do you think he's lived up to expectations?
Only because the bar is lower for Rutgers grads.
it's hard to say, and it depends on what the expectations were. i think his play was a bit dissapointing this season. i realize that he's had an injured and back QB throwing to him all season. but the mental mistakes like jumping offsides, dropping passes, and fumbling the ball are all causes for concern in the future. he's also a dreadful blocker.
Without McNabb, he's useless.
Jerry Rice would suck with the bums playing quarterback right now.
I'll reserve judgment on him until McNabb is healthy again. But if I had to give an answer, I'd say he's been a raging disappointment this year despite the laughable QB situation.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 27, 2005, 11:20:25 AM
Without McNabb, he's useless.
Jerry Rice would suck with the bums playing quarterback right now.
I'll reserve judgment on him until McNabb is healthy again. But if I had to give an answer, I'd say he's been a raging disappointment this year despite the laughable QB situation.
C'mon the guy is a farging turnstile in the run game.
hes fine...and will be a very good tight end with a healthy qb and some legit receivers...the question is will that ever happen
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 11:22:30 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 27, 2005, 11:20:25 AM
Without McNabb, he's useless.
Jerry Rice would suck with the bums playing quarterback right now.
I'll reserve judgment on him until McNabb is healthy again. But if I had to give an answer, I'd say he's been a raging disappointment this year despite the laughable QB situation.
C'mon the guy is a farging turnstile in the run game.
I never said he wasn't. I also said he's been a raging disappointment, but then again, so has everyone else on offense.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2005, 11:27:47 AM
hes fine...and will be a very good tight end with a healthy qb and some legit receivers...the question is will that ever happen
Ummm... when McNabb is healthy, he'll have a "legit" QB. Reggie Brown is also a legitimate receiver and will be a great #2 next year.
I agree that they need a true #1. Whether or not they get one is up to the Michelin Man.
Ummm... when McNabb is healthy, he'll have a "legit" QB
will mcnabb be mentally healthy?...theres a question as to whether he has the nuts to come back and buck up after this year...not to mention the pressure on him next year is going to be crazy...every worm burner is now going to elicit boos...every loss will be on him...ect...ect...ect...he doesnt seem to be the type of person that can handle rough times...when everything is going great hes all jokes...but the minute the going gets tough mcnabb gets going in his pants
Reggie Brown is also a legitimate receiver and will be a great #2 next year.
he could be great next year with a legit one...if not hell be solid and nothing more...i do agree in the future he will be a great 2...as i mentioned on another thread i believe hes better than reggie wayne right now...just doesnt have the surrounding cast
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2005, 11:42:32 AM
Ummm... when McNabb is healthy, he'll have a "legit" QB
will mcnabb be mentally healthy?...theres a question as to whether he has the nuts to come back and buck up after this year..
Who has this question, you? I don't think anyone has ever questioned McNabb's toughness.
You don't need street creds and tough talk to be a great football player. That BS in the oher thread about DM not having the leadership style to be a great player is nonsense. An arrogant, blustering attitude is not a necessity in a great leader. Maybe it's necessary in a rap posse, but not in a football locker room.
Agreed with most of what has been posted. Overall, I'd grade LJ a "C" at best. If I consider a lot of the preseason expectations, it drops to a "C-" or "D+".
He can make spectacular plays, but hasn't been consistent enough for me. First and foremost, a starting NFL tight end should be a reliable receiver, and LJ is not. As noted, he's also not a very effective blocker. Additionally, he obviously needs to work on protecting the ball.
I think he shows enough promise that I wouldn't give up on him getting to where everyone thinks he should be--and, the offense has been in a general malaise since the Chiefs game--but, he's got the 2006 season to put it together, or I think they need to look to upgrade.
At best, the Eagles need to look to add a solid second TE who can at least block in the off-season, unless they are absolutely convinced that Spach can evolve into a more effective "cap-bargain" next season.
