Hi, long time lurker and first time poster. If the Eagles continue the road they're on right now, and don't, at a minimum, go to the NFC championship game, then Reid should be fired from his position as head coach. Forget about what he has done hitherto, but look at what he is doing now? What in the world is up with this "pass only" offense? Let me see if I've got this straight: You've got an injured QB, a WR that is essentially a big baby but a big talent, and a pro-bowl caliber RB, and you inexplicably choose to run an offense that not only chooses to rely on the passing game, but does so EXCLUSIVELY. It's one thing to have a good passing game, allowed by a strong running game, but to think you can win in this league by doing NOTHING but passing the ball all day long is ludicrous, embarrasing, and un-professional.
What will happen, if Reid chooses to continue with this little experiment, is exactly what's happening right now in Denver. It will change from a pass only offense by choice, to a pass only offense by necessity. There's a BIG difference. There they are, four TD's behind, and now they have no choice but to pass on every play. If they had slowed things down a little, and tried to establish a running game, things may have been different and the Eagles could have had a chance to develop a rythym in a place like Denver.
I don't see how a person like Reid, who up to now has been considered one of the premier coaches in the league, has chosen from week 6 forward to implement this outrageous experiment of his, but he's got a lot to answer to if he doesn't reverse course immediately. The Eagles were weak enough at WR to expect to enjoy a pass heavy offense, much leass a pass only offense. Why is he doing what he's doing? It would be different if the Eagles were forced to abandon the game plan early in every game, and resort to a pass only offense, but the Eagles have come out of the gates with this unbelievable pass only offense. What is Reid doing? Is he somehow trying to make a name for himself? Does he somehow think that his team could be the only team in the history of the NFL to even try and win games without even so much as trying to establish a running game?
I'm sorry, but Andy Reid has a lot to answer to the people of Philadelphia, the Eagles players, and even the fans of the NFL. His selfish approach to this is despicable, and should he choose not to do an about face, and admit his mistake, then he should pay the price with his job. He should be fired, and there's no way you can justify trying to win in the NFL without at an absolute minimum trying to establish a running game, ESPECIALLY when you have a RB like Westbrook. Reid is embarrassing!!
It's time to either resign, or let him embarrass himself even further and end the year by having the Eagles organization fire him. His actions are despicable!!
i agree. ;D
how bout we re-hire kotite.
Even if we don't turn it around this season, I'm willing to give Reid a pass. He's earned it. 1 bad season out of the last 5 is still a great ratio. You're just frustrated right now -- which is understandable.
I miss Dana Bible's offense.
If the Eagles fired Reid about 25 other teams would be lined up to sign him.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:55:58 PM
Even if we don't turn it around this season, I'm willing to give Reid a pass. He's earned it. 1 bad season out of the last 5 is still a great ratio. You're just frustrated right now -- which is understandable.
Yep. I'm pissed at him and I really hate him right now but looking at the big picture, he's earned the right to have a bad year. It's not all him either but he's the coach and he's going to get the blame.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 06:57:45 PM
I miss Dana Bible's offense.
:-D
I remember going to a game back in 98 and I think it was Sign Man that had a sign up that said "We've got a Bible on offense and we still don't have a prayer." .......or something like that.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:55:58 PM
Even if we don't turn it around this season, I'm willing to give Reid a pass. He's earned it. 1 bad season out of the last 5 is still a great ratio. You're just frustrated right now -- which is understandable.
I'll give this season a pass if they start playing competitve ball, but if not, farg him, get a new coach. There's no excuse for what he's done this year to this point. It's sheer stupidity and utter madness.
andy hasn't had this team ready to play in 3 of the past 4 games.
down 17-zip to KC
down 17-zip to Dallas
down 28-zip today
the league has figured out his pass-only offense...and he's too stubborn to adjust. :boo
My favorite sign man sign ever... :-D
"We may have a Bible but we don't have a prayer"
I'm getting sick watching this game.
I can't ever remember the Eagles ever playing that bad in a first half. They used to play so well on the road and now they are getting outscored 55-0 in the first quarter in road games.
They just don't look confident, McNabb is throwing worm burners, It's distressing to watch.
Of course Reid gets a pass this year. He's arguably the best head coach we've ever had. But something is up. He must have one massive brain fart this year because his playcalling has been horrible.
Did you see the last drive though? They mixed it up, ran the ball and got some respectable yardage and the whole field opened up. Why they couldn't do that from the onset is beyond me.
