Many folks have said that McNabb should go get the surgery because it would "only" be a 4-6 week absence despite the Eagles medical staff saying it would be possibly up to 12 weeks.
My opinion was that once you get cut on there are no guarantees especially with returning this season.
Well look at Dirk Johnson's case. He had the surgery before training camp, missed 6 weeks of action and here we are in week 9 and he is still being plagued by groin pain that is associated with that sports hernia.
If McNabb had the surgery, even after the Oakland game, there would be no guarantee that he'd be ready to go at all this year.
We're going to have to watch him struggle the rest of the year to warm up. We're not going to see him run. I know this has been said to the point of exhaustion, but Reid MUST get that running game going. We saw glimpses of it yesterday and the balanced attack worked (duh). And the defense needs to find their balls and play Eagle defense like they are known to.
And don't give me the "Booohoo we lost Simon & Burgess" crap. In 2003 we had Jim Flanigan, Frank Ferrara and Marco Coleman logging time at DE and no Jeremiah Trotter and they were still stopping teams.
Jim Johnson needs to adjust better and the uniy needs to step it the farg up.
Can I get an Amen?
Amen baby!
Cut him.
I will say this....Lito keeps playing like a little bitch. Sheldon Brown is holding it down. They should clone Brown.
Those people were idiots from the get go. The get surgery crowd has drifted off though. The new crowd is the "Start McMahon" crowd. At this point I'm not in that boat yet, because it's unknown how much the injury is affecting McNabb and how much of it is teams blitzing. If they fix the protection and start to run the ball and McNabb is still this bad then I'll want McMahon in there. He's better than AJ Feeley and AJ Feeley came here and won games.
Quote from: hbionic on October 31, 2005, 06:34:58 PM
I will say this....Lito keeps playing like a little bitch. Sheldon Brown is holding it down. They should clone Brown.
I wonder if the Pro Bowl berth went to Lito's noggin?
He was hurt yesterday and all, but jeez Lito...make a play!
Cut Tito. Move Mike Lewis to LB. Put Sheldon back at SS. Draft two new corners next year.
Is it possible that Lito is just exposed and is an average corner? I'm not necessarily saying he is, but it's a possibility. You need more than a couple years as a starter to prove yourself in this league.
Considering the fact that everyone has sucked on defense, I'm not quite ready to say Lito sucks. Trotter sucks, but I'll withhold judgement on Tito.
I think you secretly love you sum Five-Fo, GF. A subtle man crush is my opinion. :D
Seriously though...I think Lito tries to bait guys too much. Play the ball, Lito. The picks will come.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 06:48:52 PMI think Lito tries to bait guys too much. Play the ball, Lito.
...I'm assuming this is coming from personal trial and error? :o
Quote from: hbionic on October 31, 2005, 06:53:16 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 06:48:52 PMI think Lito tries to bait guys too much. Play the ball, Lito.
...I'm assuming this is coming from personal trial and error? :o
Negative, Senor.
It's verbatim from the "Hbionic Manual For The Gays"
Oh my God.
SportsCenter (Irvin and Ditka) saying that the Eagles would be undefeated with BRETT FAVRE at QB instead of McNabb.
:puke :puke
We need more interceptions, yeah, but not like that!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 06:57:08 PMNegative, Senor.
It's verbatim from the "Hbionic Manual For The Gays"
Which volume?
Now Cataldi says McNabb is not a leader, that he cannot audible and everything is his fault and the hernia is an excuse.
I forgot his show was on CSN on Mondays. Time to go back to ESPN.
Look, I love to hate on Tito as much as anyone else people but I got two words for y'all: sophomore slump.
As for McNabb, his situation was and continues to be a roll of the dice any way you slice it. You sit him, you risk the recovery time from the hernia and the very real possibility that he won't get healthy enough to play again during the season. You play him, you risk the injury hampering his performance and the possibility that it could worsen. Either way sucks but I personally think that the reason you're not hearing anything from the get surgery crowd is because the time to do it would have been right after the Dallas drubbing. Now we're too far into the season now for Nabby to have a really good chance of being able to play again so we might as well do what we can with what we've got. :P
PS It's amazing that JJ could get it done with Levon Kirkland and Barry Gardner then Nate Wayne and Simoneau after that. War Flanigan!
