Big Hoyda
Now that that jokes out of the way, I can't help but feel like it was him against the world this season.
--Does his best to play through a bunch of nagging injuries and 1 serious injury yet is criticized
--The whole TO fiasco. Not to mention moron turning his teammates against him (or so it seems)all because Donovan doesn't support his pleas for a new deal.
--Reid refuses to run the ball to take some of the pressure off of him.
I know his mistakes this season have been more mental than physcial -- not saying the two are unrelated, but lets be real here, he still gave 100% and showed class all season doing it. I don't know, maybe its due to the fact that I'm listening to some sad Johnny Cash songs right now, but I can't help but feel bad for the guy knowing his seasons over and how much he loves to play the game.
Or maybe I'm just a Big Hoyda.
I never feel bad for athletes. But Donovan has a tough row to hoe with these fans.
I feel bad for the way he's getting treated in his home city.
You'd think we have Aaron Brooks here or something judging by the morons hatin on DMac.
I feel the same way. He's taken a lot of crap this year, and I don't see how any Eagle fan can't not feel bad for him. I just hope and pray he can come back and be the same Dmac we saw last year.
i am flat out embarassed to be an eagles fan when i hear some of these nimrods trash donovan the way they do. he may be the most underappreciated athlete i have ever seen (i am not that old to have been through the 70s and very early 80s). it's sickening..and now people come out and tell everyone that he's faking it?
these fans deserve to lose. no wonder everyone wants to leave philly. i wouldnt want to play in front of some of these jerkoffs either.
the guy has one bad season after 5 seasons of steady improvements and you would think they guy has never won a game.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 21, 2005, 06:50:55 PM
I never feel bad for athletes.
I usually don't either, but I made an exception with him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 21, 2005, 06:54:04 PM
I feel bad for the way he's getting treated in his home city.
You'd think we have Aaron Brooks here or something judging by the morons hatin on DMac.
And that's one of the things that got to me. I've been critical of him, as I'm sure we all have, but he's given us five of the best seasons of football we've ever experienced. Win or lose he leaves his heart on the field after every play and I'm extremely greatful for that.
Yeah, I think Donovan is getting a lot of unneccessary criticism. It's amazing how people forget so easily when things are getting rough.
This team just had a dark cloud over them from the beginning of the season. Usually they are extremely good at overcoming adversity but the training camp stuff, injuries, and I'm guessing just locker room hostility finally did them in.
Plus, I think a lot of NFL teams 'figured out' the Eagles and their blitzing schemes and offensive money plays, they need to adjust and come out next year with a fresh look on some of their better formations. They need to adjust, quite frankly.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 21, 2005, 06:54:04 PM
I feel bad for the way he's getting treated in his home city.
You'd think we have Aaron Brooks here or something judging by the morons hatin on DMac.
As an outside the area fan, I wonder if it's just the squeaky wheel that is heard. i.e. for every 3 positive talks about Don and this team, there's a WIP host and fan who think otherwise...and of course that gets all the attention. Local attention, National attention...the media loves to hate us.
Big Hoyda.
Anyways, there are things about Reid that I don't like...that is when shtein doesn't go right...and its his fault. When Donnie Mac makes a bad play...ich bin ein pissed off. But all in all...I thank God that the Browns were smaht enough to draft couch leaving this syracusian to us. Our luck we would have had Akili Smith or Couch on our team and we would not be talking about the success we've had over the years.
At least one positive about this injury is that he's kind of preserved his body now for at least one season more....when he was gone with the broken leg....and now this....his body can recover and heal and not take the beating. Its one of the few positives in a situation when somone's out for the season.
It's always the squeaky wheel. People would realize how worthless talk radio is if every call was an Andy Reid press conference.
I'm not what you would call a fan of his by any means, and you can count me in the group that had him in the overrated category the first few years of his career. I'm still sick and tired of his dang Chunky soup commercials.
However he's grown as a quarterback the last few years, and any praise he's gotten in that time he's earned. I think he's handled this whole situation about as well as it can be handled, and doesn't deserve a lot of the stuff that's being slung at him. If the locker room is really split, it's a shame. He's been there with a lot of those guys his whole career, and to have people turning their backs on him in favor of someone like Owens is terrible.
If there's one thing I do believe, it's that McNabb is more likely for real as a person while Owens is a chameleon who adapts to his environment as he sees fit. When he's unhappy he doesn't care what he says or who he says it to until his back's against the wall, and he knows just how to manipulate the media when he chooses to.
He's a class act and always has been. I think he stopped having fun this year, with all the bullshtein he's had to take in the media, from TO and the fans, and that more than anything has affected his performance. He never plays well when he's not smiling, and he's had damn little to smile about this season.
He does make some bonehead plays, though (he's done stupid shtein that cost us points at the end of halves at least 4 times that I can think of).
