well, this should be an interesting offseason, as usual. there could be drastic changes...possibly a new gm & maybe even a new coach.
also the following are free agents:
hideki matsui - i hope they re-sign him.
bernie williams - a great yankee but he has nothing left.
tom gordon - their only semi-reliable middle reliever so i'd like to see him back.
kevin brown - thank god he's gone!
the starting rotation is a huge question mark but i'd say that johnson, mussina, chacon, & wang are a solid 4....of course unit & moose are old so health is a huge question mark. i'd keep small as either the 5th starter/spot starter & for long relief....wright & pavano are question marks.
they also need to address CF (since they never addressed it last offseason) & 1B so giambi can DH full time. a sheffield trade wouldn't shock me either.
What GMs are being mentioned as possible replacements for Cashman? While having the luxury of spending a ton of money, I'm not sure who would want to deal with Steinbrenner 24/7, especially after the way he treated Cashman...
Quotetom gordon - their only semi-reliable middle reliever so i'd like to see him back.
Gimme a break. He's too old. He's done.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 12, 2005, 10:13:59 AM
What GMs are being mentioned as possible replacements for Cashman? While having the luxury of spending a ton of money, I'm not sure who would want to deal with Steinbrenner 24/7, especially after the way he treated Cashman...
i dont think i would ever stop laughing if they hired wade.
Quote from: Satoshi on October 12, 2005, 10:55:55 AM
Quotetom gordon - their only semi-reliable middle reliever so i'd like to see him back.
Gimme a break. He's too old. He's done.
well, he's not great...but if they let him go, they'll have NO middle relief at all. i'm not opposed to them letting him walk if he's adequately replaced.
Top Ten New York Yankee Excuses
10. "The Angels have developed a secret pitch that curves"
9. "Players left logy by clubhouse paella"
8. "Aren't used to rat-free outfield"
7. "Average player age is 52"
6. "Didn't know if they were playing California Angels, Anaheim Angels, or Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim"
5. "Acid reflux"
4. "How are you supposed to field a competitive team on $200 million?"
3. "Due to typo in latest memo, Steinbrenner demanded players give 10%"
2. "Giambi lost his lucky syringe"
1. "Who can concentrate on Baseball when Hockey is back?"
its so sad that some 5 year old yankee fans have never seen their team win a title. i feel bad for hunt that he has to wait so long. oh man, im crying...
i seriously would hate to like a team like the yankees...if you dont win youre choking dogs...and if you do its ho-hum cause youre supposed to win every year...whats the fun in that
id much rather be a phils fan...they are pathetic but when and IF they ever win it will be better than all the yankee titles combined
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2005, 12:51:44 PM
id much rather be a phils fan...they are pathetic but when and IF they ever win it will be better than all the yankee titles combined
Very well put. And 100% accurate.
no it won't...some of you are so full of crap, thinking that you're "better" fans because your team stinks. i've been a loyal yankees fan my entire life...just as some of you have been loyal sils fans. the fact that the yankees have won championships doesn't make me any less of a fan. and the thought that they're expected to win every year is bunk...an excuse to make you feel better. get over yourselves & get real.
whoa!!!....someone get that man a hug
i didnt say anything about how good a fan i was...just said that its no fun to like a team like the yankees...i could care less about the yankees or their fans...
It's equally fun to being a Phillies fan right now.
You should all do what I do. Don't root FOR any baseball teams. Just root AGAINST a bunch of them. Much more satisfying.
(http://www.haakonmaxwell.com/images/mhunt.jpg)
George sez: "Cashman isn't going anywhere!"
Cashman sez: "umm...." :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2005, 12:37:22 PM
Top Ten New York Yankee Excuses
2. "Giambi lost his lucky syringe"
Giambi was really awesome after he was back. That cannot be an excuse.
Quote from: BigEd76 on October 12, 2005, 11:34:24 PM
George sez: "Cashman isn't going anywhere!"
Cashman sez: "umm...." :paranoid
yup...georgie wants cash-man back but he may not want to come back...word is, he's interested in washington since he's from that area.
in other news, mel stottelmyre is resigning at pitching coach...he was going to get fired anyway. http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spyanks134467411oct13,0,5397082.story?coll=ny-yankees-print
QuoteThe top candidates to become the next Yankees pitching coach, in order of likelihood:
Don Cooper
White Sox pitching coach
Played at NY Tech and for the Yankees. Credited with turning Jose Contreras around.
Leo Mazzone
Braves pitching coach
The Yankees are planning to make a big push for the game's best pitching coach.
Ron Guidry
Former Yankees pitcher
There are questions whether he is willing to make a full-time commitment to baseball.
Joe Kerrigan
Yankees advance scout
Former Red Sox and Expo pitching coach is a Brian Cashman hire so he could follow the GM.
Dave Righetti
Giants pitching coach
The former Yankee is well thought of around the league. Would he consider a return?
