mad money under the cap
big time free agents signed
mcnabb healthy
westbrook inked up
TO gone
my main concern is the offensive line...what youngins are going to pan out??...cause i see this unit getting old with the quickness
There's a cricket somewhere in my living room but I can't find it. :boom
TO's only gone if they can find and adequate replacement, and Reggie Wayne isn't one. At least thats what logic tells me, but sometimes with this team you never know. We'll see.
Already scouting the #10 pick we'll have :-[
This team will reach it potential -- at least on the offensive side of the ball -- once Reid centers the offense around Westbrook and LJ, not Owens and McNabb.
As for the defense, RDE and SLB (especially covering. decent TEs) are problem areas.
gotta beef up the front 7 on D....both olb's are below average....as is the rde....and the dt's are average.
that front 7 scares nobody.
but letting burgess & simon go was a good idea.
i'm not ready to think about next year yet. they still have a winning record and they still are in the NFC. i won't think about next year until they aren't playing anymore this year.
This season isn't over yet. Not by a damn sight.
Things are bad, and might get worse, but it's too early to discuss the offseason.
SB might be completely out of the question, though. Weirder things have happened, but.....
How many draft picks do we have right now? Anyone? Is there any chance of us being able to get someone who can actually generate a pass-rush from the edge at the pro level?
Get Bush
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 31, 2005, 10:32:08 AM
Get Bush
Yeah that would be fine, too. But seriously, our defensive front seven eats hairy nut sack.
at least they only signed Keith Adams to a one-year deal, he is not a starter. good special teams player and decent sub.
isn't Julian Peterson a FA this year?
This team already has too many wins to be able to get Reggie Bush.
Seriously, jerks. How many draft picks do we have coming up this year? I want to start thinking about replacements for Kalu, Adams, Jones, Juqua, Westrbook and Spach.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 31, 2005, 10:51:26 AM
Seriously, jerks. How many draft picks do we have coming up this year? I want to start thinking about replacements for Kalu, Adams, Jones, Juqua, Westrbook and Spach.
I was going to add Kearse to that list, but his salary doesn't really jump until 2007:
Quote2004 535000.00
2005 890000.00
2006 2075000.00
2007 5200000.00
2008 6460000.00
2009 7720000.00
2010 8980000.00
2011 10240000.00
I would like to add Parry, Hicks, Runyan (likely to retire), Hollis (contract issues), and Simoneau to that list.
Also, it's definitely time to start thinking about drafting a safety high. Dawkins has lost 1/2 a step, and Lewis can't cover anyone without grabbing them. I love both of those guys, but...
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 31, 2005, 10:58:46 AM
Also, it's definitely time to start thinking about drafting a safety high. Dawkins has lost 1/2 a step, and Lewis can't cover anyone without grabbing them. I love both of those guys, but...
This is exactly what I was thinking during the game. Dawkins is still the heart and soul but he's clearly not the same player he was 2 or 3 years ago... not consistently, anyway. He's given up a few plays this year that we're just not accustomed to seeing from him. Plays that we KNOW he would have prevented earlier in his career. Mike Lewis, as good as he is in run support, he's dead meat covering any type of decent TE. From Gates abusing him for that TD last week, to giving Putzier a 20 yard jump on a deep ball after the McNabb INT that completed the momentum swing. Can't wait to see him matched (or mismatched) on Shockey coming up in a couple weeks.
QuoteSeriously, jerks. How many draft picks do we have coming up this year?
Since you asked nicely: :)
1 - ours
2 - ours
3 - ours
4 - ours, Dallas, Indianapolis
5 - ours
6 - none
7 - ours
...plus whatever compensatory ones we get from Mayberry, Burgess, Reese, etc.
Quote from: rjs246 on October 31, 2005, 10:51:26 AM
Seriously, jerks. How many draft picks do we have coming up this year? I want to start thinking about replacements for Kalu, Adams, Jones, Juqua, Westrbook and Spach.
Especially Spach. He sucks a big fat one. Seriously. How did he make this team?
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 31, 2005, 11:19:37 AM
Since you asked nicely:
1 - ours
2 - ours
3 - ours
4 - ours, Dallas, Indianapolis
5 - ours
6 - none
7 - ours
...plus whatever compensatory ones we get from Mayberry, Burgess, Reese, etc.
A completely uneducated guess... a fifth, sixth and seventh for the FAs we lost sound about right?
So we're looking at roughly 10-12 draft picks again this year. If Westbrook gets signed every last one of those should be spent on the defensive front seven, the offensive line and a farging fullback. Ugh.
Quote from: Syracuse on October 31, 2005, 11:24:32 AMEspecially Spach. He sucks a big fat one. Seriously. How did he make this team?
They needed a backup TE, they didn't like any of the ones in the draft, had no idea on the status of Chad Lewis, and he was better than Thorn...
Get Lewis.
Vai was saying that he was in town for a physical a couple weeks ago. he must not be healthy enough to sign.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 31, 2005, 11:37:49 AM
Quote from: Syracuse on October 31, 2005, 11:24:32 AMEspecially Spach. He sucks a big fat one. Seriously. How did he make this team?
They needed a backup TE, they didn't like any of the ones in the draft, had no idea on the status of Chad Lewis, and he was better than Thorn...
They pretty much know Chad's status now don't they? We know he's pretty much recovered. That's the perfect #2 TE if there ever was one. Get Spach off this team.
Darren Howard will be a FA and Julian Peterson will, but will most likely be tagged.
If not, there is no excuse for the Eagles not signing both of those players. We are in dire need of help at DE and LB.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 31, 2005, 10:44:11 AM
at least they only signed Keith Adams to a one-year deal, he is not a starter. good special teams player and decent sub.
isn't Julian Peterson a FA this year?
I think Peterson's been a FA for a couple of years now, but the Niners keep using the franchise tag on him. He gets injured a lot though.
Quote from: Tomahawk on October 31, 2005, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 31, 2005, 10:44:11 AM
at least they only signed Keith Adams to a one-year deal, he is not a starter. good special teams player and decent sub.
isn't Julian Peterson a FA this year?
I think Peterson's been a FA for a couple of years now, but the Niners keep using the franchise tag on him. He gets injured a lot though.
what about Seth Joyner then?
Get Kurt Gouveia!
I think moving Jones to WLB is a good idea and then bringing in a legit SLB. Jones is probably better suited for MLB anyway but we have Trot.
Adams is gone, unless somehow he wants to play STs. Sim looks safe, he is decent on STs.
We need a serious upgrade at RDE. Kalu isnt coming back and McDougle is an unknown.