Quote from: Wingspan on November 21, 2005, 06:57:22 PM
i am flat out embarassed to be an eagles fan when i hear some of these nimrods trash donovan the way they do. he may be the most underappreciated athlete i have ever seen (i am not that old to have been through the 70s and very early 80s). it's sickening..and now people come out and tell everyone that he's faking it?
these fans deserve to lose. no wonder everyone wants to leave philly. i wouldnt want to play in front of some of these jerkoffs either.
the guy has one bad season after 5 seasons of steady improvements and you would think they guy has never won a game.
Best post ever.
Getting pissed off and booing when he throws interceptions or fumbles the ball away or otherwise does something stupid is fine.
But there is a lot more going on than just booing in Donovan's case. It's mean, it's nasty and a lot of times, it gets really personal and that pisses me off.
He's a great guy, he's won about a zillion games in his time in Philly, and by any measure, he's class personified.
Yeah, let's burn people like that.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 21, 2005, 08:20:17 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 21, 2005, 06:57:22 PM
i am flat out embarassed to be an eagles fan when i hear some of these nimrods trash donovan the way they do. he may be the most underappreciated athlete i have ever seen (i am not that old to have been through the 70s and very early 80s). it's sickening..and now people come out and tell everyone that he's faking it?
these fans deserve to lose. no wonder everyone wants to leave philly. i wouldnt want to play in front of some of these jerkoffs either.
the guy has one bad season after 5 seasons of steady improvements and you would think they guy has never won a game.
Best post ever.
Totally agree. Not only that, but i would not blame Donovan for wanting to leave this city. He has put up with so much crap and the bad thing is, it makes all the good fans look bad. Everything that stupid "dirty 30" did has given us a black eye. I hate people that hate on Donovan. He's been everything for this franchise.
McNabb has 155 (regular season) total TD's in his career. That's pretty damn good.
McNabb's had a rough year, but who knows how much pain he's actually been in- how much he's just been trying to gut it out.
Hopefully he can come back next season, without the petulance of TO, and start throwing bombs to Brown, Lewis, and Skinny :paranoid.
I also hope that he can win at least one SB during his career to shut up the WIPidiots who continuously rip him. I just pray that SB will be with the Eagles- I can fully see him finally get sick of Philly, leaving to another team, and having to watch him win it all with someone else.
He's a class act and always has been.
He is indeed and we all owe him respect.
Quote from: 4and26 on November 21, 2005, 09:24:32 PM
He's a class act and always has been.
He is indeed and we all owe him respect.
Agreed.
I don't think a competent fan would disagree with those statements. :yay
Quote from: Eaglez on November 22, 2005, 12:01:21 AM
Quote from: 4and26 on November 21, 2005, 09:24:32 PM
He's a class act and always has been.
He is indeed and we all owe him respect.
Agreed.
I don't think a competent fan would disagree with those statements. :yay
Speaking of competent fans that love DMac, where's IGY been? :paranoid
The national press is what is really disgusting me now. I heard that geek Chris Kasilious(sp?) on ESPN radio this morning. What a tool. He was trying to say how McNabb has lost this team and that no one in the locker room will support him. He said McNAbb is the company man and was going off on the "We're a better team without TO" so why are the birds 0-3 without him. He said the birds are toast next year as well basically blaming McNabb and Reid.
Guess the Colts being 10-0 and Seattle 8-2 ain't good fodder.
Well, I've always said that McNabb will be like Mike Scmidt was--the least appreciated athlete in the city and then when he leaves, and is replaced then the fans will finally realize what they had. The Phillies have had what, 17 years to replace Schmidt? They had 1 replacement in that time, but the guy wasn't happy.
Getting back to Donovan is now, supposedly, players were pissed because he wasn't in NY on Sunday to watch the game. In his interview yesterday, which was in today's Inky, he said, "I will support the team and they know that. The FOCUS RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE THE PLAYERS IN UNIFORM ON THE FIELD." In other words, I don't want to be there, because if I am, the media will be asking ME questions, instead of, maybe, Mike McMahon.
The other thing he's been ripped about is his appearance on Letterman that he canceled. But what the MEDIA DIDN'T PUBLICIZE UNTIL TODAY was the fact that he was supposed to be in New York all day today in a promotional tour for EA Sports. The Letterman gig was just a side trip while he was there--but he canceled that as well.
The only thing that concerns me is that he may have lost the team. I don't know if there is any truth to the rumors that teammates have said they should let TO play now that Don is out of the picture. If that's true, it doesn't bode well for the future, and suggests there was a real divide in the locker room all along.
i don't think he's lost the locker room because i still think guys like Dawk, Trotter, Runyan, Tra are still behind him, and if those guys are the rest of the locker room should fall into line.
What scares the hell out of me is the prospect of McMahon going 4-2 or 5-1 the rest of the season...AJ farging Feely all over again.