If the team misses the playoffs he should be fired. End of story. I'm sick of him.
The reason he doesn't deserve a "free pass" is because he's singlehandedly chosen in mid-season to change the offense to this untested, unproven, and never before utilized type of pass only offense. IN MID SEASON no less, when the NFC East is showing signs of returning to the glory days when all teams are competitive. If the Eagles had clinched the division with five games left in the season, maybe then he can experiment, or maybe in the pre-season, but all of a sudden to change his offense to this experimental pass only offense? That's absurd, and because he's won in the past should not give him a free pass, not in this case. In most cases, a bad season is allowed for a coach who's considered one of the elite, but because of his singular decision to change his philosophy in the middle of the season is inexcusable. It's not like he's doing what he's always been doing and things just aren't clicking. He's not even trying to do what got him those five seasons in a row, he's completely abandoned that style, and adopted this outrageous pass only offense. OUTRAGEOUS!!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 07:02:37 PM
My favorite sign man sign ever... :-D
"We may have a Bible but we don't have a prayer"
Yeah, that was it.
I think.
Not sure though.
Was wasted at the game.
It was necessary to watch them.
:paranoid
Reid's offense needs a QB who can beat blitzes for it to work.
Looks like the Cover-0 defense in back in vogue.
Firing a coach who transformed a piece of shtein team into a Super Bowl contender for the last half-decade isn't that smart, especially considering that the Eagles will still have a winning record no matter what happens today.
The Eagles would hire some zesty reject coach and be a bottom of the barrel team for the next 5 years. I guess then you'd be proud of running him out of town for passing too much.
Don't get me wrong, Andy's made plenty of mistakes, but scapegoating him for everything you don't like about this season won't solve anything.
Lurie wouldnt fire Reid even if the Eagles lost the rest of the games this year.
All of you calling for him to be fired should go have someone crack your skulls.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 07:05:53 PM
All of you calling for him to be fired should go have someone crack your skulls.
maybe the problem is they already have.
Quote from: hydrocodone on October 30, 2005, 07:04:24 PM
The reason he doesn't deserve a "free pass" is because he's singlehandedly chosen in mid-season to change the offense to this untested, unproven, and never before utilized type of pass only offense. IN MID SEASON no less
He's been doing it the entire year. This isn't something that just started happening in recent weeks.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 07:05:10 PM
Firing a coach who transformed a piece of shtein team into a Super Bowl contender for the last half-decade isn't that smart, especially considering that the Eagles will still have a winning record no matter what happens today.
You hope. There's no gaurantees in the NFL, buddy.
he's taken a super bowl team & turned it into a leaguewide joke with this no running crap.
Quote from: MURP on October 30, 2005, 07:05:50 PM
Lurie wouldnt fire Reid even if the Eagles lost the rest of the games this year.
I'm wondering if Lurie would ever fire Reid. I think Reid would have to willingly move on before Lurie got a new coach.
Quote from: MURP on October 30, 2005, 07:06:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 07:05:53 PM
All of you calling for him to be fired should go have someone crack your skulls.
maybe the problem is they already have.
True.
Id like to see how they function with empty craniums though. Becuase obviously there ain't no gray matter inside if anyone wants Reid fired.
Quote from: TexasEagle on October 30, 2005, 07:07:53 PM
Quote from: MURP on October 30, 2005, 07:05:50 PM
Lurie wouldnt fire Reid even if the Eagles lost the rest of the games this year.
I'm wondering if Lurie would ever fire Reid. I think Reid would have to willingly move on before Lurie got a new coach.
i agree.
Quote from: TexasEagle on October 30, 2005, 07:06:51 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 07:05:10 PM
Firing a coach who transformed a piece of shtein team into a Super Bowl contender for the last half-decade isn't that smart, especially considering that the Eagles will still have a winning record no matter what happens today.
You hope. There's no gaurantees in the NFL, buddy.
I mean we'll be 4-3 after today, not have a winning record for the whole season.
Quote from: mhunt on October 30, 2005, 07:07:47 PM
he's taken a super bowl team & turned it into a leaguewide joke with this no running crap.
Yeah, a laughingstock of the whole league that's a pitiful 4-3... some people don't remember the years when four wins would be good for the whole season.
Read the second sentence. :P
??? Hmm... there was a post this was responding to a second ago.
It's not about winning records. It's about being ready to win a Superbowl. Right now we aren't playoff caliber let alone Superbowl caliber.