We need an upgrade at C and FB, a backup TE, and a WR when TO leaves town. I think we may get more depth at the OL but I wouldnt rule out a top flight OL in the draft or FA.
I wouldnt address safety just yet, at least not with high round. Lewis blows in coverage. I think he would be a good Nickel LB.
Ranch?
what about it?
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on October 31, 2005, 04:58:33 PM
I think moving Jones to WLB is a good idea and then bringing in a legit SLB. Jones is probably better suited for MLB anyway but we have Trot.
Adams is gone, unless somehow he wants to play STs. Sim looks safe, he is decent on STs.
We need a serious upgrade at RDE. Kalu isnt coming back and McDougle is an unknown.
We need an upgrade at C and FB, a backup TE, and a WR when TO leaves town. I think we may get more depth at the OL but I wouldnt rule out a top flight OL in the draft or FA.
I wouldnt address safety just yet, at least not with high round. Lewis blows in coverage. I think he would be a good Nickel LB.
If TO leaves next year then I fear they will sell the fans that Pinkston, Greg Lewis, and Reggie Brown are good enough. If they can sign a replacement who is a 1,000 yard receiver then I won't mind as much. But you know the Eagles. Everyone will say ok we need to sign someone to replace TO and they'll sign another Mccants for depth.
I hope I'm wrong though because if that happens you can kiss this teams playoff hopes goodbye.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 31, 2005, 05:22:13 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on October 31, 2005, 04:58:33 PM
I think moving Jones to WLB is a good idea and then bringing in a legit SLB. Jones is probably better suited for MLB anyway but we have Trot.
Adams is gone, unless somehow he wants to play STs. Sim looks safe, he is decent on STs.
We need a serious upgrade at RDE. Kalu isnt coming back and McDougle is an unknown.
We need an upgrade at C and FB, a backup TE, and a WR when TO leaves town. I think we may get more depth at the OL but I wouldnt rule out a top flight OL in the draft or FA.
I wouldnt address safety just yet, at least not with high round. Lewis blows in coverage. I think he would be a good Nickel LB.
If TO leaves next year then I fear they will sell the fans that Pinkston, Greg Lewis, and Reggie Brown are good enough. If they can sign a replacement who is a 1,000 yard receiver then I won't mind as much. But you know the Eagles. Everyone will say ok we need to sign someone to replace TO and they'll sign another Mccants for depth.
I hope I'm wrong though because if that happens you can kiss this teams playoff hopes goodbye.
Right-because the Eagles never made the playoffs without Terrell Owens.
We need some sort of WR if TO leaves next year, Pinky is coming off an injury and hes another year older.
Let's just crank up the "Bring Harrison To Philly" train now.
He's got a huge roster bonus due to him that the Colts either will not be able to pay or will refuse to pay because they have to use the money elsewhere.
Reggie Wayne will be a FA but I'm not sold on him as a #1. I see him as a Peerless Price type guy right now.
I agree Phreak, Reggie Wayne is NOT a #1. He's not a YAC guy, and he isn't very fast. Also he benefits from being in an offense with tons of weapons.
Like I said before though, the Eagles may have woken up from the days of old where they think they can win with anyone at WR, so if there isn't an adequate replacement, I think TO will be here. If there is a replacement then he will probably be gone.
Harrison could be a roster victim next year but I doubt he will be here.
Im not sold on Wayne either, hes a legit 2 but cant see him being a number 1 here.
another thing, we are going to have an ungodly amount of money available next year and even more if we cut TO. We can make a bigger splash then TO and Freak 2 years ago, its just a matter of who is out there and if they are worth it.
IMO if there ISN'T anyone available then this team has no choice but to keep him around. Unless someone is out there for a trade. I brought up Chambers a couple weeks ago. I love his athletic ability, and his hands are like black holes. He just hasn't broke 1,000 yards yet because of their offensive woes and QB woes. If we could trade for him then I'd love that, but will Miami trade with us after we raped them in the Feeley deal?
I like Chambers too but I cant see the Dolphins dealing with us after we shafted them so bad with AJ. Chambers is one of the guys I could see coming here who is a good WR in the league.
Going back to the original question of the thread...
No. I'm not ready.
Shafted? They were knocking the door down to get AJ. Anointing him the next Marino. They got noone to blame but themselves for that fiasco, the coach and GM who did it are axed. I see no bad blood in Miami.
TO is gone plain and simple...no chance in hell reid puts up with him again next year...as long as they properly replace him with a wr or two losing him would actually be addition by subtraction as the cancerous prescence he brings to the locker room would be gone...after mcnabbs injury reason number two as to the debacle that season is becoming is the aura surrounding this team...im not asking for the magical feeling last year had but btwn TO and to a lesser extent westbrooks situation you can almost smell the stench of death around the team...and its really hurting them
i agree on those who say dawks replacement must be in sight...but you can make up for dawks slippage by imporving the front seven...ive been saying this since last spring...the lack of playmakers in the front seven is staggering...i want ernie sims in the draft...unfortunately after him olb is real weak imo...no one else even comes close to exciting me in the first round...
the real monsters are at ilb...but of course the birds dont need one...dqwell jackson is going to be the steal of the draft this year...should go in the second round...id love the eagles to get him too...but its iffy as to whetehr he can play outside in the pros
i like mike lewis a lot but wouldnt anyone even blink if they didnt resign him...we know he lacks the speed necessary to cover but you can make up for that with the ability to break on a wr's cuts...lewis is terrible at rotating his hips and positioning himself to properly break on a cut...hes as bad as anyone ive seen in a while...i wont be mad if they keep him but they dont pay him one penny over market value
my biggest concern tho as mentioned is the o-line...tra and runyan are gonna be finished any year now...fraley already is and artis hicks while a gamer needs to be surrounded by real good lineman to be effective...andrews will be fine...but where are the replacements for these departing guys...if herremans and another guy step right in and prove to be nfl worthy then no problem...but if they cant its gonna be real ugly real fast
gonna be a crazy offseason
I'm ready to talk about next year. If Donovan is in the can for the year we'll be lucky to go 8-8. So what kind of draft position does that get us? 16? 17? Not exactly beach-front property, but if I remember correctly they have 6 or 7 tradeable picks to work with if they want to trade up. And they ALWAYS want to trade up.
My question is, where is the biggest need? Offensive line will probably be addressed as always. A real defensive end would be good. I'm terrified of them drafting any more linebackers, although we could certainly use 2.
What happens next?
Also, resigning Gordon has moved WAY up my list of things to do. Now that Westbrook is extended, it's important to have a counterpart and while Gordon is never going to set the world on fire, he is absolutely perfect for what we need to compliment Westbrook.
Add cornerback and safety to that draft list.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 15, 2005, 01:28:16 PM
Add cornerback and safety to that draft list.
