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HECKERT, CHILDRESS TRADING WINGS FOR HORNS?
There's a rumor making the rounds in league circles that, once the dust settles in Minnesota, Tom Heckert will be the G.M. and Brad Childress will be the head coach.
Both Heckert and Childress currently are with the Eagles. Childress is the offensive coordinator, and Heckert is the V.P. of player personnel.
Since Heckert is under contract through 2009, the Vikings would be able to retain his services only if Heckert is offered "final say" authority over personnel.
Vikings owner Zygi Wilf has vowed to clean up the franchise for which he paid $600 million earlier this year. It's clear to us that, in order to do so, Wilf needs to clean out the coaching staff and front office, and start all over again.
I posted this on a thread on the EMB board where it talks about who would be fired on their "Around the NFL" forum. I've been reading the Minny papers, as I read nearly all the papers from the league cities and Wilf wants to rebuild the front office and coaching staff using the 49ers as a model, who used the Eagles as a model. Although it's only rumor right now, and I know some people don't hold PFT very well-regarded; still, they came up with some things like the Moss trade before it was official and also the situation with Westbrook.
There's an article on NFL.com by Adam Schefter who says there could be 10-13 vacancies after the season and a lot of owners and GM types might start their searches by Dec 1.
Looking around the league, it's not too difficult to see who would go--
NFC North--Minny, Detroit, GB
South--New Orleans
West--St. Louis, Seattle (if Mike Holmgren doesn't win a playoff game this year)
AFC East--NY Jets (Robert Johnson doesn't get along with either Edwards or Terry Bradway)
Buffalo (Mularkey and Tom Donahoe overestimated JP Losman)
North--Pittsburgh--Cowher could make a pitch to replace Vermeil in KC as his contract is up (Vermeil's that is)
Baltimore
South--Houston, Tennessee (possibly)
West--Oakland
In addition, depending on what happens to the Boys and Skins late in the year (and now especially that the Cowboys might be hurting with their recent key injuries), whose to say that Parcells and Gibbs won't step down?
Heckert leaving would be extremely detrimental to this franchise. The Vikes would have to pay him a ton of money, though... because he already has a lot of power with the Eagles, and all the bad press goes to AR.
I wouldnt be surprised to see Childress leave. I would be surprised to see Heckert go anywhere. The Eagles have shown that they are willing to pony up the cash to keep their coaches and other executives if they really want to keep them.
Childress better get out while the gettings good. The offense might be without Westbrook and T.O. next year.
Just as a point of clarification, Martz was given a one year extension on his contract about 4 - 6 weeks ago. Not sure how that will play out with his illness, though.
Lucky for Martz, it'll either kill him or go away. If he lives, he should have no lingering problems (other than being a lunkhead, that is).
heckert is a tough call...who knows how much he really does...and even if he runs the ship as far as the draft goes has he been so good that losing him would really hurt that much...not tot ake anything away from him but i cant imagine there isnt a dozen guys out there that are as good as he is...
as for childress....who will be in charge of the tony luke runs when he leaves
well he is Reids right hand man for all scouting of the draft and any other Free Agents/practice squad etc. From all the articles about him im sure he does a hell of a lot for Reid.
The vikings next coach will be a defensive coordinator. That's what has been limiting them for the past few years--their defense.
Because of the success of the Pats, other teams are trying to follow their example by pairing a franchise QB with a defensive guru: Manning-Dungy, Vick-Mora, Palmer-Lewis, etc.
So even though Heckert could be in line for their GM job -- the Vikings would have to pay him a ton of money and provide him with unlimited GM power for that to occur -- that doesn't necessarily mean he'll bring Childress along should he be hired.
I still say when it's all said and done Gregg Williams will be the Vikings next head coach.
