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Title: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 21, 2005, 07:23:54 AM
QuoteEagles Notes Sheppard will add punt return duties

Eagles Notes

Lito Sheppard's role will expand Sunday when the Eagles play the San Diego Chargers at Lincoln Financial Field.

In addition to his duties as the starting left cornerback, he will be returning punts.

"Yeah, I'm going to do some," Sheppard said after practice yesterday. "Not every one, but you'll see me back there a couple of times."

When Sheppard isn't returning punts, Reno Mahe will handle the job instead of Dexter Wynn, who had been the Eagles' primary punt returner in the first five games.

Brian Westbrook will not be returning punts.

Sheppard was one of the most exciting punt returners in the country during his three seasons at the University of Florida, averaging 11.4 yards on 49 career returns. He also returned two punts for touchdowns.

"Look for me, especially early in the game," he said.

Sheppard handled seven punts a year ago, returning two of them for a total of 42 yards while calling for fair catches on five others. He also returned four punts for 15 yards with one fair catch in 2003 after Westbrook went down with a triceps injury.

Given his druthers, Sheppard said he would expand his duties beyond playing cornerback and returning punts.

"To tell you the truth, I've been begging for them to give me a chance on offense," he said. "I feel I can do that. The more they can get the ball in my hands, I'm all for it."


Sheppard will not return every punt because there may be times when he has to run with a receiver on third down before the Chargers line up to punt.

That's when Mahe will get a chance to return punts. Mahe was the Eagles' primary punt returner for the first nine games last season, then lost that role to Wynn after suffering an ankle injury.

Wynn initially did well as the Eagles' punt returner, breaking off runs of 40 and 30 yards in his first two games last season, but he has struggled on returns and with fielding the ball this season.

Special-teams coach John Harbaugh said he still has confidence in the second-year pro.

"I think Dexter Wynn is a great punt returner and a developing punt returner," Harbaugh said. "We saw him in the preseason make a heck of a play, so those plays are in him. He is capable of being a really productive punt returner."

Wynn returned one for a touchdown in the preseason against Baltimore. But for now, at least, he has lost that job.

Lito...just stop getting burned by he-shes in Dallas, k?
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 21, 2005, 07:38:38 AM
Wynn came back quickly from an injury and hasn't been the same.  I like the move of putting Lito back there.  He loves touching the ball and it will give him extra motivation to GET to 4th down.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 21, 2005, 07:43:46 AM
I agree that I like Lito on PRs....I don't, however, want him talking about going on offense until he can slow down Terry Glenn.... :(
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Sgt PSN on October 21, 2005, 07:48:25 AM
Team Twenty-Suck approves of this move.

Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 21, 2005, 07:43:46 AM
I agree that I like Lito on PRs....I don't, however, want him talking about going on offense until he can slow down Terry Glenn.... :(

Why not?  If he's going to give up touchdowns the least he could do is score a couple to make up for it.  :D
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 21, 2005, 07:49:00 AM
Maybe if he plays some offense once in a while, he'll have some insight into how defenses, like, stop offenses and stuff.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: T_Section224 on October 21, 2005, 07:56:29 AM
like, that's crazy talk man...
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: ice grillin you on October 21, 2005, 07:58:05 AM
lets hope we dont have a sehorn scenario in our near future
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PhillyGirl on October 21, 2005, 08:01:26 AM
We dont' need more options to THROW the ball.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on October 21, 2005, 08:18:58 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 21, 2005, 08:01:26 AM
We dont' need more options to THROW the ball.

Not if Donovan's not healthy enough to find/hit the receivers we have.  Correct.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2005, 08:22:08 AM
I don't mind this too much...better than #36 back there.

However...

1. Lito MUST hold the ball. He likes the fumbles.
2. Lito must go North-South. He likes to dance.

Reno is active again. So is Moats.

Will he have 4 RBs?
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Diomedes on October 21, 2005, 08:23:40 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 21, 2005, 07:58:05 AM
lets hope we dont have a sehorn scenario in our near future

That's exactly what I thought: Sehorn.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: ice grillin you on October 21, 2005, 08:27:15 AM
what scares me even more than a freak injury is the other team knowing that if they can take out the punt returner they also eliminate a starting corner...

that being said i support the move


Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Larry on October 21, 2005, 08:55:00 AM
Of course Lito wants to play offense, he's was Spurrier's "Champ Bailey" at UF.