Sophomore slump?
2002 = rookie year
2005 = current year
2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 = 4 years
Regardless if he is a "sophomore starter" he's been here long enough to be fundamentally sound.
Not only what Phreak said...but also, its the way it looks on the field. When he gets burned it never looks like his best effort....ever. You see Brown fight and scrapping (oh shtein, I said scrapping) and laying it all out on the field....Lito just Randy Moss's it out there.
Lito does look average(like most corners) with no pass rush.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 07:08:37 PM
Sophomore slump?
2002 = rookie year
2005 = current year
2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 = 4 years
Regardless if he is a "sophomore starter" he's been here long enough to be fundamentally sound.
Har, har. If there were a I'm gonna kick you in the nuts! smiley I'd be all over that shtein right about now.
Anyway, Tito spent most of the 2002 season gimped and he didn't see much field time in '03 either because Downtown Sheldon Brown was doing such a fine job as nickel corner in Sheppard's absence. So while he's been here more than two years he's still got room to improve IMO. :flipoff
Quote from: hbionic on October 31, 2005, 07:12:24 PM
Not only what Phreak said...but also, its the way it looks on the field. When he gets burned it never looks like his best effort....ever. You see Brown fight and scrapping (oh shtein, I said scrapping) and laying it all out on the field....Lito just Randy Moss's it out there.
Look, chugger, you're putting me into a delicate situation here because once again I'm explaining Tito and I'm nowhere near his biggest fan but with that said his coverage style is Darrell Green all the way. So when he's doing well he looks like a million bucks (which is why he went to the Pro Bowl while our #1 corner stayed at home) but when he's farging up like now he looks like the second coming of Izell Jenkins. ;)
I was in the get cut now crowd, and still think he shoulda. My reasoning goes to the same place as RJS with TO getting hurt - if they had McMahon/Neckbeard in there, they'd run more, balancing the O. Yeah, McNabb might not get back this season, and would almost certainly come back too soon. But they'd have a more balanced offense for him to manage, and would be much better off.
Too late now.
the "this team doesn't miss simon & burgess" crowd are the real delusional idiots...have you people watched this defense get lit up over the past few weeks? have you seen them generate absolutely no pressure on the qb?
yeah...yeah...i know....simon is fat. ::)
Quote from: mhunt on October 31, 2005, 07:37:59 PM
the "this team doesn't miss simon & burgess" crowd are the real delusional idiots...have you people watched this defense get lit up over the past few weeks? have you seen them generate absolutely no pressure on the qb?
yeah...yeah...i know....simon is fat. ::)
Yeah because Burgess and Simon were so good at getting pressure last year, right?
Quote from: mhunt on October 31, 2005, 07:37:59 PMyeah...yeah...i know....simon is fat. ::)
How much pressure had either of them exerted to this point last year? I don't recall either of them doing much.
What's your next point?
was the pass rush better last year???
why yes, it was.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 31, 2005, 07:31:54 PM
I was in the get cut now crowd, and still think he shoulda. My reasoning goes to the same place as RJS with TO getting hurt - if they had McMahon/Neckbeard in there, they'd run more, balancing the O. Yeah, McNabb might not get back this season, and would almost certainly come back too soon. But they'd have a more balanced offense for him to manage, and would be much better off.
Too late now.
Yeah you can run more and balance the offense out, but when Neckbeard or McMahon are your QBs balance wouldn't mean shtein because the passing offense would be putrid.
What they need to do is balance the offense out
with McNabb in there. If he's throwing less, not getting smoked on every play because he has no time to read the defensive alignment and the OL not getting the job done then the offense would be fine with McNabb and his hernia in there.
We posted the same exact thing, for all intents and purposes, at the same time. How ghey.
if you people cannot see that the d-line is worse this year than it was last year, you're beyond hope.
i know some of you like to be overly optimistic & back the front office at all times but that's rifargingdiculous.
Quote from: mhunt on October 31, 2005, 07:48:05 PM
was the pass rush better last year???
why yes, it was.
Burgess had 2.5 sacks for the season, hunt. TWO AND A HALF.
Simon didn't decide that he was ready to play until they reduced his playing time and he got into shape in week 9.
if you can't see that Simon and Burgess weren't any better than Kalu and Patterson, you're beyond hope.
There, it's over. Next stupid argument, please.