Quote from: Larry on October 20, 2005, 11:39:27 AM
The vikings next coach will be a defensive coordinator. That's what has been limiting them for the past few years--their defense.
heh, yeah. this year they are also crap on offense ranking 29th in scoring. ha.
well he is Reids right hand man for all scouting of the draft and any other Free Agents/practice squad etc. From all the articles about him im sure he does a hell of a lot for Reid
yeah i dont doubt this...but what has he done that would cause concern over losing him...i dont want him to go as i think continuity is important and reid is comfortable with him and vice versa...but id hardly lose any sleep over him leaving if thats what happens
since we dont really know how much he does or how important he is there is only one way to find out. If the Eagles keep him or if they let him go. If Reid needs him around id expect Lurie to do whatever is necessary to keep him.
Heckert isn't the No. 1 in football operations here though, Reid is. He could very well be swayed by the offer of that role in Minnesota.
I'm pretty certain Heckert & Co. does 99% of the personnel work, while Reid just has the final say.
If you asked Reid who are the top 5 tackles in college right now, could he name 1? I don't think so.
right now he couldnt....but btwn the end of the season and the draft reid definitely will be up on just about every potential day one pick
Yeah, that information will be provided solely by Heckert.
provided in that he will accumulate the tools to grade the players...but reid will definitely at that point make his own evaluations that may differ greatly from heckerts...just as much of heckerts info will be provided by the scouts
what this really comes down to is how much input does hecket have in the actual selection of the players
Reid was in attendance for the USC/Notre Dame game supporting Charlie Weiss. Id bet that Big Red has an idea of some college players.
Like I said before, if Heckert gets paid like a GM, has all-but final say, gets the league recognition as the true personnel chief of the Eagles, but gets very little of the blame if something goes wrong... a team would be hard-pressed to come up with a deal that would make him give it all up.
i bet if an owner asked him what a linebacker was...that would disqualify heckert right then and there.
Who's willing to put down the players drafted (are we doing this?) Modrak vs Heckert.
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 20, 2005, 02:42:32 PM
Who's willing to put down the players drafted (are we doing this?) Modrak vs Heckert.
here is the link if you want em: Draft history link (http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/eagles.html)
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 20, 2005, 02:42:32 PM
Who's willing to put down the players drafted (are we doing this?) Modrak vs Heckert.
MODRAK ERA (1999 to 2001)
1999
Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse
Barry Gardner LB Northwestern
Doug Brzezinski G Boston College
John Welbourn G California
Damon Moore DB Ohio State
Na Brown WR North Carolina
Cecil Martin RB Wisconsin
Troy Smith WR East Carolina
Jed Weaver TE Oregon
Pernell Davis DE Alabama-Birmingham
2000
Corey Simon DT Florida State
Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi
Bobby Williams T Arkansas
Gari Scott WR Michigan State
Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota
John Frank DE Utah
John Romero C California
2001
Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA
Quinton Caver LB Arkansas
Derrick Burgess DE Mississippi
Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska
Tony Stewart TE Penn State
A.J. Feeley QB Oregon
HECKERT ERA (2002 - ?)
2002
Lito Sheppard DB Florida
Michael Lewis DB Colorado
Sheldon Brown DB South Carolina
Brian Westbrook RB Villanova
Scott Peters C Arizona State
Freddie Milons WR Alabama
Tyreo Harrison LB Notre Dame
Raheem Brock DE Temple
2003
Jerome McDougle DE Miami (FL)
L.J. Smith TE Rutgers
Billy McMullen WR Virginia
Jamaal Green DE Miami (FL)
Jeremy Bridges G Southern Mississippi
Norman Lejeune DB Louisiana State
2004
Shawn Andrews T Arkansas
Matt Ware DB UCLA
J.R. Reed DB South Florida
Trey Darilek G Texas-El Paso
Thomas Tapeh RB Minnesota
Andy Hall QB Delaware
Dexter Wynn DB Colorado State
Adrien Clarke G Ohio State
Bruce Perry RB Maryland
Dominic Furio C Nevada-Las Vegas
2005
Mike Patterson DT USC
Reggie Brown WR Georgia
Matt McCoy LB San Diego State
Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech
Sean Considine DB Iowa
Todd Herremans T Saginaw Valley State
Trent Cole LB Cincinnati
Scott Young G Brigham Young
Calvin Armstrong T Washington State
Keyonta Marshall DT Grand Valley State
David Bergeron LB Stanford
heckert didnt become vp of pp until 2003
Quote from: Beermonkey on October 20, 2005, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 20, 2005, 02:42:32 PM
Who's willing to put down the players drafted (are we doing this?) Modrak vs Heckert.