Gil Patterson
Triple-A Columbus pitching coach
Well respected within the organization, his best work may be with young pitchers.
Jimmy Key
Former Yankees pitcher
Obviously Steinbrenner is fond of bringing former players back in coaching capacities.
Neil Allen
Yankees bullpen coach
The Tampa officials pushed for him last year but his candidacy has lost a lot of steam.
I'd be shocked if they got Leo Mazzone out of ATL. Him and Bobby Cox are joined at the hip.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 13, 2005, 08:33:54 AM
I'd be shocked if they got Leo Mazzone out of ATL. Him and Bobby Cox are joined at the hip.
i agree...they won't get him. i think it's just the ny media blowing smoke...there's an opening so they automatically name the best in the game as a candidate.
if george wants him george will get him
Maybe you'll get Joey The K and he'll bring Rheal Cormier with him.
Yanks get permission to talk to Mazzone (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2194428)
Wow...I didn't think that ATL would let him.
It would be good news for the Phillies though. Get him outta the East.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 18, 2005, 01:07:09 AM
Yanks get permission to talk to Mazzone (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2194428)
Wow...I didn't think that ATL would let him.
It would be good news for the Phillies though. Get him outta the East.
I'd be surprised if Mazzone would go to NY. Wouldn't make sense to make a lateral move into the nuthouse that it Team Steinbrenner.
Then again, I've been surprised before.
well, i'm not surprised the braves gave him permission....but i will be surprised if he leaves atlanta.
pleasantly surprised.
well, looks like torre will be back.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Mazzone go to NY. All they have to do is throw a boatload of cash at him.
Mazzone visits the Orioles (http://mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051019&content_id=1254476&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Don't be surprised if he ends up there. Perlozzo is a good friend of his...
I thought everyone associated with baseball wanted to go to New York :deion
Just checking in.
I think it's safe to say the Yankees will never win another WS in their existence.
bye
Mazzone calls off talks with the Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2194428)
i figured they wouldn't get mazzone...it was worth a shot though.
Expected to leave the Braves for the Orioles tomorrow (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5007138) :yay
Bowa to the Yanks? (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2199155)
QuoteYankees contact former Phillies manager BowaESPN.com news services
ESPN baseball analyst Larry Bowa was contacted Thursday by GM Brian Cashman and manager Joe Torre about the possibility of Bowa joining the Yankees staff as one of the team coaches next season.
Bowa
"I haven't made any decisions yet," Bowa told ESPN.
Bowa, who is in his first season as a Baseball Tonight analyst, previously served as the manager of the Padres (1987-88) and Phillies (2001-04). Bowa was fired by the Phillies on the final weekend of the 2004 season after leading the team to a 337-308 record. Known for a fiery personality, he was 81-127 in 1½ seasons with San Diego.
He has also served as a third base coach for the Phillies, Angels, and Mariners in his career.
New York has two coaching openings following the departures of bench coach Joe Girardi and pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre.
Bowa is scheduled to work for ESPN at the World Series in Houston starting Monday.
Bowa would be fricken crazy to take that job.
He's got ideal an gig at ESPN and he's awesome on the Baseball This AM show on XM Radio. Why in God's name would he give those up to work at the Bronx Zoo?
:P
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on October 20, 2005, 10:21:40 PM
Bowa would be fricken crazy to take that job.
He's got ideal an gig at ESPN and he's awesome on the Baseball This AM show on XM Radio. Why in God's name would he give those up to work at the Bronx Zoo?
:P
For one, if he ever wanted a coaching job again, being an assistant with the Yanks would be a good first step. Also, with their enormous annual payroll, the chance at being part of a World Series team is enticing. Aside from that, I have no idea why he'd want to coach ;D
Some guys just prefer to be in the game.
the yankees need some emotion...bowa would be a nice fit, imo.
plus, with girardi taking the marlins job & zimmer long gone, they need somebody to sit next to torre & hand him tissues while he's picking his nose.
:-D
Joe Torre is a chronic nose digger. And he's got a huge nose with easy access to the gold too.
I swear...every time they show him he's diggin.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 21, 2005, 08:33:29 AM
:-D
Joe Torre is a chronic nose digger. And he's got a huge nose with easy access to the gold too.
I swear...every time they show him he's diggin.
that he is....and he's usually elbow deep. :-D
the latest rumors have cash-man being re-signed and bowa signing on as 3rd base coach.
Good news.
I don't want Cashman. I want Hunsicker.
Tony Pena is the new 1st base coach, Ron Guidry is the new pitching coach.
We know they'll be winners with Bowa at 3rd and Kerrigan in the bullpen, though.
guidry was the man. :yay..kerrigan is there because he's an experienced pitching coach & guidry isn't.
and the bowa signing is great.
Quote from: mhunt on November 04, 2005, 10:40:38 PM
and the bowa signing is great.