Who has this question, you? I don't think anyone has ever questioned McNabb's toughness
on this board they dont...but out in the real world...and in my house...its very legitimate question
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2005, 11:49:29 AM
Who has this question, you? I don't think anyone has ever questioned McNabb's toughness
on this board they dont...but out in the real world...and in my house...its very legitimate question
The guy has played on a broken ankle, with a bruised sternum, sports hernia, cracked ribs, broken thumb......he list goes on and on. Your house must be full of nitwits. Question his accuracy, his brains, his leadership but not his toughness.
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 11:52:58 AM
The guy has played on a broken ankle, with a bruised sternum, sports hernia, cracked ribs, broken thumb......he list goes on and on. Your house must be full of nitwits. Question his accuracy, his brains, his leadership but not his toughness.
QuotePosted by: ice grillin you
will mcnabb be mentally healthy?...theres a question as to whether he has the nuts to come back and buck up after this year...not to mention the pressure on him next year is going to be crazy...every worm burner is now going to elicit boos...every loss will be on him...ect...ect...ect...he doesnt seem to be the type of person that can handle rough times...when everything is going great hes all jokes...but the minute the going gets tough mcnabb gets going in his pants
read much?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 11:52:58 AM
The guy has played on a broken ankle, with a bruised sternum, sports hernia, cracked ribs, broken thumb......he list goes on and on. Your house must be full of nitwits. Question his accuracy, his brains, his leadership but not his toughness.
QuotePosted by: ice grillin you
will mcnabb be mentally healthy?...theres a question as to whether he has the nuts to come back and buck up after this year...not to mention the pressure on him next year is going to be crazy...every worm burner is now going to elicit boos...every loss will be on him...ect...ect...ect...he doesnt seem to be the type of person that can handle rough times...when everything is going great hes all jokes...but the minute the going gets tough mcnabb gets going in his pants
read much?
Alot better than you read.
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 12:01:58 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:59:36 AM
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 11:52:58 AM
The guy has played on a broken ankle, with a bruised sternum, sports hernia, cracked ribs, broken thumb......he list goes on and on. Your house must be full of nitwits. Question his accuracy, his brains, his leadership but not his toughness.
QuotePosted by: ice grillin you
will mcnabb be mentally healthy?...theres a question as to whether he has the nuts to come back and buck up after this year...not to mention the pressure on him next year is going to be crazy...every worm burner is now going to elicit boos...every loss will be on him...ect...ect...ect...he doesnt seem to be the type of person that can handle rough times...when everything is going great hes all jokes...but the minute the going gets tough mcnabb gets going in his pants
read much?
Alot better than you read.
um yeah, nuts, as in balls, as in guts, as in mental fortitude. but keep talking about the broken ankle, they're the same thing.
where did i ever even come close to talking about his physical toughness?
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 27, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
where did i ever even come close to talking about his physical toughness?
you said nuts, so obviously you were talking about his injured testicles and whether he could come back from that.
fargin crackheads...
Questioning McNabb's grit as a player is ridiculous.
It's not even worth arguing about because it's so farging retarded, it's not worth the effort.
Playing with injuries and pain is more about mental than physical toughness.
yea i agree a heatlhy McNabb means the world to the team.
I could be just fine with LJ if he would just hold on to the farging ball. If I could watch him catch the ball and not immediately hope and pray he not fumble the ball away would be great. When McNabb is in there with him, he makes most plays when needed and is a legit weapon in the offense.
Just gotta secure the damn ball.
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 27, 2005, 12:46:16 PM
I could be just fine with LJ if he would just hold on to the farging ball. If I could watch him catch the ball and not immediately hope and pray he not fumble the ball away would be great. When McNabb is in there with him, he makes most plays when needed and is a legit weapon in the offense.
Just gotta secure the damn ball.
Have to agree and hold it down with Feva.
Little John will get progressively better. This year he made a step up from last year and thats all you can ask for is the guy to get better.
He needs to get better on;
1. Ball security
2. looking the ball in ; stop looking upfield too early
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 27, 2005, 01:21:05 PM
Little John will get progressively better. This year he made a step up from last year and thats all you can ask for is the guy to get better.
He needs to get better on;
1. Ball security
2. looking the ball in ; stop looking upfield too early
#1 is BLOCK SOMEBODY
Great receiving TE with great hands, but his blocking sucks, he still doesn't know how to tuck the ball away, and he clearly gave up when McNabb went down. He's got top 5 TE in the league ability and is a good fit for this offense.
