:53 AM
They won't pass 70% of the time next year.
It'll be a 60/40 mix again.
Sounds like Wilburs catch stats...60% of the time he has a 40% chance of catching a ball that hits him in the hands :-D :-D
FYI - Here's the run pass ratio each year under Andy Reid:
2005
64.5%
35.5% rush
2004
60.8% pass
39.2% rush
2003
55.8% pass
44.2% rush
2002
54.4% pass
45.6% rush
2001
57.7% pass
42.3% rush
2000
61.0% pass
39.0% rush
1999
55.2% pass
44.8% rush
Total
58.5% pass
41.5% rush
I haven't seen too much on the average league pass/run ratio, although I did see that in 2002 the NFL average was about 56.7% pass and 42.3% rush, so the Eagles were more balanced than the average team that year.
So the Eagles under Reid really only were way out of whack this year and that is in large part to the defense giving up big leads early and the Eagles needing to throw it to try and get back in the game. And even including this year, Reid's total ratio is more balanced than the 60/40 goal.
In the other two seasons were they threw at a rate greater than 58% percent, one year was last year when they had TO and Reid was having fun chucking the ball around and rolling up big points. The other year was 2000 when Duce got hurt and they had the Darnell Autry/Amp Lee/Chris Warren/Stanley Pritchett mess at running back.
reid runs a pass first offense...can we agree on that? ;D
Quote from: mhunt on January 08, 2006, 12:15:21 PM
reid runs a pass first offense...can we agree on that? ;D
According To Mike Quick - "Yes."
One name I haven't heard being tossed around much on this board is Brandon Lloyd. The dude has skills, and he really was the only highlight on the shtein team this year. I kind of like him over Moulds because A) he'll come cheaper and B) He is much younger than Moulds. He has been able to demonstrate he's a number one, and a big time playmaker.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 08, 2006, 06:47:42 PM
One name I haven't heard being tossed around much on this board is Brandon Lloyd.
The reason could be that he's not going to be an unrestricted free agent.
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 08, 2006, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on January 08, 2006, 06:47:42 PM
One name I haven't heard being tossed around much on this board is Brandon Lloyd.
The reason could be that he's not going to be an unrestricted free agent.
He'll be a restricted FA, and it is possible they may apply the low tender to him.
It's possible we'll keep TO, too.
I thought this was interesting from Spew's postseason analysis:
QuoteI hope Antwaan Randle-El becomes an unrestricted free agent. He's a good, good player, a tough guy, a versatile player. He is not a No. 1-type receiver, but he helps any teams he's with.
Yes, I realize he's just a PR guy but you have to wonder if maybe he's heard something from the front office. I personally think Randle El would be a nice addition, but think he's going to want too large a deal.
Yeah, he heard "downplay that Moulds guy."
Quote from: PhillyFan on January 08, 2006, 11:58:41 AM
FYI - Here's the run pass ratio each year under Andy Reid:
2005
64.5%
35.5% rush
2004
60.8% pass
39.2% rush
2003
55.8% pass
44.2% rush
2002
54.4% pass
45.6% rush
2001
57.7% pass
42.3% rush
2000
61.0% pass
39.0% rush
1999
55.2% pass
44.8% rush
Total
58.5% pass
41.5% rush
I haven't seen too much on the average league pass/run ratio, although I did see that in 2002 the NFL average was about 56.7% pass and 42.3% rush, so the Eagles were more balanced than the average team that year.
So the Eagles under Reid really only were way out of whack this year and that is in large part to the defense giving up big leads early and the Eagles needing to throw it to try and get back in the game. And even including this year, Reid's total ratio is more balanced than the 60/40 goal.
In the other two seasons were they threw at a rate greater than 58% percent, one year was last year when they had TO and Reid was having fun chucking the ball around and rolling up big points. The other year was 2000 when Duce got hurt and they had the Darnell Autry/Amp Lee/Chris Warren/Stanley Pritchett mess at running back.
stats don't tell the whole story as usual. im sure some running down the clock at the end of games helped out the stats a bit. how about a stat for passing on 3rd and short? and how many 3 and outs they've had on 3 strait passes.
Brandon Lloyd is a nutcase. No thanks on him.
Randle-El? Meh.
randle el would help the return game big time...he's not a great wr but he'd be a nice #3.
I would like to get Moulds and Randle-El and make a nice solid, if unspectacular WR corps. [/pipedream]
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2006, 03:40:09 AM
Brandon Lloyd is a nutcase. No thanks on him.
I'm not arguing the point, but I've never heard anything about him. What I have seen, though, are some monstrously insane catches he'd make in college-one handed grabs all over the place. He's good.
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 11, 2006, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2006, 03:40:09 AM
Brandon Lloyd is a nutcase. No thanks on him.
I'm not arguing the point, but I've never heard anything about him. What I have seen, though, are some monstrously insane catches he'd make in college-one handed grabs all over the place. He's good.
Actually, after doing a little digging on Lloyd, he seems to have work ethic problems. Coaches say he makes miraculous catches, but doesn't catch the ones he should, doesn't block, and give up on or breaks off routes. Could be a change of scenery thing, he's young, but unless he gets the low tender, no one will be interested I think.
I don't want anymore dang San Francisco nutcase WRs. :boom
Quote from: mhunt on January 09, 2006, 08:57:54 AM
randle el would help the return game big time...he's not a great wr but he'd be a nice #3.
Holy crap dude, how many #3 recievers do the Eagles need?
Lewis
Wilbur
McCants
Randle El
;)
get this straight...randel-el will sign a contract for too much money and will never be heard from again. until 2 offseasons from now, when he's cut from houston and someone cracks a GET RANDEL-EL joke.
he's nothing more than az-hakim or kevin johnson
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 11, 2006, 09:48:29 PM
Quote from: mhunt on January 09, 2006, 08:57:54 AM
randle el would help the return game big time...he's not a great wr but he'd be a nice #3.
Holy crap dude, how many #3 recievers do the Eagles need?
Lewis
Wilbur
McCants
Randle El
;)
You forgot Pinkston.
don't forget:
Perez
Ford
Jenkins
Gasperson
::)
Those are guys dreaming of being 5th receivers, not guys that are #3s at best.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 12, 2006, 03:45:00 AM
Those are guys dreaming of being 5th receivers, not guys that are #3s at best.
or dreaming of joining Timmy Chang in Europe.