MODRAK ERA (1999 to 2001)
1999
Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse
Modrak wanted Akili Smith. Fortunately, Reid got his way.
What's the criteria? I started tallying this up, but there is nothing really to compare...
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2005, 03:05:03 PM
heckert didnt become vp of pp until 2003
He was still in charge of player personnel regardless of the title change.
its ironic that the one draft that was basically all reid was by far their best
maybe andy is the pp genius...i say move him upstairs and let him gm full time and hire a better coach
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2005, 03:19:34 PM
its ironic that the one draft that was basically all reid was by far their best
maybe andy is the pp genius...i say move him upstairs and let him gm full time and hire a better coach
I agree :sly
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MODRAK ERA (1999 to 2001)
1999
Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse :yay :yay :yay
Barry Gardner LB Northwestern :boo
Doug Brzezinski G Boston College :yay
John Welbourn G California :yay
Damon Moore DB Ohio State :yay
Na Brown WR North Carolina :boo :boo :boo
Cecil Martin RB Wisconsin :yay
Troy Smith WR East Carolina :boo :boo :boo
Jed Weaver TE Oregon :yay
Pernell Davis DE Alabama-Birmingham :boo :boo :boo
2000
Corey Simon DT Florida State :yay
Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi :yay
Bobby Williams T Arkansas :yay
Gari Scott WR Michigan State :boo :boo :boo
Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota :boo :boo :boo
John Frank DE Utah :boo :boo :boo
John Romero C California :boo :boo :boo
2001
Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA :boo
Quinton Caver LB Arkansas :boo :boo
Derrick Burgess DE Mississippi :yay :yay
Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska :yay
Tony Stewart TE Penn State :-\
A.J. Feeley QB Oregon :yay
HECKERT ERA (2002 - ?)
2002
Lito Sheppard DB Florida :yay :yay
Michael Lewis DB Colorado :yay :yay :yay
Sheldon Brown DB South Carolina :yay :yay :yay
Brian Westbrook RB Villanova :yay :yay :yay
Scott Peters C Arizona State :boo
Freddie Milons WR Alabama :boo :boo :boo
Tyreo Harrison LB Notre Dame :boo :boo :boo
Raheem Brock DE Temple :yay :yay :yay
2003
Jerome McDougle DE Miami (FL) :boo
L.J. Smith TE Rutgers :yay :yay
Billy McMullen WR Virginia :boo :boo :boo
Jamaal Green DE Miami (FL) :boo :boo
Jeremy Bridges G Southern Mississippi :boo
Norman Lejeune DB Louisiana State :boo
2004
Shawn Andrews T Arkansas :yay :yay
Matt Ware DB UCLA :boo
J.R. Reed DB South Florida :yay
Trey Darilek G Texas-El Paso :boo
Thomas Tapeh RB Minnesota :-\
Andy Hall QB Delaware :boo :boo :boo
Dexter Wynn DB Colorado State :-\
Adrien Clarke G Ohio State :boo
Bruce Perry RB Maryland :boo
Dominic Furio C Nevada-Las Vegas :boo
2005
Mike Patterson DT USC :yay
Reggie Brown WR Georgia :yay
Matt McCoy LB San Diego State :boo
Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech :-\
Sean Considine DB Iowa :boo
Todd Herremans T Saginaw Valley State :boo
Trent Cole LB Cincinnati :yay
Scott Young G Brigham Young :boo
Calvin Armstrong T Washington State :boo
Keyonta Marshall DT Grand Valley State :boo
David Bergeron LB Stanford :boo
:yay :boo
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 20, 2005, 03:19:34 PM
its ironic that the one draft that was basically all reid was by far their best
maybe andy is the pp genius...i say move him upstairs and let him gm full time and hire a better coach
I was amazed at how he was still able to coach & be on the road scouting SEC & WAC games.