Good coaches don't let their teams trail 14-0 week after week in the first quarters of games.
I don't care what Andy's done in the past. RIGHT NOW sunday October 31st 2005, he is not a good coach. In fact he is worse than Mike Tice this year.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 07:08:44 PM
Quote from: TexasEagle on October 30, 2005, 07:06:51 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 07:05:10 PM
Firing a coach who transformed a piece of shtein team into a Super Bowl contender for the last half-decade isn't that smart, especially considering that the Eagles will still have a winning record no matter what happens today.
You hope. There's no gaurantees in the NFL, buddy.
I mean we'll be 4-3 after today, not have a winning record for the whole season.
Ah. Well that's a different animal.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 07:10:49 PM
In fact he is worse than Mike Tice this year.
lets not get ridiculous.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 07:10:05 PM
Quote from: mhunt on October 30, 2005, 07:07:47 PM
he's taken a super bowl team & turned it into a leaguewide joke with this no running crap.
Yeah, a laughingstock of the whole league that's a pitiful 4-3... some people don't remember the years when four wins would be good for the whole season.
i didn't say laughingstock of the whole league....i said leaguewide joke...which his 9-1 pass/run ratio is.
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 30, 2005, 07:10:49 PM
It's not about winning records. It's about being ready to win a Superbowl. Right now we aren't playoff caliber let alone Superbowl caliber.
Good coaches don't let their teams trail 14-0 week after week in the first quarters of games.
I don't care what Andy's done in the past. RIGHT NOW sunday October 31st 2005, he is not a good coach. In fact he is worse than Mike Tice this year.
Okay maybe we should hire Mike Tice.
I think Andy this year has been worse than Tice. Is he a better coach? He's a billion times better, but this year Andy has been the worst coach in football.
Tice has been terrible, but the Vikings suck. We have talent and suck. There's a difference.
This thread is an embarrassment.
TO is GOD, you're a complete idiot.
1st play...sack.
nice to see that andy made his usual halftime adjustments.
Quote from: hydrocodone on October 30, 2005, 07:04:24 PM
The reason he doesn't deserve a "free pass" is because he's singlehandedly chosen in mid-season to change the offense to this untested, unproven, and never before utilized type of pass only offense. IN MID SEASON no less, when the NFC East is showing signs of returning to the glory days when all teams are competitive. If the Eagles had clinched the division with five games left in the season, maybe then he can experiment, or maybe in the pre-season, but all of a sudden to change his offense to this experimental pass only offense? That's absurd, and because he's won in the past should not give him a free pass, not in this case. In most cases, a bad season is allowed for a coach who's considered one of the elite, but because of his singular decision to change his philosophy in the middle of the season is inexcusable. It's not like he's doing what he's always been doing and things just aren't clicking. He's not even trying to do what got him those five seasons in a row, he's completely abandoned that style, and adopted this outrageous pass only offense. OUTRAGEOUS!!
His strategy has always been to get an early lead passing the ball then run it late to use up the clock. The only reason you're complaining this season is because our Offense is out of sync and our D is not as good as it has been in years passed. If the Offense resembled anything close to what it once was, the negative emphasis would most likely be on our D.
The thing that baffles me is, okay, Andy still refuses to run the ball - fine. But what about the play of our O-line? Why does it take the entire clock to get the play in? There's no surprise with the snap count, because every play is taken down to 1 second. The receivers and backs are missing assignments left and right. They're not on the same page.
don't be stupid, stupid.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2005, 07:14:46 PM
The thing that baffles me is, okay, Andy still refuses to run the ball - fine. But what about the play of our O-line? Why does it take the entire clock to get the play in? There's no surprise with the snap count, because every play is taken down to 1 second. The receivers and backs are missing assignments left and right. They're not on the same page.
Which all goes back to coaching, unfortunately. It's one thing if the stuff just isn't working, but they're still in preseason mode right now which is baffling. Half the time it doesn't even look like they're trying.
why dont we just let eskin do everything. hes the only person alive that could host a radio show, be the gm of the phillies and also be director of player personal and head coach of the eagles.
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:22:44 PM
why dont we just let eskin do everything. hes the only person alive that could host a radio show, be the gm of the phillies and also be director of player personal and head coach of the eagles.
He looks like a pretty good player too, based on what I've seen in the Burger King commercials.
Nice play by Brown.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 30, 2005, 07:24:20 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:22:44 PM
why dont we just let eskin do everything. hes the only person alive that could host a radio show, be the gm of the phillies and also be director of player personal and head coach of the eagles.