I smell a QB controversy brewing!
Quote from: Cerevant on November 22, 2005, 08:53:02 AM
What scares the hell out of me is the prospect of McMahon going 4-2 or 5-1 the rest of the season...AJ farging Feely all over again.
I would love that. A return to team football. Who cares what the idiot masses say, I want the team to win. Plus then we could trade McMahon to Miami for a second rounder.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 22, 2005, 08:54:23 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 22, 2005, 08:53:02 AM
What scares the hell out of me is the prospect of McMahon going 4-2 or 5-1 the rest of the season...AJ farging Feely all over again.
I would love that. A return to team football. Who cares what the idiot masses say, I want the team to win. Plus then we could trade McMahon to Miami for a second rounder.
You know, I thought of that, but I also thought McMahon had a 1 year deal - turns out it is a 2 year deal. Go
Jim Mike!
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 22, 2005, 07:28:01 AM
Well, I've always said that McNabb will be like Mike Scmidt was--the least appreciated athlete in the city and then when he leaves, and is replaced then the fans will finally realize what they had. The Phillies have had what, 17 years to replace Schmidt? They had 1 replacement in that time, but the guy wasn't happy.
The thing with McNabb is -- he has as more class in his pinkyfinger than Schmidt does in his whole body. But I definitely think that's a good comparison.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 22, 2005, 07:28:01 AM
Getting back to Donovan is now, supposedly, players were pissed because he wasn't in NY on Sunday to watch the game. In his interview yesterday, which was in today's Inky, he said, "I will support the team and they know that. The FOCUS RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE THE PLAYERS IN UNIFORM ON THE FIELD." In other words, I don't want to be there, because if I am, the media will be asking ME questions, instead of, maybe, Mike McMahon.
It's team policy that injured players don't travel with the team for road games.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 22, 2005, 09:11:41 AM
It's team policy that injured players don't travel with the team for road games.
then why were Buckhalter and Grassmanis on the sidelines?
Because they're on IR? They aren't rehabbing for a comeback this season?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 21, 2005, 08:20:17 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 21, 2005, 06:57:22 PM
i am flat out embarassed to be an eagles fan when i hear some of these nimrods trash donovan the way they do. he may be the most underappreciated athlete i have ever seen (i am not that old to have been through the 70s and very early 80s). it's sickening..and now people come out and tell everyone that he's faking it?
these fans deserve to lose. no wonder everyone wants to leave philly. i wouldnt want to play in front of some of these jerkoffs either.
the guy has one bad season after 5 seasons of steady improvements and you would think they guy has never won a game.
Best post ever.
I'll second that.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 22, 2005, 09:25:09 AM
Because they're on IR? They aren't rehabbing for a comeback this season?
well we know buckhalter isnt.
Quote from: BobbyT on November 22, 2005, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 21, 2005, 08:20:17 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 21, 2005, 06:57:22 PM
i am flat out embarassed to be an eagles fan when i hear some of these nimrods trash donovan the way they do. he may be the most underappreciated athlete i have ever seen (i am not that old to have been through the 70s and very early 80s). it's sickening..and now people come out and tell everyone that he's faking it?
these fans deserve to lose. no wonder everyone wants to leave philly. i wouldnt want to play in front of some of these jerkoffs either.
the guy has one bad season after 5 seasons of steady improvements and you would think they guy has never won a game.
Best post ever.
I'll second that.
Agreement boners all around.
Agreement boners. :-D
Quote from: hbionic on November 22, 2005, 12:46:13 PM
Agreement boners. :-D
Calm down. It's not like they're sending them to you in the mail....
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 22, 2005, 12:39:11 PM
Quote from: BobbyT on November 22, 2005, 09:45:19 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 21, 2005, 08:20:17 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 21, 2005, 06:57:22 PM
i am flat out embarassed to be an eagles fan when i hear some of these nimrods trash donovan the way they do. he may be the most underappreciated athlete i have ever seen (i am not that old to have been through the 70s and very early 80s). it's sickening..and now people come out and tell everyone that he's faking it?
these fans deserve to lose. no wonder everyone wants to leave philly. i wouldnt want to play in front of some of these jerkoffs either.
the guy has one bad season after 5 seasons of steady improvements and you would think they guy has never won a game.
Best post ever.
I'll second that.
Agreement boners all around.
Another boner to throw into the mix.
Normally I would join the sausage party, but I think my agreement has already been stated. Plus all of this wood is gross.
However I must say it's good to see another one of my linguistic spewings catch on around here.
Don't get too excited about it, these are the same trained monkeys that use zesty in daily conversation.
outstanding point.
sometimes I feel bad for Mcnabb. Sometimes im just disgusted by much of the "philadelphia" sports fan base who is scum.