I would like to stab Lito.
I'd like to stab Reid. Maybe we could have a stabbing party instead of an Eagles Carnival this year??
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 01:30:05 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on November 15, 2005, 01:28:16 PM
Add cornerback and safety to that draft list.
I would like to stab Lito.
Now you're just asking for the gay jokes.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 01:27:21 PM
I'm ready to talk about next year. If Donovan is in the can for the year we'll be lucky to go 8-8. So what kind of draft position does that get us? 16? 17? Not exactly beach-front property, but if I remember correctly they have 6 or 7 tradeable picks to work with if they want to trade up. And they ALWAYS want to trade up.
My question is, where is the biggest need? Offensive line will probably be addressed as always. A real defensive end would be good. I'm terrified of them drafting any more linebackers, although we could certainly use 2.
What happens next?
Also, resigning Gordon has moved WAY up my list of things to do. Now that Westbrook is extended, it's important to have a counterpart and while Gordon is never going to set the world on fire, he is absolutely perfect for what we need to compliment Westbrook.
DE is by far the biggest need. I'm not a big fan of the free agent DEs unless Freeney leaves the colts, so I hope we go DE in the draft. We have to trade up and take the best DE in the draft(whoever that may be once the college football season ends). Then we can use free agency to address WR, FB and OL, and maybe DT depending on who's available.
It's really tough to look that far ahead when we don't have a complete list of free agents, and even then, players are cut and shake loose all during the offseason.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 15, 2005, 01:28:16 PM
Add cornerback and safety to that draft list.
Preferably a cornerback who is over 6' tall who can return kicks.
Depending on if they keep Runyan or Tra we may need 3 new offensive lineman. I thought we should've signed Wahle in the offseason, but too late now. If Runyan and Tra stay we need a new G to replace Artis brutal Hicks. I don't know who's out there in free agency, so it's tough to see if there will be someone out there good enough to replace him.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 15, 2005, 01:32:01 PM
I'd like to stab Reid. Maybe we could have a stabbing party instead of an Eagles Carnival this year??
Helter Skelter!
Positions we need to address over the off-season:
WR - Might want to go with a veteran, proven commodity here unless we can get a true stud in the 1st round. Anyone remember the list of guys who will be free agents?? I remember there wasn't anyone spectacular on there, although Reggie Brown could develop into a #1 by next year. If he does and if Lewis and McMullen continue to improve we'd be OK bringing in a solid #2 guy. Pinkston will be back as well, although I don't want to see him as anything more than a #4. Maybe trade for someone here...Javon Walker??
OL - One of the biggest needs we need to address in the draft is bringing in a stud franchise LT. Jeremy Trueblood out of BC is a guy that would fit in perfectly here IMO, and will probably be available with our 2nd round pick. Jackson looked promising at C last night. We also need to pick up an OG or 2, possibly early in the 2nd day of the draft.
DE - This position will be solidified next year with the emergence of Trent Cole and the return of McDougle, but we still could use some help. If we can get Matthias Kiwanuka or Mario Williams in the 1st round I'd do it in a heartbeat.
LB - I'd still like to bring in a true SAM to start at that position and move Jones back to WIL. I was hoping Labinjo would be that guy next season but looks like it isn't going to happen. This is probably best addressed through free agency, although if AJ Hawk is available in the draft and neither of the DEs I mentioned is I'd take him.
TE - Chad Lewis likely won't be around beyond this season, so if Spach isn't the answer we need a true #2 TE.
CB - Depends on whether or not we think Lito is just having an off season or if he really isn't as good as he looked last year. If it's the latter, we have to bring someone in, preferably a vet. I'd like to see Matt Ware get more snaps, also.
Lito didn't look that good last year either. He just made some big flashy plays that the pro-bowl sheep vote for. He's a good corner, but he doesn't play smart.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 04:13:35 PM
Lito didn't look that good last year either. He just made some big flashy plays that the pro-bowl sheep vote for. He's a good corner, but he doesn't play smart.
He got all that hype last season and seems to have started believing his press clippings too much. Hopefully this season is humbling enough to make him work harder in the offseason and be ready to shine next year. Another year of Izell Jr. would be hard to take.
Quote from: Geowhizzer on November 15, 2005, 10:31:15 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 15, 2005, 04:13:35 PM
Lito didn't look that good last year either. He just made some big flashy plays that the pro-bowl sheep vote for. He's a good corner, but he doesn't play smart.
He got all that hype last season and seems to have started believing his press clippings too much. Hopefully this season is humbling enough to make him work harder in the offseason and be ready to shine next year. Another year of Izell Jr. would be hard to take.
Exactly what I was thinking. Lito looks a little to full of himself this year. Second time this year he was absolutely toasted by Terry Glenn. I have to admit that little slow down than accelerate move he put on Lito in Dallas was amazing. Last night Lito almost looked like he gave up or thought Glenn didn't have enough room. He has definitely been humbled starting with last years Super Bowl.
Lito has a ton of speed, so he shouldn't get burnt so badly. I think he bites on moves too easily and just simply messes up in coverage. He has the tools that you can't teach so at least it's not like trying to teach a corner how to keep up with fast receivers. He's got the speed, just needs the discipline.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 04:03:29 AM
Lito has a ton of speed, so he shouldn't get burnt so badly. I think he bites on moves too easily and just simply messes up in coverage. He has the tools that you can't teach so at least it's not like trying to teach a corner how to keep up with fast receivers. He's got the speed, just needs the discipline.
He gets caught looking into the backfield too much and for too long.
Can we merge all of these offseason draft discussion doomsday the season is over threads? I don't think we need 5 of them.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 09:54:36 AM
Can we merge all of these offseason draft discussion doomsday the season is over threads? I don't think we need 5 of them.
i think we do, so farg you.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 16, 2005, 09:56:17 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 09:54:36 AM
Can we merge all of these offseason draft discussion doomsday the season is over threads? I don't think we need 5 of them.
i think we do, so farg you.
Wah wah wah.
Stab him!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 10:01:12 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 16, 2005, 09:56:17 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 16, 2005, 09:54:36 AM
Can we merge all of these offseason draft discussion doomsday the season is over threads? I don't think we need 5 of them.
i think we do, so farg you.
Wah wah wah.
i enjoy the fact that you use proper grammer and sentance structure while doing that, good show.
Punctuation is the awesomest.