This is all McDougle's fault. How dare he get shot and totally farg up Reid's plan?!
He should know better than to go into the "contain" neighborhoods, where the cops don't go. Except to score.
burgess is better than kalu....and they could have had simon AND patterson this year.
or maybe you enjoy seeing jaqua thomas getting more playing time.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 31, 2005, 07:51:55 PM
He should know better than to go into the "contain" neighborhoods, where the cops don't go. Except to score.
Just when I think you've turned into a humorless icehole, you pop out a comment like that. Thanks, Chief.
:-D
Thomas = DE
Patterson & Simon = DT
Kalu and Burgess are similar players.
But hey, because Derrick Burgess has 7 sacks in Oakland he's an all-pro right?
He didn't do shtein until the playoffs. And only because he was moved to LDE and had Vick funnelled to him.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 07:55:17 PM
Thomas = DE
Patterson & Simon = DT
Kalu and Burgess are similar players.
But hey, because Derrick Burgess has 7 sacks in Oakland he's an all-pro right?
He didn't do shtein until the playoffs. And only because he was moved to LDE and had Vick funnelled to him.
no kidding thomas is a de...and he wouldn't be on the field if they kept burgess. and yes, scoff all you like but burgess has 7 sacks...tied for 4th in the nfl. the entire eagles d-line has only 8.5.
i don't know why you feel obligated to keep making excuses for these personnel mistakes. they could have kept burgess & simon...and the D would have been better for it.
I was a huge Burgess fan his whole career here but to say we miss him now when signed a huge deal isnt right. Im sure the Eagles wanted him back, but not at that price. Oakland over payed for him at the time, it looks like a good deal now though.
Burgess didnt do anything from His 1st game in year 2 until the NFC championship game last year. Thats a span of over 30 games. He had 6 sacks his rookie year, 3 coming in one game and 2 more his 2nd year.
Plus, hes a pure LDE...which Freak is too.
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on October 31, 2005, 08:06:45 PM
I was a huge Burgess fan his whole career here but to say we miss him now when signed a huge deal isnt right. Im sure the Eagles wanted him back, but not at that price. Oakland over payed for him at the time, it looks like a good deal now though.
Burgess didnt do anything from His 1st game in year 2 until the NFC championship game last year. Thats a span of over 30 games. He had 6 sacks his rookie year, 3 coming in one game and 2 more his 2nd year.
Plus, hes a pure LDE...which Freak is too.
How dare you attempt to use common sense to deflate all of this Burgess blowing going on here! :-D
Quote from: mhunt on October 31, 2005, 07:49:35 PM
if you people cannot see that the d-line is worse this year than it was last year, you're beyond hope.
i know some of you like to be overly optimistic & back the front office at all times but that's rifargingdiculous.
i think the tackles are better. however i think the the ends farging blow.
I decided the Eagles call fifty consecutive passing plays to open a game up is to get McNabb used to the pain.
That's bullcrap though, because I also decided that McNabb isn't really hurt. He's just making up excuses not to run the ball ever so he doesn't have to field questions about being a running QB.
Irregardless, how much is the alleged sports hernia really hurting him? He hasn't lost much, if any, mobility/escapability.
Quote from: Purple_Hayz on October 31, 2005, 09:43:40 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on October 31, 2005, 08:06:45 PM
I was a huge Burgess fan his whole career here but to say we miss him now when signed a huge deal isnt right. Im sure the Eagles wanted him back, but not at that price. Oakland over payed for him at the time, it looks like a good deal now though.
Burgess didnt do anything from His 1st game in year 2 until the NFC championship game last year. Thats a span of over 30 games. He had 6 sacks his rookie year, 3 coming in one game and 2 more his 2nd year.
Plus, hes a pure LDE...which Freak is too.
How dare you attempt to use common sense to deflate all of this Burgess blowing going on here! :-D
sorry, ill make a note for the future. ;D
This team needs balance, they need to wake up in the first quarter, and they need to play with urgency. Teams are not going to roll over for them anymore.
It really is extremely weird to watch though. The Eagles used to be such a great first half team, and they were so good at taking the visiting team out of games early. This year is the polar opposite. I can't believe what I'm seeing. Whats even worse is that we return pretty much every single starter from last year. Maybe that could be a problem.