I feel bad for him in the sense that the guy can just never seem to catch a break since he hit the NFL. First, from the moment his name was called, he was robbed of one of the best experiences of his athletic career by 30 iceholes who "represent" the Philly fanbase. Then, in the early stages of his career, his every throw nitpicked by the national media and folks yapping about all his inaccuracies. He's the one that takes all the blame for the 3 NFCCG losses... where not all of it is meritted.
Then... after years of carrying the offense, he FINALLY gets a top-caliber weapon and he turns out to be the biggest icehole on the face of God's green earth. He tries to battle through all of that... along with injuries upon injuries this year, just trying to keep the team in order... only to be underappreciated by a large number of "passionate" fans, 1 incredibly lost readio station... and analysts like Tom Jackson who make up comments like, "He looks like he's never even seen a football before."
He deserves better than what he's getting.
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 22, 2005, 09:27:43 PM
I feel bad for him in the sense that the guy can just never seem to catch a break since he hit the NFL. First, from the moment his name was called, he was robbed of one of the best experiences of his athletic career by 30 iceholes who "represent" the Philly fanbase. Then, in the early stages of his career, his every throw nitpicked by the national media and folks yapping about all his inaccuracies. He's the one that takes all the blame for the 3 NFCCG losses... where not all of it is meritted.
Then... after years of carrying the offense, he FINALLY gets a top-caliber weapon and he turns out to be the biggest icehole on the face of God's green earth. He tries to battle through all of that... along with injuries upon injuries this year, just trying to keep the team in order... only to be underappreciated by a large number of "passionate" fans, 1 incredibly lost readio station... and analysts like Tom Jackson who make up comments like, "He looks like he's never even seen a football before."
He deserves better than what he's getting.
And you didn't even mention the Limbaugh fiasco which was completely blown out of proportion but nevertheless a distraction and totally uncalled for.
In all honesty, I think our passion gets the better of us. He meets all the criteria of a Philly hero yet doesn't get treated that way. He's tough, plays through injuries, never bashes the fans, always gives 100%, never makes excuses, works his ass off, and comes from a middle class working family in a major city. Sometimes our fans get so wrapped up in wins and losses they forget the bad years and more importantly THE GUY who rescued us from that (okay, Reid gets the majority of the credit but Donovan is a close second).
QuoteIn all honesty, I think our passion gets the better of us.
I think that is a big part of it right there. His passion doesn't manifest in him hooting and hollering like most Philly fans, so most fans here probably don't identify with him or think he doesn't care, which is pretty much ridiculous.
McNabb- class act and always has been even in 'Cuse
Philly Fans - no class but we like it that way lot better than what passes for a passionate football fans in Foxboro
Quote from: NGM on November 22, 2005, 10:22:55 PM
QuoteIn all honesty, I think our passion gets the better of us.
I think that is a big part of it right there. His passion doesn't manifest in him hooting and hollering like most Philly fans, so most fans here probably don't identify with him or think he doesn't care, which is pretty much ridiculous.
Great point. Instead, most fans embrace guys like T.O. (last year) because of his brash attitude and his outspoken nature (to put it lightly). Eagles fans love it when he does things like calling out Ricky Manning Jr. and things like that. It was so apparent last year because a guy who had been here only a matter of a few months had become a bigger star in Philly than the guy who'd been giving his all for this team for the 5 previous years. Incredible.
Meanwhile, because McNabb doesn't work that way... he gets the reputation of being a company man... and a crybaby being sheltered by AR and the FO. Also, he has teammates who have shown that they may not necessarily be on his side of this whole TO thing... which makes things even worse.
But what I don't get is why some fans loved TO for his mouth but hate Billy Wagner for his?
FYI...in the Inky today they had the poll results from yesterday's paper. The question was : Is it time to find McNabb's replacement?
1300+ responses.
600+ - Yes
700+ - No
600 complete and utter morons.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 23, 2005, 08:46:35 AM
FYI...in the Inky today they had the poll results from yesterday's paper. The question was : Is it time to find McNabb's replacement?
1300+ responses.
600+ - Yes
700+ - No
600 complete and utter morons.
Too bad the question wasn't, "Do we have your permission to put a bullet in your head after you complete this survey?".
farging disgusting. :boo
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 23, 2005, 08:46:35 AM600 complete and utter morons.
could you imagine the results if it was a WIP poll?
I love how you all still act shocked when people are stupid. It's very cute how you all still have a modicum of faith in humanity. Suckers.
Yeah, its bad. Paul Jolovitz was on WIP last night and was ripping the people questioning McNabb's toughness and guts. I was glad to hear someone talking sense on that station for once.