DE is by far the biggest need. I'm not a big fan of the free agent DEs unless Freeney leaves the colts, so I hope we go DE in the draft. We have to trade up and take the best DE in the draft
they cant afford to risk taking another de in the first round...sign a free agent or hope mcdougle can play...trent cole to me will be almost like a free agent pick up next year as he will have had the experience from this year and should be a force from day one...but with mcdougle being a recent number one at that position you just gotta bite the bullet and hope he turns into a player not use another number one pick on a de...because if they do and that guy cant play they are effed
in general they need to get another playmaker or two in the front seven...starting with the olb's...dhani jones is brutal and keith adams is a special teamer
receiver is a no brainer
i think the secondary is fine...including both lito and lewis...a pass rush will help them tremedously
as i said in a previous post o-line has the potential to be a huge problem
i agree that you need another difference maker at OLB.
if you improve the front 7 and make them a force again, the back 4 becomes exponentially better as a result.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2005, 10:16:58 AM.but with mcdougle being a recent number one at that position you just gotta bite the bullet
:-D
i try
PFT.com has a list of players scheduled to become FAs. It doesn't look too promising if you're looking for a No.1 reciever:
LBs:--Will Witherspoon (CAR) OG: Stephen Neal (NE)
Angelo Crowell (Buff)--RFA Steve Hutchison (SEA)
Scott Shanle (DAL)--RFA
Hunter Hillenmeyer (CHI)--RFA
Julian Peterson (SF)
WR: Antwaan Randle-El (PITT) FB: Heath Evans (NE)
Reggie Wayne (IND) Sammy Morris (MIA)
Reche Caldwell (SD) Mack Strong (SEA)
Chris Horn (KC)--RFA Fred Beasley (SF)
Brandon Lloyd (SF)--RFA
Kevin Curtis (StL)--RFA
Tim Carter (NYG)
Nate Burleson (MINN)--RFA
C: Seth McKinney (MIA) CB: Nate Clements (BUFF)
LeCharles Bentley (NO)
Jeff Mitchell (CAR)
DE: Ryan Denney (BUFF) TE: Aaron Shea (CLEVE)
Aaron Kampman (GB) Dan Campbell (DALL)
John Abraham (NYJ)
Kyle Van den Bosch (TN)
Darren Howard (NO)
Cory Redding (DET)
Kalimba Edwards (DE)
Willie Whitehead (NO
DT: Chris Hovan (TB)
Rocky Bernard (SEA)
This isn't a complete list. Just a list of some of the intriguing choices out there.
It rarely looks good in FA for a true #1 receiver. They don't tend to get to that point.
Oh my! That list is pretty slim pickins.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 16, 2005, 10:37:14 AM
PFT.com has a list of players scheduled to become FAs. It doesn't look too promising if you're looking for a No.1 reciever:
LBs:--Will Witherspoon (CAR) OG: Stephen Neal (NE)
Angelo Crowell (Buff)--RFA Steve Hutchison (SEA)
Scott Shanle (DAL)--RFA
Hunter Hillenmeyer (CHI)--RFA
Julian Peterson (SF)
WR: Antwaan Randle-El (PITT) FB: Heath Evans (NE)
Reggie Wayne (IND) Sammy Morris (MIA)
Reche Caldwell (SD) Mack Strong (SEA)
Chris Horn (KC)--RFA Fred Beasley (SF)
Brandon Lloyd (SF)--RFA
Kevin Curtis (StL)--RFA
Tim Carter (NYG)
Nate Burleson (MINN)--RFA
C: Seth McKinney (MIA) CB: Nate Clements (BUFF)
LeCharles Bentley (NO)
Jeff Mitchell (CAR)
DE: Ryan Denney (BUFF) TE: Aaron Shea (CLEVE)
Aaron Kampman (GB) Dan Campbell (DALL)
John Abraham (NYJ)
Kyle Van den Bosch (TN)
Darren Howard (NO)
Cory Redding (DET)
Kalimba Edwards (DE)
Willie Whitehead (NO
DT: Chris Hovan (TB)
Rocky Bernard (SEA)
This isn't a complete list. Just a list of some of the intriguing choices out there.
GET BRANDON LLOYD!! Reuniting him with fellow U Of I alum Greg Lewis would make the receiving corps absolutely devastating. DEVASTATING!!!
Seriously,
GET JULIAN PETERSON!!! or not. Seems like the bum is always hurt.
I wouldn't mind getting Randle-El...he's not a #1 but he's a solid #2. Unless we can trade for someone I think we're going to have to rely on Reggie to be our #1 next year.
I disagree about the DE spot....if we have a chance to grab Kiwanuka or Williams in the draft we have to do it. Kiwi will go top 5 but we could get a shot at Williams.
This crop of free agents eats grundle. Looks like it'll be the draft or nothing. I'm flaccid just thinking about it.
I am not crunked about this at all!
If Dwight Freeney came available, I'd throw the friggin' house at him. $20+ million bonus.
But he won't come available. Book that.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 16, 2005, 02:18:54 PM
If Dwight Freeney came available, I'd throw the friggin' house at him. $20+ million bonus.
But he won't come available. Book that.
Maybe he'll get tired of Corey Simon eating his desserts at the team meals and leave in a huff?
Then he'd have to deal with Andrews, Hollis, and Patterson. Not exactly a bargain.
whats up with your boy patterson...dook has like four tackles in the last five games
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2005, 03:34:11 PM
whats up with your boy patterson...dook has like four tackles in the last five games
He's definitely hit a wall -- I haven't noticed him making a play in the last month. One guy who played decent Monday Night but was overlooked was Rayburn. Bout time he did something.
He's definitely hit a wall -- I haven't noticed him making a play in the last month
its almost like hes not even on the team
ironic tho in that since he disappeared the run defense has been superb
Our DTs like to rotate the quality play.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 16, 2005, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2005, 03:34:11 PM
whats up with your boy patterson...dook has like four tackles in the last five games
He's definitely hit a wall -- I haven't noticed him making a play in the last month. One guy who played decent Monday Night but was overlooked was Rayburn. Bout time he did something.
Believe it or not, being on the field makes it easier to make plays on the field.
Surprising but true.
:yay
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 16, 2005, 03:46:58 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 16, 2005, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2005, 03:34:11 PM
whats up with your boy patterson...dook has like four tackles in the last five games
He's definitely hit a wall -- I haven't noticed him making a play in the last month. One guy who played decent Monday Night but was overlooked was Rayburn. Bout time he did something.
Believe it or not, being on the field makes it easier to make plays on the field.
Surprising but true.
:yay
PREPOSTEROUS!!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 16, 2005, 03:34:11 PM
whats up with your boy patterson...dook has like four tackles in the last five games
I already gave my Patterson update (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=17077.0) this week.
Beasley would solve our FB problems.