The Eagles didn't add anyone who could have stepped in and made a difference this year. Don't get me wrong, team cohesion is great, but signing someone to give them a spark on both sides of the ball wouldn't have hurt. This team seems unmotivated and uninspired. Its extremely disheartening considering that this team, you would think, would be more hungry after they got a taste of the Super Bowl. Or maybe they are disheartened by the loss.
This team just doesn't remind me of the Eagles of old in terms of heart and effort. I still have hope for them to remember their roots though.
The next 3 games define the season. Should be an interesting month.
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Chuggie can't hit a curveball?
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 06:36:19 PM
Those people were idiots from the get go.
This coming from one of the main contributors to the "Fire Andy Reid" thread. ::)
If McNabb ain't runnin' he should get surgery. Yes, I know there are other problems, Lito sucks, no pass rush, running game, blah blah blah, but saying McNabb's inability to run ISN'T a problem is plain wrong. I've said it before, if McNabb continues to play like he's been playing the last few games (KC second half aside) the Eagles won't make the playoffs anyway, IMO. Therefore, he might as well go under the knife.
I agree completely, henchman.
McNabb's capable of playing better ball than he has; therefore, gives the Eagles a chance to make the playoffs. Neither Detmer nor McMahon can.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 01, 2005, 08:29:17 AM
McNabb's capable of playing better ball than he has
Yes, WHEN HE'S COMPLETELY HEALTHY!
Even in his current condition.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 01, 2005, 08:31:39 AM
Even in his current condition.
Well, that's where we disagree. There are other issues here. How much does McNabb playing affect his long-term help? Plus, there weren't that many people around, me included, who thought we'd make the playoffs with AJ Feeley at quarterback, so Detmer and McMahon might be able to.
Not with this zesty defense.
Oh Jeebus, I'm done with this.
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 01, 2005, 08:26:38 AM
Yes, I know there are other problems, Lito sucks, no pass rush, running game, blah blah blah, but saying McNabb's inability to run ISN'T a problem is plain wrong.
i dont think its an issue at this point...he gets the surgery they dont win a game without him and obviosuly arent winning the superbowl...and if he doesnt get it he has already proven he cant play with it thus again they arent winning the superbowl...so im confused as to why there are two different camps on this issue...
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on October 31, 2005, 08:06:45 PM
I was a huge Burgess fan his whole career here but to say we miss him now when signed a huge deal isnt right. Im sure the Eagles wanted him back, but not at that price. Oakland over payed for him at the time, it looks like a good deal now though.
so everybody thought they overpaid him...but it looks like a good deal now.
in other words, they didn't overpay him.
i agree! :yay he has twice as many sacks as kearse, btw.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 06:29:38 PM
Many folks have said that McNabb should go get the surgery because it would "only" be a 4-6 week absence despite the Eagles medical staff saying it would be possibly up to 12 weeks.
My opinion was that once you get cut on there are no guarantees especially with returning this season.
Well look at Dirk Johnson's case. He had the surgery before training camp, missed 6 weeks of action and here we are in week 9 and he is still being plagued by groin pain that is associated with that sports hernia.
If McNabb had the surgery, even after the Oakland game, there would be no guarantee that he'd be ready to go at all this year.
We're going to have to watch him struggle the rest of the year to warm up. We're not going to see him run. I know this has been said to the point of exhaustion, but Reid MUST get that running game going. We saw glimpses of it yesterday and the balanced attack worked (duh). And the defense needs to find their balls and play Eagle defense like they are known to.
And don't give me the "Booohoo we lost Simon & Burgess" crap. In 2003 we had Jim Flanigan, Frank Ferrara and Marco Coleman logging time at DE and no Jeremiah Trotter and they were still stopping teams.
Jim Johnson needs to adjust better and the uniy needs to step it the farg up.
I still say that this team wont go too deep into the playoffs with McNabb all gimpy. Bring in McMahon, not looking foward to it.
Compare McNabb with the rest of the starting QB's in the NFL. Even with a hernia he is still better than the majority of them. Koy nor McMahon are going to put up a 2:1 TD to INT ratio or complete for mroe than 60% of their passes.
