What is up with all these jokers? Can't they see that we have a great QB and the problem is gameplan, not the QB?
I am an optimist, but I've been calling for Reids' head for 3 seasons now. I'm starting to think we'll miss the playoffs this year, Reid will be given a free pass because of the success we've had, and we'll miss the playoffs again next year. All this could be solved by a good running game to take pressure off of McNabb and the wafer thin defense.
Solution: Turn off the radio.
Exactly. WIP causes brain damage.
Quote from: NextLevel on November 02, 2005, 12:48:47 AM
What is up with all these jokers? Can't they see that we have a great QB and the problem is gameplan, not the QB?
I am an optimist, but I've been calling for Reids' head for 3 seasons now. I'm starting to think we'll miss the playoffs this year, Reid will be given a free pass because of the success we've had, and we'll miss the playoffs again next year. All this could be solved by a good running game to take pressure off of McNabb and the wafer thin defense.
what was it like calling for reids head the week leading up to the superbowl? ::)
The problems come from both the gameplan and the injury.
its mostly the injury...but what reid has failed at and whats hes failed at in his whole career is adjusting his course of action...the injury should have long ago forced him to change his gameplan...and he simply hasnt done that...in fact hes gotten worse with it...which is baffling beyond belief
I haven't listened in over a week to anything but Jolovitz's show on Fri & Sat nights.
I did catch Cataldi ripping McNabb on his TV show but I turned it off.
McNabb catches too much heat in this town. It baffles me why Ron Jaworski is a God here and Donovan is blasted so much.
Same with Buddy vs. Reid.
Of course that screechy voiced, ugly and annoying mother farger was going to bash McNabb.
He was just WAITING for a chance to do so. Just like the start of 2003, and the Super Bowl. He THRIVES on it.
He's digusting.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 08:43:16 AMMcNabb catches too much heat in this town. It baffles me why Ron Jaworski is a God here and Donovan is blasted so much.
Because Jaws isn't playing any more, dummy.
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Slurp.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 08:43:16 AM
It baffles me why Ron Jaworski is a God here
i was too young to see him play, but i always remember hearing that he was booed too when he played.
I hear the same thing too. But now he's looked at as a genius. Him, Vermiel and Buddy Ryan are all legends here.
But Reid and McNabb have equaled what Vermiel and Jaws did and Reid surpassed Buddy in a year and yet McNabb is ripped for being too passive, they say he's not smart that he's not a leader and all of that stupid shtein.
Sometimes I wonder if some fans would be more happy with a losing coach who speaks his mind versus a winning coach who keeps his thoughts to himself and the team because he refuses to throw a guy under the bus.
jaws was booed mercilessly...the difference is he didnt pout and hold it against the fans...he bucked up...of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
i like mcnabb...moreso than jaworski even...but he does have some leadership and mental toughness issues
yeah...that sissy only played 1 game on a broken leg...ONLY ONE GAME!
McNabb has done wonderful stuff for this team. So has Reid. But come on, they clearly shtein the bed occassionally. Reid and clock management is a weekly nightmare. McNabb has farged up on basic shtein the last couple of weeks. Eating that sack in SD for instance, costing us a FG. Throwing to LJ in the middle of the field, costing us another FG. That farging pick in Denver which had no right being thrown. Throw it away, get the 3 points, maintain momentum (and to all the people saying he should've thrown to Gordon, can it; he obviously was pretty low on the progression, I can't fault McNabb for missing him). Gotta have game awareness, and McNabb clearly loses that focus from time to time. Maybe he just thinks he can always make a play, but he needs to play smarter sometimes.
Quote.of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
BS. Way to throw race into it, Rush.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 02, 2005, 09:36:29 AM
McNabb has done wonderful stuff for this team. So has Reid. But come on, they clearly shtein the bed occassionally. Reid and clock management is a weekly nightmare. McNabb has farged up on basic shtein the last couple of weeks. Eating that sack in SD for instance, costing us a FG. Throwing to LJ in the middle of the field, costing us another FG. That farging pick in Denver which had no right being thrown. Throw it away, get the 3 points, maintain momentum (and to all the people saying he should've thrown to Gordon, can it; he obviously was pretty low on the progression, I can't fault McNabb for missing him). Gotta have game awareness, and McNabb clearly loses that focus from time to time. Maybe he just thinks he can always make a play, but he needs to play smarter sometimes.
That's, like, really good analysis. Stop with the smart stuff; you're not fitting in here!
Sorry, too much school......Way too much school *shudder*
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 02, 2005, 09:45:06 AM
Quote.of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
BS. Way to throw race into it, Rush.