That could come as early as this week
lol
or as early as next year after he adds 25 pounds of lard muscle in the offseason
I think Antonio Bryant is a FA after this season. I'd love him here. He's still young and pretty damn good for playing with below average QBs for his entire career. He had character issues coming in but since he's been with the Browns he's been fine.
Quote from: WEST is GOD on November 16, 2005, 05:17:04 PM
I think Antonio Bryant is a FA after this season. I'd love him here. He's still young and pretty damn good for playing with below average QBs for his entire career. He had character issues coming in but since he's been with the Browns he's been fine.
i think replacing a knucklehead with a knucklehead is kind of counter productive. The guy threw a towel in Parcell's face. Reid would never bring him in, especially after your GOD showed his true personality.
Everyone makes mistakes in their life. He was a kid who had an ego. He is no TO. Since he was disciplined, he hasn't been a problem. If it's not a reoccuring issue then I doubt Andy would have a problem bringing him in. Not every player is going to be squeaky clean. Everyone makes mistakes. The difference between TO and those other players is TO's are reoccuring. It seems Bryant has grown up, after all he's only 24. TO is 31 and is still a child.
Antonio Bryant will be an Eagle precisely never.
1. Steve Hutchinson - Sign him!!! Put him at LG and let Artis go back to being the 6th man.
Thomas
Hutchinson
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
That right there would move mountains.
2. Will Witherspoon - Yeah, we need a real WLB.
Need a T (depending on Tra's status), another TE (a blocking one would be good), a FB (one who can actually block would be good), a RDE (because Mcdougle will blow up and leave for multi-millions), and a good-covering S (move Michael Lewis to SLB and Dhani to WLB).
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2005, 06:33:29 PM
1. Steve Hutchinson - Sign him!!! Put him at LG and let Artis go back to being the 6th man.
Thomas
Hutchinson
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan
That right there would move mountains.
2. Will Witherspoon - Yeah, we need a real WLB.
I agree with Hutchinson. Hutchinson and a DE should be our first priorities along with WR.
You want to add any more first priorities to that list?
Lets go Sixers!!
I think its way to early to evaluate talent this year.
I like what Trent Cole is doing. I think if he doesn't start he should at least be in on most passing downs and a lot of snaps to give him opportunities to make plays.
The O-line has played decently well this year, and they showed last game that they can run block if they are allowed to get into a rythm. I wouldn't want to waste a pick on an OL in the first round. Try and trade up and pick up a difference maker right off the back. We just need another big play guy on defense, preferably the D-line.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 16, 2005, 08:26:04 PM
You want to add any more first priorities to that list?
Check my sig.
are there any weakside linebackers being projected to fall in the middle of the first round (where i guess we will be)? I've been hoping Andy would trade up and get a LB for years.
GET DARREN HOWARD :D
Quote from: MDS on November 16, 2005, 10:43:41 PM
are there any weakside linebackers being projected to fall in the middle of the first round (where i guess we will be)? I've been hoping Andy would trade up and get a LB for years.
Should've traded up for Derrick Johnson!
Instead of getting a real WLB, I'd rather get a real SLB and move Dhani back to weak.
Anyone know which LB position AJ Hawk plays?? I haven't watched OSU all year aside from the PSU game and part of the Texas game, and I was very drunk for both.
Anyone know which LB position AJ Hawk plays??
NO!!
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 12:54:48 PM
Anyone know which LB position AJ Hawk plays??
NO!!
I forgot that you are a racist, in addition to being an imbecile.
i saw a mock draft having New Orleans taking Hawk with the 3rd overall pick.
Why are you down on Hawk?? As I said I haven't seen OSU play much this year but I've heard great things about him.
Also, West is God, we may not need a new KR next year--depends on how JR progresses. Also you have to figure Moats will get a shot at the job.
IGY hates white people. Especially white football players and actors.
I made a mock draft the other day. I went 7th overall.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 17, 2005, 12:57:01 PM
I made a mock draft the other day. I went 7th overall.
You'll get a nice fatty signing bonus.
AJ Hawk plays WLB. Bobby Carpenter is the SLB.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 17, 2005, 12:56:12 PM
i saw a mock draft having New Orleans taking Hawk with the 3rd overall pick.
I saw that too...but I've seen others where he drops to mid-1st round. I'm biased but I think Kiwanuka is the first defensive player off the board (Leinart will go 1, 2-4 will be some combination of Bush, Young, Vick, and Ferguson based on who comes out and who doesn't, after that it's anyone's guess).
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 17, 2005, 12:53:04 PM
Anyone know which LB position AJ Hawk plays??
I think he's a WLB.
Quote from: MURP on November 17, 2005, 12:58:18 PM
AJ Hawk plays WLB. Bobby Carpenter is the SLB.
Thanks...we could still bring him in I guess if we get a shot, but that still leaves us with Dhani at SLB.
If Houston gets the first pick, anyone think they'll take Lienert and give up on Carr already? His troubles have a lot more to do with his line than his abilities. I don't think they'd go QB.
Doubt it. I think they trade down to about the 3rd or 4th pick and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Carr's a good QB, Leinart will get killed just as badly behind that line.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 17, 2005, 01:02:30 PM
Doubt it. I think they trade down to about the 3rd or 4th pick and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson.
That's exactly the same thing I think.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 17, 2005, 01:02:30 PM
Doubt it. I think they trade down to about the 3rd or 4th pick and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Carr's a good QB, Leinart will get killed just as badly behind that line.
They definitely should take Ferguson, even if they don't get a great deal to trade down.
Houston would be smart to trade down so they could get more picks, they just need help all around.
I wonder where Baltimore will end up and if they try to trade up to get Leinhart.
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 17, 2005, 01:02:30 PMD'Brickshaw Ferguson.
I know someone already ridiculed this man's name before, but I can't help myself: holy farg what a stupid name!!
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 17, 2005, 01:04:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyandBCEagles on November 17, 2005, 01:02:30 PM
Doubt it. I think they trade down to about the 3rd or 4th pick and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Carr's a good QB, Leinart will get killed just as badly behind that line.
They definitely should take Ferguson, even if they don't get a great deal to trade down.
If Houston gets the 1st pick it'll all depend on who the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks are. If the 2nd pick is someone who needs a QB, they could get a great deal to trade down to 3rd or 4th, especially if Young and/or Vick don't come out early. Of course, they'd have to be careful not to trade themselves out of contention for Ferguson. They may be smart to do what SD did with Manning, go ahead and take Leinart then deal him off.
i saw a mock draft having New Orleans taking Hawk with the 3rd overall pick.
makes sense...the typical new orleans bust
and i dont hate whitey...i hate whitey LB
You hate whitey. Just admit it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 01:13:23 PM
i saw a mock draft having New Orleans taking Hawk with the 3rd overall pick.
makes sense...the typical new orleans bust
and i dont hate whitey...i hate whitey LB
I hate Mark Simoneau, but I think Urlacher and Bruschi are OK.