Holla atcha, boyyyyyyyyy!
Quote from: mhunt on November 04, 2005, 10:40:38 PM
guidry was the man. :yay..kerrigan is there because he's an experienced pitching coach & guidry isn't.
and the bowa signing is great.
Then, why isn't Kerrigan the pitching coach and Guidry the bullpen coach?
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 05, 2005, 07:49:50 AM
Quote from: mhunt on November 04, 2005, 10:40:38 PM
guidry was the man. :yay..kerrigan is there because he's an experienced pitching coach & guidry isn't.
and the bowa signing is great.
Then, why isn't Kerrigan the pitching coach and Guidry the bullpen coach?
cuz guidry is the man. :yay
it's just like a "new" nba head coach hiring an experienced former head coach as one of his assistants...gives the newbie somebody experienced to bounce his ideas off of...happens all the time.
i'm just glad they have some coaches with some life...mazilli, bowa, even pena should help this team play with some emotion for a change.
Now, they need to find WORTHY players to throw their millions at. Ie: not Kevin Brown.
theyll probably sign matt morris, aj burnett, tom gordon, ugy urbina, billy wagner, trevor hoffman and every other decent free agent out there.
Quote from: MDS on November 05, 2005, 02:37:24 PM
theyll probably sign matt morris, aj burnett, tom gordon, ugy urbina, billy wagner, trevor hoffman and every other decent free agent out there.
...and still lose in the playoffs to some upstart team with half the payroll.
the drays
A-Rod won AL MVP
Word. I'm going to have a good time laughing at all of these Boston Yahoos...
Coming in February:
(http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/mlb14/arodriguez4/images/mlb14_arodriguez4_photo_01_dp.jpg)
The ball's kind of easy to field when it's just sitting there on a stick.
matsui is back...4 years $52 mill
Shane Victorino > Hideki Matsui
Just wait, and you will feel the wrath of Victorino! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Victorino > DiMaggio :paranoid
Apparently the Yankees are close to signing Mike Myers and Kyle Farnsworth :-\
I'd rather have Farnsworth as the Phillies closer than Gordon...
Sources: Farnsworth to sign with Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2243078)
farnsworth is still up in the air....texas wants him too.
and there's talk of a marlins/yanks trade where the yanks get juan pierre.....he's exactly what they need but i hate the french. :-\
I hear Kenny Lofton's available.
i hear hes an icehole and his defense sucks
Quote from: MDS on December 02, 2005, 08:06:36 PM
i hear hes an icehole and his defense sucks
pierre or lofton?
anyway, i don't see a lot of pierre but i know he's fast, steals bases, & is a true leadoff hitter...that's something the yankees have lacked since they had rickey henderson. :P
He was also moved to 6th in the lineup for most of the 2nd half of this past season because he was brutal. Speed is useless if you can't get on base...
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 03, 2005, 02:23:15 PM
He was also moved to 6th in the lineup for most of the 2nd half of this past season because he was brutal. Speed is useless if you can't get on base...
okay...maybe that's why they haven't traded for him. :-D
spankees lose a shteinload of money this year (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2247401)
$200 million payrolls and overestiminating our value rules
wow...who cares?
Hot Rumor on XM is Nomar to the Yanks
(Also posted in Rest of Baseball Thread)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 06, 2005, 04:44:59 PM
Hot Rumor on XM is Nomar to the Yanks
(Also posted in Rest of Baseball Thread)
How many shortstops do they need?
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 06, 2005, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 06, 2005, 04:44:59 PM
Hot Rumor on XM is Nomar to the Yanks
(Also posted in Rest of Baseball Thread)
How many shortstops do they need?
QuoteDec. 6
News: Arn Tellem, Garciaparra's agent, has contacted the Yankees about the possibility of Garciaparra playing center field, DHing, and filling in at the other infield spots, the Yankees' official site reports.
Spin: "I've heard from Arn in the past about him," GM Brian Cashman said. "I'm talking to everybody about anybody on the free agent market that may fit." Cashman has stated that he is comfortable starting the season with Bubba Crosby in center and Andy Phillips platooning with Jason Giambi between first base and DH, but Garciaparra would give the Yankees a more established presence in either of those roles
There's your answer.
nomah's agent contacted the yanks...so far the interest is one-sided since they have nowhere to put him.
possibly 2nd if they trade rob cano to the marlins for pierre
:-D where'd you hear that one?
they won't trade cano.
thats what the marlins want. obviously thats whats holding up the deal, the yankees wont part with him.
well, pierre is going to the cubs...i'm glad the yanks didn't something stupid like give up cano to get him.
hunt, what is your view on the following opinion? Brian Cashman is the worst executive in North American professional sports.
it's retarded.
you'll probably say, "how could he not win with that payroll" and you'll ignore the fact that steinbrenner has called most of the shots & spearheaded most of the bonehead moves.