But McMahon would run more, thereby padding our running stats. :paranoid
its really hard to say sit mcnabb when andy refuses to give him to support by not running the ball...that said if mcnabb comes out and plays pathetic again this sunday why not give mcmahon a shot
If Feeley could make due with Pinkston, Thrash, and Duce, then McMahon should be able to do something with TO, Westbrook, and LJ.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 31, 2005, 07:31:54 PM
I was in the get cut now crowd, and still think he shoulda. My reasoning goes to the same place as RJS with TO getting hurt - if they had McMahon/Neckbeard in there, they'd run more, balancing the O. Yeah, McNabb might not get back this season, and would almost certainly come back too soon. But they'd have a more balanced offense for him to manage, and would be much better off.
Too late now.
I agree completely with this post...and, agree, it's too late now, unless they completely shard the bed in the next 4-5 games and have no shot at winning the division. Then, they need to decide if it might be better to have the surgery at that point and give Donovan an extra two months to heal for 2006.
IMO Lito's head has swollen. He seems to slow up on guys to 'bait' the QB into throwing the pass...only to not recover in time and make a play thus giving the opposing offense a big play. I also think M. Lewis is having a down year. If only the whole team would play like Dawkins, Trott, Sheldon, and Darwin Walker.
Quote from: mikey418 on November 01, 2005, 12:28:33 PM
He seems to slow up on guys to 'bait' the QB into throwing the pass..
He did that all through college.
Quote from: mikey418 on November 01, 2005, 12:28:33 PM
If only the whole team would play like Dawkins, Trott, Sheldon, and Darwin Walker.
Walker has done very little since his injury, and Dawkins has been only average in pass coverage.
I thought Walker looked great in the SD game but last week he was invisible. I also agree on Dawkins. He's been having an off year and frankly he's been playing like he did after he returned from his slight lis franc sprain a couple of years ago. :paranoid
Has anyone heard anything about Darwin Walker's injury status?
Man, it's painful to watch Lito and Lewis getting burned. I know that they're better than they are playing, especially Lewis. This is the guy we were all singing praises about, watching him make hit after hit. The whole team is on again off again. I just hope they get it together before playoff time rolles around. After all, it's only the seasons halfway point. There is still time, but I don't know if the team getting it together can compensate for McNabbs performance. It's plain to see he's hurtin'. Wether or not he should get surgery is a moot point now after the buy week has passed.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 07:07:01 PM
Now Cataldi says McNabb is not a leader, that he cannot audible and everything is his fault and the hernia is an excuse.
That is so much farging bullshtein that it makes me want to puke.
Phreak, maybe Reid will start running like he did in the second half last week. Just keep giving Bwest the ball, he's got to break one sooner or later. Just like sooner or later it has to sink into Reid's concrete head that passing 70% of the time is not gonna' work with a hurt qb, or prolly' not even with a healthy one.
Man, I thought we were coming back until Dmac forced the throw to TO in the end zone. That was the end of it right there. The Bronco's are just too damn good right now and it's not the first time that Plummer has burned this team. He's a good qb on a real good team with a good coach, and he's playing the best he ever has his whole career. Hopefully we turn this thing around against our division opponents, starting with the taterskins.
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 01, 2005, 08:26:38 AM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 06:36:19 PM
Those people were idiots from the get go.
This coming from one of the main contributors to the "Fire Andy Reid" thread. ::)
If McNabb ain't runnin' he should get surgery. Yes, I know there are other problems, Lito sucks, no pass rush, running game, blah blah blah, but saying McNabb's inability to run ISN'T a problem is plain wrong. I've said it before, if McNabb continues to play like he's been playing the last few games (KC second half aside) the Eagles won't make the playoffs anyway, IMO. Therefore, he might as well go under the knife.
First of all I was talking mainly out of frustration. Secondly, if Andy does EXACTLY the same thing he's done the first 7 games then he doesn't deserve some type of punishment? That would basically mean he handed the division over to the Giants if he doesn't fix the problem. Will he fix the problems? I think he will, but if he continues to not run the ball then he has to be punished somehow.
By the way, I'm curious as to why everyone is so sure that McMahon can't do well. Haven't backup QBs always done well in here before? McMahon could start on some teams in this league(Ravens, Lions, Niners). He's not terrible. If the Eagles establish a running game then I think McMahon could lead this team to the playoffs. To a Superbowl though? Probably not. QBs like McMahon will usually get exposed in the playoffs against good teams.
