I forget who called up WIP(someone from Bucks country courier times) and said he heard that the reason the Eagles haven't been throwing deep lately is because McNabb can't because of his injury. Derrick Gunn also said sort of the same thing on Post Game Live on CSN earlier.
Does anyone buy this? I mean he did fire a handful of cannons up the middle today. I find it hard to believe that he can't throw a deep pass if he can smoke passes across the middle. If this is true this is very very bad news. Teams need to be able to respect the deep ball in this offense. TO is a huge down field threat and if that threat is taken away then that is one less thing the defenses have to game plan for.
Maybe he can't throw more than like 25-30 yards. They used to come right out and throw 50 yard bombs on the first play most weeks.
If not then he needs to have surgery, end of story. If he can't throw a deep pass more than 30 yards then see ya McNabb get the surgery. We need that in the arsenal. Ship him out to Germany and get it over with.
Didn't McNabb throw a few deep against Dallas? His accuracy on the deep passes seems off compared to the past, but I think he still has the ability to throw it deep.
He had some zip on balls (hahaha...balls....er, anyway) today. Put instead of getting his feet underneath him, he looks like he half asses it and puts the rest in his arm. Like he used to do. Maybe he can zip it, but got no touch on the long lofts bc he can't get under the ball. That's my analysis from watching the highlights of ESPNews, lol. :)
Is there a two week period where it's easy? I wish he would have at least tried the freak show sports hernia surgery in Germany. Doesn't seem like he's doing any better week to week. I think it's just finally going to catch up to him at the end of the season. He should be walking wounded by then and teams will just blitz their ass off come crunch time since he won't be able to farging move...not that he can really now though.
Call some run plays you farg!
The thing that still remains to be seen is what McNabb is going to be the real McNabb with this injury? He was excellent vs the Chiefs. Yes, I know they have a bad pass defense, but so do the Chargers. He could just be in a slump on top of being injured which could be why he hasn't been looking himself. Even in the second half of the Raiders game he was solid too. So I don't see why with 2 weeks rest he wouldn't look better. I know the injury itself doesn't heal, but the pain does go away a little bit according to McNabb himself.
If McNabb can play like he did against the Chiefs we'd have no problem. Even though the Chiefs defense was bad, McNabb was accurate, decisive. Moreso than the last 2 games.
He needs to NOT THROW THE BALL 50 or more times a game and he'll be more effective.
i'm sure rjs will be pleased, we ran the ball double digit times this week.
It's clear he does not have near the same level of accuracy on deep passes as usual, as I said last night. He can still throw it pretty far, but not effectively.
he can throw it deep.
Quote from: T_Section224 on October 24, 2005, 07:41:27 AM
i'm sure rjs will be pleased, we ran the ball double digit times this week.
and most were in the first 15 scripted plays.
they definitely miss pinky in this apsect of the game...lewis just cant get it done..and TO isnt that kind of wr
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 08:20:24 AM
they definitely miss pinky in this apsect of the game...lewis just cant get it done..and TO isnt that kind of wr
TO isn't the kind of WR to catch the deep ball?
nope...hell take a crossing route or even a short hitch and turn it into a big play...but hes not the kind of guy that gonna take a go route and blow away a cornerr...or run deep with a corner and go up and get a ball...
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 08:20:24 AM
they definitely miss pinky in this apsect of the game...lewis just cant get it done..and TO isnt that kind of wr
Yet, another brilliant statement.
Yet, another brilliant statement
thanks g....i wouldnt go brillaint...but i thought i came strong with that one
When was the last time you saw TO catch a long pass on a go route? or a deep post? I can't remember myself. Seems to me that he turns the shorter routes into big pass gains rather than simply catching the long ball.
Pinkston was useful for that because he DID stretch the field, not only making a few catches while doing it, but also looseing the D up underneath for the likes of Westbrook, TO and that dumbass TE (whatever his name is).
McNabb missed a wide open L.J. on a deep slant yesterday and threw up a couple of other very poor passes on deep balls. His one decent "deep" pass was the deep in to McMullen. Receivers that excel in going deep aside, McNabb obviously does not have all of his facilities available to him.