He looks like a pretty good player too, based on what I've seen in the Burger King commercials.
:-D
Oh well.
why dont the phillies have a gm?
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:27:32 PM
why dont the phillies have a gm?
Didn't you hear my Epstein/Nov. 1st theory?
but hes not even on their short list. apparantley. i wouldnt mind him. hes the kinda guy who wouldnt trade abreu.
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:31:48 PM
but hes not even on their short list. apparantley. i wouldnt mind him. hes the kinda guy who wouldnt trade abreu.
How do you know that? They can't even sniff his ass until Tuesday.
isnt he one of those sabermatric guys? obp and ops and all that stuff, win shares...etc. thats abreu.
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:38:07 PM
isnt he one of those sabermatric guys? obp and ops and all that stuff, win shares...etc. thats abreu.
yeah, but abreu strikes out alot too, and those type of guys hate strikeouts, of course, Boston was top 5 in that category this year, so maybe Epstein doesn't care as much, i know Billy Beane doesn't like them.
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:38:07 PM
isnt he one of those sabermatric guys? obp and ops and all that stuff, win shares...etc. thats abreu.
Yeah...sort of. He's not as bad as some other GMs. With the whole Manny Ramirez mess and his ridiculous salary demands, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he uses us to drive up his price.
abreu strikes out because he runs so many deep counts and at the same time is a power hitter. you have to trade the homers, rbis, walks, pictches seen and pitches per at bat for some k's. its just gonna happen when you get 2-2, 3-2 all the time.
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:53:17 PM
abreu strikes out because he runs so many deep counts and at the same time is a power hitter. you have to trade the homers, rbis, walks, pictches seen and pitches per at bat for some k's. its just gonna happen when you get 2-2, 3-2 all the time.
I doubt Abreu's going anywhere unless its for a bona fide ace.
but john marzano said he was gonna be traded. john marzano!
enough with the Phillies crap.
i think its a fitting topic for this thread
(http://www.blazinbeauties.com/images5/alba_beach/alba_beach_2_small.jpg)
or that
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:55:58 PM
Even if we don't turn it around this season, I'm willing to give Reid a pass. He's earned it. 1 bad season out of the last 5 is still a great ratio. You're just frustrated right now -- which is understandable.
The most sensible post on this thread. Anyone wanting Andy fired is a nut job.
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 07:53:17 PM
abreu strikes out because he runs so many deep counts and at the same time is a power hitter. you have to trade the homers, rbis, walks, pictches seen and pitches per at bat for some k's. its just gonna happen when you get 2-2, 3-2 all the time.
he doesn't hit enough home runs to justify 100+ strikeouts.
Quote from: hydrocodone on October 30, 2005, 06:50:03 PMHi, long time lurker and first time poster. If the Eagles continue the road they're on right now, and don't, at a minimum, go to the NFC championship game, then Reid should be fired from his position as head coach.
Welcome
hydrocodone. I disagree. Reid gets the rest of this year to run his plan. No serious discussion of his being fired can be had until at least the middle of next season, no matter how bad the rest of this year gets.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 30, 2005, 07:05:53 PM
All of you calling for him to be fired should go have someone crack your skulls.
Amen
He shouldn't be fired, but as I said last week, I'd rather he not coach, esp. on game day. His offense adjustments are questionable, his play calling is ridiculous, his time management makes me want to kill people, and I really don't want to lose Childress. Bump Reid to GM only, and give Childress the reins.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on October 31, 2005, 09:38:33 AM
He shouldn't be fired, but as I said last week, I'd rather he not coach, esp. on game day. His offense adjustments are questionable, his play calling is ridiculous, his time management makes me want to kill people, and I really don't want to lose Childress. Bump Reid to GM only, and give Childress the reins.
how do we know Childress is any better?
He can't be any worse.
Any chance that this game was finally the kick in the junk that Andy needed to see that his iron-fisted way of doing things isn't working? Or is that a little too much to hope for?
Quote from: rjs246 on October 31, 2005, 09:54:55 AM
Any chance that this game was finally the kick in the junk that Andy needed to see that his iron-fisted way of doing things isn't working? Or is that a little too much to hope for?
latter
What does Childress actually do anymore? Ive seen Marty Mornhinweg about 10 times more this year.
Everyone realizes that Reid isn't going anywhere, right? I haven't read one bit of this thread but no one seriously thinks that Reid is going anywhere do they?
