Or curse at them or boo them or do whatever it is you want to do.
This thread is right on time.
:-D :'( :boom :puke
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
phillies > eagles
Farg Philly!
Battle for last place next week!
WE...fargING...SUCK!!!!!
BoooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:39:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 06:35:40 PM
phillies > eagles
Temple Football > Eagles
1998 Eagles > 2005 Eagles :-\
I'm going to agree with that simply because I think we all knew that the 98 Eagles would suck. At least they knew how to live up to expectations.
:-D
:boo :-D
Damn, folks, I'm hating on our Eagles as much as y'all are right now but I still couldn't go so far as to compare them disparagingly to the suckage that was '98. Hell, we've already won more games than we did that entire season!
They can't play on the road this year. They look like a bunch of Hoydas.
I've been rooting for the Broncos since the beginning of the second quarter. First time I ever did that with the Eagles.
I'm actually enjoying seeing us get our asses handed to us. Andy needs to be taught a lesson.
halftime story. I was cleaning out some old VHS tapes and I came across the Eagles first pre season game under Andy Reid. I threw it in the VCR for a little trip down memory lane. Doug Pederson was booed after the first drive. lol.
Quote from: MURP on October 30, 2005, 07:05:07 PM
halftime story. I was cleaning out some old VHS tapes and I came across the Eagles first pre season game under Andy Reid. I threw it in the VCR for a little trip down memory lane. Doug Pederson was booed after the first drive. lol.
:-D Ah, the good ole days.
Quote from: MURP on October 30, 2005, 07:05:07 PM
halftime story. I was cleaning out some old VHS tapes and I came across the Eagles first pre season game under Andy Reid. I threw it in the VCR for a little trip down memory lane. Doug Pederson was booed after the first drive. lol.
i miss bobby hoying
If it makes you feel any better, the Bucs are trailing the 49ers by 9 points.
yea haters... :flipoff
It obvious that during halftime Reid pulled this thread up and showed it to the team. You're welcome bitches.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 08:01:22 PM
It obvious that during halftime Reid pulled this thread up and showed it to the team. You're welcome bitches.
:-D :-D :-D
The 2005 Eagles are the bestest team evar.
Next game they win, Reid gets a Gatorade shower.
I totally blame this game on Trotter.
It's so obviously TO's fault. bastich. >:D
He totally stopped playing. Him and Westbrook did nothing all game long.
Ya gotta admit that the playcalling was great though. I mean, to keep running 3 and 4 receivers out when Denver is blitzing like that? Pure genius.
What else are we going to do, leave our revolving door blockers back there?
I'm a little upset that Tra didn't get called for a single false start. :(
andy has made me sick for five years now...and i hate to say it...because i love him but donovan joins him at this point...they both need to go and start this whole thing a new
sad thing is lurie will never ever get rid of andy
Quote from: General_Failure on October 30, 2005, 09:18:21 PM
What else are we going to do, leave our revolving door blockers back there?
I'm a little upset that Tra didn't get called for a single false start. :(
No illegal formations, either? Wuzzupwitdat?! ???
Blame Trotter. That's the only logical explanation.
I'd like to but right now I'm too pissed of at Andy Reid's big ass for not only throwing all the time but also for being such a dipshtein that he couldn't bring himself to put in some max protect packages to stop Denver from blitzing on every single effing down.
I'm still a bit miffed that McNabb gets no time to audible.
Hey while we're at it I'm still miffed that he's even on the field at all! We'd be doing better this year with Neckbeard out there calling all of the plays himself! >:(
We need more McCants out there. Him and Wilbur can turn this thing around.
What we need is to re-sign Amp Lee and Darnell Autry and run them in the wishbone with Lamar Gordon. :flipoff
You mean Mahe.
No I don't. Mahe's hands are too good and he's too fast for my plans.
Wow. Too much information.
Where have you gone Anthony Toney??? :-\
-McNabb has thrown multiple INTs in back to back games for the first time in his career...
-This was the worst loss by the Birds since Joe Kuharich coached the team
Quote from: SD_Eagle on October 30, 2005, 06:39:04 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on October 30, 2005, 06:38:26 PM
Quote from: MDS on October 30, 2005, 06:35:40 PM
phillies > eagles
Temple Football > Eagles
1998 Eagles > 2005 Eagles :-\
:-D We need KASEEM SINCENO back so he can score the winner against the taterskins!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 31, 2005, 04:24:01 AM
-This was the worst loss by the Birds since Joe Kuharich coached the team
:o
Um actually, I'd say the 62-10 loss to the Giants under Ed Khayat was worse. In fact, anyone who truly believes that Andy Reid should be dumped should be forced to sit through an evening of 1972 Eagles "highlights". :puke
I was pissed, then I was just laughing watching the highlights from yesterday, but, I'm pissed again.
