Regarding his complete maturity it seems.
We've all seen Dunvun grow since he got here. From worm burners, to over throws, to scrambling, to staying in the pocket and improving his numbers. I think we've all been comfortable regardless of all the bitching that McNabb has come a long way as far as his development is concerned.
We got to the superbowl within a 6 year period of him being here. Not bad. But last night it dawned on me that there is still one more part of his game that he needs to shore up. That is his patience and reliance on his plays/playbook.
Too many times this season, we've seen Donovan make a quick decision and after the play was over the camera shows how the running back out of the back field had no defender near him for 10-20 yards and 'if only McNabb would have looked right/left/upfield...he could have had an easy score. I believe this is what led to the interception last night.
Now, I know this has been happening for a while...I remember sometimes fred-ex would be open alot and missed. I think all of our receivers have had this at one point or another...even the QB's out there on other teams have gone through this. But I believe its this quick decision making, which he has to have, is also keeping him from completely seeing the field. I know the pocket will only stay up for a matter of seconds...but it seems if he gave himself that extra .5 or extra second, he might be able to manage to see that open receiver.
I'm comfortable that he's matured in many ways. I think this may be that final hurdle to make him that complete weapon. Regardless of what many of you think or feel, I think Donovan is almost 'there' as the top QB, farg the numbers.
Hopefully after surgery and some review of game tape, he'll realize the same thing.
I'd like to see him call his own plays. He's a big boy now....he can do it....
I'd like to see him audible just once without the defense seemingly knowing the play call better than he does.
he is what he is a good qb who lack some crucial personality traits that are necessary to win big games...perhaps another coach could bring those traits out of him...or perhaps hes doesnt have them in him at all...and if thats the case he needs to go
but first things first...andy gotta go gotta go
STFU with the "Andy Must Go" bullshtein, IGY.
He's not going anywhere.
He's not going anywhere.
i realize this and it makes me even more pissed off
I'd be happy with Andy leaving. I've never been a fan of his play calling and this season takes the cake.
I was dropping a turd in anger this morning, wishing the toilet was Andy's head.
Yeah, you guys are right.
Bring back Rich Kotite, Joe Kuharich, Ray Rhodes, Mike McCormick etc.
Those days were the bestest.
:-D
If Andy would give play-calling duties over to someone else I would be appeased. He has a lot of value to this team, but his play-calling is absolutely awful.
So when Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, that play call sucks?
Is that what you guys are saying?
:-D
As much as I blame Andy for last night's farg up, to suggest he gets fired is ridiculous. 75-42 is the best coaching record in franchise history. I think he's earned a mulligan season.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 15, 2005, 01:25:29 PM
So when Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, that play call sucks?
Is that what you guys are saying?
Please tell me you're not defending AR's play calling. Seriously. It's awful and has been for a while. He has no rhythm, no pace to the game. He doesn't set up plays for later in the game with similar plays early in the game. He doesn't make adjustments. He needs to hand things over.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 01:22:46 PM
If Andy would give play-calling duties over to someone else I would be appeased. He has a lot of value to this team, but his play-calling is absolutely awful.
I agree.
Why exactly do we have on offensive coordinator anyway?
To relay the plays to the assistant head coach.
well thank god for that. i hope he gets paid a lot.
We have the highest paid coaching staff in the NFL, I think.
Our coaching has been friggin miserable this year. Nuke the sidelines!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 01:29:36 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 15, 2005, 01:25:29 PM
So when Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, that play call sucks?
Is that what you guys are saying?
Please tell me you're not defending AR's play calling. Seriously. It's awful and has been for a while. He has no rhythm, no pace to the game. He doesn't set up plays for later in the game with similar plays early in the game. He doesn't make adjustments. He needs to hand things over.
I'm not defending anything or anyone. My question still stands. When Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, does that play suck?
I'll wait patiently for your answer...
They've been consistently miserable all around. Someone was not specific enough when they asked the football gods for consistency this year.
I want to keep Andy around because I think he drafts excellent. I never question his decisions on draft day anymore because it seems like for the most part he knows what he's doing. But someone needs to take the playcalling abilities away from him. I guess that's kind of hard to do to the head coach though.
Andys short coming has been that in 6 years he hasnt been able to develop a #1 WR from the draft!! His drafts minus one year have been crap on the offensive side, and have more Street Free Agents on the team then DPs since 99, not good.