Season ending surgery recommended:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/11/17/bc.fbn.eagles.mcnabb.ap/index.html
Quote from: 4and26 on November 17, 2005, 01:20:04 PM
Season ending surgery recommended:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/11/17/bc.fbn.eagles.mcnabb.ap/index.html
I am on the record as being on the fire Reid bandwagon if McNabb plays another down this season without getting the surgery. I could understand getting the surgery and possibly making a comeback for the last game or the playoffs (We talkin' about PLAYOFF?!?), but if Reid lets McNabb out there again before getting the surgery, he's dead to me.
Quote from: 4and26 on November 17, 2005, 01:20:04 PM
Season ending surgery recommended:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/11/17/bc.fbn.eagles.mcnabb.ap/index.html
Time to start working on robbing someone of another 2nd round pick.
McMahon kinda looks a little like Stuart from MAD TV.
I think that automatically diminishes his trade value.
Here's a ringing endorsement of McMahon for this weekends game from PK:
Philadelphia (4-5) at New York (6-3)
Tough road for Mike McMahon at the Meadowlands, not far from where he used to stink at Rutgers. Giants D hasn't allowed a touchdown in 13 quarters.
New York Giants 24, Philadelphia 10
Quote from: 4and26 on November 17, 2005, 04:22:58 PM
Here's a ringing endorsement of McMahon for this weekends game from PK:
Philadelphia (4-5) at New York (6-3)
Tough road for Mike McMahon at the Meadowlands, not far from where he used to stink at Rutgers. Giants D hasn't allowed a touchdown in 13 quarters.
New York Giants 24, Philadelphia 10
I wouldn't worry as PK is 100% idiot.
Quote from: 4and26 on November 17, 2005, 04:22:58 PM
Here's a ringing endorsement of McMahon for this weekends game from PK:
Philadelphia (4-5) at New York (6-3)
Tough road for Mike McMahon at the Meadowlands, not far from where he used to stink at Rutgers. Giants D hasn't allowed a touchdown in 13 quarters.
New York Giants 24, Philadelphia 10
Well, there it is. Peter King's logic is inescapable.
We's doomed. DOOMED, I TELL YA!
:-D
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 17, 2005, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: 4and26 on November 17, 2005, 04:22:58 PM
Here's a ringing endorsement of McMahon for this weekends game from PK:
Philadelphia (4-5) at New York (6-3)
Tough road for Mike McMahon at the Meadowlands, not far from where he used to stink at Rutgers. Giants D hasn't allowed a touchdown in 13 quarters.
New York Giants 24, Philadelphia 10
Well, there it is. Peter King's logic is inescapable.
We's doomed. DOOMED, I TELL YA!
:-D
if you get a chance, watch Inside the NFL this week, they have a camera follow him on the road, when he goes to DC to watch the Eagles and taterskins.
this guy is such a dummy, he's been traveling for how many years? at the train station he can't find his reservation, then he throws his ticket away and has to dig through the trash to find it. and at the stadium he wanders around the bowels trying to find the press elevator.
Quote from: 4and26 on November 17, 2005, 04:22:58 PM
Here's a ringing endorsement of McMahon for this weekends game from PK:
Philadelphia (4-5) at New York (6-3)
Tough road for Mike McMahon at the Meadowlands, not far from where he used to stink at Rutgers. Giants D hasn't allowed a touchdown in 13 quarters.
New York Giants 24, Philadelphia 10
Too bad he doesn't say how many TDs the Giants special teams and offense have allowed this season.
With the way our defense and special teams are playing, do you think that really matters?
Fat Lenny P sez the future looks bright (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=39764)
I agree with Len. Who really do we lose next year? We will have awesome cap space, all of our young talent is taken care of, virtually no one of significance is a free agent. In short, this team has a very solid core with no finanicial handicaps preventing them from being a contender next season.
It's unfortunate that this season has ended up the way it has, but it is a unique circumstance. There has just been too many off the field distractions and nagging injuries. It just caught up with them.
Maybe other teams have 'figured out' the Eagles to a certain extent as well. It's time for Reid to readjust his playcalling and maybe devise some new schemes. The ball is in the Eagle's court now. They have to counter what the league has thrown at them.
The key to next season is simple. Whether or not the Eagles will go out and actually spend some $$.
Yeah, but who exactly are they going to spend it on? Is there anyone out there worth a ton of cash? The FA pool looks pretty slim at the moment.
Depends on who shakes free. There's still plenty of time.
Players like Julian Peterson, Hutchinson, Freeney, Darren Howard, Abraham, Reggie Wayne. All those are word big contracts.
Players like Joe Horn, Marvin Harrison could be cap casualties. They need to spend and spend big in the offseason. Settling on 2nd tier guys isn't going to cut it. The Eagles need to address their needs. Fred Beasley a real FB is on the market as well. Davenport is out there at RB. There's plenty of options.
I would throw money at Julian Peterson. If Freeney somehow becomes available then its a no brainer.
Other than that I don't know if I would big Reggie Wayne a big deal. I think he might be a product of Marvin Harrison.
FB is a must, too. But that won't break the bank.
Last year during the draft, when the Eagles were staying pat at #31, I was thinking it was the rumored trade to send that pick to NO for Darren Howard. They obviously didn't, but I hope they get that rectified this offseason. GET HOWARD!
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 19, 2005, 04:02:04 PM
Last year during the draft, when the Eagles were staying pat at #31, I was thinking it was the rumored trade to send that pick to NO for Darren Howard. They obviously didn't, but I hope they get that rectified this offseason. GET HOWARD!
New Orleans wanted more for Darren Howard than the 31st pick. Dallas offered to swap first round picks with them, the Siants getting No.11 and the Boys getting whatever pick NO had plus Howard and the Saints turned it down. They wanted a HIGH No.1 pick for him.
Well, even mo' better if we can grab him straight up as a FA then, huh?
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 19, 2005, 04:02:04 PM
Last year during the draft, when the Eagles were staying pat at #31, I was thinking it was the rumored trade to send that pick to NO for Darren Howard. They obviously didn't, but I hope they get that rectified this offseason. GET HOWARD!
He's not doing much this year. Only 3.5 sacks. I don't know if I want him. He's never been a dominant pass rusher, he's put up good numbers but he's not a guy who coaches gameplan for. The way Howard is playing this year and the way Abraham is always hurt, the draft might be the best idea. Abraham is a better "get to the QB" DE though so if we had to sign one it'd be Abraham.