Reid's coaching this year has been baffling, to say the least. I think the worst decision he's made, looking back, was not having Donovan get the surgery right away. Obviously, he overestimated some personnel decisions on both sides of the ball also. HOWEV-AH... this is an anomaly compared to his tenure with this team, so firing him any earlier than mid-season next year would be premature... and that's an understatement.
Yeah, he's made mistakes, both in coaching and in personnel. Burgess going, bringing back Buckhalter, not running the ball, not getting McNabb under the knife. Mistakes all of 'em, but to fire him after one bad half-season, give me a fargin' break.
mike martz lost a super bowl too.
Quote from: henchmanUK on October 31, 2005, 11:20:22 AM
Yeah, he's made mistakes, both in coaching and in personnel. Burgess going, bringing back Buckhalter, not running the ball, not getting McNabb under the knife. Mistakes all of 'em, but to fire him after one bad half-season, give me a fargin' break.
You forgot when he shot McDougle.
I thought Trotter shot McDougle.
Get Glocks!
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 31, 2005, 11:45:23 AM
I thought Trotter shot McDougle.
Trotter would have missed and had to chase McDougle down for another ten yards.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:55:58 PM
Even if we don't turn it around this season, I'm willing to give Reid a pass. He's earned it. 1 bad season out of the last 5 is still a great ratio. You're just frustrated right now -- which is understandable.
i agree but hes got to be willing to listen to his coaches!!
Quote from: MURP on October 31, 2005, 10:03:09 AM
What does Childress actually do anymore? Ive seen Marty Mornhinweg about 10 times more this year.
I'm still wondering what either one of them does, actually. I've been baffled by Childress for years now.
Quote from: MURP on October 31, 2005, 10:03:09 AM
What does Childress actually do anymore? Ive seen Marty Mornhinweg about 10 times more this year.
I know one thing he's damn sure not doing is getting the plays to McNabb in less than 32 seconds.
We need to hire a Chinese food delivery guy to get the plays in.
yeah that has been a real issue. Must be 10 times this season McNabb has called a time out because the play wasnt in yet.
That's a pretty conservative estimate, considering it happens once or twice a half.
I've been complaining about clock management to anyone who will listen. It deserves it's own thread, but I won't start one until I've got something more interesting to say about it than "it sucks."
But smoking baby Jesus, it's farging horrible! They have no idea what they are doing out there. Don't know the play that was originally called. Don't know the audibles. I saw more broken plays yesterday than you do at the qualifying round for the Special Olympics Football tournament.
farging Suck.
1 x 14 = 5
2 x 14 = 10
C'mon, GF... It's the new math.
BTW, I had the pleasure of a detour through Croydon Thursday night. I don't think there's a more beautiful town*.
*off Rt 13 in between 413 and Street Rd
It's a close race between Bensalem and Croydon.
Quote from: hydrocodone on October 30, 2005, 06:50:03 PM
Hi, long time lurker and first time poster. If the Eagles continue the road they're on right now, and don't, at a minimum, go to the NFC championship game, then Reid should be fired from his position as head coach. Forget about what he has done hitherto, but look at what he is doing now? What in the world is up with this "pass only" offense? Let me see if I've got this straight: You've got an injured QB, a WR that is essentially a big baby but a big talent, and a pro-bowl caliber RB, and you inexplicably choose to run an offense that not only chooses to rely on the passing game, but does so EXCLUSIVELY. It's one thing to have a good passing game, allowed by a strong running game, but to think you can win in this league by doing NOTHING but passing the ball all day long is ludicrous, embarrasing, and un-professional.
What will happen, if Reid chooses to continue with this little experiment, is exactly what's happening right now in Denver. It will change from a pass only offense by choice, to a pass only offense by necessity. There's a BIG difference. There they are, four TD's behind, and now they have no choice but to pass on every play. If they had slowed things down a little, and tried to establish a running game, things may have been different and the Eagles could have had a chance to develop a rythym in a place like Denver.
I don't see how a person like Reid, who up to now has been considered one of the premier coaches in the league, has chosen from week 6 forward to implement this outrageous experiment of his, but he's got a lot to answer to if he doesn't reverse course immediately. The Eagles were weak enough at WR to expect to enjoy a pass heavy offense, much leass a pass only offense. Why is he doing what he's doing? It would be different if the Eagles were forced to abandon the game plan early in every game, and resort to a pass only offense, but the Eagles have come out of the gates with this unbelievable pass only offense. What is Reid doing? Is he somehow trying to make a name for himself? Does he somehow think that his team could be the only team in the history of the NFL to even try and win games without even so much as trying to establish a running game?