This is going to fester until September 2006. Because he won't be able to shut these fargs up until then. Going to be a long off-season.
they booed me at the draft waaaah
TO called me a name wah
people questioned me at the end of the superbowl wah
roy williams wah
theres a difference between physical toughness and mental toughness...mcnabb has none of the latter and that is something you must have if youre to be loved in this city...hes an emotionally soft person and that scares people...
fans want a leader...a tough guy that is not going to pout and cower when things get tough but someone that will stand up to a bully like TO or blast the fans that booed him...instead hes like boo hoo mommy daddy andy help me!!!
do some fans go overboard...of course...should mcnabb be replaced...hell no...but these are real issues he has and they explain why he is treated the way he is in the city...and there is some validity to it
Honestly, I want a guy who goes out and plays ball and gives it his all. Donovan does that and then some.
Do I wish he was more receptive? Yes. But I also do not blame him for being a little apprehensive. The guy catches way too much shtein here, bro.
Too many people are caught up in this "leader" thing now. Some guys are leaders but they aren't vocal leaders. Some guys holler and yell and whatnot. Thats not him.
Lead by example & play balls out and I respect you.
Bill Conlin is dead on today...
QuoteBill Conlin | Getting the bum's rush
PHILLY HAS SHORT MEMORY FOR McNABB, THOME
OF ANDY REID'S several public, we're-not-giving-up-the-ship, don't-count-us-out,still-plenty-of-football-to-play assertions, I prefer Sunday's Meadowlands version. "We need to go back and get together a little bit," he said minutes after the loss to the Giants. "We need to regroup."
We need to regroup...
That's like the mayor of Hiroshima saying, "We need to construct stronger buildings."
Meanwhile, it is standing-room-only in the Eagles Nation fallout shelters. And the first, tentative draft questions already have intruded on the morose post-mortems, even as surgery- bound Donovan McNabb was canceling the David Letterman performance that might have sent the dizzying decline in his popularity clattering off rock bottom.
The coach's noon seminar in Some-Explaining-To-Do 101 was even briefer than usual, just a roundabout way of restating his First Amendment right to remain vague and to avoid
self-incrimination. Now that Slim has left and the Eagles' playoff chances are down to none, there isn't a whole lot left to spin.
But there is a big picture out there that has been emerging since midsummer. All you have to do is take a small step back, remove yourself from the doomed Eagles season and read a message that we are writing season-by-season:
Superstars beware - it is no longer safe around here, for even the good guys. Suffer an injury at your peril. Tolerance for big-game mistakes: Zero. You can and will be replaced. But the swift and amazing deconstruction of McNabb, who was a towering Local Hero until those puzzling final minutes of the Super Bowl loss to New England, raises a legitimate question: Has our frustration at losing so many big ones reached a point where our meager supply of true stars is disposable?
Case in point: Jim Thome and Philly appeared to be a better fit than Mummers and banjos.
Citizens Bank Park construction workers cheered him on a frigid day when the Phillies brass was wooing the biggest (and costliest) free-agent catch in franchise history. Jim rewarded them with 47 homers - one shy of Mike Schmidt's club homer record - in the Vet's 2003 final season, then pounded 42 more in the 2004 Money Pit inaugural despite an aching back and nagging hand and wrist injuries.
Then, a man who embodies every quality we say we admire in an athlete, including humility and fan-friendliness, made a serious mistake. He suffered the same maladies last spring training and tried to play through them, much as McNabb tried to play through the sports hernia. How soon fans seem to have forgotten that day against the Arizona Cardinals when No. 5 played almost an entire game on a broken leg.
Unfortunately, Thome has become odd man out in a rare intersection of events that found the Phillies with carbon copies at first base. Ryan Howard was still an early, untested work in progress as the town thrilled to the bold Thome signing. The two first basemen appeared to be sculpted from the same block of granite - both lefthanded swingers, both uncommonly powerful men born 9 years apart. Both struck out a lot but do amazing, consistent damage when they make contact. Both possess amazing opposite-field power.
While Thome dropped from view to have surgery and to begin his rehab, Howard came from Ground Nowhere to win National League Rookie of the Year.
Thome? Trade the big bum... The sooner the better. Eat whatever salary necessary. Let nothing interfere with the Ryan Howard Era.
Jim realized the potential road hazards when he signed his lush, 6-year deal. He figured he'd play the 5 guaranteed years, then another on the club option. The last thing he figured was that the organization's first legitimate lefthanded home-run slugger since Chuck Klein would play his position and none other.
But that's life in this big, cruel city.
You hope Pat Gillick, the new GM, can hook Thome up with the White Sox or even back with the Indians. Dave Montgomery will have to take a choking mouthful of salary, but that, too, is life in the big city. Bottom line, Jim Thome deserves the same measure of respect from fans here as he extended to them.
It would also be nice next August, when the reconstructed Eagles report to Lehigh, if fans extend a mulligan to Donovan McNabb. If the 2005 season has been a nightmare for people who paint their faces green 10 days a year and die a few inches with each Eagles loss, imagine what it has been like for McNabb. Playing in pain. Playing with the mounting scorn of Terrell Owens in surround sound 24/7...
