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Title: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: bobbyinlondon on November 07, 2005, 10:13:12 AM
I've long been a supporter of the front office because of the way they do things and 95% of the time, they got things right. I'd say that out of what, 70 players that have left the organization since 2000, 3 have had outstanding years for their new teams, and those three only had ONE outstanding year for their new team. When they signed FAs, they were judicious in their spending on UFAs, preferring to develop their draftees.

However, if this year ends without a playoff appearance (I'm NOT jacking in the season at 4-4), I believe they really need to sit down and review how they build this team, at least to get one SB win. I've always said that I'd rather have a team that contends every year than one that wins one SB, followed by 5 years of losing. I think the Eagles can do that, because of the way the structure their contracts. I don't believe they'll fall in the way that the Titans, Bucs, Ravens, Cowboys, taterskins and a few other teams have--overspend lavishly on FAs, go to the playoffs and then be cap strapped for 3 or 4 years.

I know that this is wishful thinking, but with an estimated 20-30M under the cap next year, and with what, only 3 Eagles that are going to be UFAs, and another three that will be RFAs, there's no reason they can't sign at least 4 quality FAs to supplement what we have--(WR, OL, DL, OLB).
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: ice grillin you on November 07, 2005, 10:15:14 AM
reid has to go as coach...hes pathetic in games and sucks the life out of any team hes around...he did his job getting this team to where it is but its time to move on
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Zanshin on November 07, 2005, 10:16:26 AM
They do what they can to win the Super Bowl now.  It's not like you pick off of a menu and get to win the Super Bowl.  Look how well that's worked for the taterskins.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Zanshin on November 07, 2005, 10:19:11 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 07, 2005, 10:15:14 AM
reid has to go as coach...hes pathetic in games and sucks the life out of any team hes around...he did his job getting this team to where it is but its time to move on

Yeah, the odds of that are about as good as you getting the job when they give him the axe.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 07, 2005, 10:13:12 AMwith what, only 3 Eagles that are going to be UFAs, and another three that will be RFAs...

Unrestricted: Runyan, Kalu, Adams, Gordon, McCants, J.Thomas, Moreno, Cortez, Hodges
Restricted: D.Johnson, Hood, Mahe, Jenkins, Mikell
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2005, 10:48:13 AM
Well atleast Mahe is somewhat protected and we don't have to worry about another team snatching him right out from under us.  There would be no point in watching them next year if that happened. 
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 10:48:41 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 10:45:10 AM

Unrestricted: Runyan, Kalu, Adams, Gordon, McCants, J.Thomas, Moreno, Cortez, Hodges
Restricted: D.Johnson, Hood, Mahe, Jenkins, Mikell


The players in bold could get tossed in a flaming pit of feces and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Mad-Lad on November 07, 2005, 10:50:19 AM
I'd take Hood back.  Don't resign Adams though.  The LBs need improvement.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 07, 2005, 10:53:09 AM
Out of the unrestricteds, I only see possibly Gordon, J. Thomas, and Moreno back.  Dirk, Hood, and Mikell will probably be back too.  I hope to God that Mahe is NOT back, though.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Diomedes on November 07, 2005, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 07, 2005, 10:13:12 AMwith what, only 3 Eagles that are going to be UFAs, and another three that will be RFAs...

Unrestricted: Runyan, Kalu, Adams, Gordon, McCants, J.Thomas, Moreno, Cortez, Hodges
Restricted: D.Johnson, Hood, Mahe, Jenkins, Mikell

What is Michael Lewis' status?  Should he not be listed here?
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 07, 2005, 10:56:12 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on November 07, 2005, 10:54:08 AM
What is Michael Lewis' status?  Should he not be listed here?

His rookie contract actually runs through 2006.  He was frequently mentioned in extension talks, because the Eagles tend to re-do those contracts more than a year before they expire if they want to keep the player long-term.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: bobbyinlondon on November 07, 2005, 11:01:02 AM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 07, 2005, 10:13:12 AMwith what, only 3 Eagles that are going to be UFAs, and another three that will be RFAs...

Unrestricted: Runyan, Kalu, Adams, Gordon, McCants, J.Thomas, Moreno, Cortez, Hodges
Restricted: D.Johnson, Hood, Mahe, Jenkins, Mikell


I knew about Kalu, Adams, and Runyan, but forgot about the guys that they signed since the end of the preseason.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 03:47:08 PM
Mahe will probably be back.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Feva on November 07, 2005, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 10:53:09 AM
Out of the unrestricteds, I only see possibly Gordon, J. Thomas, and Moreno back.  Dirk, Hood, and Mikell will probably be back too.  I hope to God that Mahe is NOT back, though.
Yup.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 07, 2005, 03:54:21 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 07, 2005, 03:51:22 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 10:53:09 AM
Out of the unrestricteds, I only see possibly Gordon, J. Thomas, and Moreno back.  Dirk, Hood, and Mikell will probably be back too.  I hope to God that Mahe is NOT back, though.
Yup.