I hate these bums. I swear, they exist just to break our hearts. fargers.
I had a feeling that this was going to be a loss. In the grand scheme of things going 3-1 against the AFC west is probably better then the rest of the NFC East will do.
What does bug me about the loss is the way they went about it. The team is poorly coached right now. There's talent enough on both sides of the ball but something isn't working.
P.S. Lito's a fraud.
there would be a different feeling about this season if the wins would have been in the dominating fashion like last year. the problem is, they have gotten blown out 2 times, and they blew a lead to Oakland, needed a monster comeback againt KC and needed a miracle against San Diego. they very easily could be 2-5 or even 1-6.
What pissed me off the most, was the return to last week's discussion. I think RJS brought it up. We had ALL the momentum in the second half, roared back to 7 down, and McNabb throws that pick. The second week in a row he went farging stupid, and cost us a FG. We got away with it last week on a miracle play, and this week it cost us the game. We get 3 there, I seriously believe we win the game. THROW THE BALL AWAY STUPID!! What, you're going to argue Brown was open?!
i won't defend the pick, but he did have one on one coverage with a rookie corner. i think you'd take that matchup anyday. i have a feeling Brown didn't cut to the post quick enough, allowing the corner to undercut him.
You don't pull anything risky with the game on the line. At that point it was all about momentum. A FG keeps it, a pick gives it away. And, yeah, maybe it's a rook corner, but he's on a rook receiver. A wash at best.
I saw this game as a loss, so I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, and I agree that the rest of the NFC East is unlikely to go 3-1 against these teams. My worries are not that we lost, but 1) that after several games of ineffective offense, NOTHING was changed, 2) our defense is miserable and 3) our special teams have got to be the worst in the league.
The defense, I think, is a personel problem. Our LBs are WAY below average and our DEs are farging terrible.
The other two problems are coaching, pure and simple. The offense is a farging joke right now and the special teams are even worse. If that shtein doesn't get corrected this season is over.
yeah, i thought this was a loss too, but not like this. you would hope they would be competitive.
the main problem with this team is that no one is picking up the slack for anyone else. the defense gives up an opening drive for a TD and the offense goes 3 and out, giving them no time to regroup. then the defense gives up another TD, putting the offense in big whole, who ends up going 3 and out again.
all 3 units are piling garbage on top of each other. the offense got it together in the 2nd half, but by then it was too late.
if donovan can't get past this slow start shtein than you might as well have him take the surgery. it does the team no good to have him not be effective for an entire half while the oppsing team racks up a 21 to 28 point lead.
yeah, it is kind of amazing how bad the entire team plays as a whole. You wouldnt think the Defense and the offense would be putting up terrible performances in the same games, multiple times. When an entire team plays like crap I think it goes back to the coaches.
I thought the special teams looked decent overall yesterday. Much better than the offense or defense, at least.
yeah, our kickoffs were pretty deep, at least we have that going for us.
Too bad the short field wasn't the problem with our defense......
Cortez was doing his Akers impersonation and was in on a tackle, too. So we got THAT going for us... which is nice.
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 31, 2005, 10:45:54 AM
Cortez was doing his Akers impersonation and was in on a tackle, too. So we got THAT going for us... which is nice.
Maybe he should be playing OLB then.
i have not been one of the ones whining about the cap room up to this point. but if they pass this deadline for putting bonus money towards this year cap without doing anything, they should be killed for it.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 31, 2005, 11:05:26 AM
i have not been one of the ones whining about the cap room up to this point. but if they pass this deadline for putting bonus money towards this year cap without doing anything, they should be killed for it.
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with this. I haven't bitched one bit about them not using their cap room, but this is farging retarded. Get something done you miserable sacks of shtein.
Make room, I'm jumping in the boat with you two on this one.
huge, throbbing erection boners left, right, and center
Jake Plummer would be in the HOF within a year if he could play 16 games a year against the Eagles.
Losses hurt, but the way they have lost this year makes me sickl.
That pick McNabb threw going in to tie the game was bad, but what really kills me is that Gordon was on the 10 yard line completely wide open, and had McNabb seen him, he could have walked into the end zone.
They are just simply not getting anything done.
And for the D to get pushed around and dominated the way they did is just mind boggling.
I don't know, man. I'm so pissed off about this team. farging bums. All of 'em.
Andy needs to get off his ego trip! How can you have an injured QB and still refuse to run the ball!!