Did he live up to expectations? For a little while, but not for the entire year.
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 27, 2005, 01:21:05 PM
Little John will get progressively better. This year he made a step up from last year and thats all you can ask for is the guy to get better.
He needs to get better on;
1. Ball security
2. looking the ball in ; stop looking upfield too early
#1 is BLOCK SOMEBODY
He's not a blocker. Obviously his blocking needs to get better, but he's not going to be a run blocking TE. Shockey, Gonzalez & Gates aren't real polished blockers either. Their job, as is LJ's, is to make plays in the passing game.
That is why the Eagles need a good solid #2 TE like the Chiefs have in Jason Dunn.
Also like the Cowboys have in Dan Campbell so Jason Witten can go downfield.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 27, 2005, 02:05:15 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 01:56:12 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 27, 2005, 01:21:05 PM
Little John will get progressively better. This year he made a step up from last year and thats all you can ask for is the guy to get better.
He needs to get better on;
1. Ball security
2. looking the ball in ; stop looking upfield too early
#1 is BLOCK SOMEBODY
He's not a blocker. Obviously his blocking needs to get better, but he's not going to be a run blocking TE. Shockey, Gonzalez & Gates aren't real polished blockers either. Their job, as is LJ's, is to make plays in the passing game.
That is why the Eagles need a good solid #2 TE like the Chiefs have in Jason Dunn.
GET DUNN!! AGAIN!!!
He can be our new Thrash. Sign him. Cut him. Resign him. Trade him. Pick him up on waivers. All before week three of the next season.
I wouldn't be opposed to bringing Chad back. He's better than what will be available, he'll come relatively cheap, will be in his second season after his injury and will have a full TC under his belt, he knows the offense, he's also a team leader with a great attitude.
SD, I couldn't agree more. Chad, though, while a better run blocker than LJ, still leaves alot to be desired.
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 02:11:58 PM
SD, I couldn't agree more. Chad, though, while a better run blocker than LJ, still leaves alot to be desired.
Nice sig :P
Are the fists a symbol of you 2 jerking each other off?
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 27, 2005, 02:16:02 PM
Are the fists a symbol of you 2 jerking each other off?
Nah, that symbol looks a little more like this:
(http://www.airbornepress.com/marine88.jpg)
;D
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 27, 2005, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 02:11:58 PM
SD, I couldn't agree more. Chad, though, while a better run blocker than LJ, still leaves alot to be desired.
Nice sig :P
Thanks, I stole it from you
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 27, 2005, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 02:11:58 PM
SD, I couldn't agree more. Chad, though, while a better run blocker than LJ, still leaves alot to be desired.
Nice sig :P
Thanks, I stole it from you
No shtein. [threadjack]Did you get Sirius yet?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 27, 2005, 02:26:07 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 27, 2005, 02:14:12 PM
Quote from: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 02:11:58 PM
SD, I couldn't agree more. Chad, though, while a better run blocker than LJ, still leaves alot to be desired.
Nice sig :P
Thanks, I stole it from you
No shtein. [threadjack]Did you get Sirius yet?
Yeah, as a Christmas present. I don't have it actually installed in my car yet, but have been listening with the wires hanging all over. Howard 100 news is cracking me up. Sat Radio is awesome.
strippers on radio, what could be more awesome?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 02:43:27 PM
strippers on radio, what could be more awesome?
Can't watch them while you're driving so its the next best thing. 90% of the time the image in my head is better anyways.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 27, 2005, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 02:43:27 PM
strippers on radio, what could be more awesome?
Can't watch them while you're driving so its the next best thing. 90% of the time the image in my head is better anyways.
You must not have been going to the right nudie bars in SD because from what I saw out there, I'd have a pretty hard time imagining much better than what I saw up on stage. ;)
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 27, 2005, 02:52:27 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 27, 2005, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 02:43:27 PM
strippers on radio, what could be more awesome?
Can't watch them while you're driving so its the next best thing. 90% of the time the image in my head is better anyways.