You're not going to get anyone worth TO's weight unless it's Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Torry Holt, and maybe Chad Johnson.
All of the other 4-5 teams lost today too (Minnesota plays tomorrow night), and the 3-6 teams that won still have worse opposing win percentages, so the Eagles are still stuck at #15 in terms of the draft... :P
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 20, 2005, 06:11:50 PM
All of the other 4-5 teams lost today too (Minnesota plays tomorrow night), and the 3-6 teams that won still have worse opposing win percentages, so the Eagles are still stuck at #15 in terms of the draft... :P
No doubt, we'll run off 3-4 straight to end the season... putting us right up there in that wonderful 18-20 range.
Ask 64 about the OJ Bowl :-D :-D
Quote from: fansince61 on November 20, 2005, 06:18:29 PM
Ask 64 about the OJ Bowl :-D :-D
That might make the Cardinals game interesting, but sadly, not the Skins game.
The problem with figuring out what this team needs to address in the offseason is that the things that have broken down for this team (pressuring the QB, secondary play, O-line play) have been traditional strengths for this team.
Is this year an abberation or do we really need to think about whether Lito and Lewis are going to be detrimental to the defense? Will this team remember how to run block next year, or do we have to address the O-Line? Are Trent Cole and Jevon Kearse going to be consistant, or are they going to be pressuring the QB one week and completely invisible the next? If you had never watched this team and sat down and reviewed film from this year, you'd have to say that they need to replace half of the secondary, that they have no depth at DL and that two-thirds of the linebacker corps should be launched into the endless depths of space. But as fans we know that this same personel group (for the most part) has been a fantastic defense in the league.
Let the frustration and nonsense begin!
[WIP Caller] They should draft a coach in the first round. [/WIP Caller]
Quote from: Wingspan on November 21, 2005, 11:48:06 AM
[WIP Caller] They should draft a coach in the first round. [/WIP Caller]
:-D
My wish:
Reid: GM
Childress: HC
Morningwood: OC
Johnson: DC
I agree RJS.
One thing that really stands out to me is the total lack of playmaking ability of Dhani Jones and Keith Adams. I mean, these guys have been non existent for 99% of the season. The stats are mind boggling really. Dhani and Ketih COMBINED have 1 Int, 3 passes defended, 0 Sacks, 0 Forced fumbles, 0 fumble recoveries.
Quote from: MURP on November 21, 2005, 12:01:15 PM
Dhani and Ketih COMBINED have 1 Int, 3 passes defended, 0 Sacks, 0 Forced fumbles, 0 fumble recoveries.
Holy shtein. I had no idea. That farging blows.
They sucked big time yesterday. The LB's need a considerable upgrade.
there wont be. im surprised the eagles spent money on trotter. isnt it their policy to not value to the linebacker position?
Well we definitely need to address the OL, since Runyan and Thomas aren't exactly spring chickens anyway. I've been saying for the last year that I'd like to get a legitimate SLB and move Dhani back to WLB, so hopefully that will happen next spring. The DE's aside from Kearse are all giant question marks--Cole has looked great and hopefully won't just be a flash-in-the-pan, Kalu is Kalu, Thomas is Thomas, McDougle will be a question mark--if we can get one of the marquee DEs in the draft (Kiwanuka or Williams) we should do it but I don't think we should reach for a guy later in the 1st round. We should be fine at DT, Patterson will pick his play back up. And the secondary will be fine once the pass rush is addressed, although we could use some additional depth at CB.
On the offensive side of things we obviously need to bring in the best WR we can but other than that I don't think we need too much aside from the aforementioned line (we need to seriously think about taking a franchise LT in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft). If Gordon can be counted on for Dallas-like production every week this helps a lot as it lets us put Westbrook back on PRs. I'd also like to see Moats get worked into the offense more. Backup TE is also an issue since Chad won't be around forever.
Quote from: MDS on November 21, 2005, 12:10:21 PM
there wont be. im surprised the eagles spent money on trotter. isnt it their policy to not value to the linebacker position?
to some degree yeah. but you dont always have to spend huge bucks to find good players. Carlos Emmons was a great player for the Eagles, but didnt cost a fortune when they picked him up. Shawn Barber was great the year he was here but they didnt want to overpay for him, which KC ended up doing.
And they say they dont value LB's, but they have taken one in the 2nd round three times since Reid has been the coach. Too bad they have just chosen sucky LB's. They need to do something at OLB. Those guys are just not up to the task.
Quote from: MURP on November 21, 2005, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 21, 2005, 12:10:21 PM
there wont be. im surprised the eagles spent money on trotter. isnt it their policy to not value to the linebacker position?
to some degree yeah. but you dont always have to spend huge bucks to find good players. Carlos Emmons was a great player for the Eagles, but didnt cost a fortune when they picked him up. Shawn Barber was great the year he was here but they didnt want to overpay for him, which KC ended up doing.
And they say they dont value LB's, but they have taken one in the 2nd round three times since Reid has been the coach. Too bad they have just chosen sucky LB's. They need to do something at OLB. Those guys are just not up to the task.
what, you are not a quentin caver fan?
They didn't spend that much on Trotter...less than $3M a year...
Not valueing the linebacker positions sure has turned out well for the team so far.
I agree that they need LB upgrades.
But until the philosophy on the LB spot changes there will not be any studs unless they get one on the cheap or in the draft.
Big money = DTs, DEs, CBs
Penny pinching = LBs & S
We all know Kearse is way overpaid and you can't be talking about penny-pionching on safeties unless you're talking about all of them. Michael Lewis and Brian Dawkins as starters is probably the best strong/free safety duo you'll find on one team.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 21, 2005, 11:45:28 AM
The problem with figuring out what this team needs to address in the offseason is that the things that have broken down for this team (pressuring the QB, secondary play, O-line play) have been traditional strengths for this team.
Is this year an abberation or do we really need to think about whether Lito and Lewis are going to be detrimental to the defense? Will this team remember how to run block next year, or do we have to address the O-Line? Are Trent Cole and Jevon Kearse going to be consistant, or are they going to be pressuring the QB one week and completely invisible the next? If you had never watched this team and sat down and reviewed film from this year, you'd have to say that they need to replace half of the secondary, that they have no depth at DL and that two-thirds of the linebacker corps should be launched into the endless depths of space. But as fans we know that this same personel group (for the most part) has been a fantastic defense in the league.
Let the frustration and nonsense begin!
I agree. The whole defense had one huge brain fart this year. What sucks is that Dawkins isn't getting any younger and he's not having a particularly great season either. I didn't really hear his name called all game or anyone even mention him on a stop. You know the defense is playing poorly when you don't hear about Dawk.