McNabb is more hurt then help for this team, he cant throw accurately most of the time. Hes taking a ton of bad sacks instead of throwing the ball away. Hes not seeing the entire field most of the time. McNabb isnt the same field general as last year plain and simple. Love the guy but why bother playing in pain when you cant do what you are used to doing.
Spach SUCKS! Parry SUCKS! Mahe (a Mormon keepsake) SUCKS!
LJ isnt consistent
Westbrook is being wrongly used 95% of the time. Probably wont resign with the Eagles based on ARs garbage offensive Offense Philosophy (ie ITS MINE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GET THE FARG OUT)
No Dline pressure @ ALL
Kearse is a Mary with all his stingers!!
ARs offense is just too complicated for most players to comprehend. How is it that there are about 10 other teams using a variation of the WCO and they seem to bring in players including rookies who can play within a year?? Seems to me everyone the Eagles have drafted has been no better than a #2.
Lito Sucks!
i am actually going to defend the offense here. the 1st quarter you have to give the broncos credit. the 9 man front completely baffled them. as it probably would anyone. even a max protect of 8 blockers isnt going to stop 9 guys.
take away the first quarter + (the first 5 drives...10 incomplete passes, 2 rushes) and the offense played pretty well compared to the last few weeks.
play selection from the 6th drive on...17 rushes, 26 pass plays (thats a 60/40 split).
mcnabbs numbers from the same point on... 12-24 (not terrible consindering they were down 28 goddamn points. and the 1st interception was a tipped pass i believe.) mcnabb was also throwing better at that point, and he was pretty mobile as well. again, not the best we've ever seeen, but certianly better than the past few weeks.
again, i think the offense kinda woke up this week, it looked more together on plays. not perfect, but better. again, this all happened after they were able to break the 9 man front of the bronco's and make them play more honest.
the special teams was decent at well. hood did average 25 yards a return. again, those numbers are not bad. and
the defense is just completely unreliable. there were three 70+ yard TD drives (2 of them were over 80 in the 4th quarter). the front 7 just blows. this "small and fast" defense that johnson loves is not working. i think teams have figured johnson out. and we have him as DC for what, 5 more years? there is not a DE on this team that ANYONE would think about double teaming, the Tackles are "ok" but then again, with no ends they become worn out and useless by the end of the game.
trotter is the only LB worth anything right now. mr bowtie and the bullet can eat shtein. the both suck. and neither would be a starter on any other team in the nfl. and they only start for the eagles because the backups are worse. Johnson doesnt value LB? well farg him.
the secondary is the strength of the defense, BUT they can only do so much. they've covered for the the rest of the defense all season. a game like yesterday was bound to happen. and will continue to happen until this "so called best DC in the NFL" actually gets his own ego put in check and sees that his scheme will not carry the defense so long as he doesnt pick up the talent. and since JJ pretty much has total control over the defensive personelle, this season long (minus one game) collapse of the defense is entirely the fault of the defensive coordinator.
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Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 31, 2005, 11:05:26 AM
i have not been one of the ones whining about the cap room up to this point. but if they pass this deadline for putting bonus money towards this year cap without doing anything, they should be killed for it.
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with this. I haven't bitched one bit about them not using their cap room, but this is farging retarded. Get something done you miserable sacks of shtein.
i have bitched about it all along....and i was right.
Quote from: mhunt on October 31, 2005, 12:20:11 PM
i have bitched about it all along....and i was right.
not yet you aren't, if they don't do anything with it, then you can say you're right. but right now we still don't know what they are going to do.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 31, 2005, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: mhunt on October 31, 2005, 12:20:11 PM
i have bitched about it all along....and i was right.
not yet you aren't, if they don't do anything with it, then you can say you're right. but right now we still don't know what they are going to do.
what can they possibly do with it to help this year's team?
i'm right.
Let's give Chad Lewis a $10 million signing bonus.
Let's sign Michael Lewis to a new deal. He's totally earned it. Everyone named Lewis gets a new deal!
Can Michael Lewis beef up and play WIL?
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 31, 2005, 12:48:20 PM
Can Michael Lewis beef up and play WIL?
I'd rather have him there now even minus the beef. Our LBs suck ass.
And Lewis sucks ass at coverage... sounds like a perfect fit!
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 31, 2005, 12:55:59 PM
And Lewis sucks ass at coverage... sounds like a perfect fit!
:-D :-D :yay :yay
Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 31, 2005, 09:39:11 AM
there would be a different feeling about this season if the wins would have been in the dominating fashion like last year. the problem is, they have gotten blown out 2 times, and they blew a lead to Oakland, needed a monster comeback againt KC and needed a miracle against San Diego. they very easily could be 2-5 or even 1-6.