As long as he doesn't fumble, I'm fine with him being the punt returner.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: rjs246 on October 21, 2005, 09:01:43 AM
Lito has the worst hands I've ever seen. That's why his highschool coaches made him a CB and that's why I'll stab my dog if he ever plays on the offensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: SunMo on October 21, 2005, 09:04:21 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 21, 2005, 09:01:43 AM
Lito has the worst hands I've ever seen. That's why his highschool coaches made him a CB and that's why I'll stab my dog if he ever plays on the offensive side of the ball.

c'mon, the worst hands you've EVER seen?  i find that highly improbable.  i can't believe that you haven't seen a parapeleic at some time in your life that has worse hands than Lito.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: rjs246 on October 21, 2005, 09:05:07 AM
No. Never.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2005, 09:06:31 AM
Na Brown.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Geowhizzer on October 21, 2005, 09:13:33 AM
Billy McMullen
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: rjs246 on October 21, 2005, 09:17:24 AM
Lito Sheppard
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: ice grillin you on October 21, 2005, 09:19:57 AM
chuck cecil
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: SunMo on October 21, 2005, 09:24:25 AM
Christopher Reeve
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: MURP on October 21, 2005, 09:24:34 AM
I like Lito's attitude.  A pro bowler willing to get in there on special teams and help out.  :yay
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Wingspan on October 21, 2005, 09:56:08 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2005, 09:06:31 AM
Na Brown.

Na Brown has one more postseason TD as an eagle than TO.

:P
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Feva on October 21, 2005, 10:00:43 AM
Yeah, but his momma named him "Na" so it doesn't count.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: MDS on October 21, 2005, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on October 21, 2005, 09:56:08 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2005, 09:06:31 AM
Na Brown.

Na Brown has one more postseason TD as an eagle than TO.

:P

so does rod carpenter
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Feva on October 21, 2005, 10:04:15 AM
Quote from: MDS on October 21, 2005, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on October 21, 2005, 09:56:08 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2005, 09:06:31 AM
Na Brown.

Na Brown has one more postseason TD as an eagle than TO.

:P

so does rod carpenter
Hell, Cecil Martin has more.

GET CECIL!
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: T_Section224 on October 21, 2005, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on October 21, 2005, 09:05:07 AM
No. Never.
didn't you beat a guy with his own arm?  i would have to imagine he has worse hands then lito
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: rjs246 on October 21, 2005, 10:12:59 AM
I think you mean worse hand.

But no, the kid plays football with us, not to mention video games. Guaranteed his hand is better than both of Lito's.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: T_Section224 on October 21, 2005, 10:28:04 AM
wow, lito really is pathetic if he can't beat out ole-one-hand.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: WEST is GOD on October 21, 2005, 01:44:44 PM
I knew they were gonna farging do this. Westbrook is our best PR PERIOD. Just fargin start him already my god.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: General_Failure on October 21, 2005, 02:01:34 PM
You're crying, aren't you.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 21, 2005, 02:33:18 PM
farg it, why we're at it put Trot out there. 
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: mussa on October 21, 2005, 02:42:52 PM
I am fine with this move.  Lito will be fine and def. better than hood, wynn or reno sure hands - no gain mahe. 
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Beermonkey on October 21, 2005, 05:02:55 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 21, 2005, 01:44:44 PM
I knew they were gonna farging do this. Westbrook is our best PR PERIOD. Just fargin start him already my god.

It's not worth it. The risk of him getting hurt vs marginal improvement in the PR games is not worth the risk.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: WEST is GOD on October 21, 2005, 05:12:15 PM
His risk in getting hurt is the same as Lito's and Lito is very important as well. It's worth the risk for sure. If he's going to get hurt then he is. You can't prevent it because he can get hurt on any play. Touching the ball more won't make a difference. I'm tired of hearing that lame excuse. You act like he's Buckhalter where his knee is bound to blow out on any play. Westbrook isn't injured often. Put him back there he's fine, and he's a tough guy. He can take a few more shots per game.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Beermonkey on October 21, 2005, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 21, 2005, 05:12:15 PM
His risk in getting hurt is the same as Lito's and Lito is very important as well. It's worth the risk for sure. If he's going to get hurt then he is. You can't prevent it because he can get hurt on any play. Touching the ball more won't make a difference. I'm tired of hearing that lame excuse. You act like he's Buckhalter where his knee is bound to blow out on any play. Westbrook isn't injured often. Put him back there he's fine, and he's a tough guy. He can take a few more shots per game.

You need to take your Ritalin before typing next time.

I never said he was a greater risk for injury, just saying it increases his risk.....the same as anyone.  This team minus Westbrook is in a lot sadder shape than this team minus Lito.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Geowhizzer on October 21, 2005, 05:41:12 PM
I say put McNabb out there.  Hits don't bother the hernia, right?   :D
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: QB Eagles on October 21, 2005, 06:05:54 PM
Hollis.  :D
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: WEST is GOD on October 21, 2005, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on October 21, 2005, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 21, 2005, 05:12:15 PM
His risk in getting hurt is the same as Lito's and Lito is very important as well. It's worth the risk for sure. If he's going to get hurt then he is. You can't prevent it because he can get hurt on any play. Touching the ball more won't make a difference. I'm tired of hearing that lame excuse. You act like he's Buckhalter where his knee is bound to blow out on any play. Westbrook isn't injured often. Put him back there he's fine, and he's a tough guy. He can take a few more shots per game.