This defense has talent but I do think they need help at the OLB position and they need better quality depth at the DL. I don't think they need wholesale changes in the secondary and I still have faith Litoast, Sheldon, and Mike can still get it done and play at a pro-bowl level. For some reason, either injuries, confidence, lack of a consistent pass rush, or a combination of all of those plus something else is contributing to their horrible season.
The best friend of a CB is a consistent pass rush. It allows them to get into a rhythm and have a feel for pass coverage and when to take risks. When a QB consistently has 5-6 seconds to throw the ball its hard to hold coverage for very long, especially if they decide to bring 9 and leave you on an island.
Quote from: MURP on November 21, 2005, 12:01:15 PM
I agree RJS.
One thing that really stands out to me is the total lack of playmaking ability of Dhani Jones and Keith Adams. I mean, these guys have been non existent for 99% of the season. The stats are mind boggling really. Dhani and Ketih COMBINED have 1 Int, 3 passes defended, 0 Sacks, 0 Forced fumbles, 0 fumble recoveries.
That is pathetic! Put Sims and Ena back in already. Adams belongs back on Special Teams.
Yeah, I'm glad we went stud at DE and DT.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 22, 2005, 08:53:12 AM
Yeah, I'm glad we went stud at DE and DT.
Seriously. If we had to address those two positions in the early rounds, again, it could have screwed our whole draft.
Quote from: MURP on November 21, 2005, 12:01:15 PM
I agree RJS.
One thing that really stands out to me is the total lack of playmaking ability of Dhani Jones and Keith Adams. I mean, these guys have been non existent for 99% of the season. The stats are mind boggling really. Dhani and Ketih COMBINED have 1 Int, 3 passes defended, 0 Sacks, 0 Forced fumbles, 0 fumble recoveries.
Where's McCoy? Could he have done any worse? I dunno since lemons like Moreno and Roper have already gotten playing time ahead of him.
i got ripped for being a racist when i said it but i told everyone who wouldnt listen back in april that mccoy would never play in this league outside of some possible special teams action...it was a horrible pick then and its even worse now
No...that's revisionist history. You were never ripped as a racist for saying they shouldn't have drafted McCoy. You were ripped for saying never to draft white linebackers-- there's a huge difference. McCoy may or may not suck, but he doesn't inherently suck because he's a white guy-- any more than Quentin Caver sucked because he was a black guy. Some guys just suck, regardless.
Don't twist the facts.
Preposterous!
Yeah, I'm nuts like that....spewing crazy stuff, like logic.
It's too early to judge McCoy or anyone from this draft class for that matter. McCoy certainly doesn't look promising right now but a lot of Eagles fans have a jaded view towards the LB position, and rightfully so, because they cannot and have not developed one of their own in a long time. Plus Simoneau sucks. Trotter and Emmons are the only good LBs to be here (Barber for that one year, maybe) and they're a draft pick from another regime and an FA signing.
Don't give up on him yet.
No...that's revisionist history. You were never ripped as a racist for saying they shouldn't have drafted McCoy. You were ripped for saying never to draft white linebackers-- there's a huge difference. McCoy may or may not suck, but he doesn't inherently suck because he's a white guy-- any more than Quentin Caver sucked because he was a black guy. Some guys just suck, regardless.
first and foremost i said mccoy sucked period...and that led to me saying that white lb's in general suck...mccoy doesnt suck cause hes white he sucks cause he cant play...the scab cant even make a horrible special teams unit...thats all you need to say
dont be salty cause you said the eagles stole him in the draft
lol...please show me where I said that. I'd love to see it, because I didn't know enough about McCoy to really have an opinion about that pick. So, dig that up for me...thanks.
The point is, nobody said you were racist because you didn't like the McCoy pick. Not one person did.
Do you have to prove you're an idiot every day? Can you just let one day go by pretending to aspire to average?
i havent posted since saturday thank you
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 09:22:44 AM
i havent posted since saturday thank you
Just remember that in your case, less is more.
And everyone thanks you for it....really. Your Thanksgiving present to us.
haters
btw as much as i was dead on with mccoy i was just as much so with trent cole...this has been a great year for me
thats funny, cause you called Trent Cole a "career special teamer" in his thread after the draft. :-D
trent cole has been a pleasant surprise. almost like morning wood.
Quote from: MURP on November 23, 2005, 10:07:23 AM
thats funny, cause you called Trent Cole a "career special teamer" in his thread after the draft. :-D
Quotealtho he will be a real good one...nobody is going to spend a 2 or a 3 on a guy who is a career special teamer
MURP, you know he's going to claim that "he will be a real good one" was not in reference to being a special teamer.
He'll be lying, though.
i was talking about this year as far as a special teamer...i thought he would be an ike reese replacement and a good one...but not someone you take in the second round
anyway...once i saw him at training camp and preseason i was all over him as a future probowler
fact
my points should be ringing like a pachinko machine
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 23, 2005, 10:22:10 AM
i was talking about this year as far as a special teamer...i thought he would be an ike reese replacement and a good one...but not someone you take in the second round
It's interesting that you would use the phrase "career special teamer" to describe a guy you actually felt was going to be a one-year special teamer and long-term star.
Actually, it's not interesting. It's simply incorrect. Stop trying to CYA.
FF...stop trying to confuse him with facts and reality; it really fargs with his delusion of football genius.
It's interesting that you would use the phrase "career special teamer"
we were talking about why he wasnt taken in the second round and fell to the fifth...i was saying no one is going to take a player they think will be a career special teamer in the second or third round...hence the reason he fell...i never said i thought he was a career special teamer...nor did i say he would be a probowler right after the draft
i waited until i saw him at camp and preseason to declare "trent cole future nfl sack leader"
Seriously, when NB left the board, did he send you a letter asking you to take over as the lead idiot?
Quote from: Zanshin on November 23, 2005, 10:58:37 AM
Seriously, when NB left the board, did he send you a letter asking you to take over as the lead idiot?
Regardless of if he did or not... it's hard to argue that IGY's asserted himself wonderfully.
At least he's not a raving lunatic idiot. It's really an improvement.
At least he's not a raving lunatic idiot. It's really an improvement
are you trying to get in my pants??
You could help by unzipping them.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 21, 2005, 05:43:08 PM
I agree that they need LB upgrades.
But until the philosophy on the LB spot changes there will not be any studs unless they get one on the cheap or in the draft.
Big money = DTs, DEs, CBs
Penny pinching = LBs & S
They need to change the philosophy, at least for one offseason. Our LB's suck and we need to upgrade. No more Simoneau's, Adams', and other bums. I'm tired of zesty LB play year in and year out. Sign Will Witherspoon this offseason... :yay