Sun,
Well said! Feels more like 2-5 than 4-3. Wonder how 4-4 feels >:(
i have not been one of the ones whining about the cap room up to this point. but if they pass this deadline for putting bonus money towards this year cap without doing anything, they should be killed for it
no corey simon
no fullback
no kick or punt returner
horrid special teams
brutal wr's after TO
12 mil under the cap
ive lit them up from day one on this...even if they sign westbrook before the deadline they dont get a pass on this...its inexcusable
It's currently $9.5 mill. Stop saying $12 mill.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 01, 2005, 11:47:19 AM
It's currently $9.5 mill. Stop saying $12 mill.
1) how do you know this, do you have a link?
2) like 9.5 is that much better than 12
I know because I've gotten the info from a respected Philadelphia-area sports columnist and confirmed it from one that's not so respected but is at least privy to the inner workings from time to time.
Hey, I want the Eagles to spend it as much as anyone, but you might as well get it right if you're going to whine.
BTW, if Westbrook is signed this week as many people expect, the Eagles will likely pay at least $6-$7 million of his up-front money as a roster bonus on this year's cap.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 01, 2005, 11:55:03 AM
I know because I've gotten the info from a respected Philadelphia-area sports columnist and confirmed it from one that's not so respected but is at least privy to the inner workings from time to time.
Hey, I want the Eagles to spend it as much as anyone, but you might as well get it right if you're going to whine.
BTW, if Westbrook is signed this week as many people expect, the Eagles will likely pay at least $6-$7 million of his up-front money as a roster bonus on this year's cap.
ok, ok, i wasn't challenging your manhood with that question, just wondering where you got it from :chair
*btw... i don't whine. ever.
it was 12 after the season started...im not going to pretend to know how it may have changed since then but as 2) pointed out...does it really matter???
BTW, if Westbrook is signed this week as many people expect, the Eagles will likely pay at least $6-$7 million of his up-front money as a roster bonus on this year's cap.
imo they should have waited until after the season the sign westbrook and used the cap money to add (and keep) players to the team in order to win the superbowl this year...i love westbrook and want him here long term but they needed to improve the team and win the superbowl this year...not worry about whether westbrook or mike lewis would be around in 09...i would take a superbowl over westbrook any day
Valid point. Especially with 20/20 hindsight.
if you could buy a superbowl you would might have a point.
Valid point. Especially with 20/20 hindsight
except i said this all summer and into the season
buying a superbowl is not the same thing as at the very least keeping your team in tact and really what should have been done is improve your team to get over that final hump...not take steps backwards
whats goping to happen now is that the whole season will be blamed on donovans injury...and its true that is the #1 reason they are in trouble....but it shouldnt hide the fact that they did nothing to improve the team over last year...and in fact made it noticeably worse...both on the field and off...oh and the game day coaching sucks balls
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2005, 12:08:12 PM
oh and the game day coaching sucks balls
yes it does. Which is why I dont think keeping Burgess, Simon, Mayberry, Reese or whomever would have made a real difference right now.
Who didn't they sign that would have made a ringing difference?
Burgess? Come on. He barely started last year and was hurt the rest of the time. He had one good game and cashed in like a motherfarger. Good for him. At best, his loss was marginal.
Simon? I'll grant you, he might have made a bit of a difference in run support but it was pretty clear he was done with the Eagles and wasn't interested in signing there anyway, so you can count him out.
Mayberry? No. Marginal difference at best.
Ike Reese? Career back-up. Nice player but certainly not a difference maker. They miss his heart, though, I'll give you that much.
I'm not seeing it, guys. All the gnashing that's going on over the cap is a joke because none of the players the Eagles let go would have make a significant difference to the wins/losses of this team thus far.
yes it does. Which is why I dont think keeping Burgess, Simon, Mayberry, Reese or whomever would have made a real difference right now.
you're right on that one. None of those guys are really huge impact guys. Reese would help special teams and Mayberry could be useful due to his being able to block, but other that that it woud strictly be depth.
stop it.
to say that losing 2 starters from the d-line (burgess/simon) & replacing them with their backups hasn't hurt the team is ridiculous....and i'm sure ike would've helped on special teams, which happens to suck this year.
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:18:28 PM
stop it.
to say that losing 2 starters from the d-line (burgess/simon) & replacing them with their backups hasn't hurt the team is ridiculous....and i'm sure ike would've helped on special teams, which happens to suck this year.