McCants might be back now, also... if he can work in some reps and look good as the season goes on.  Doubt it.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 03:55:14 PM
The way I see it, McCants = McMullen. Why not keep both?
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 07, 2005, 03:55:59 PM
The difference is that McCants is quasi-intellectual, and McMullen can't even fake it.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 03:57:05 PM
Dear god, isn't that the truth.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: SunMo on November 07, 2005, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 03:57:05 PM
Dear god, isn't that the truth.

Dear rjs,

yes.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
The philosophical change is this:

This regime will never sign another questionable character guy again. They took their shot on TO and it blew up like a firecracker in their hand.

Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 07, 2005, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
This regime will never sign another questionable character guy again. They took their shot on TO and it blew up like a firecracker in their hand.

The good news is that very few star WR's are headcases.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: SunMo on November 07, 2005, 04:01:42 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 07, 2005, 04:00:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
This regime will never sign another questionable character guy again. They took their shot on TO and it blew up like a firecracker in their hand.

The good news is that very few star WR's are headcases.
:-D
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Tomahawk on November 07, 2005, 05:08:30 PM
GET TORRY HOLT!!!
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 07, 2005, 05:10:08 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 07, 2005, 05:08:30 PM
GET TORRY HOLT!!!

That should be pretty easy.  He's only signed through 2009.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Tomahawk on November 07, 2005, 05:11:50 PM
[TO_is_GOD]I don't care what it takes. This team needs a true number one receiver after stupidly giving up on the best in the game. I won't rest until they get Holt.[/TO_is_GOD]
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 07, 2005, 05:12:40 PM
Who had the "bold prediction" that T.O. would still be an Eagle in 2006-2007?  Ha!
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Larry on November 07, 2005, 06:48:42 PM
We may not take any more headcases, but we sure like to gamble on the injured...

Javon Walker in 2006 :-*
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Magical_Retard on November 07, 2005, 07:15:40 PM
what FA WRs are on the horizon? i think we still need to bring a WR.


and our LBs need a overhaul.


Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: WEST is GOD on November 07, 2005, 11:18:30 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 07, 2005, 05:11:50 PM
[TO_is_GOD]I don't care what it takes. This team needs a true number one receiver after stupidly giving up on the best in the game. I won't rest until they get Holt.[/TO_is_GOD]

Not a Holt fan, sorry.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Magical_Retard on November 08, 2005, 12:37:52 AM
IMO holt is prolly the most underrated WR in the league. he produces every single yr, never causes trouble and comes thru.

too bad he is a ram 4 life and getting up there in age.


det has some great talent which they can never utilize.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: JTrotter Fan on November 08, 2005, 12:45:04 AM
In other news, Reggie Wayne had a big night.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2005, 12:49:02 AM
Reggie Wayne = product of the Colts system & Marvin Harrison playng alongside him.

When I see Wayne I think of him as Peerless Price in Buffalo with Eric moulds.

Some team (and hopefully not the Eagles) are going to pay him a load of cash.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: rjs246 on November 08, 2005, 08:32:50 AM
Quote from: Magical_Retard on November 08, 2005, 12:37:52 AM
IMO holt is prolly the most underrated WR in the league. he produces every single yr, never causes trouble and comes thru.

too bad he is a ram 4 life and getting up there in age.


That bold part would explain why TO_is_GOD/Avenger/Monster isn't a Holt fan. He only likes shteinhead egomaniacs.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 08, 2005, 08:50:12 AM
I think Reggie Wayne and Reggie Brown across the field from each other, with Lewis in the slot, would be solid.

But he's not going to be worth what he'll cost, as Phreak said.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: rjs246 on November 08, 2005, 08:52:56 AM
Is it entirely out of the realm of possibility that Brown could evolve into a viable number one receiver? That hasn't even been floated as a possibility...
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on November 08, 2005, 09:08:00 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 08, 2005, 08:52:56 AM
Is it entirely out of the realm of possibility that Brown could evolve into a viable number one receiver? That hasn't even been floated as a possibility...

Don't chase it, man.  It's possible, but don't chase it.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: MadMarchHare on November 08, 2005, 12:03:32 PM
farg that.  McMullen, #1 of the future.  Can't teach big (of course, with Billa, you really can't teach much of anything).

Here's the starting lineup of the future:

1:  McMullen
2:  Brown
3:  Lewis

Says Reid, "I have confidence in the guys we have on the field."
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: mikey418 on November 08, 2005, 12:48:38 PM
Brown and McMullen looked good on Sunday night....no drops....
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: Magical_Retard on November 08, 2005, 01:12:36 PM
yeah but how many flanker screens did we have to run because reid suspected they would get open down the field?

how many times did mcnabb have tons of time but nowhere to throw to? yeah they played well and brown might even emerge as an #1 and lewis is solid but looking ahead to nxt yr just for a sec i want them to bring in a proven commodity. muhsin mohammed on this team would be awesome. he is big and makes the tough catches and gets open.
Title: Re: IMHO, the Birds need to make a philosophical shift in the FO
Post by: WEST is GOD on November 08, 2005, 03:58:53 PM
I'm not sure Wayne will cost all that much. If his numbers continue he'll barely crack 1,000 yards if that for the season. I don't think a team will way overpay.