Quote from: mhunt on December 07, 2005, 10:33:10 AM
it's retarded.
you'll probably say, "how could he not win with that payroll" and you'll ignore the fact that steinbrenner has called most of the shots & spearheaded most of the bonehead moves.
If George calls the shots then what, exactly, is the point of Cashman? ???
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 07, 2005, 10:33:10 AM
it's retarded.
you'll probably say, "how could he not win with that payroll" and you'll ignore the fact that steinbrenner has called most of the shots & spearheaded most of the bonehead moves.
If George calls the shots then what, exactly, is the point of Cashman? ???
run day-to-day operations....handle negotiations....try to talk steinbrenner out of his bonehead decisions (even though it rarely works). steinbrenner tends to step in & make the final call when it comes to the big money deals...there's little cashman can do about that.
So, Cashman isn't stupid as much as he is weak.
He re-signed for 3 more years, so he must enjoy being Georgie's beeotch...
why is there a yankees offseson thread again?
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 07, 2005, 10:54:02 AM
So, Cashman isn't stupid as much as he is weak.
in comparison to the owner of the team...yes, he is weak.
as for re-signing...i'm sure steinbrenner promised to stop meddling. :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
why is there a yankees offseson thread again?
Who knows? Perhaps there should be an off-season thread for the world champions? ;)
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 07, 2005, 12:19:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 07, 2005, 11:01:00 AM
why is there a yankees offseson thread again?
Who knows? Perhaps there should be an off-season thread for the world champions? ;)
if someone started a white sox offseason thread LAST year, i'd be impressed.
but they didn't.
The board has gone to shtein now that there is a Mets Offseason Thread.
Yanks offer Bernie Williams arbitration (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkC4F4Lk1bFivwGIY7ebdU4RvLYF?slug=ap-yankees-williams&prov=ap&type=lgns)
According to the article, the move is probably with the understanding that Williams will decline, and gives extra time to negotiate.
the yanks have reportedly signed lefty reliever mike meyers.
yay.
sounds like a phillies singing.
Quote from: mhunt on December 10, 2005, 01:27:36 PM
the yanks have reportedly signed lefty reliever mike meyers.
yay.
(http://www.askthebrain.com/pics/228/Mike_Myers.jpg)
Yeah, baby!
Myers is a rarity in MLB: a left-handed pitcher that throws underhanded like Tekulve...
the post is reporting that nomah to the yanks is looking more likely...he would play 1B. :-X
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 10, 2005, 07:49:27 PM
Myers is a rarity in MLB: a left-handed pitcher that throws underhanded like Tekulve...
it's official...they signed myers.
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7037/138/1600/wayne's-world-yes-officer.jpg)
"Way!"
yankees front office is garbage...trash...an absolute embarassment...just a black hole where teams can dump their overpaid 35 + year olds.....they havent won anything in 5 years...and are moving backwards with ruthless efficiency
a lineup already loaded with bats is going for johnny damon and nomar
george is playing fantasy baseball with a 230 million dollar mess
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 16, 2005, 09:02:09 AM
yankees front office is garbage...trash...an absolute embarassment...just a black hole where teams can dump their overpaid 35 + year olds.....they havent won anything in 5 years...and are moving backwards with ruthless efficiency
a lineup already loaded with bats is going for johnny damon and nomar
george is playing fantasy baseball with a 230 million dollar mess
you think 5 years is a long time? :-D
oh, and they haven't even made an offer to damon. in case you haven't noticed, they haven't gone after 1 big money free agent this offseason...but don't let facts get in the way. :-D
you think 5 years is a long time?
no...george does..as well as their fanbase and the new york media...and the national media...and derek jeter and....
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 16, 2005, 09:08:08 AM
you think 5 years is a long time?
no...george does..as well as their fanbase and the new york media...and the national media...and derek jeter and....
you got 1 right...steinbrenner. and he's an idiot.
but feel free to agree with him.
youre gonna tell me the fans in new york and the players didnt expect to win a championship at some point in the last five years...200+ mil isnt being dropped to win the wild card
here we go again. their payroll is high. wah.
btw, your entire premise is way off.
Quotethey havent won anything in 5 years...and are moving backwards with ruthless efficiency
they haven't won the world series in 5 years...they've made the world series and won the division several times, including last year...which isn't bad considering they're moving backwards with ruthless efficiency. :-D
i, and the rest of the yankees fanbase, can survive a 5 year world championship drought...don't worry about us.
but i know...their payroll is high....and that makes you :boom
So, wait... the Eagles win the division four straight years and win the NFC and Andy's doing a zesty job, yet when Joe Torre "accomplishes" roughly the same, he's a hero and the Yankees are doing great?
Whew... I wish I was a Yankees fan. Their drugs must be teh awsum!