Burgess wouldn't have been starting if Kalu was healthy.
to say that losing 2 starters from the d-line (burgess/simon) & replacing them with their backups hasn't hurt the team is ridiculous....
was the front office supposed to know that Jerome was gonna get shot in the offseason?
Quote from: Tomahawk on November 01, 2005, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:18:28 PM
stop it.
to say that losing 2 starters from the d-line (burgess/simon) & replacing them with their backups hasn't hurt the team is ridiculous....and i'm sure ike would've helped on special teams, which happens to suck this year.
Burgess wouldn't have been starting if Kalu was healthy.
says you.
btw, burgess already has 7 sacks this season.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 01, 2005, 12:21:06 PM
to say that losing 2 starters from the d-line (burgess/simon) & replacing them with their backups hasn't hurt the team is ridiculous....
was the front office supposed to know that Jerome was gonna get shot in the offseason?
what had mcdougle done to make anyone think he was ready to step in & contribute? :-D
what had mcdougle done to make anyone think he was ready to step in & contribute? :-D
i'm just gonna make a wild guess and assume the coaching staff thought he had a shot to.
no pun intended.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 01, 2005, 12:24:44 PM
what had mcdougle done to make anyone think he was ready to step in & contribute? :-D
i'm just gonna make a wild guess and assume the coaching staff thought he had a shot to.
they've been wrong before...the guy couldn't even get on the field when healthy...which is never.
they've been wrong before...the guy couldn't even get on the field when healthy...which is never.
you're right, Burgess had a completely healthy career in Philly. they should have given him big money. They were already committing a bunch of money at one guy with injury issues. It made sense to keep him instead of throwing cartoon money at Burgess.
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
hindsight is fun isnt it.
only after your team gets bent over by the Denver Broncos.
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 01, 2005, 12:28:37 PM
they've been wrong before...the guy couldn't even get on the field when healthy...which is never.
you're right, Burgess had a completely healthy career in Philly. they should have given him big money. They were already committing a bunch of money at one guy with injury issues. It made sense to keep him instead of throwing cartoon money at Burgess.
burgess has 7 sacks.
kalu has 1.
mcdougle hasn't played a game.
if you think they did the right thing, then i guess you're happy with what they're getting from the RDE position.
i'm not.
Gotta love 20/20 hindsight.
Burgess DID come up huge in the NFC playoffs last year, but considering his injury history, matching the deal Oakland gave him would have been ridiculous. On the flip side, McDougle and Kalu were already under contract.
Dude. Trent Cole, dude. Trent. Cole.
Our DEs rule.
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
face it...they stuck with their philosophy of not paying their own free agents & just plugging somebody in there to take their place...and it has backfired so far.
there is absolutely nothing you can say to convince me that this team is better off without burgess & simon...nothing.
cap room can't stop the run or pressure the qb.
We could have had Justin Tuck instead of Moats.
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:10:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2005, 12:08:12 PM
oh and the game day coaching sucks balls
yes it does. Which is why I dont think keeping Burgess, Simon, Mayberry, Reese or whomever would have made a real difference right now.
that Whomever guy is having a pro bowl year to.
(http://waumadscn7.eastbay.com/is/image/EB/70032231?tags=no&WID=500&$Number=1&$LNumber=1&$RNumber=1&$Name=WHOMEVER&$ENLARGE$)
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
face it...they stuck with their philosophy of not paying their own free agents & just plugging somebody in there to take their place...and it has backfired so far.
there is absolutely nothing you can say to convince me that this team is better off without burgess & simon...nothing.
cap room can't stop the run or pressure the qb.
If there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind, then why argue the point?
I swear, this whole topic is fricken pointless.
:puke
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2005, 12:41:34 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
face it...they stuck with their philosophy of not paying their own free agents & just plugging somebody in there to take their place...and it has backfired so far.
there is absolutely nothing you can say to convince me that this team is better off without burgess & simon...nothing.
cap room can't stop the run or pressure the qb.
If there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind, then why argue the point?
i'm just trying to educate the masses, romey.
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
Unlike you, Im not going to sit back and pretend I could predict the future with McDougle and Burgess. At the time Burgess went to Oakland I would not have given him that money. But I know you think your hot shtein and always have the answers, so I'll feel free to go ahead and post a quote from you.
Quote from: mhunt on March 04, 2005, 03:58:10 PM
. i think someone will overpay burgess.
well look at that. Seems like you too thought that someone would overpay for Burgess. Now shut up with your stupid talk.
Look, I wish the Eagles had four pro bowlers on the d-line, but they don't.