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 03:25:52 PM
If the Eagles establish a running game then I think McMahon could lead this team to the playoffs.
yeah, well if the Eagles establish a running game with McNabb what do you think he would do?
The same thing, but that's not my point. I'm just curious as to why everyone is so 100% certain that if McMahon comes in you kiss the season goodbye.
I hate Angelo Farging Cataldi!
He is always trying to turn people against McNabb.
where did that come from dawg?!?!
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 03:33:38 PM
The same thing, but that's not my point. I'm just curious as to why everyone is so 100% certain that if McMahon comes in you kiss the season goodbye.
why does everyone kiss the season goodbye if Koy comes in?
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 03:48:37 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 03:33:38 PM
The same thing, but that's not my point. I'm just curious as to why everyone is so 100% certain that if McMahon comes in you kiss the season goodbye.
why does everyone kiss the season goodbye if Koy comes in?
Either they have yet to experience Koy's prowess or it's been so long since they've seen it that they've simply forgotten that he can turn it on when he wants to. Hail Neckbeard! 8)
hail!
McMahon is way better than Koy. Better arm, more accurate, better scrambler, taller so he sees the field better.
mike mcmahon, 6'2"
career completion %: 44.0
7 starts, 21 total games, 11 fumbles, 13 Ints, 10 TDs
koy detmer, 6'1"
career completion %: 52.7
8 starts, unknown total games (due to him being holder his stats are skewed), 3 fumbles, 11 Ints, 10 TDs
could you post their games played with detroit and philadelphia respectively
yes, i could.
Quote from: Wingspan on November 01, 2005, 04:21:24 PM
mike mcmahon, 6'2"
career completion %: 44.0
7 starts, 21 total games, 11 fumbles, 13 Ints, 10 TDs
koy detmer, 6'1"
career completion %: 52.7
8 starts, unknown total games (due to him being holder his stats are skewed), 3 fumbles, 11 Ints, 10 TDs
Dear god. Statistics to support an arguement? What the hell is going on here?
He's a better fumbler too. All hail Mike!
Quote from: Wingspan on November 01, 2005, 04:21:24 PM
mike mcmahon, 6'2"
career completion %: 44.0
7 starts, 21 total games, 11 fumbles, 13 Ints, 10 TDs
koy detmer, 6'1"
career completion %: 52.7
8 starts, unknown total games (due to him being holder his stats are skewed), 3 fumbles, 11 Ints, 10 TDs
He played on a worse team.
All you need to do is rewatch the preseason games. It was night and day with McMahon and Koy.
He played on a worse team than the team that landed us the worst record in football and the second pick in the draft?
That Eagles team would beat the Lions team from a few years ago. Again, all you need to do is watch the preseason games over again. It was night and day with McMahon and Koy. Koy is the worst QB in football. The only reason he's on a team is as a holder. He shouldn't be on an NFL roster.
playing in the 4th quarters of preseason games is a real indicator on just how talented a guy is. no, really, it is.
Guys, don't bother using facts in arguments with T_i_G. He'll just state an unproveable opinion and turn the brain dump back on, spilling hundreds of repetetive words into each post. Just stop.
Yea, because Koy and McMahon have both taken so many regular season snaps on this team for me to judge under equal personnel. ::)
McMahon does everything better than Koy, except keeping cool. The one thing about McMahon is he can get out of control and scramble around instead of hitting an open receiver. He has more of an ability to make plays than Koy, has a way stronger arm, and is more accurate on passes 5 yards or longer. Koy isn't even accurate unless he throws a 5 yard post(its only 5 yards because of Koy's arm) or a screen pass.
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So I'm guessing you'd rather have Koy than McMahon if McNabb had surgery?
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 04:53:07 PM
So I'm guessing you'd rather have Koy than McMahon if McNabb had surgery?
McNabb's not having surgery. Or is he? Did I miss something? When does the season start?
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Quote from: Tomahawk on November 01, 2005, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 04:53:07 PM
So I'm guessing you'd rather have Koy than McMahon if McNabb had surgery?
McNabb's not having surgery. Or is he? Did I miss something? When does the season start?
You didn't miss anything. The whole point of this thread was to be hypothetical.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 06:29:38 PM
Many folks have said that McNabb should go get the surgery because it would "only" be a 4-6 week absence despite the Eagles medical staff saying it would be possibly up to 12 weeks.