He's right. As ridiculous and embarassing as it is, you hear that a lot around here. I think it is embarassing as an Eagle fan when I hear a moron on the radio bring it up or when I;m in a bar and some shteinhead says "If we had a white QB...."
I hate the race issue. I don't understand it at all and it makes me sick that people still think like this.
yeah, logic on CF is a no-no
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 02, 2005, 09:45:06 AM
Quote.of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
BS. Way to throw race into it, Rush.
He's right. As ridiculous and embarassing as it is, you hear that a lot around here. I think it is embarassing as an Eagle fan when I hear a moron on the radio bring it up or when I;m in a bar and some shteinhead says "If we had a white QB...."
I hate the race issue. I don't understand it at all and it makes me sick that people still think like this.
Phreak you feel a large segment of the Eagle fan base thinks that way? I'm not ignorant to the fact that there is still racism in this country, there always will be. I find it a bit reckless to throw out a statement like that.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 02, 2005, 09:28:49 AM
jaws was booed mercilessly...the difference is he didnt pout and hold it against the fans...he bucked up...of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
i like mcnabb...moreso than jaworski even...but he does have some leadership and mental toughness issues
Sometimes I find myself wishing that Donovan would be the all-american guy who still doesn't harbor resentment towards the fan base for what Cataldi and his group of 30 morons did. Sometimes I wish he'd show his funny side with the local media so we could see more of the real Donovan like he does with the national guys.
But in the end it is all about winning and producing on that field. That is the bottom line and what really matters to me as a fan. And 5 is the guy who wins ballgames. The guy flat out wins and I love that about him.
Truth be told, I am proud to have McNabb as the QB here.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 02, 2005, 09:28:49 AM
jaws was booed mercilessly...the difference is he didnt pout and hold it against the fans...he bucked up...of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
i like mcnabb...moreso than jaworski even...but he does have some leadership and mental toughness issues
:-D
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 02, 2005, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 02, 2005, 09:45:06 AM
Quote.of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
BS. Way to throw race into it, Rush.
He's right. As ridiculous and embarassing as it is, you hear that a lot around here. I think it is embarassing as an Eagle fan when I hear a moron on the radio bring it up or when I;m in a bar and some shteinhead says "If we had a white QB...."
I hate the race issue. I don't understand it at all and it makes me sick that people still think like this.
Phreak you feel a large segment of the Eagle fan base thinks that way? I'm not ignorant to the fact that there is still racism in this country, there always will be. I find it a bit reckless to throw out a statement like that.
I can't put a number estimation on the portion of Eagles fans who think that way. That would be impossible to do.
But I'll tell you this. Since I moved back here in 2003 from Texas I hear this sentiment way too much from people. There's always going to be some dopes who bring it up because they are losers. But I hear it a lot around here, man. I heard it on Monday from a guy in the store when I was buying the Daily News. I hear it at the bars when we're talking Eagles. I hear it a lot and I hate when I do hear it. I hear it on the radio too.
I'll put it like this...I hear it way more than I ever thought i would. I thought Donovan would be loved here and I was shocked to find out exactly how many fans do not like him at all.
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 02, 2005, 09:53:42 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 02, 2005, 09:45:06 AM
Quote.of course theres a large segment of the eagle fan base whos going to root more for a big bearded everyman looking white guy over a brother...thats never going to change
BS. Way to throw race into it, Rush.
He's right. As ridiculous and embarassing as it is, you hear that a lot around here. I think it is embarassing as an Eagle fan when I hear a moron on the radio bring it up or when I;m in a bar and some shteinhead says "If we had a white QB...."
I hate the race issue. I don't understand it at all and it makes me sick that people still think like this.
Phreak you feel a large segment of the Eagle fan base thinks that way? I'm not ignorant to the fact that there is still racism in this country, there always will be. I find it a bit reckless to throw out a statement like that.
i don't know if it's the majority or not, but that segment sure is vocal at Eagles games. as soon as McNabb starts playing poorly its boos and slurs from a lot of people.
QuoteI'll put it like this...I hear it way more than I ever thought i would. I thought Donovan would be loved here and I was shocked to find out exactly how many fans do not like him at all.
Well I think I'm about as stunned as I can be. I have not lived in Philly for over 14 years, but that is sad, just sad.
Does anyone really give a shtein about skin color anymore?
I mean, come on guys. There's always going to be a small segment of the population that is hopelessly ignorant but I can't believe it's a majority or even a large minority.