Pissing and moaning over it amongst ourselves just seems like a waste of time to me. I disagree with you about Simon & Burgess. So be it.
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
Unlike you, Im not going to sit back and pretend I could predict the future with McDougle and Burgess. At the time Burgess went to Oakland I would not have given him that money. But I know you think your hot shtein and always have the answers, so I'll feel free to go ahead and post a quote from you.
Quote from: mhunt on March 04, 2005, 03:58:10 PM
. i think someone will overpay burgess.
well look at that. Seems like you too thought that someone would overpay for Burgess. Now shut up with your stupid talk.
that's the best you could come up with? you must've searched hundreds of posts. :-D
the raiders didn't overpay...burgess is producing this year.
Now shut up with your stupid talk.
yeah, what he said.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2005, 12:46:17 PM
Pissing and moaning over it amongst ourselves just seems like a waste of time to me.
dude...that's the entire reason for having boards like this. :-D
do you suppose we should actually do work instead. :paranoid
Quote from: Mad-Lad on November 01, 2005, 12:47:07 PM
Now shut up with your stupid talk.
yeah, what he said.
no.
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:46:46 PM
that's the best you could come up with?
Yeah, proving that you are full of BS is the best I could do. :yay
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
face it...they stuck with their philosophy of not paying their own free agents & just plugging somebody in there to take their place
i am sure trotter, adams, ritchie (at the time), buckhalter, and everyone else on their 2nd or 3rd contracts with the birds would disagree with that statement.
You're educating no one, huntie hunt. The Eagles' philosophy in the FO has really been working well overall. One year with a couple of "I told you so" instances is not going to make intelligent people think that a Super Bowl can be bought. Also, most of us remember a defensive line which included Burgess and Simon sucking wind attempting to pressure the quarterback more often than not, so throwing a heap of money at them would probably have changed the course of this season very little.
It's easy to whine like a bitch when the team's losing. It's hard to take a look at the big picture.
You like the easy way.
despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, not one of you can admit that letting burgess & simon go was a mistake.
that's the big picture. :-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 01, 2005, 12:50:59 PM
You're educating no one, huntie hunt. The Eagles' philosophy in the FO has really been working well overall. One year with a couple of "I told you so" instances is not going to make intelligent people think that a Super Bowl can be bought. Also, most of us remember a defensive line which included Burgess and Simon sucking wind attempting to pressure the quarterback more often than not, so throwing a heap of money at them would probably have changed the course of this season very little.
It's easy to whine like a bitch when the team's losing. It's hard to take a look at the big picture.
You like the easy way.
He's a yankee fan that explains it all!
Burgess wouldn't have been starting if Kalu was healthy.
are you kidding...kalu is a joke and has been since day one in the league...burgess clearly showed big potential from his great rookie year to the end of last year...the only question was the injuries...and while that is a valid reason not to overpay for him it doesnt change the fact that they chose not too take a chance on him and the raiders did...
its not always about who you let go but its who you replace them with...of the players who left what did the birds do as far as replacing them with someone who was A) just as good B) preferably better...this is what you need top do when youre a possesion away from winning the superbowl...you need to take chances and maybe overpay a little at the time for a young skys the limit guy like burgess...especially when he plays at a possesion that the team self admittedly covets...if you arent going to overpay at a position that you put a high value on then when are you...ive said this a million times but the birds were not 6-10 last year and in a situation where they could afford to take their chances with people like greg lewis...jerome mcdougle...nd kalu...keith adams...whatever scabs replaced ike...rod hood or reno mahe in the return game ect....ect...
to me its a legitimate question to ask what this franchise values more a minimal salary cap # and a shot at the playoffs each year or a superbowl victory
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2005, 12:54:37 PM
.if you arent going to overpay at a position that you put a high value on then when are you...
see Kearse, Jevon.
Letting Simon go was a risk, but I don't see him getting sacks either.
Letting Burgess go was not a mistake at all at the time. Not even a little bit.
Also, drafting Freddie Mitchell instead of Chad Johnson... probably a bad idea.
Letting Tom Brady slip to the Patriots so he could later beat us in the Super Bowl? UNACCEPTABLE.
Getting only a 2nd rounder for all-pro stud A.J. Feeley was a travesty.
OK, so maybe they do get it right once in a while.
The bottom line is that you're pretending you were upset about Burgess being let go all along, when in fact even you thought the Raiders overpaid him. You're lumping Burgess and Simon in together, because your opinions on letting Simon go were more documented and more recent, so you're trying to get "credit" for both.
You're not fooling anyone.