OH AND FIRE DAVE CULLEY BY FAR WORST WR COACH IN THE LEAGUE!!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 15, 2005, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 01:29:36 PM
Please tell me you're not defending AR's play calling. Seriously. It's awful and has been for a while. He has no rhythm, no pace to the game. He doesn't set up plays for later in the game with similar plays early in the game. He doesn't make adjustments. He needs to hand things over.
I'm not defending anything or anyone. My question still stands. When Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, does that play suck?
I'll wait patiently for your answer...
Are you asking me if the ONE TD play that he called yesterday sucked? (The second was an improv by #5.) No THAT PLAY didn't suck. His playcalling still sucks ass.
That's like asking 'did the car chase in
Ronin suck? No? Well then the movie must have kicked ass!' Just because one tiny piece of something is good or works out doesn't mean that the whole thing isn't a steaming pile of shtein.
I know you're tryng to goad me, but come on. This line of quesstioning is farging imbecilic. "Oh yeah, well that one play that worked didn't suck therefore Adny is teh awesome." Idiotic.
SIGN CHRIS SIMMS!
AND SIGN PHIL SIMMS TO COACH! WE'D BE THE BESTEST TEAM EVER!
First, "Ronin" was a great movie, so please shut your cockhole about that.
Second, my point was and remains... Andy does a good job of play-calling when the Eagles players execute those plays properly and convert them into points.
Is the guy the second-coming of Bill Walsh? No. Obviously not. But to suggest that he be relieved of play-calling duties based on this season after he's had unparalleled success (in terms of the Eagles franchise, that is) doing it his way for the past seven season, well, that's just plain idiotic in my way of thinking.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 15, 2005, 02:34:56 PM
AND SIGN PHIL SIMMS TO COACH! WE'D BE THE BESTEST TEAM EVER!
don't be dumb, Phil Simms obviously has a contract with CBS sports
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 15, 2005, 02:00:10 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 01:29:36 PM
Please tell me you're not defending AR's play calling. Seriously. It's awful and has been for a while. He has no rhythm, no pace to the game. He doesn't set up plays for later in the game with similar plays early in the game. He doesn't make adjustments. He needs to hand things over.
I'm not defending anything or anyone. My question still stands. When Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, does that play suck?
I'll wait patiently for your answer...
Are you asking me if the ONE TD play that he called yesterday sucked? (The second was an improv by #5.) No THAT PLAY didn't suck. His playcalling still sucks ass.
That's like asking 'did the car chase in Ronin suck? No? Well then the movie must have kicked ass!' Just because one tiny piece of something is good or works out doesn't mean that the whole thing isn't a steaming pile of shtein.
I know you're tryng to goad me, but come on. This line of quesstioning is farging imbecilic. "Oh yeah, well that one play that worked didn't suck therefore Adny is teh awesome." Idiotic.
meatcicleface, Ronin is a good movie.
Was that really an improv by McNabb? It looked like a designed play to me.
My opinions on Andy Reid's playcalling have not changed because of last night's game. His ability to run a gameplan has always sucked a huge a-hole, the eagles have just always had the athletes to make a zesty system work. And now that McNabb is injured in 12 places, he can't do that.
Ah, I never realized what word zesty was a filter for. Now I know it's zesty.
i think Andy is pretty good at putting together a gameplan during the week. and if the game goes according to plan, he has a good pace and rythem to his calls. but, when the defense does things he wasn't expecting, he is stopped in his tracks. the calls come in late, the plays have no flow. he isn't able to make the key in-game adjustments that are necessary.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 02:40:39 PM
he isn't able to make the key in-game adjustments that are necessary.
some may call that stubborness. doesn't it make you all scratch your head that it took him 9 weeks to realize that he has to run the football? and it actually worked, look at that. weird how everyone other than reid has been saying that all season.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 02:40:39 PM
i think Andy is pretty good at putting together a gameplan during the week. and if the game goes according to plan, he has a good pace and rythem to his calls. but, when the defense does things he wasn't expecting, he is stopped in his tracks. the calls come in late, the plays have no flow. he isn't able to make the key in-game adjustments that are necessary.
Raging agreement boners.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 15, 2005, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 02:40:39 PM
he isn't able to make the key in-game adjustments that are necessary.
some may call that stubborness. doesn't it make you all scratch your head that it took him 9 weeks to realize that he has to run the football? and it actually worked, look at that. weird how everyone other than reid has been saying that all season.
i dunno about stubborness. that would mean that he would rather lose his way than doing what it takes to win. as far as in game stuff, i don't believe that to be true. i just don't think he's able to get a grasp on what needs to be done in time to do it.
as far as the running game for the season, i think there probably was some stubborness there, but he needs to keep it up now.