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 24, 2005, 08:35:14 AM
McNabb missed a wide open L.J. on a deep slant yesterday and ... McNabb obviously does not have all of his facilities available to him.
Word. That overthrow of L.J. was abominable, an outright football travesty. Donovan must be hurt to be missing throws like that.
The only time it got painful for me watching yesterday was when Andy called a pass play on 4th and 1.
That's ridiculous. Run the friggen ball, damn it.
bringing in lamar gordon to show run was just amazing to me...lamar friggin gordon???...lolol...like hes gonna scare people into thinking run...not that anyone thought they were gonna run anyway
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 24, 2005, 07:26:02 AM
He needs to NOT THROW THE BALL 50 or more times a game and he'll be more effective.
A farging men.
Quote from: T_Section224 on October 24, 2005, 07:41:27 AM
i'm sure rjs will be pleased, we ran the ball double digit times this week.
Think again. Mostly because...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 24, 2005, 07:52:08 AM
and most were in the first 15 scripted plays.
Also this...
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 08:24:35 AM
nope...hell take a crossing route or even a short hitch and turn it into a big play...but hes not the kind of guy that gonna take a go route and blow away a cornerr...or run deep with a corner and go up and get a ball...
I completely agree with. No one is really effectively stretching the field, making the 35-45 short passes per game more difficult to complete.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 24, 2005, 09:34:57 AM
The only time it got painful for me watching yesterday was when Andy called a pass play on 4th and 1.
That's ridiculous. Run the friggen ball, damn it.
Can we all agree to never speak of this again?
Quote from: rjs246 on October 24, 2005, 09:42:37 AMQuote from: T_Section224 on October 24, 2005, 07:41:27 AM
i'm sure rjs will be pleased, we ran the ball double digit times this week.
Think again.
sorry, i forgot the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] i was so frustrated sitting there watching them pass in easy running situations, and mcnabbs touch/accuracy was not on, run the farging ball big red!
Quote from: MURP on October 24, 2005, 07:51:49 AM
he can throw it deep.
just not very well.
this season...he is
0-12 in passes over 31 yards in the air.
To add some perspective: Last season, he led the NFL in long completions. :sly
(http://www.nfl.com/u/superbowl/photos/superbowl6fe_lower.jpg)
???
Obviously the missing element is Freddie.
Never mind the opinion that he can't throw the ball deep, the fact that he can't run is the offense's biggest downer this season. Without that element, you take such a huge proportion of his game away there is no way he is going to be as effective.
Quote from: henchmanUK on October 24, 2005, 10:53:44 AM
Never mind the opinion that he can't throw the ball deep...
Yeah, nevermind the topic of this thread. Let's talk about something else.
Never mind the opinion that he can't throw the ball deep, the fact that he can't run is the offense's biggest downer this season
good point the impact of this cannot be underestimated...my seats at the linc are third row from the top end zone...and the best thing about them is being able to see the field open up...and in seeing this i noticed numerous times yesterday that the chargers were leaving HUGE running lanes open for mcnabb and dropping their lb's very deep as they had no fear whatsoever of mcnabb running
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 11:02:51 AM
Never mind the opinion that he can't throw the ball deep, the fact that he can't run is the offense's biggest downer this season
good point the impact of this cannot be underestimated...my seats at the linc are third row from the top end zone...and the best thing about them is being able to see the field open up...and in seeing this i noticed numerous times yesterday that the chargers were leaving HUGE running lanes open for mcnabb and dropping their lb's very deep as they had no fear whatsoever of mcnabb running
This is where I think the Eagles have the opportunity to have an innovative running game. I'm thinking delayed draws, wide pitches or shovel passes could tighten up the defense, slow down the pass rush and get them out of the nickel D.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 11:02:51 AMmy seats at the linc are third row from the top end zone...and the best thing about them is being able to see the field open up...and in seeing this i noticed numerous times yesterday that the chargers were leaving HUGE running lanes open for mcnabb and dropping their lb's very deep as they had no fear whatsoever of mcnabb running
you didn't have to be sitting in the end zone to see those lanes open up, they were still clear from my sideline view.