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:53:08 PM
despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, not one of you can admit that letting burgess & simon go was a mistake.
that's the big picture. :-D
I don't miss Simon or Burgess at all. I do miss the days when
mfunhole didn't troll so much.
Also, drafting Freddie Mitchell instead of Chad Johnson... probably a bad idea.
that's my favorite one. the thought of acutally having a pro-bowl caliber wide receiver who came from the draft :drool
Letting Burgess go was not a mistake at all at the time. Not even a little bit.
only cause of the money was it not a misatke...risky yes...and now we see why
and for the record i said on this board that burgess was a more important free agent than trotter and that if healthy hed one day be a dominant off the edge pass rusher in this league
The money was very high, considering his injury history and spotty production. VERY.
im not asking them to sign six big name free agents EVERY year or replace everyone who leaves with someone who is better EVERY year or resign all their own guys EVERY year or use all their cap money EVERY year...all im saying is they should have done all that THIS year...
overall they have done a good job and deserve much credit for where they have gotten this team,...but they picked an awful time to have what was their worst off season
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2005, 01:16:26 PM
overall they have done a good job and deserve much credit for where they have gotten this team,...but they picked an awful time to have what was their worst off season
We agree, then.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2005, 01:16:26 PM
im not asking them to sign six big name free agents EVERY year or replace everyone who leaves with someone who is better EVERY year or resign all their own guys EVERY year or use all their cap money EVERY year...all im saying is they should have done all that THIS year...
overall they have done a good job and deserve much credit for where they have gotten this team,...but they picked an awful time to have what was their worst off season
how exactly do you resign all of your own guys and then sign all these free agents, and make room for draftees and still stay under the 53 man roster?
Quote from: Wingspan on November 01, 2005, 01:18:37 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2005, 01:16:26 PM
im not asking them to sign six big name free agents EVERY year or replace everyone who leaves with someone who is better EVERY year or resign all their own guys EVERY year or use all their cap money EVERY year...all im saying is they should have done all that THIS year...
overall they have done a good job and deserve much credit for where they have gotten this team,...but they picked an awful time to have what was their worst off season
how exactly do you resign all of your own guys and then sign all these free agents, and make room for draftees and still stay under the 53 man roster?
I know know what IGY point really was but with the cap space the Eagles had some needs - a big one being running back - that wasn't addressed.
Come on folks we've all been Eagles fans for a long time and while there are a lot of reasons to be disappointed this is still our Eagles team and the year is yet 1/2 over. Beleive!
how exactly do you resign all of your own guys and then sign all these free agents, and make room for draftees and still stay under the 53 man roster?
i was makin a point...not being literal
heck I wanted Burgess back after his playoff performance. but again, like FF said, at the time the money was nutty.
Let's split the difference and call it 11 to 1.5.
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2005, 12:46:17 PM
Pissing and moaning over it amongst ourselves just seems like a waste of time to me.
dude...that's the entire reason for having boards like this. :-D
do you suppose we should actually do work instead. :paranoid
Yeah but it's been argued ad nauseum.
I'd rather argue about who has the better rack - Alyssa Milano or Sarah Michelle Gellar.
>:D
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 01:39:49 PM
heck I wanted Burgess back after his playoff performance. but again, like FF said, at the time the money was nutty.
Yep. But let us not forget that it will only take one injury before the money starts looking nutty all over again.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2005, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2005, 12:46:17 PM
Pissing and moaning over it amongst ourselves just seems like a waste of time to me.
dude...that's the entire reason for having boards like this. :-D
do you suppose we should actually do work instead. :paranoid
Yeah but it's been argued ad nauseum.
I'd rather argue about who has the better rack - Alyssa Milano or Sarah Michelle Gellar.
>:D
not even close...
a better question, who has the better rack - Paris Hilton or Don Vito
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2005, 01:59:16 PM
Yeah but it's been argued ad nauseum.
I'd rather argue about who has the better rack - Alyssa Milano or Sarah Michelle Gellar.
Dude, there's no contest there. Alyssa has WAY better knockers. SMG is too skinny to have competetive boobings.
So, which the farg is it?
mine is correct...murp gives himself pts for things like predicting they wont get off the island at the beginning of gilligan repeats
6.5 to 1.5 is correct. The points have been documented along the way. :deion
6 pages of bellyachin over a dude who is in Oakland and benefitting from being a 3rd down rusher.
This teams problems >>>>Derrick Burgess' presence
we can lock this thread if you'd like. The only problem is, this circular debate will wind up destroying another thread.
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
Unlike you, Im not going to sit back and pretend I could predict the future with McDougle and Burgess. At the time Burgess went to Oakland I would not have given him that money. But I know you think your hot shtein and always have the answers, so I'll feel free to go ahead and post a quote from you.