Still waiting for rjs to apologize about the "Ronin" comments... icehole.
:-D
I fell asleep twice during that goddamned movie. It sucked monkey balls. The beginning of the end for DeNiro.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 02:58:20 PM
The beginning of the end for DeNiro.
i beg to differ sir. see: Meet the Fockers
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Reason # 1,846 that "Ronin" was an excellent movie and if you fell asleep during it, you're clearly a closet homosexual.
That's a man.
Dude. For real. That thing is farging busted up.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 15, 2005, 02:00:10 PM
I'm not defending anything or anyone. My question still stands. When Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, does that play suck?
I'll wait patiently for your answer...
Depends on which team scores the TD :paranoid
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 02:45:38 PM
as far as the running game for the season, i think there probably was some stubborness there, but he needs to keep it up now.
Actually, I think the running game was in the game plan, but opposing defenses dictated the progression of the gameplan. I honestly think that AR does not have an original thought during the game - if it isn't on that little chart of his, he doesn't do it. All he's done is move running plays from situations that we weren't seeing to situations that we did.
When Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, does that play suck?
roy williams says 'no'
Quote from: Cerevant on November 15, 2005, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 15, 2005, 02:00:10 PM
I'm not defending anything or anyone. My question still stands. When Andy calls a play that results in a touchdown, does that play suck?
I'll wait patiently for your answer...
Depends on which team scores the TD :paranoid
:-D
i really wish that wasnt funny
Quote from: Cerevant on November 15, 2005, 03:18:28 PM
Actually, I think the running game was in the game plan, but opposing defenses dictated the progression of the gameplan. I honestly think that AR does not have an original thought during the game - if it isn't on that little chart of his, he doesn't do it. All he's done is move running plays from situations that we weren't seeing to situations that we did.
STFU. We lost the game you did not take it away. We choked, D-Nice handed the game away on a bonehead read on a bone-head call (pass) in the first place. Nothing Dallas did confused Philly, Parcells did no "super Awesome" adjustments. Lito got torched in single coverage when he was effective all night prior to that. Dallass get's no credit and no love----peace.
Quote from: JailBird-man on November 15, 2005, 05:23:42 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 15, 2005, 03:18:28 PM
Actually, I think the running game was in the game plan, but opposing defenses dictated the progression of the gameplan. I honestly think that AR does not have an original thought during the game - if it isn't on that little chart of his, he doesn't do it. All he's done is move running plays from situations that we weren't seeing to situations that we did.
STFU. We lost the game you did not take it away. We choked, D-Nice handed the game away on a bonehead read on a bone-head call (pass) in the first place. Nothing Dallas did confused Philly, Parcells did no "super Awesome" adjustments. Lito got torched in single coverage when he was effective all night prior to that. Dallass get's no credit and no love----peace.
Dude... Cerevant's an EAGLES fan. When he's saying "we" he means his fellow Eagles fans, not the Cowboys.
:-D
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 02:58:20 PM
I fell asleep twice during that goddamned movie. It sucked monkey balls. The beginning of the end for DeNiro.
Clearly you need to snort more cola.
My friends and I used to snort chilled vodka. It's called a 'chilly willy.' It makes half of your face numb and is extremely painful. I highly recommend it.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 05:59:50 PM
My friends and I used to snort chilled vodka. It's called a 'chilly willy.' It makes half of your face numb and is extremely painful. I highly recommend it.
Seldom does anyone see a pure icehole..... but you are the purist form of icehole that exists
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 05:59:50 PM
My friends and I used to snort chilled vodka. It's called a 'chilly willy.' It makes half of your face numb and is extremely painful. I highly recommend it.
I have a new signature thanks to you.
:yay
I'm glad I could be of assistance, Rome.
The absurdity and stupidity of it is exquisitely sublime.
I have a bottle of Grey Goose in the freezer and I swear, if our child was at the babysitter right now, I'd so be trying it with the wife.
:yay :yay
I can't claim that it was my idea originally. But I can claim to have done it enough to have wiped out a significant portion of my frontal lobe.
What did you do, shove the bottle neck up there?
Quote from: General_Failure on November 15, 2005, 06:41:09 PM
What did you do, shove the bottle neck up there?
Up where? :-\
His nose.
Oh yeah, I knew that. :paranoid
I love how McNabb was great before the interception and as soon as the play happpened, they boo'
ed him. What a bunch of backstabbers. Next question.