The difference is that Torre did win one before the "drought"
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 16, 2005, 03:49:41 PM
The difference is that Torre did win one before the "drought"
more than one but yeah...that's the difference. :-D
and i'm not sure who said torre was a hero & that the yankees were doing great. :paranoid i was only pointing out the world series appearances & division titles to igy because of his laughable "moving backwards with ruthless efficiency" comment. 8)
Who's to say that Andy won't win four straight some day?
:-D
Sorry, even I can't sell that wagonload of shtein.
:-D :-D
the yankees went from winning every world series...to getting run in the playoffs every year...to now winning wild cards (at best)...to soon being old run down no farm system bums
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 16, 2005, 05:05:32 PM
the yankees went from winning every world series...to getting run in the playoffs every year...to now winning wild cards (at best)...to soon being old run down no farm system bums
IGY, the Yanks won the division last season. Granted, it was because of the tiebreaker, but they still won the division title.
and they will battle for the wild card this year....maybe
Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 16, 2005, 08:45:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 16, 2005, 05:05:32 PM
the yankees went from winning every world series...to getting run in the playoffs every year...to now winning wild cards (at best)...to soon being old run down no farm system bums
IGY, the Yanks won the division last season. Granted, it was because of the tiebreaker, but they still won the division title.
pointing out facts doesn't work...i already tried that. :-D
they're still winning division titles & making the playoffs every year...you know, moving backwards with ruthless efficiency. :sly
Merely winning divisions and making the playoffs is moving backwards when you're the Yankees.
Why are you even arguing this fact, hunt? You've told me countless times that the only thing that matters when you're a Yankee or a Yankee fan is winning the World Series, yet now, it's all about making the playoffs?
Color me confused, bro.
lemme explain again
five years ago: winning world series
since then: getting run in the playoffs
now: fighting for the wild card
very soon: looking up at toronto
lmfao...nomar picks LA over the Spanks. :-D :-D :-D
I'm not sure why that would make you 'laugh your farging ass off,' but OK.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 17, 2005, 10:03:46 AM
Merely winning divisions and making the playoffs is moving backwards when you're the Yankees.
Why are you even arguing this fact, hunt? You've told me countless times that the only thing that matters when you're a Yankee or a Yankee fan is winning the World Series, yet now, it's all about making the playoffs?
Color me confused, bro.
you must be confused...i've never said that in my entire life.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 17, 2005, 12:46:06 PM
lemme explain again
five years ago: winning world series
since then: getting run in the playoffs
now: fighting for the wild card
very soon: looking up at toronto
again, you're making stuff up. they won the division last season...no wildcard.
more nonsense from morons who are blinded by their yankees hatred.... :-D
Quote from: rjs246 on December 18, 2005, 10:48:01 AM
I'm not sure why that would make you 'laugh your farging ass off,' but OK.
because it's so funny...that's why.
yankees fans everywhere were clammoring for them to bring in nomar...where've you been, dude? :paranoid
Quote from: mhunt on December 18, 2005, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 17, 2005, 10:03:46 AM
Merely winning divisions and making the playoffs is moving backwards when you're the Yankees.
Why are you even arguing this fact, hunt? You've told me countless times that the only thing that matters when you're a Yankee or a Yankee fan is winning the World Series, yet now, it's all about making the playoffs?
Color me confused, bro.
you must be confused...i've never said that in my entire life.
You haven't told me that winning it all is the only thing that counts for the Yankees and their fans?
I could have sworn that you said that many times on the EMB.
:sly
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 18, 2005, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 18, 2005, 11:27:49 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 17, 2005, 10:03:46 AM
Merely winning divisions and making the playoffs is moving backwards when you're the Yankees.
Why are you even arguing this fact, hunt? You've told me countless times that the only thing that matters when you're a Yankee or a Yankee fan is winning the World Series, yet now, it's all about making the playoffs?
Color me confused, bro.
you must be confused...i've never said that in my entire life.
You haven't told me that winning it all is the only thing that counts for the Yankees and their fans?
I could have sworn that you said that many times on the EMB.
:sly
nope...i've said the exact opposite.
that's a misconception held by most, if not all, yankees haters....sure, winning it all is great, but it's not an all or nothing situation. not all yankees fans think the same as that whacko steinbrenner.
again, you're making stuff up. they won the division last season...no wildcard
now does not equal last season
and as far as winning it all...it means nothing to yankee fans when they know they cant do it...but after they win the world series thats what its all about...they have a rock solid fanatical fan base within the rotten apple but outside of that their 'fans' are an awful punchline to a bad joke
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2005, 11:44:00 AM
again, you're making stuff up. they won the division last season...no wildcard
now does not equal last season
last season is all we can go by...it's the offseason. :paranoid
if "now" means what they'll do this season, then you are making stuff up because you don't know jack.
Kill yourselves.