Quote from: mhunt on March 04, 2005, 03:58:10 PM
. i think someone will overpay burgess.
well look at that. Seems like you too thought that someone would overpay for Burgess. Now shut up with your stupid talk.
that's the best you could come up with? you must've searched hundreds of posts. :-D
the raiders didn't overpay...burgess is producing this year.
No shtein? ::) So what IS your solution to the Eagles' problems? Give Andy Reid a flex-capacitor?
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 03, 2005, 05:54:59 AM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
Unlike you, Im not going to sit back and pretend I could predict the future with McDougle and Burgess. At the time Burgess went to Oakland I would not have given him that money. But I know you think your hot shtein and always have the answers, so I'll feel free to go ahead and post a quote from you.
Quote from: mhunt on March 04, 2005, 03:58:10 PM
. i think someone will overpay burgess.
well look at that. Seems like you too thought that someone would overpay for Burgess. Now shut up with your stupid talk.
that's the best you could come up with? you must've searched hundreds of posts. :-D
the raiders didn't overpay...burgess is producing this year.
No shtein? ::) So what IS your solution to the Eagles' problems? Give Andy Reid a flex-capacitor?
Flux-capacitor.... FLUX, damn you! :boom
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 03, 2005, 07:23:06 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 03, 2005, 05:54:59 AM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
Unlike you, Im not going to sit back and pretend I could predict the future with McDougle and Burgess. At the time Burgess went to Oakland I would not have given him that money. But I know you think your hot shtein and always have the answers, so I'll feel free to go ahead and post a quote from you.
Quote from: mhunt on March 04, 2005, 03:58:10 PM
. i think someone will overpay burgess.
well look at that. Seems like you too thought that someone would overpay for Burgess. Now shut up with your stupid talk.
that's the best you could come up with? you must've searched hundreds of posts. :-D
the raiders didn't overpay...burgess is producing this year.
No shtein? ::) So what IS your solution to the Eagles' problems? Give Andy Reid a flex-capacitor?
Flux-capacitor.... FLUX, damn you! :boom
Oh, you know what I mean! ;)
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 03, 2005, 07:29:34 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on November 03, 2005, 07:23:06 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 03, 2005, 05:54:59 AM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:46:46 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: mhunt on November 01, 2005, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: MURP on November 01, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Burgess had 2.5 sacks last year. McDougle had 2. Yet you say that McDougle wasnt even expected to contribute this year and blame the Eagles for not getting Burgess back. hindsight is fun isnt it.
are you happy with their decision?
Unlike you, Im not going to sit back and pretend I could predict the future with McDougle and Burgess. At the time Burgess went to Oakland I would not have given him that money. But I know you think your hot shtein and always have the answers, so I'll feel free to go ahead and post a quote from you.
Quote from: mhunt on March 04, 2005, 03:58:10 PM
. i think someone will overpay burgess.
well look at that. Seems like you too thought that someone would overpay for Burgess. Now shut up with your stupid talk.
that's the best you could come up with? you must've searched hundreds of posts. :-D
the raiders didn't overpay...burgess is producing this year.
No shtein? ::) So what IS your solution to the Eagles' problems? Give Andy Reid a flex-capacitor?
Flux-capacitor.... FLUX, damn you! :boom
Oh, you know what I mean! ;)
Details, my man... details. Doc Brown could have farged Marty over big time with little mistakes like that. What if he'd only put 1.20 jiggawatts into the flux-capacitor? ;)
this is what we have resorted to, back to the future references, jeez.
Back II The Future 0\/\/n2!
(http://tn2.deviantart.com/300W/fs6.deviantart.com/i/2005/086/1/6/Point_and_Laugh_by_Joyrok.jpg)
HAHA....ha....heh.... :-\ :(
Even had the Eagles won that game, they proved the taterskins were about equally good. That's... not good.
Season over.
hey, at least we get to enjoy another 8 games, yay!
9-7...i don't see it getting any better than that.
ONE
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city
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team
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very high 1st round draft pick.
:-D
If only they had one. Right now they're 16th.... :-\
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 03:42:20 PM
If only they had one. Right now they're 16th....
That just makes trading up all the easier.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 03:42:20 PM
If only they had one. Right now they're 16th.... :-\
Season's only halway over Ed, lot of football left to be played. ;D
Quote from: rjs246 on November 07, 2005, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 07, 2005, 03:42:20 PM
If only they had one. Right now they're 16th....
That just makes trading up all the easier.
That's where they usually trade up to though.