You must not have been going to the right nudie bars in SD because from what I saw out there, I'd have a pretty hard time imagining much better than what I saw up on stage. ;)
I hate nudie bars. Don't like feeling obligated to throw money at drugged up chicks with emotional problems who aren't much better looking than what I could pick up at a bar. I'd rather spend my loot on some decent porn.
I'm not an LJ fan. Everything people here have said about what he needs to do to improve is true:
Get Donovan back.
Look the ball into his hands before turning upfield.
Improve ball security after the catch.
Block like a football player when called upon to do so--even if we agree that won't be often.
Catch the ball better.
Become consistent.
Take some goddamned Ritalin or something to focus on the game.
In other words, every critical facet of the TE position needs moderate to serious improvement. I'm having a hard time feeling good about that.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 27, 2005, 02:55:40 PM
I'm not an LJ fan. Everything people here have said about what he needs to do to improve is true:
Get Donovan back.
Look the ball into his hands before turning upfield.
Improve ball security after the catch.
Block like a football player when called upon to do so--even if we agree that won't be often.
Catch the ball better.
Become consistent.
Take some goddamned Ritalin or something to focus on the game.
In other words, every critical facet of the TE position needs moderate to serious improvement. I'm having a hard time feeling good about that.
Way to get us off topic, dick.
Quote from: Diomedes on December 27, 2005, 02:55:40 PM
I'm not an LJ fan. Everything people here have said about what he needs to do to improve is true:
Get Donovan back.
Look the ball into his hands before turning upfield.
Improve ball security after the catch.
Block like a football player when called upon to do so--even if we agree that won't be often.
Catch the ball better.
Become consistent.
Take some goddamned Ritalin or something to focus on the game.
In other words, every critical facet of the TE position needs moderate to serious improvement. I'm having a hard time feeling good about that.
Not to mention the Birds passed on Jason Witten to get him. :boom
Chad Lewis is done. I'm glad he came back this year but they really need a better future TE. Chad's deteriorating stats:
YEAR G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
1999 12 4 8 88 11.0 21 3 1 0 7
2000 16 16 69 735 10.7 52 3 11 1 35
2001 15 15 41 422 10.3 33 6 5 0 20
2002 16 16 42 398 9.5 30 3 4 0 22
2003 16 14 23 293 12.7 29 1 4 0 17
2004 15 9 29 267 9.2 21 3 1 0 16
2005 7 0 4 51
I would like the Eagles to take Marcedes. We need two TE'S WITH DINK AND DUNK
As LJ's sponsor I'd like to say F all of you. I'd also like to say that I agree 100%. He needs to learn to block, hold on to the ball, block, focus and block. In that order.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 02:43:27 PM
strippers on radio, what could be more awesome?
stripper you can see?
Draft Lenard Pope Ga. TE 6'6" 265 40 - 4.55
Great hands - good red zone target - very good blocker
Great # TE - for 2 TE sets - more protection for Mc Nabb
Who nees a 3 wr with two good te's that run like that
and 2 other capable wrs on the field
stop with the take a TE talk...he probably shouldnt take one at all...but if andy drafts a TE on day one he should be hung
seriously...there are so many more pressing needs than te.
i'd be happy with a backup te who isn't an undrafted free agent signed off the street...maybe even someone with nfl experience who can block.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 27, 2005, 11:19:28 AM
he's also a dreadful blocker.
Which is why he should not be this teams anwer for a starting TE.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2005, 08:35:44 AM
stop with the take a TE talk...he probably shouldnt take one at all...but if andy drafts a TE on day one he should be hung
I is hung ;)
Quote from: iowaigglefan on December 28, 2005, 01:27:08 AM
Draft Lenard Pope Ga. TE 6'6" 265 40 - 4.55
Great hands - good red zone target - very good blocker
Great # TE - for 2 TE sets - more protection for Mc Nabb
Who nees a 3 wr with two good te's that run like that
and 2 other capable wrs on the field
I LIKE IT :yay :yay :yay
Let's see...
LJ can't block, can't catch and is invisible in every game that we needed him.
I'm all for drafting someone, anyone!!