I'm not the one talking about baseball during football/hockey season. I am satisfied that my life rules.
were not talking baseball were talking yanks...they are bigger than any one sport
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 18, 2005, 11:56:10 AM
were not talking baseball were talking yanks...they are bigger than any one sport
Dude. I just yacked in my floor. Come clean that up.
you made your mess now you lay in it
52 mil for Johnny Damon. Buying a playoff collapse. Nice.
Cut yer hair! (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2266983)
The Yanks also signed Octavio Dotel...
So, who actually believed the Yankees would be fine with Bubba Crosby in center?
I actually was hoping that Gillick would take a shot on Dotel kind of like the Yanks took a shot on Lieber when he was hurt. Sign him, let him rehab and then if it pans out he's agood setup guy.
As for Damon...I cannot wait to see the reception he gets in Fenway. I was listening to some of the national sports talk at work last night and the Sox fans were pissed off and crying like bitches.
bitch ass bostonions...get their world series and still are sobbing like little girls...god that city makes me sick
i cant wait to see damon try and cover ground in cf at yankee stadium...its going to be so sad
I want to know what the hell they're going to do with Bernie now? They offered him arbitration and he's obviously going to make a nice bundle of cash. But to do what? DH? Then they have to play that hack of a 1B Giambi in the field. Put Bernie at 1B?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 21, 2005, 09:00:02 AM
I want to know what the hell they're going to do with Bernie now? They offered him arbitration and he's obviously going to make a nice bundle of cash. But to do what? DH? Then they have to play that hack of a 1B Giambi in the field. Put Bernie at 1B?
bernie will dh...he was horrid in CF the past couple years. he's strictly a part-time bat now.
as for damon, i despise him. but, the yanks needed a CF real bad...and a leadoff hitter too. damon > bubba crosby...that's what it all comes down to...and it lets jeter move to his natural #2 position in the order, a-rod to #3, etc....damon might score 150 runs this season.
plus the move absolutely destroys boston's lineup. :-D ...and seeing all the yankee haters get all bent out of shape is fun too. ;D
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2005, 08:58:12 AM
i cant wait to see damon try and cover ground in cf at yankee stadium...its going to be so sad
cf in boston is tougher to play than cf in new york.....but i'm sure you already know that. :-D
if you don't think damon is an upgrade at cf (both defensively and offensively) over bubba crosby/bernie williams, then you're blind...or dumb...or both. :deion
cf in boston is tougher to play than cf in new york.....but i'm sure you already know that
youre kidding right...fenway has one deep nook in it...the stadium centerfield is cavernous at all points going like 385 to 400 in even the alleys
hes an absolute upgrade offensively but more runs is not what the yankees need...but a lot of people feel that he shouldnt even be playing centerfield anymore...which isnt any different from bernie...he is going to be a travesty out in death valley next year
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2005, 09:58:33 AM
cf in boston is tougher to play than cf in new york.....but i'm sure you already know that
youre kidding right...fenway has one deep nook in it...the stadium centerfield is cavernous at all points going like 385 to 400 in even the alleys
you're wrong a lot.
QuoteFenway Park measures 310 feet (94.5 meters) down the left field line: 379 feet (115.5 meters) in left center field; 390 feet (118.9 meters) in center field; 420 feet (128 meters) in deep center field; 380 feet (115.8 meters) in deep right field; and 302 feet (92 meters) down the right field line.
Quote
Yankee Stadium Dimensions: 318 to left, 377 to left-center, 408 to center, 372 to right-center, 314 to right
:-D (http://www.redsoxconnection.com/dimensions.gif)
and you always ask why yankee fans get bashed...because you have bandwagoners not even knowing about their own stadium...
its well known that yankee stadium power alleys to centerfield is the most cavernous in all of baseball...for you to copmpare it to the bandbox that is fenway is an abomination
yankee stadium left center power alley is like 400...or about the same as most centerfields...right center is a little less around 385ish
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2005, 10:36:48 AM
and you always ask why yankee fans get bashed...because you have bandwagoners not even knowing about their own stadium...
its well known that yankee stadium power alleys to centerfield is the most cavernous in all of baseball...for you to copmpare it to the bandbox that is fenway is an abomination
yankee stadium left center power alley is like 400...or about the same as most centerfields...right center is a little less around 385ish
look up the dimensions, moron. you are wrong.
cf in fenway jets out from 390 to 420...the power alley distances in fenway & yankee stadium are almost the same.
i just posted the dimensions but keep on ignoring them since they disprove your point. :-D
idiot.
post a pic of yankee stadium where the left field power alley isnt around 400
left center 399 vs 379
center 408 vs 390 (fenway nook is 420)
right center 385 vs 380
again its amazing how youve never known that yankee stadium is monsterous in the alleys and center and mad short down the lines that what its known for...unless apparently youre a yankee 'fan' then you think fenway is bigger...youre a disgrace to real new yorker yank fans
i mean have you really never heard of left center there being referred to as death valley
When is Steinbrenner going to realize that pitching wins? The last thing the Yankees need is more runs added to the lineup. Sure, it can't hurt but the point is this - no one is afraid of Unit anymore, Mussina is old, Pavano doesn't want to be there, Wang has shoulder problems, and Small will not be 10-0 again. All this adds up to the same great site that we have been accustom to seeing the past 4 years...