My opinion was that once you get cut on there are no guarantees especially with returning this season.
Well look at Dirk Johnson's case. He had the surgery before training camp, missed 6 weeks of action and here we are in week 9 and he is still being plagued by groin pain that is associated with that sports hernia.
If McNabb had the surgery, even after the Oakland game, there would be no guarantee that he'd be ready to go at all this year.
We're going to have to watch him struggle the rest of the year to warm up. We're not going to see him run. I know this has been said to the point of exhaustion, but Reid MUST get that running game going. We saw glimpses of it yesterday and the balanced attack worked (duh). And the defense needs to find their balls and play Eagle defense like they are known to.
And don't give me the "Booohoo we lost Simon & Burgess" crap. In 2003 we had Jim Flanigan, Frank Ferrara and Marco Coleman logging time at DE and no Jeremiah Trotter and they were still stopping teams.
Jim Johnson needs to adjust better and the uniy needs to step it the farg up.
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 01, 2005, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 04:53:07 PM
So I'm guessing you'd rather have Koy than McMahon if McNabb had surgery?
McNabb's not having surgery. Or is he? Did I miss something? When does the season start?
You didn't miss anything. The whole point of this thread was to be hypothetical.
I must read different than you.
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 01, 2005, 05:05:06 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 06:29:38 PM
Many folks have said that McNabb should go get the surgery because it would "only" be a 4-6 week absence despite the Eagles medical staff saying it would be possibly up to 12 weeks.
My opinion was that once you get cut on there are no guarantees especially with returning this season.
Well look at Dirk Johnson's case. He had the surgery before training camp, missed 6 weeks of action and here we are in week 9 and he is still being plagued by groin pain that is associated with that sports hernia.
If McNabb had the surgery, even after the Oakland game, there would be no guarantee that he'd be ready to go at all this year.
We're going to have to watch him struggle the rest of the year to warm up. We're not going to see him run. I know this has been said to the point of exhaustion, but Reid MUST get that running game going. We saw glimpses of it yesterday and the balanced attack worked (duh). And the defense needs to find their balls and play Eagle defense like they are known to.
And don't give me the "Booohoo we lost Simon & Burgess" crap. In 2003 we had Jim Flanigan, Frank Ferrara and Marco Coleman logging time at DE and no Jeremiah Trotter and they were still stopping teams.
Jim Johnson needs to adjust better and the uniy needs to step it the farg up.
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 04:56:18 PM
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 01, 2005, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 04:53:07 PM
So I'm guessing you'd rather have Koy than McMahon if McNabb had surgery?
McNabb's not having surgery. Or is he? Did I miss something? When does the season start?
You didn't miss anything. The whole point of this thread was to be hypothetical.
I must read different than you.
The whole discussion about McNabb and the surgery is hypothetical because he isn't getting it done. I just asked IF McNabb decided to have it, who would he rather have to step in.
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Quote from: TO is GOD on November 01, 2005, 03:23:14 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 01, 2005, 08:26:38 AM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 06:36:19 PM
Those people were idiots from the get go.
This coming from one of the main contributors to the "Fire Andy Reid" thread. ::)
If McNabb ain't runnin' he should get surgery. Yes, I know there are other problems, Lito sucks, no pass rush, running game, blah blah blah, but saying McNabb's inability to run ISN'T a problem is plain wrong. I've said it before, if McNabb continues to play like he's been playing the last few games (KC second half aside) the Eagles won't make the playoffs anyway, IMO. Therefore, he might as well go under the knife.
First of all I was talking mainly out of frustration. Secondly, if Andy does EXACTLY the same thing he's done the first 7 games then he doesn't deserve some type of punishment? That would basically mean he handed the division over to the Giants if he doesn't fix the problem. Will he fix the problems? I think he will, but if he continues to not run the ball then he has to be punished somehow.
Punishment? Why doesn't Lurie fine him a week's wages? ::) I mean, Jeebus, all the good work he's done and you want him fired/punished/whatever from one bad half-a-season? I have never seen such a pathetic knee-jerk reaction.
McNabb can an a rib injury to his list of problems. Hurt it against the broncos when he fell on Andrews.
Good job Andrews didn't fall on him.