Oh, and didn't they put a franchise tag on him?
Either way if it was a bad throw and/or wrong pattern run, it was a bad play call in that situation.
Run the ball Andy!
If you wind up punting trust your D to hold them to a FG and you still win the game.
I still don't understand that play call at all.
As I understand it, a rookie wide receiver is in charge of what route to run (hitch or fly) dependent a proper coverage read, and the QB needs to make the same read to throw the correct pass.
Good play if you're getting killed by the blitz and trailing and need to take a gamble. But when you are up 6 with only a few minutes to go.
I just don't get it? Why not a draw or sweep or a counter running play, even a screen?!?
Someone please explain....
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on November 15, 2005, 09:23:18 PM
I love how McNabb was great before the interception and as soon as the play happpened, they boo'
ed him. What a bunch of backstabbers. Next question.
I was pissed at all the boos after McNabb went back out on the field. It certainly sucked. I wanted McMahon in too, but McNabb didn't need to be booed. But hey, i don't know shtein.
As much as I thought Reid should have run the ball in that situation, I'm certainly not calling for him to be fired. However, I asked this question on the EMB last night and when I went to bed, I still hadn't recieved any replies:
What qualified HC and QB would you bring in here, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN THE OFFSEASON, THAT WOULD GUARANTEE THE EAGLES TO WIN THE NEXT SUPERBOWL?
That's what all of these "fire Reid and get rid of McNabb" fans want, don't they? They want to fire the two men who have helped restore some Eagles pride in the last few years. They want to win the Super Bowl NOW, but as I survey the NFL landscape, I don't see many coaches who would be fired this year or many assistant coaches, or many QBs that would be available to take this franchise and win the SUPER BOWL NEXT YEAR.
As the old saying goes--"be careful what you wish for, for you might get it".
I'd rather have Gruden right now than Reid. I know the Bucs haven't been all that since their Superbowl, but at least he won a Superbowl. I think Gruden is great at playcalling and I think he's the best in football at developing QBs. McNabb would be so amazing under Gruden.
I'll take Reid over anyone right now. Guys a stud. Anyone that can win a job because he has a huge notebook is fine by me. farg Gruden, he coached the Bucs...farg him.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 02:43:25 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 15, 2005, 02:40:39 PM
i think Andy is pretty good at putting together a gameplan during the week. and if the game goes according to plan, he has a good pace and rythem to his calls. but, when the defense does things he wasn't expecting, he is stopped in his tracks. the calls come in late, the plays have no flow. he isn't able to make the key in-game adjustments that are necessary.
Raging agreement boners.
I concur.
Quote from: The Waco Kid on November 15, 2005, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: FreakisaKearseWord on November 15, 2005, 09:23:18 PM
I love how McNabb was great before the interception and as soon as the play happpened, they boo'
ed him. What a bunch of backstabbers. Next question.
I was pissed at all the boos after McNabb went back out on the field. It certainly sucked. I wanted McMahon in too, but McNabb didn't need to be booed. But hey, i don't know shtein.
I hardly ever boo players of my teams either, unless they really really strike a nerve, but it's all a way of expressing this town's drought of championships. Philly never likes their QBs. Philly would boo Peyton Manning too because he chokes in the playoffs. The only QB Philly wouldn't boo is Brady because he wins titles, and Brady would be a savior here. It's just a very tough town for QBs.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:07:26 AM
I'd rather have Gruden right now than Reid. I know the Bucs haven't been all that since their Superbowl, but at least he won a Superbowl. I think Gruden is great at playcalling and I think he's the best in football at developing QBs. McNabb would be so amazing under Gruden.
So, we're GUARANTEED to win a Super Bowl under Gruden? A man who took Dungy's team and won one for the Bucs. Since he's had his own boys in there, they have sucked. Gibbs has won a Super Bowl, want him? How about Barry Fargin' Switzer or George Frickin' Seifert?
The Eagles have had alot of key injuries, team chemistry was farged up by TO and all the selfish "We-went-to-the-superbowl-so-I-deserve-more-money" bullshtein. blaming Reid and McNabb is ridiculous. Reid should turn over the offense to his OC and be the head coach, he is the best in the league at doing that.
I felt from day one that Donovan should have had the surgery on his hernia and allowed a backup to try and get us to the playoffs. McNabb would have been ready then and we might have still had a chance. Now, its all about learning from this, preparing for the draft and restoring team chemistry. Say Reid and McNabb should go just shows how quickly we forget the past.
At least we'll get a higher draft pick!