I'm sorry, but Andy Reid has a lot to answer to the people of Philadelphia, the Eagles players, and even the fans of the NFL. His selfish approach to this is despicable, and should he choose not to do an about face, and admit his mistake, then he should pay the price with his job. He should be fired, and there's no way you can justify trying to win in the NFL without at an absolute minimum trying to establish a running game, ESPECIALLY when you have a RB like Westbrook. Reid is embarrassing!!
It's time to either resign, or let him embarrass himself even further and end the year by having the Eagles organization fire him. His actions are despicable!!
Gee, just think if you were a fan of:
St. Louis--how many playoff games has Martz been to since losing the Super Bowl in 2002?
Seattle--how many playoff games has Holmgren WON since he won the Super Bowl with the Packers?
Kansas City--how many playoff games has Vermeil won since he won the Super Bowl with St Louis?
Dallas--how many playoff games has Parcells won recently?
Or how about the great Belicheck--even his 2002 team MISSED THE PLAYOFFS
or, how about these teams--
New Orleans--just think, we could have had Jim Haslett coaching this team, which would have meant no McNabb and probably no playoffs
Houston--or we could have had Dom Capers
As I said in other threads on other boards, Reid won't be truly appreciated for what he's done in Philly until he leaves--a lot like Mike Schmidt with the Phillies. And THEY STILL HAVEN'T FOUND A WORTHY SUCCESSOR TO HIM YET.
Do you realize this is the most prosperous this organization has been since the 40s?
Yes, let's go back to teams that were like the 1972 team--14 TDs in 14 games
Everyone is frustrated, but a lot of people are being ridiculous. And who are you going to get to replace him that would be a QUALITY REPLACEMENT. Not Weis--he's locked up for 10 years. Pete Carroll you say--not a chance; he failed in his first two stops.
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 01, 2005, 05:48:36 PM
Or how about the great Belicheck--even his 2002 team MISSED THE PLAYOFFS
This is exactly why all the bullshtein talk about the Patriots being a dynasty is totally farged up. How can you be a damn dynasty when you miss the playoffs within the past three years? That is no farging dynasty. Farg the Patriots!!
3/4 Super Bowls... even if it's not a dynasty, it ain't too bad either.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 01, 2005, 08:55:16 PM
3/4 Super Bowls... even if it's not a dynasty, it ain't too bad either.
Agreed.
Another lurker who is posting for the first time here.
I was at the game in Denver, and all I can say is even the Bronco fans were upset at Andy. The people around me just couldn't believe that Andy was so arrogant that he thought he could just pass all game. Even though they were feeling great that the Broncos were winning, alot of them felt sorry that us Eagle fans paid 65bucks per ticket and travel expenses to watch that crap.
I have wanted Reid to get fired for the last 3 years. Each year he let key players go, and slowly changed to this pass only offense. I saw it coming, but nobody would listen.
Quote from: NextLevel on November 02, 2005, 12:40:33 AM
I saw it coming, but nobody would listen.
shut up stupid, you didn't see anything coming. this team has been sucessfull year after year and now that they are only one game above .500 you feel that you are somewhat vindicated in your irrational hatred of Andy Reid. what happened, he didn't sign an autograph for you one day?
reid should be fired not cause of this year but because hes a sucky coach
i seriously dont see him ever being fired...lurie is way to far up his anus...at some point down the road...several years most likely...reid will eventually get sick of the calls for his head and resign...he will never be fired tho
Reid shouldn't be fired. Let's get real here.
Quote from: NextLevel on November 02, 2005, 12:40:33 AM
I have wanted Reid to get fired for the last 3 years. Each year he let key players go, and slowly changed to this pass only offense. I saw it coming, but nobody would listen.
Mark Eckel?
Um couldn't all of this be remedied by allowing someone else to call the plays?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 08:44:07 AM
Reid shouldn't be fired. Let's get real here.
I think it's too late for realism in this thread, don't cha think? C'mon Phreak... get with the program!
Let's get rid of the best coach the organization has ever had when he's 4-3 and has us 1 game behind the best record in the conference.
Brilliant! :yay
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 02, 2005, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 08:44:07 AM
Reid shouldn't be fired. Let's get real here.
I think it's too late for realism in this thread, don't cha think? C'mon Phreak... get with the program!