Most people don't give a shtein about black or white any more than they care about Catholic or Protestant. I know I don't. When it concerns the Eagles, I care about performance on the field, period.
BS. Way to throw race into it, Rush
i didnt throw it out there the P'sOS that drop the bombs do it...its a valid explanation as to why jaws is beloved and mcnasty isnt...its not the only reason but its a significant one
the reason i say a large segment is for one if its only 5% of the fans that to meis large...
and i hear it around me everytime the eagles have a bad game...so how many people feel that way but dont say it??
He's right. As ridiculous and embarassing as it is, you hear that a lot around here. I think it is embarassing as an Eagle fan when I hear a moron on the radio bring it up or when I;m in a bar and some shteinhead says "If we had a white QB...."
I hate the race issue. I don't understand it at all and it makes me sick that people still think like this.
its infuriating...its sad...its embarrassing...its nauseating...and all that...
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 02, 2005, 09:57:25 AM
i don't know if it's the majority or not, but that segment sure is vocal at Eagles games. as soon as McNabb starts playing poorly its boos and slurs from a lot of people.
Really?
I can't believe people toss the "N" word out in the stands.
If so, that's pathetic and I just lost a lot of respect for my Eagles brethren.
:boo
Quote from: phillymic2000 on November 02, 2005, 09:59:34 AM
QuoteI'll put it like this...I hear it way more than I ever thought i would. I thought Donovan would be loved here and I was shocked to find out exactly how many fans do not like him at all.
Well I think I'm about as stunned as I can be. I have not lived in Philly for over 14 years, but that is sad, just sad.
i personally hate the average eagles fan because of this. i hear it a lot too. for a fanbase that likes to call themselves knowledgable and loyal, they sure do spew a lot of hatred for the worst of reasons. i happen to find the part of the fan base to be vile dispicable shteinheads. eagles fans can be an embarassment to themselves sometimes.
now i know this isnt really the majority of fans, but it is a majority of the vocal fans.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 02, 2005, 10:00:30 AM
Does anyone really give a shtein about skin color anymore?
I mean, come on guys. There's always going to be a small segment of the population that is hopelessly ignorant but I can't believe it's a majority or even a large minority.
Most people don't give a shtein about black or white any more than they care about Catholic or Protestant. I know I don't. When it concerns the Eagles, I care about performance on the field, period.
Skin color means nothing to me.
But it does to some idiots who root for the Eagles and say that we need a white QB because a black QB can't pick up Reid's offense.
When I hear it it makes me want to fight people.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 02, 2005, 10:03:03 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 02, 2005, 09:57:25 AM
i don't know if it's the majority or not, but that segment sure is vocal at Eagles games. as soon as McNabb starts playing poorly its boos and slurs from a lot of people.
Really?
I can't believe people toss the "N" word out in the stands.
If so, that's pathetic and I just lost a lot of respect for my Eagles brethren.
:boo
not necessarily the 'N' word, but other similar words.
In the past 10 years or so, I've probably attended in person either at the Vet, the Linc or at away games roughly 30 Eagles games.
I have never once heard a racial slur uttered from the fans around me. Not once, guys. Honestly.
I'm not saying that this kind of asinine and reprehensible behavior doesn't take place, though. I'm simply saying that I haven't heard it. I've heard a lot of shtein, especially after the NFCCG losses, but never anything racial. I don't think the people in my section would tolerate that kind of thing. In know I wouldn't.
I did hear someone refer to Pinky as a farging Hoyda after the loss to Carolina, though.
;)
i sat in the 700 level and i sit in a similar seat at the Linc. everybody is pretty brave up there, it's you typical mob mentality. i'm not sure where you sat those times rome, but i know up high they are pretty brave.
Really?
I can't believe people toss the "N" word out in the stands.
If so, that's pathetic and I just lost a lot of respect for my Eagles brethren.
dont get me wrong in no way am i trying portray the eagle fan base as racist...its not like you go to eagle games and cant get away from it...but it also isnt isolated incidents...i do agree with phreak in that its much more prevelant in bar talk and places other than the eagle games
its not like you are going to hear people screaming it towards mcnabb where the whole section can hear it...but its gets dropped regularly in conversations....often in the kind of conversation where someone is talking to the person next to him but really talking to everyone around them...i hear it in the bathroom lines too...again tho its not every game but its way more than it should be
what amazes me is the number of people that ignore it...whether it be out of uncomfortableness or agreement i dont know but not enough people oppose it...i always make a point of telling the person how much of an ignorant dumb farg they are and myself and my seatmmates have a couple times almost come to blows over it
My family's seats were in 302 and I had seats in 746 at the Vet.