(http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/Yankees_lose_2004_small.jpg)
Jose Contreras for Esteban Loaiza. Once again, thank you George. :-D
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2005, 10:50:20 AM
post a pic of yankee stadium where the left field power alley isnt around 400
left center 377 vs 379
center 408 vs 390-420 (fenway nook is 420)
right center 372 vs 380
i fixed your make believe measurements & put in the actual dimensions....btw, your "nook" counts too.
so, besides your made up numbers, the "death valley" nickname is your only backup? :-D
dude, you're wrong...still.
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 10:54:10 AM
When is Steinbrenner going to realize that pitching wins? The last thing the Yankees need is more runs added to the lineup. Sure, it can't hurt but the point is this - no one is afraid of Unit anymore, Mussina is old, Pavano doesn't want to be there, Wang has shoulder problems, and Small will not be 10-0 again.
cf was a definite need and there aren't any decent starting pitchers available. if one becomes available, i'm sure they'll look at signing him. signing damon doesn't prevent them from making any other moves...they're not the sils.
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 10:54:10 AM
The last thing the Yankees need is more runs added to the lineup.
Baseball sucks but that still doesn't make any sense at all.
lemme break it down for you...a 420 nook that gets five balls a year hit into it is not the same as a 400 foot power alley or even a true 408 center field
and please post anything other than you editing what i wrote that shows those are the yankee stadium dimensions
once again youre a yankee fan that has never heard that yankee stadium centerfield is the most expansive in baseball...how is that possible...and to boot youre saying fenway is larger because it has a tiny section of center field that is deep...i guess minute maid park is bigger than the stradium as well??
this is what im telling you
left center 399
center 408
right center 385
thats yankee stadium until you prove otherwise...your garbage may fly with the geeks you hang with on the WU but dont bring that ish round these parts
youre a clown and just another bogus bandwagoneer yank fan
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:01:43 AM
there aren't any decent starting pitchers available.
Javier Vazquez, oh wait you got rid of him already. Jose Contreras, oh wait, him too, Orlando Hernandez... hmmm...
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 10:54:10 AM
When is Steinbrenner going to realize that pitching wins? The last thing the Yankees need is more runs added to the lineup. Sure, it can't hurt but the point is this - no one is afraid of Unit anymore, Mussina is old, Pavano doesn't want to be there, Wang has shoulder problems, and Small will not be 10-0 again.
cf was a definite need and there aren't any decent starting pitchers available. if one becomes available, i'm sure they'll look at signing him. signing damon doesn't prevent them from making any other moves...they're not the sils.
It was a huge need, and it makes the Yankees a better team. Both by giving them a leadoff hitter and a CF, as well as taking from Boston. But, shouldn't efforts be made to go out and get some pitching? This is the worst rotation the Yankees have had to start a season since 95. Murderers Row of 06 or not, with this staff, the Yankees won't be winning #27 anytime soon.
I'd rather have a quality staff like the Sox had last year (with two Yankee castoffs, mind you) with a better than average lineup, than a below average staff with the Yanks lineup. You can argue that, or just look at recent history.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2005, 11:06:37 AM
this is what im telling you...
blah...blah...blah...
still wrong.
you make up numbers & expect me to believe you?....ummmm, sorry dook. :-D
ignoring all your internet tough talk & predictable "bandwagon fan" insults, damon in CF is much better than bernie williams in CF...no matter what park you're talking about. THAT's the only point that matters.
moron.
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 10:54:10 AM
When is Steinbrenner going to realize that pitching wins? The last thing the Yankees need is more runs added to the lineup. Sure, it can't hurt but the point is this - no one is afraid of Unit anymore, Mussina is old, Pavano doesn't want to be there, Wang has shoulder problems, and Small will not be 10-0 again.
cf was a definite need and there aren't any decent starting pitchers available. if one becomes available, i'm sure they'll look at signing him. signing damon doesn't prevent them from making any other moves...they're not the sils.
It was a huge need, and it makes the Yankees a better team. Both by giving them a leadoff hitter and a CF, as well as taking from Boston. But, shouldn't efforts be made to go out and get some pitching? This is the worst rotation the Yankees have had to start a season since 95. Murderers Row of 06 or not, with this staff, the Yankees won't be winning #27 anytime soon.