Let's get rid of the best coach the organization has ever had when he's 4-3 and has us 1 game behind the best record in the conference.
Brilliant! :yay
Good point.
I guess Kotite and Ray Bob are missed? Perhaps we need Mike Tice or Mike Sherman here.
Well, they should be available come January. Dom Capers and Jim Haslett too.
Isn't Mora still available? [squeaky voice]Playoffs....Playoffs?![/squeaky voice]
Quote from: NextLevel on November 02, 2005, 12:40:33 AMI have wanted Reid to get fired for the last 3 years. Each year he let key players go, and slowly changed to this pass only offense. I saw it coming, but nobody would listen.
no one is listening now. especially since you have seemingly been trying to get reid fired since they lost the NFCCG to the rams, when they were underdogs the whole way.
you are an idiot. go back to lurking.
The only good thing about Mora is that quote. :-D
Hey...we could fire Reid and get Haslett. Afterall he's the guy who Modrak, Lurie and Banner originally set their sights on. And Capers was mentioned back then too.
Ah, how quickly we all forget the Philadelphia Stars. At least SOMEONE in this town won something in the last 25 years....
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 02, 2005, 10:38:54 AM
Ah, how quickly we all forget the Philadelphia Stars. At least SOMEONE in this town won something in the last 25 years....
The Wings were fairly dominant while the Gait brothers were there.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2005, 10:06:55 AM
The only good thing about Mora is that quote. :-D
Hey...we could fire Reid and get Haslett. Afterall he's the guy who Modrak, Lurie and Banner originally set their sights on. And Capers was mentioned back then too.
Yeah, and T.O. had to go and farg that up too. :-D
Quote from: NextLevel on November 02, 2005, 12:40:33 AM
Another lurker who is posting for the first time here.
I was at the game in Denver, and all I can say is even the Bronco fans were upset at Andy. The people around me just couldn't believe that Andy was so arrogant that he thought he could just pass all game. Even though they were feeling great that the Broncos were winning, alot of them felt sorry that us Eagle fans paid 65bucks per ticket and travel expenses to watch that crap.
I have wanted Reid to get fired for the last 3 years. Each year he let key players go, and slowly changed to this pass only offense. I saw it coming, but nobody would listen.
Each year each team lets key players go. It's called free agency.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 02, 2005, 10:43:07 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 02, 2005, 10:38:54 AM
Ah, how quickly we all forget the Philadelphia Stars. At least SOMEONE in this town won something in the last 25 years....
The Wings were fairly dominant while the Gait brothers were there.
Pfft. Lacrosse ::)
Thems fightin words.
Question for you Next Level:
How many key players did Reid release who played lights out for their new team? So far, after 7 years, maybe 2--Shawn Barber, who never wanted to be here more than one year anyway, ahd a good first year with KC until he injured both knees (AGAIN); and this year, Burgess; if you want to say Duce last year, okay, but he wound up again injured and this year hasn't done squat because he's injured yet again. However, NO COACH OR ORGANIZATION has a crystal ball in March for what is going to happen in September. I dare say that if Burgess hadn't been injured the last 4 games last year, the Eagles MIGHT HAVE tried harder to re-sign him. However, after you lose a guy to injury for two years, and he gets hurt again, there is a distinct feeling of deja vu. And before you draw a comparison to Kearse, remember that Kearse had double-digit sack years behind him--Burgess did not. And Burgess didn't blossom until Johnson swapped him and Kearse in the NFCCG.
Just saw this thread...and it's ridiculous. Come on, people.
And why is it the negative stuff that draws out the lurkers?
I thought painkillers were suppose to make you feel good?
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 02, 2005, 09:52:21 AM
Well, they should be available come January. Dom Capers and Jim Haslett too.
Isn't Mora still available? [squeaky voice]Playoffs....Playoffs?![/squeaky voice]
Well, Mora is the only Philadelphia pro football coach to win his league's championship in my lifetime. :D
How many here remember the old USFL days? The Stars were dominant! :yay
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 02, 2005, 10:38:54 AM
Ah, how quickly we all forget the Philadelphia Stars. At least SOMEONE in this town won something in the last 25 years....