Section 110 at the Linc.
Like I said, I witnessed boorish behavior and heard language that would make VP Cheney blush, but I never heard racial epithets being hurled around. The people in 302 had the same seats for 30 years. Everyone knew each other and if someone started up with that kind of crap, it would have been taken care in house, so to speak.
I only sat in the 746 seats a few times and found that people were high more than they were rowdy. Actually, I kinda liked that section because is was relatively mellow.
Section 110 is a Blue Blazer-type section, at least down low where I sit. Ironically, the first two rows usually have family members either from the Eagles or the opposition in them, and they're predominantly black, so I seriously doubt you'd hear much racial crap being spewed there.
Whatever the case, it's a fricken embarrassment if it's as bad as you guys say and I'm personally disgusted at the very thought of it.
Dont worry, as soon as McNabb retires everyone will realize just how good they had it with him. People forget the years of terrible QB's and attempt to compare McNabb with some fantasy world perfect QB that doesnt exist.
Quote from: MURP on November 02, 2005, 10:17:36 AM
Dont worry, as soon as McNabb retires everyone will realize just how good they had it with him. People forget the years of terrible QB's and attempt to compare McNabb with some fantasy world perfect QB that doesnt exist.
You mean Culpepper? Or wait, Tim Couch....no, sorry...Akili Smith?
Oh, you must mean Ricky Williams.
IGY - I think people ignore it because they're at the games to enjoy themselves, not get into confrontations with drunken louts.
More people should speak up, though. I'm with you there.
i have to admit that i was very disappointed when the guys in front of me started talking about how we'd never win the big one with a black QB. it seemed out of character for them so they could have been sarcastic, but still there are those in the stands that believe it's true.
Speaking of terribel QBs..
I was reading the official site the other day and they had a "where are they now" write-up on Brad Goebel.
No, I'm not joking.
:-D
I saw that too!
I thought it was some sort of gag put out there as a Halloween trick.
It wasn't.
:P
I lived 60 miles from Baylor and never realized he went there. Baylor sucks.
Although they've got Guy Morriss coaching them now. He's doing pretty good.
QuoteYou mean Culpepper? Or wait, Tim Couch....no, sorry...Akili Smith?
Oh, you must mean Ricky Williams.
:-D :-D
McNabb is a good QB whose injury is ruining his play. one thing i do have to blast him about is why he changed the things that make him so great like running to make plays instead of sitting in the pocket and taking bad sacks. He could be so much more if he just let his talents do the work instead of being like Reid and let his ego overwhelm his talent by going against the what everyone says.
Wait. McNabb is black?
I'll admit I wanted Akili Smith in that draft, and was a little surprised they took McNabb.
(Actually, I really wanted Tim Couch, but knew Cleveland would take him).
Oh well, at least I didn't want Ricky....
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 02, 2005, 10:36:59 AM
I'll admit I wanted Akili Smith in that draft, and was a little surprised they took McNabb.
(Actually, I really wanted Tim Couch, but knew Cleveland would take him).
Oh well, at least I didn't want Ricky....
my preference back then was 1) McNown :paranoid 2) McNabb 3)Culpepper
Growing up near Syracuse... I wanted McNabb.
Of course, his total undressing of my Wolverines his senior year helped me understand that he had all world talent.
I think I still had the Hoying experiment on the brain, and didn't want an option QB.
I remember the day McNabb was drafted and the Idiots booed him mercilessly. It had a profound effect on McNabb, and his demeanor towards Philly media, and even the fans, still is tinted with that summary rejection on draft day.
We can sit back and say that McNabb should be over it, but most of us have never been in his place. Was the booing racial? I don't think so, but being a Caucasian, I have never had the opportunity to experience the world from the African-American perspective. I have never, in the old Cherokee saying, walked a mile in McNabb moccasins. My family has seen some forms of racism (my great-grandfather was Cherokee), but I have never experienced that personally.
Philadelphia also has a penchant of battling its stars. Mike Schmidt and the Phillies fans had a very stormy relationship until the last few years of his career. I'm not sure if it's all racial- though I'm sure that some of it is. But I believe that McNabb may have read that into the draft reaction, perhaps based on his (or his family's) experiences, as we all tend to do.
Bottom line: McNabb has been a terrific QB for the Eagles. Is he a Hall of Famer? Perhaps someday, but not yet. He is, however, one of the main reasons for the team's success in the past five years.
WAR McNABB! ;D