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Title: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: BigEd76 on November 09, 2005, 10:34:49 AM
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Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: rjs246 on November 09, 2005, 10:35:44 AM
Can he run-block?
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 10:37:14 AM
hopefully this is the end of the hank fraley era
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 10:37:21 AM
QuoteDarilek would seem the logical choice to fill in at center, although that is not absolutely certain. Jamaal Jackson has been signed from the practice squad to the active roster and will compete for playing time.

Jackson is in his third season in Philadelphia after spending last season on the Injured Reserve list. A rookie free agent signing from nearby Delaware State in 2003, Jackson earned a spot on the Eagles practice squad that year and was promoted to the 53-man roster for the playoffs.

The Eagles also announced that linebacker Jason Short (fibula) has been placed on Injured Reserve. The team also signed Dominic Furio, a seventh-round draft pick in 2004, to the practice squad, and added linebacker Dedrick Roper from the Steelers practice squad to the Eagles' 53-man active roster.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Mad-Lad on November 09, 2005, 10:37:56 AM
I remember when Fraley was thrust into the starting lineup when Bubba went down.  It was far less painful than i had expected.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 10:38:17 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 09, 2005, 10:37:56 AM
I remember when Fraley was thrust into the starting lineup when Bubba went down.  It was far less painful than i had expected.

Except for that first snap.  :-D
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Mad-Lad on November 09, 2005, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 10:38:17 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 09, 2005, 10:37:56 AM
I remember when Fraley was thrust into the starting lineup when Bubba went down.  It was far less painful than i had expected.

Except for that first snap.  :-D

well yeah, but i kind of expected an entire game of mishaps.  STUPID RAMS!
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: rjs246 on November 09, 2005, 10:40:22 AM
War Dedrick Roper!

Seriously, can this guy make a special teams tackle?

Run blocking and special teams are my big concerns with all of this crap.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 10:43:35 AM
War Dedrick Roper!

Seriously, can this guy make a special teams tackle?



he better because they are committed to him for at least three games
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 10:43:39 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 09, 2005, 10:37:56 AM
I remember when Fraley was thrust into the starting lineup when Bubba went down.  It was far less painful than i had expected.

Blocking is the easy part at center. Keep in mind there is a rookie on the right side. Fraley had a quality education fro Robert Morris. Center is without a doubt the most cerebral position on the field.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Wingspan on November 09, 2005, 10:44:02 AM
maybe the new center knows what a 3-4 defense is.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 10:46:44 AM
Center is without a doubt the most cerebral position on the field.

not even close

Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 10:47:01 AM
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 09, 2005, 10:37:56 AMIt was far less painful than i had expected.

The Eagles got lucky that Fraley stepped in and did as well as he did, for so long.  An undrafted free agent who started for four years missing almost no games.  The guy came cheap as dirt and played way way above expectations.

I'm a Fraley fan, sorry to see him hurt.  The O-line will suffer considerably without him.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Wingspan on November 09, 2005, 10:58:10 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 10:47:01 AM
I'm a Fraley fan, sorry to see him hurt.  The O-line will suffer considerably without him.

we heard the same thing when steve everitt was let go, and then again when miller was gone...i have a feeling this will not be much different.

Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 09, 2005, 11:07:28 AM
I guess they really didn't like what they saw in Labinjo to not bring him back after Short goes on IR.

I'm rooting for Jamaal to be our starting C.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: MURP on November 09, 2005, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 09, 2005, 11:07:28 AM
I guess they really didn't like what they saw in Labinjo to not bring him back after Short goes on IR.


you must have missed the reason why they let him go.  He was showing up late and not working real hard .  Trotter had talked to him several times and Labinjo didnt get it. 
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 09, 2005, 11:10:39 AM
Quote from: MURP on November 09, 2005, 11:09:17 AM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 09, 2005, 11:07:28 AM
I guess they really didn't like what they saw in Labinjo to not bring him back after Short goes on IR.


you must have missed the reason why they let him go.  He was showing up late and not working real hard .  Trotter had talked to him several times and Labinjo didnt get it. 

Duh that's right.  Stupid Canadian.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 10:46:44 AM
Center is without a doubt the most cerebral position on the field.

not even close



It is now painfully obvious that you know nothing about football.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 11:16:50 AM
Good news? Fraley won't be able to be eaten alive by Jason Ferguson and LaRoi Glover on Monday night.

Bad news? Donovan loses they guy who he has built a good rapport with. The Eagles lose the guy who makes the line calls (blocking adjustments) and that is a BIG problem.

I'm not high on Darilek, but I'm rooting for him.

I also would like to see Jackson step in, but Darilek gets the shot first.

And what happened to Greg Richmond being activated from the PUP?!? Who's this Roper dude?
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 10:46:44 AM
Center is without a doubt the most cerebral position on the field.

not even close



It is now painfully obvious that you know nothing about football.

There are three important thinkers on the field for any given snap.  The most important is the Center. After that, y'all can bicker over QB v. MLB (or whever calls the D for a particular team).
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:15:02 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 10:46:44 AM
Center is without a doubt the most cerebral position on the field.

not even close



It is now painfully obvious that you know nothing about football.

There are three important thinkers on the field for any given snap.  The most important is the Center. After that, y'all can bicker over QB v. MLB (or whever calls the D for a particular team).

Thank you
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 11:21:43 AM
From my "source".

"Jamaal Jackson is 100 times better at center right now than Fraley. I think he's going to start this week, not Darilek"
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: SunMo on November 09, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
QB is above the center, to think otherwise is silly
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
QB is above the center, to think otherwise is silly

You are mistaken.  Again.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 11:23:40 AM
Jamaal Jackson is a guy who I was high on until he keot getting hurt. Let's hope he can stay healthy for more than 20 minutes this time.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: SunMo on November 09, 2005, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 11:21:43 AM
From my "source".