Great minds think alike, MMH. 8)
Quote from: bobbyinlondon on November 02, 2005, 12:23:50 PM
Question for you Next Level:
How many key players did Reid release who played lights out for their new team? So far, after 7 years, maybe 2--Shawn Barber, who never wanted to be here more than one year anyway, ahd a good first year with KC until he injured both knees (AGAIN); and this year, Burgess; if you want to say Duce last year, okay, but he wound up again injured and this year hasn't done squat because he's injured yet again. However, NO COACH OR ORGANIZATION has a crystal ball in March for what is going to happen in September. I dare say that if Burgess hadn't been injured the last 4 games last year, the Eagles MIGHT HAVE tried harder to re-sign him. However, after you lose a guy to injury for two years, and he gets hurt again, there is a distinct feeling of deja vu. And before you draw a comparison to Kearse, remember that Kearse had double-digit sack years behind him--Burgess did not. And Burgess didn't blossom until Johnson swapped him and Kearse in the NFCCG.
Good point. I wanted Burgess back after his playoff performances but could see why Andy didn't re-sign. Likewise, I was unsure about bringing Buckhalter back. But hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Bringing Buckhalter back was a very limited risk, because he signed for dirt cheap.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 03, 2005, 08:18:22 AM
Bringing Buckhalter back was a very limited risk, because he signed for dirt cheap.
True, but they didn't pursue a big-ish back in the draft or free agency because they had Buck. This was a mistake.
I think they didn't pursue a "biggish" back, because they don't value them at all, not because they thought they were set at that position with Buckhalter. They went with Moats, because he has the possibility of being a gamebreaker.
Basically, I'm saying it's their overall philosophy that should be questioned, and not their reliance on Buckhalter.
Besides, Gordon has actually looked pretty good, but he's not getting the ball anyway.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 02, 2005, 11:15:34 AM
Thems fightin words.
fargin' A, they are.
Lacrosse rulez.
Moats has been awesome compared to Brandon Jacobs. Playing time is totally over-rated.
Not to mention that Jacobs couldn't catch a concussion if his life depended on it.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 03, 2005, 08:41:58 AM
I think they didn't pursue a "biggish" back, because they don't value them at all, not because they thought they were set at that position with Buckhalter. They went with Moats, because he has the possibility of being a gamebreaker.
Basically, I'm saying it's their overall philosophy that should be questioned, and not their reliance on Buckhalter.
Besides, Gordon has actually looked pretty good, but he's not getting the ball anyway.
They've always had room for a decent-sized back. Duce, Dorsey Levens, Buck, Gordon, but I think they were dumb depending on Buck to get healthy when he's had injury problems. Maybe Gordon's not getting his chances because he doesn't know the offense that well yet. ??? I'd prefer to see us cut our losses with Buck and draft/sign/draft and sign a "biggish" tailback in the offseason.
I contend that Gordon can bring everything to the table that Jacobs can.
Of course, we'll probably never know. What's the point of a change-of-pace back when running itself is simply for a change-of-pace? What's the point of a goalline back if you prefer to pass in the red zone?
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 03, 2005, 08:47:03 AM
I'd prefer to see us cut our losses with Buck and draft/sign/draft and sign a "biggish" tailback in the offseason.
I'm pretty sure that Buck's career is over. No harm in letting the guy attempt to rehab under the Eagles' watch. He's not costing anything against the salary cap this year. As for getting a "biggish" tailback, I think that they will. If they can get Gordon going a little down the stretch, he might be interested in hanging around for fairly cheap. If not, who knows? Besides, if they can't sign Westbrook, they'll could very well go after a Shaun Alexander or Edgerrin James.
Then again, they'll basically have no choice but to go cheap or get someone in the draft if they continue to only run 30% of the time or so. It's like a pitcher wanting to go to the Rockies (or Phillies for that matter).
i think Gordon is the guy they need to compliment Westbrook. everytime he gets his one carry a game, he runs hard and gets positive yards.
Yeah, I know we pass all the time, but it has been even more this year, I think, because of personnel at running back, not due to any philosophical shift.
Duce = Ray Rhodes guy
Dorsey = injury fill-in who Reid knew and was comfortable with
Gordon = best of the scrap heap
The only "big back" Reid can really take credit for is Buck and even then he really didn't draft him - Modrak did.
Reid's RBs are pass receivers first and runners second. The faster that is realized the less disappointed you'll be.
I'd like a bigger back too. But even if we had one is Reid going to run it a ton? Nope.
wasnt reid around for one of duce's contract extensions? before he got all pissy ever offseason?
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 03, 2005, 08:55:30 AM
i think Gordon is the guy they need to compliment Westbrook. everytime he gets his one carry a game, he runs hard and gets positive yards.
complement
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