Imagine and give the guy a do-over...
where the hell was i when donovan became a superstar??
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 10:24:28 AM
where the hell was i when donovan became a superstar??
You were hanging out in the quasi-ghetto with your head shoved way up your ass.
Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars. The media just wants them to succeed.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 23, 2005, 10:38:41 AM
Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars. The media just wants them to succeed.
And now they've abandoned him for Mike Vick. :D
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 10:24:28 AM
where the hell was i when donovan became a superstar??
The same place you are now. In IgnorantassmotherfargerinallthingsEaglesville.
Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars
not that probowls mean anything but he was a 2nd and even 3rd replacement choice in all but one of them
i cant believe you homers think hes a superstar....hes not even great...hes a very good qb
5 full seasons as starting QB...5 division titles, 4 championship game appearances, 1 superbowl
that speaks more loundy than any of your conjecture
Well, Aikman had those kind of numbers too, and I never mistook him for anything other than a round peg in a round hole. He worked well within the offense, but was nothing special beyond that.
McNabb has more intangibles than Aikman, I'd call him a star.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 10:51:15 AM
Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars
not that probowls mean anything but he was a 2nd and even 3rd replacement choice in all but one of them
i cant believe you homers think hes a superstar....hes not even great...hes a very good qb
Granted... he's not your boy Mark Brunell, but I still think he's a top-notch QB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 10:51:15 AM
Quarterbacks who go to five consecutive probowls aren't superstars
not that probowls mean anything but he was a 2nd and even 3rd replacement choice in all but one of them
i cant believe you homers think hes a superstar....hes not even great...hes a very good qb
Runner up for MVP one season. 5 straight probowls. 5 straight seasons of leading his team to the playoffs. 4 straight NFC championship games. A superbowl appearance. I'm not sure what your qualifications are for stardom, but that fills my requirements.
You don't think McNabb is a star and you want Reid to be gone... who do you believe has led this team to this level of success? Some other mystical force that no one is giving credt to? I know I know, you LIKE Donovan. You think he's swell. He just isn't a 'championship QB' and has no 'mental toughness.' Give me a break he and Reid single-handedly (double-handedly?) turned this team from a losing pile of shtein into a winner. Reid has his faults and I want to see them rectified. McNabb makes mistakes from time to time, but to claim that one is a bad coach and that the other doesn't have what it takes to win a Superbowl is completely ridiculous.
i'd rather have brett favre
Totally. Allow me to add Brunell and Bledsoe to that list. Jake Plummer, Trent Green, and Kerry Collins also.
Career superstars!
Don't forget Vinny.
i'm still upset that we cut ty detmer. he was a great locker room guy that kept koy under control
You don't think McNabb is a star and you want Reid to be gone... who do you believe has led this team to this level of success?
mostly pathetic competition...the nfc has been the worst its ever been
jim johnson...defense defense defense
mcnabb and reid have both been responsible for a certain amount of success...andyone who would deny that is a dope...but the better question is what has stopped this team from reaching its ultimate level of success??
Pathetic competition? That's the reason this team made such a turnaround? You need to learn to give credit where credit is due.
ive said on this board countless times that reid deserves credit for getting the team where it is...but its been seven years and is now time to move in a different direction...that is getting a coach that can...well...coach
id like an answer to the question tho...what has stopped the team from winning the superbowl...or shtein even more than one of their championship games...i mean with a super star qb and a hall of fame coach they must have won two or three superbowls on this amazing run reid has had...right?
The defense hasn't played that well at all in the most important games, namely the NFC championship games against the Rams & Bucs, and the Super Bowl last year. Donovan was injured early against the Panthers.
That's why.
excuses might fly in one playoff game or even a playoff year but in a five year span they start to get old and homerish
i love them tho keep em comin...so far we got
they werent supposed to win
the defense sucked
injuries killed them
the wr's sucked
tampa was better
carolina was better than we thought
wake me up when you have some others...
zzzzzzz
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 09:21:51 AM
they booed me at the draft waaaah
TO called me a name wah
people questioned me at the end of the superbowl wah
roy williams wah
theres a difference between physical toughness and mental toughness...mcnabb has none of the latter and that is something you must have if youre to be loved in this city...hes an emotionally soft person and that scares people...
fans want a leader...a tough guy that is not going to pout and cower when things get tough but someone that will stand up to a bully like TO or blast the fans that booed him...instead hes like boo hoo mommy daddy andy help me!!!
do some fans go overboard...of course...should mcnabb be replaced...hell no...but these are real issues he has and they explain why he is treated the way he is in the city...and there is some validity to it
You just hate him b/c he's actually black and you wish you were.