"Jamaal Jackson is 100 times better at center right now than Fraley. I think he's going to start this week, not Darilek"

100 times?  if so, why was he on the practice squad, not even backing up Fraley?  injury?
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: SunMo on November 09, 2005, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
QB is above the center, to think otherwise is silly

You are mistaken.  Again.

yeah, the guy who has to read the entire defense, not just the d-line doesn't have to think as much as the center.  stop being dumb.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 11:26:37 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 09, 2005, 11:21:43 AM
From my "source".

"Jamaal Jackson is 100 times better at center right now than Fraley. I think he's going to start this week, not Darilek"

100 times?  if so, why was he on the practice squad, not even backing up Fraley?  injury?

Yes, he was injured...a few times.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 11:24:50 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 11:23:31 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 09, 2005, 11:22:00 AM
QB is above the center, to think otherwise is silly

You are mistaken.  Again.

yeah, the guy who has to read the entire defense, not just the d-line doesn't have to think as much as the center.  stop being dumb.

BS, a bad read by a QB USUALLY results in a play being less than optimal. A bad read by a center results in a loss of yardage.

You must look at the total risk assesment. Certainly a bad read by a QB may result in a turn over OCCASIONALLY. Normally, the bad read just changes the positive yards. A centers bad read puts defensive players in the O backfield all the time.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 11:31:06 AM
1. QB
1a. Center
2. MLB
3. RB
4. WR

In order of smarts needed
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: SunMo on November 09, 2005, 11:31:25 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 11:31:06 AM
1. QB
1a. Center
2. MLB
3. RB
4. WR

In order of smarts needed

VINDICATION!
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 11:31:47 AM
QB is above the center, to think otherwise is silly

why do you even waste your time
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: SunMo on November 09, 2005, 11:31:49 AM
i would put safety above WR though
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: SunMo on November 09, 2005, 11:32:07 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 11:31:47 AM
QB is above the center, to think otherwise is silly

why do you even waste your time


pad my post count?
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: ice grillin you on November 09, 2005, 11:32:52 AM
good point
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:36:06 AM
I would put just about every position before RB and WR. Look at the NFL. What position have most of the top coaches played?
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 09, 2005, 11:39:15 AM
FYI:  Richmond apparently isn't quite healthy enough to bust heads on special teams.

I'm excited about seeing Jackson get a shot, and I hope he does.  I know they kept Darilek on the roster, because he can play all three interior line spots, and he's been healthy a lot more than Jackson... but Jackson is much more of a mauler and was even pushing Hank before his injury.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Diomedes on November 09, 2005, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 11:31:06 AM
1. QB
1a. Center

I'd reverse these two, and leave the others the way you have them.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:36:06 AM
I would put just about every position before RB and WR. Look at the NFL. What position have most of the top coaches played?

RB & WR need to not only know the playbook very well but they need to be on the same page as the QB when it comes to sight adjustment routes, hot reads, blitz pickups etc...

QB & C must be smart.

Dumb QBs = zesty QBs
Dumb C's = dead QB's
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:40:20 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 09, 2005, 11:39:15 AM
FYI:  Richmond apparently isn't quite healthy enough to bust heads on special teams.

I'm excited about seeing Jackson get a shot, and I hope he does.  I know they kept Darilek on the roster, because he can play all three interior line spots, and he's been healthy a lot more than Jackson... but Jackson is much more of a mauler and was even pushing Hank before his injury.

That's great to hear.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: MDS on November 09, 2005, 11:51:14 AM
i think we need steve everitt to break his foot again. like old times.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 09, 2005, 11:51:55 AM
That was a great free agent pickup.  Him and Jaime Asher.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on November 09, 2005, 11:56:22 AM
Good PG, I want me some Jamaal.  Maybe we can run the ball now.  But I agree, Dallas coming at us with 9 in the box and one of those two trying to figure it out and call it could be trouble.  At least it's at home.  Hopefully Dallas doens't rape our A gap and use their CB's as DE's and DE's outside their CB's on the LOS.  Fruit loops.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 09, 2005, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: stillupfront on November 09, 2005, 11:36:06 AM
I would put just about every position before RB and WR. Look at the NFL. What position have most of the top coaches played?

RB & WR need to not only know the playbook very well but they need to be on the same page as the QB when it comes to sight adjustment routes, hot reads, blitz pickups etc...

QB & C must be smart.

Dumb QBs = zesty QBs
Dumb C's = dead QB's

Yea, Ricky Williams Terrill Owens and Randy Moss are Mensa members.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Larry on November 09, 2005, 12:05:28 PM
Reid will probably have to cut down on the fancy plays and such...Dallas will send 8 & 9-man blitzes again, so I think we'll see lots of running and screen passes.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: SunMo on November 09, 2005, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: Larry on November 09, 2005, 12:05:28 PM
Reid will probably have to cut down on the fancy plays and such...Dallas will send 8 & 9-man blitzes again, so I think we'll see lots of running and screen passes.

i don't understand why they haven't run screens more this year.  they used to be so good at it, but this year they haven't used them this much.  they ran one I can remember against the skins and Westbrook got good yards on it.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: Larry on November 09, 2005, 12:21:49 PM
The screens have been less successful.  Either Westbrook gets stuffed, or if he does get good yardage, an ill-timed penalty usually wipes out the gain.
Title: Re: Fraley on IR, Darilek starting vs Dallas
Post by: MadMarchHare on November 09, 2005, 12:22:47 PM
They were quite effective against Washington.