They were pretty damn visible on TV, too.
Quote from: Diomedes on October 24, 2005, 10:58:15 AM
Quote from: henchmanUK on October 24, 2005, 10:53:44 AM
Never mind the opinion that he can't throw the ball deep...
Yeah, nevermind the topic of this thread. Let's talk about something else.
:-D :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 11:02:51 AM
Never mind the opinion that he can't throw the ball deep, the fact that he can't run is the offense's biggest downer this season
good point the impact of this cannot be underestimated...my seats at the linc are third row from the top end zone...and the best thing about them is being able to see the field open up...and in seeing this i noticed numerous times yesterday that the chargers were leaving HUGE running lanes open for mcnabb and dropping their lb's very deep as they had no fear whatsoever of mcnabb running
Exactly. He may as well have the surgery now, get back for the playoffs (if we make it) and stick neckbeard in for now, because with McNabb in this shape, we don't win the Super Bowl.
If Koy or McMahon have to QB this team pack it in, folks. Seriously. We could then start a draft thread and FA lists.
And getting cut is no sure thing. Invasive surgery is not a given. Problems can arise.
And about McNabb running...
I said this to Beermonkey yesterday about him running....I think his mind is telling him he can run and run around and buy time ala Dallas MNF last year but his body isn't responding. The evidence is the stupid decisions not to throw it away about 3 times yesterday. He was trying to run and create stuff but he couldn't do it.
He wants to be a pocket QB? Now's the time to prove it. If you don't have a route...chunk it out of bounds.
yea bad decision making on those sacks. everyone was screaming, "THROW IT AWAY!!"
because with McNabb in this shape, we don't win the Super Bowl
superbowl isnt even an issue...the playoffs are a question with mcnabb like this...but at least they can still make it with him...put in either of the back-ups and season over
on a realted note i heard my first "we need a white qb/well never win with a black qb" bomb dropped this year from the guys behind me
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 12:04:31 PM
on a realted note i heard my first "we need a white qb/well never win with a black qb" bomb dropped this year from the guys behind me
Did you projectile diarrhea on them immediately?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 24, 2005, 11:55:17 AM
If Koy or McMahon have to QB this team pack it in, folks. Seriously. We could then start a draft thread and FA lists.
And getting cut is no sure thing. Invasive surgery is not a given. Problems can arise.
And about McNabb running...
I said this to Beermonkey yesterday about him running....I think his mind is telling him he can run and run around and buy time ala Dallas MNF last year but his body isn't responding. The evidence is the stupid decisions not to throw it away about 3 times yesterday. He was trying to run and create stuff but he couldn't do it.
He wants to be a pocket QB? Now's the time to prove it. If you don't have a route...chunk it out of bounds.
I agree this team doesn't have a better chance with a backup, but the situation just sucks. I can't see this team doing any better than last year's team. At this point, does it really matter if they make the playoffs or get to the NFC Championship game? Hell, I think I'd rather miss altogether than come up short of the Lombardi again.
i normally get all belligerant with people who talk that garbage...unless its an old timer then i just call them an ignorant bitter retired kkk member...but these guys said it as they were leaving after the 4th and 1 play...i wasnt about to chase them down the steps
Weren't San Diego and KC supposed to be two of the toughest games on the schedule?
Has he ever thrown the ball out of bounds? Obviously he has, but I'm sure he's taken more avoidable sacks by not throwing the ball away. On one of the plays yesterday he did awesome in avoiding the rush and getting to the sideline, but instead of throwing it away he gets sacked. He needs coached up on that.
At this point, does it really matter if they make the playoffs or get to the NFC Championship game?
nope
Hell, I think I'd rather miss altogether than come up short of the Lombardi again.
agreed...i hate waiting until 6 oclock on draft day to see their pick
Weren't San Diego and KC supposed to be two of the toughest games on the schedule?
at kc
at den
Everyone who says we can't make the playoffs without McNabb, well we did with Feeley a few years ago.
Quote from: henchmanUK on October 24, 2005, 12:29:30 PM
Everyone who says we can't make the playoffs without McNabb, well we did with Feeley a few years ago.