You need to take your Ritalin before typing next time.

I never said he was a greater risk for injury, just saying it increases his risk.....the same as anyone.  This team minus Westbrook is in a lot sadder shape than this team minus Lito.

It doesn't increase his risk. You'd figure that more touches equals more chances of getting hurt, but it isn't like that. That's like saying the more plane rides you take every year the more of a chance you have of one crashing so you take less plane rides. It won't make a difference or increase his risk. You can't decrease a player's risk at getting hurt. shtein happens.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 21, 2005, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 21, 2005, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on October 21, 2005, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: TO is GOD on October 21, 2005, 05:12:15 PM
His risk in getting hurt is the same as Lito's and Lito is very important as well. It's worth the risk for sure. If he's going to get hurt then he is. You can't prevent it because he can get hurt on any play. Touching the ball more won't make a difference. I'm tired of hearing that lame excuse. You act like he's Buckhalter where his knee is bound to blow out on any play. Westbrook isn't injured often. Put him back there he's fine, and he's a tough guy. He can take a few more shots per game.

You need to take your Ritalin before typing next time.

I never said he was a greater risk for injury, just saying it increases his risk.....the same as anyone.  This team minus Westbrook is in a lot sadder shape than this team minus Lito.

It doesn't increase his risk. You'd figure that more touches equals more chances of getting hurt, but it isn't like that. That's like saying the more plane rides you take every year the more of a chance you have of one crashing so you take less plane rides. It won't make a difference or increase his risk. You can't decrease a player's risk at getting hurt. shtein happens.

The risk part: That doesn't make any sense.

The more times Lito is on the field, the more times he is at risk to be injured.  The plane analogy you made makes sense.   
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: WEST is GOD on October 21, 2005, 07:09:32 PM
The way I look at it is, the more you try to avoid injury, the guy always seems to get hurt anyway. You can't be afraid to play your best player at that spot. If he gets hurt, then he gets hurt. You gotta move on. You can't hide players from the injury bug, it's going to bite you whether you want it or not. Will giving him less touches decrease his risk? It depends on how you look at it, but if you are afraid to be your best in this league then you never will be.

On top of that the Eagles don't seem to be afraid of getting McNabb killed out there. They throw it on every down. So why the inconsistency with Westbrook? Just get him back there for punts already. He's a top 3 PR in this league. He's a threat on every play.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 21, 2005, 07:12:59 PM
Oh ok, I see what you're saying now.  I agree with you in that respects.  You can't go out there 'playing to not get hurt' - bc then you will.

But the chances of him getting injured (playing not to get injured or just playing) increase soley bc he'll be out on that field with increased reps which increases his chances to get hurt.

Let's hope he doesn't play not to get hurt and he won't.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: shorebird on October 22, 2005, 11:56:40 AM
Anyone who returns punts or kicks increases his chances of getting hurt just because the guy opposite him on special teams is looking to kill anyone with the ball. Thats the way special teamers play, but you can't worry about that when our return game has sucked like it has.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: hunt on October 23, 2005, 04:45:41 PM
lito did nothing on punt returns.....and moats did even worse. :paranoid
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: shorebird on October 23, 2005, 04:49:12 PM
I agree, our return games still sucks donkey dick. Bring back Bwest.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Feva on October 23, 2005, 04:50:59 PM
The blocking has been the problem all along... not the returners.

The last thing I want is Westbrook getting pummeled by gunners comling off "ole" blocks.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: shorebird on October 23, 2005, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on October 23, 2005, 04:50:59 PM
The blocking has been the problem all along... not the returners.

The last thing I want is Westbrook getting pummeled by gunners comling off "ole" blocks.

I agree, I hadn't really seen it until today, but the return guys had absolutly no blocking.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: WEST is GOD on October 24, 2005, 03:24:02 AM
Westbrook is the guy that doesn't need blocking as much because he is so elusive. Put him back there already. At least for punts.
Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on October 24, 2005, 07:13:22 AM
Moats is pretty elusive, too. He'd tell you himself...if he could remember his own name.

Title: Re: Lito tagged as it....punt returner, that is....
Post by: Don Ho on October 24, 2005, 04:31:16 PM
It has become so bad back there - I hate seeing Lito back there.  Scares the crap out of me.  I have resorted to the fact that the best game plan is let Reno fair catch on punt returns and pray every kickoff is fielded a yard+ deep in the end zone so who ever is back there can take a knee.