While both are very legit and qualified candidates, Brad Childress would have to go into Minnesota and change the offense Culpepper has been running for years into a WCO. I don't think Brad is exactly a clear-cut choice there. It seems to me that they mean there isn't really a rumor of those two going per se, but people around the league figure they are the 2 most qualified guys right now so they'd be obvious potential choices.
Quote from: Beermonkey on October 20, 2005, 02:57:41 PM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on October 20, 2005, 02:42:32 PM
Who's willing to put down the players drafted (are we doing this?) Modrak vs Heckert.
MODRAK ERA (1999 to 2001)
1999
Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse
Barry Gardner LB Northwestern
Doug Brzezinski G Boston College
John Welbourn G California
Damon Moore DB Ohio State
Na Brown WR North Carolina
Cecil Martin RB Wisconsin
Troy Smith WR East Carolina
Jed Weaver TE Oregon
Pernell Davis DE Alabama-Birmingham
2000
Corey Simon DT Florida State
Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi
Bobby Williams T Arkansas
Gari Scott WR Michigan State
Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota
John Frank DE Utah
John Romero C California
2001
Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA
Quinton Caver LB Arkansas
Derrick Burgess DE Mississippi
Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska
Tony Stewart TE Penn State
A.J. Feeley QB Oregon
HECKERT ERA (2002 - ?)
2002
Lito Sheppard DB Florida
Michael Lewis DB Colorado
Sheldon Brown DB South Carolina
Brian Westbrook RB Villanova
Scott Peters C Arizona State
Freddie Milons WR Alabama
Tyreo Harrison LB Notre Dame
Raheem Brock DE Temple
2003
Jerome McDougle DE Miami (FL)
L.J. Smith TE Rutgers
Billy McMullen WR Virginia
Jamaal Green DE Miami (FL)
Jeremy Bridges G Southern Mississippi
Norman Lejeune DB Louisiana State
2004
Shawn Andrews T Arkansas
Matt Ware DB UCLA
J.R. Reed DB South Florida
Trey Darilek G Texas-El Paso
Thomas Tapeh RB Minnesota
Andy Hall QB Delaware
Dexter Wynn DB Colorado State
Adrien Clarke G Ohio State
Bruce Perry RB Maryland
Dominic Furio C Nevada-Las Vegas
2005
Mike Patterson DT USC
Reggie Brown WR Georgia
Matt McCoy LB San Diego State
Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech
Sean Considine DB Iowa
Todd Herremans T Saginaw Valley State
Trent Cole LB Cincinnati
Scott Young G Brigham Young
Calvin Armstrong T Washington State
Keyonta Marshall DT Grand Valley State
David Bergeron LB Stanford
Heckert has more players from his first draft still on the Eagles roster than Modrak does from his entire tenure.
I wouldn't mind if they lost Childress. We've kinda expected that for awhile now as he's been rumored for jobs for 2-3 years now.
If Childress leaves...Morningwood becomes the OC.
I do not want to lost Heckert though. And in order to lose him the Vikes (or any other team) would have to give him "final say" over the team. Wilf has said that he is going to be involved in day-to-day ops ala Jerrah and Napoleon.
If Heckert does leave, Jason Licht could be promoted.
Quote from: FFatPatt on October 20, 2005, 12:35:58 PM
Like I said before, if Heckert gets paid like a GM, has all-but final say, gets the league recognition as the true personnel chief of the Eagles, but gets very little of the blame if something goes wrong... a team would be hard-pressed to come up with a deal that would make him give it all up.
On the other hand, he also gets little of the glory when things go right, as he would if he was a GM/head of football operations.
If Heckert does leave, Jason Licht could be promoted
id head down to naptown and make a run at wolfie...its a long shot but him and reid luv them some each other...
I'd like to see him here.
But I'd be shocked to see them go outside the organization.
Well, in new news regarding this, apparently Wilf has said that the next hire they make will be a talent evaluator as personnel director, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN FOOTBALL MATTERS. That was according to PFT.com, and I went to the article from a Minny paper that it was linked to. Sure enough, that's what he said, and if he stands by that, Heckert will be staying, unless he takes a bigger gig somewhere else.