The team had a running game and on of the best special teams units in the league that year.
If McMullen can build on his 1 catch performance, maybe we can stick him outside and put Lewis in the slot. I betcha McNabb would start connecting on the deep balls then. 8)
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 12:04:31 PM
because with McNabb in this shape, we don't win the Super Bowl
superbowl isnt even an issue...the playoffs are a question with mcnabb like this...but at least they can still make it with him...put in either of the back-ups and season over
on a realted note i heard my first "we need a white qb/well never win with a black qb" bomb dropped this year from the guys behind me
How in the hell is that "related" to anything being discussed here?
it relates to whether mcnabb should be taken out or not
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 02:45:57 PM
it relates to whether mcnabb should be taken out or not
it's too late for that now. he shoulda sat right away. mcnabb at less than 100% concerns me greatly. but at the same time, it's too late in the season to risk not having him for 8 weeks.
oh no doubt...its sink or swim time
Thats what bothers me when I hear all of the people saying "Have him get the surgery now" on the radio or the MBs across the internet.
Once that knife goes in him....there are no guarantees that he will be back at all. Sure he could come back in 4-6 weeks. Or he could suffer complications and be done.
And if he did have it and Koy or McMahon had to play....no playoffs.
It's time for Andrew Reid to pull his head out of his f'ing ass and run the ball and take the heat off of McNabb.
And the offense needs to wake up as a group too. No more missed blocks. No more stupid fumbles. No more Donny mac throwing it to an area with 6 goddamn players waiting to pick him.
Play smart football. Go back to a dink and dunk squad with the occasional shot mixed in. Let TO do his thing. And that means creating ways to free him up ala last year.
If the Birds are going to win, it is going to be at the hands of the defense and STs until the offense gets a clue. And that means Big Red too.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 02:45:57 PM
it relates to whether mcnabb should be taken out or not
I meant the second part of your post. What does two racist iceholes yapping about black/white nonsense have to do with McNabb being able to throw the ball deep?
my bad...i forgot this was the board where every post stays on topic
No answers, huh? Yeah, I thought so.
Some of you guys are acting like McNabb is playing absolutely dreadful, and that we can't run this offense with him hurt the way he is. Again, did you all see the Chiefs game? I don't care if it was the Chiefs weak secondary. The fact is he was accurate and decisive. So we know he is capable. I think he plays a small part in why the offense looks bad. It has very little to do with McNabb's injury IMO. The main issue is the lack of a run game, the penalties that kill drives, and playcalling.
This offense has 2 weeks to get itself in gear. If we play like the last 2 weeks against the taterskins, then we won't score a point. Their defense is very good.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 24, 2005, 12:12:05 PM
i normally get all belligerant with people who talk that garbage...unless its an old timer then i just call them an ignorant bitter retired kkk member...but these guys said it as they were leaving after the 4th and 1 play...i wasnt about to chase them down the steps
You could have fired some loose change at the back of their heads.
Speaking of firing money at people...
People in the upper deck yesterday were floating dollar bills down into the crowd below to watch people fight over them.
That was entertaining to watch.
Take a Player to School huh?
This sadistic little bastich makes McNabb, sports hernia and all, "toss him a farging ball"
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Bobberton/mcnabbtoschool4_051025.jpg)
YAY!
And later on in science class, they got to learn anatomy after Donnie's guts fell out from the exertion at lunch.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 24, 2005, 07:20:35 PM
Speaking of firing money at people...
People in the upper deck yesterday were floating dollar bills down into the crowd below to watch people fight over them.
That was entertaining to watch.
:-D
:yay
The kid had to go to the nurse with a broken ankle and a slipped disk after trying to catch the pass.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 26, 2005, 03:55:59 PM
The kid had to go to the nurse with a broken ankle and a slipped disk after trying to catch the pass.
I think he fumbled it at the goal line too as the clock ran out.
Quote from: General_Failure on October 26, 2005, 03:55:59 PM
The kid had to go to the nurse with a broken ankle and a slipped disk after trying to catch the pass.
That's what those worm-burners will do to you.