:-D
You just hate him b/c he's actually black and you wish you were.
im whiter than skippy handleman and im still blacker than mcnabb
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 12:51:20 PM
You just hate him b/c he's actually black and you wish you were.
im whiter than skippy handleman and im still blacker than mcnabb
No, you're really not... dook.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 12:42:09 PM
excuses might fly in one playoff game or even a playoff year but in a five year span they start to get old and homerish
i love them tho keep em comin...so far we got
they werent supposed to win
the defense sucked
injuries killed them
the wr's sucked
tampa was better
carolina was better than we thought
wake me up when you have some others...
zzzzzzz
Dude give it up. You have to take football game by game. You can't say "Sure there were reasons the team lost each game, but to lose all of those games must have been a bigger problem." That's not how it works. You can't have it both ways. Either you completely disregards the reasons they lost those games and blame Reid/McNabb or you accept those reasons as legit. It can't be both. You are chossing to see it as a bigger problem, the rest of us see it as a few games where key players were hurt (Vincent, Buckhalter, McNabb, Westbrook), the defense wasn't up to snuff (Bucs, New England), the team ws lucky to be there in the first place (Carolina, 4th and 26) or the Eagles just flat out weren't the better team. Its rational. Your arguement is completely subjective.
Forgive me if i'm mistaken, but hasn't Bill Cowher only led his team to the Super Bowl once? What has he won? Nothing...right? Well he's still coaching the same team. So what does IGY have to say about that?
Well, you could argue that Pitt is stupid to retain Cowher.....
I wouldn't, but, you know, you could.....
the rest of us see it as a few games where key players were hurt (Vincent, Buckhalter, McNabb, Westbrook), the defense wasn't up to snuff (Bucs, New England), the team ws lucky to be there in the first place (Carolina, 4th and 26) or the Eagles just flat out weren't the better team
i know how you see it...but if that makes you happy keep sippy sippin away at the kool aid...while other teams go to the superbowl...i myself want a championship
We all want a championship. We're just smarter than you about which directions are more likely to get us there.
Much, much smarter.
The key to this team getting to the superbowl is definitely to get a new head coach and new quarterback. It's a recipe that's been proven over and over again. That does it. I'm convinced. I feel so liberated.
Get Linehardt! Get Pete Carroll!!@!
dude, that's what got us in this mess in the first place, first reid came in and selected McHeart-throb, it will never work, duh.
The key to this team getting to the superbowl is definitely to get a new head coach and new quarterback
who wants a new quarterback??
as for a coach it worked out pretty well for tampa
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 01:08:47 PM
The key to this team getting to the superbowl is definitely to get a new head coach and new quarterback
who wants a new quarterback??
as for a coach it worked out pretty well for tampa
Right, I forgot, you don't want a new QB, you like McNabb, but he isn't mentally tough and isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber... does not compute.
never said he wasnt championship caliber....i said there are questions as to his mental toughness and whether he is able to win the big game or not...under this coach i doubt he can...with a new coach who knows...unfortunately i doubt well ever find out as these two are locked into one another...they are here until mcnabb retires
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 01:14:13 PM
never said he wasnt championship caliber....
There are probably several members of this board that would go feverishly seraching for evidence to the contrary. I am not one of them. And I'm tired of talking in circles, so here's a picture of a fetus.
(http://hometown.aol.com/dejavamp/images/30%20week%20fetus.jpg)
It's a boy!
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 23, 2005, 12:54:30 PM
Forgive me if i'm mistaken, but hasn't Bill Cowher only led his team to the Super Bowl once? What has he won? Nothing...right? Well he's still coaching the same team. So what does IGY have to say about that?
cowher has also lost 4 HOME conference championship games
There we go...so Reid is justified in staying with the Eagles just as long. Take that IGY.
ouch
Quote from: rjs246 on November 23, 2005, 01:18:09 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 01:14:13 PM
never said he wasnt championship caliber....
There are probably several members of this board that would go feverishly seraching for evidence to the contrary. I am not one of them. And I'm tired of talking in circles, so here's a picture of a fetus.
I'm bored so I checked. He never said that McNabb wasn't championship caliber, and further he said numerous times that McNabb was the Eagle's only chance to get to the Super Bowl this year. He even said once that McNabb is better than Elway when he won the Super Bowl. :sly
FEVERISHLY!
He never said that McNabb wasn't championship caliber, and further he said numerous times that McNabb was the Eagle's only chance to get to the Super Bowl this year. He even said once that McNabb is better than Elway when he won the Super Bowl
holla
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 01:00:38 PM
the rest of us see it as a few games where key players were hurt (Vincent, Buckhalter, McNabb, Westbrook), the defense wasn't up to snuff (Bucs, New England), the team ws lucky to be there in the first place (Carolina, 4th and 26) or the Eagles just flat out weren't the better team
i know how you see it...but if that makes you happy keep sippy sippin away at the kool aid...while other teams go to the superbowl...i myself want a championship
You'd never know it with you constantly running off at the mouth with your bullshtein about replacing AR and Donovan.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 23, 2005, 01:11:12 PM
Right, I forgot, you don't want a new QB, you like McNabb, but he isn't mentally tough and isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber, but you want to win a championship, but he isn't championship caliber... does not compute.
QuoteIf we're built from Spirals while living in a giant Spiral, then is it possible that everything we put our hands to is infused with the Spiral?
Donavan is getting like $119 million garaunteed money, because of this, he is viewed by many in the locker as being apart of management, a "company man". Overtime, players begin to resent that, for T.O. it came to a head quickly. Overtime though, he is going to lose support of the locker room because of this. He is not in the same boat as the other players. You here players talk about the "football side" and the "business side" and how they have to deal with both. Donavan doesn't have to, no matter how bad he performs.
Learn how to spell ya hippie!
Have you ever considered switching to decaf?
No way...then i wouldn't be Cornholio.
I'm sure you'd find a way.
Quote from: archer on November 23, 2005, 11:10:39 PM
Donavan is getting like $119 million garaunteed money, because of this, he is viewed by many in the locker as being apart of management, a "company man". Overtime, players begin to resent that, for T.O. it came to a head quickly. Overtime though, he is going to lose support of the locker room because of this. He is not in the same boat as the other players. You here players talk about the "football side" and the "business side" and how they have to deal with both. Donavan doesn't have to, no matter how bad he performs.
Uh oh... Michael Vick and Peyton Manning better take a pay cut QUICK!
Quote from: archer on November 23, 2005, 11:10:39 PM
Donavan is getting like $119 million garaunteed money, because of this, he is viewed by many in the locker as being apart of management, a "company man". Overtime, players begin to resent that, for T.O. it came to a head quickly. Overtime though, he is going to lose support of the locker room because of this. He is not in the same boat as the other players. You here players talk about the "football side" and the "business side" and how they have to deal with both. Donavan doesn't have to, no matter how bad he performs.
You are a complete and utter waste of space.
And dumba s a stump to boot.
You might want to look up Donovan's
guaranteed money, you farging moron.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 24, 2005, 08:29:52 AM
Quote from: archer on November 23, 2005, 11:10:39 PM
Donavan is getting like $119 million garaunteed money, because of this, he is viewed by many in the locker as being apart of management, a "company man". Overtime, players begin to resent that, for T.O. it came to a head quickly. Overtime though, he is going to lose support of the locker room because of this. He is not in the same boat as the other players. You here players talk about the "football side" and the "business side" and how they have to deal with both. Donavan doesn't have to, no matter how bad he performs.
You are a complete and utter waste of space.
And dumba s a stump to boot.
You might want to look up Donovan's guaranteed money, you farging moron.
Not sure what the amount is, but he is viewed as pro-management by some players. If you don't see this you're the moron.
Obviously, he would be viewed as pro-management. He abides by management decisions, and he toes the company line. Most successful NFL QB's are pro-management, and only the malcontents would be bothered by that.
The Eagles have very few malcontents now, with T.O. history and Westbrook and Akers getting their dollars.
I'm with you, SD...
I've always been on the "Defend Donovan" front -- but I can intelligently criticize him as well...
"God damn it! Could you NOT throw into Lewis' feet??!?!??!?"
He has always been more than classy, intelligent, and a good leader to the team...this season was NOT fun for him - it has been a damn media circus and more drama than a roomful of drag queens...
I like him. I'll like it better next season post-surgery, clear headed, hopefully with some decent draft picks/pick ups whatever -- and a Reggie Brown who is more experienced.
FYI: The same asshat (Whitlock) who said that McNabb's contract turned the locker room against him also said this in the same article...
Quote3. Vegas blows another one: Denver's defensive line will put a total clown suit on Bledsoe Thursday afternoon.
The Broncos might shut out the Cowboys on Thanksgiving. Denver is favored by two points. I can't see them winning by fewer than two touchdowns. It's just a terrible matchup for the Cowboys. The Broncos won't have to blitz to get to Bledsoe. He'll fumble at least twice and throw a couple of interceptions. Dallas' running game won't provide any relief.
I rest my case.
Well, Bledsoe did throw 2 picks. ;D
He also thinks the Chiefs should actively pursue Herm Edwards to replace Dick Vermeil.
I admire Whitlock for this:
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/other/2003/0130/photo/bunnies_i.jpg)
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/other/2003/0130/photo/bunny_i.jpg)
(http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/other/2003/0130/photo/millerjason_i.jpg)
My roommates from KC and he equated him to our version of SAS. :boo
Happy Birthday, Donovan :paranoid
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 25, 2005, 01:40:42 PM
Happy Birthday, Donovan :paranoid
Yikes, 29 years young today