I'd rather have a quality staff like the Sox had last year (with two Yankee castoffs, mind you) with a better than average lineup, than a below average staff with the Yanks lineup. You can argue that, or just look at recent history.
i agree that the yanks need to upgrade their starters...but boston had the 4th worst ERA in the american league last season.
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 21, 2005, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:01:43 AM
there aren't any decent starting pitchers available.
Javier Vazquez, oh wait you got rid of him already. Jose Contreras, oh wait, him too, Orlando Hernandez... hmmm...
i said decent.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:18:02 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 10:54:10 AM
When is Steinbrenner going to realize that pitching wins? The last thing the Yankees need is more runs added to the lineup. Sure, it can't hurt but the point is this - no one is afraid of Unit anymore, Mussina is old, Pavano doesn't want to be there, Wang has shoulder problems, and Small will not be 10-0 again.
cf was a definite need and there aren't any decent starting pitchers available. if one becomes available, i'm sure they'll look at signing him. signing damon doesn't prevent them from making any other moves...they're not the sils.
It was a huge need, and it makes the Yankees a better team. Both by giving them a leadoff hitter and a CF, as well as taking from Boston. But, shouldn't efforts be made to go out and get some pitching? This is the worst rotation the Yankees have had to start a season since 95. Murderers Row of 06 or not, with this staff, the Yankees won't be winning #27 anytime soon.
I'd rather have a quality staff like the Sox had last year (with two Yankee castoffs, mind you) with a better than average lineup, than a below average staff with the Yanks lineup. You can argue that, or just look at recent history.
i agree that the yanks need to upgrade their starters...but boston had the 4th worst ERA in the american league last season.
Think he might be talking about them other Sox, you know the WORLD CHAMPIONS. ???
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:18:02 AM
i agree that the yanks need to upgrade their starters...but boston had the 4th worst ERA in the american league last season.
And they got swept in the first round. The Sox I meant were the White ones though.
Boston needed to upgrade their pitching and they went out and grabbed Josh Beckett. Great move for them - maybe the Yanks should have tried to trade for him?
Listen, the Yankees clearly leapfrogged over Boston by signing Damon, but they won't win it all this year w/o some serious pitching changes.
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 21, 2005, 11:22:56 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:18:02 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 11:07:53 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 10:54:10 AM
When is Steinbrenner going to realize that pitching wins? The last thing the Yankees need is more runs added to the lineup. Sure, it can't hurt but the point is this - no one is afraid of Unit anymore, Mussina is old, Pavano doesn't want to be there, Wang has shoulder problems, and Small will not be 10-0 again.
cf was a definite need and there aren't any decent starting pitchers available. if one becomes available, i'm sure they'll look at signing him. signing damon doesn't prevent them from making any other moves...they're not the sils.
It was a huge need, and it makes the Yankees a better team. Both by giving them a leadoff hitter and a CF, as well as taking from Boston. But, shouldn't efforts be made to go out and get some pitching? This is the worst rotation the Yankees have had to start a season since 95. Murderers Row of 06 or not, with this staff, the Yankees won't be winning #27 anytime soon.
I'd rather have a quality staff like the Sox had last year (with two Yankee castoffs, mind you) with a better than average lineup, than a below average staff with the Yanks lineup. You can argue that, or just look at recent history.
i agree that the yanks need to upgrade their starters...but boston had the 4th worst ERA in the american league last season.
Think he might be talking about them other Sox, you know the WORLD CHAMPIONS. ???
okay, we get it....the eagles fan from the UK is also a white sox fan, even though he never, ever mentioned them until last season.
congrats.
Being called a bandwagoner by a Yanks fan. Awesome. :yay
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:18:02 AM
i agree that the yanks need to upgrade their starters...but boston had the 4th worst ERA in the american league last season.
And they got swept in the first round. The Sox I meant were the White ones though.
Boston needed to upgrade their pitching and they went out and grabbed Josh Beckett. Great move for them - maybe the Yanks should have tried to trade for him?
Listen, the Yankees clearly leapfrogged over Boston by signing Damon, but they won't win it all this year w/o some serious pitching changes.
beckett is a career .500 pitcher & the bosox gave up their top prospects for him...no thanks.
and it's only december....plenty of time to make some changes to the starting rotations...& they've already addressed the pen. :yay
Quote from: henchmanUK on December 21, 2005, 11:26:43 AM
Being called a bandwagoner by a Yanks fan. Awesome. :yay
i don't see a denial in there. :-D
and i can guarantee that i've been a yankees fan longer than you' ve been a white sox fan....i bet you've never even heard of ron kittle. ;D
actually, he talked about them back in 2003.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=8906.msg117829#msg117829
Yea, but he's 26 and providing he stays healthy, he'll be a workhorse for years to come.
Good job revamping the pen though.
The Yanks are still the second best team in NY though. ;D
you never heard of death valley and think fenway is a bigger outfield than yankee stadium so id say yous are even
Indications are that Boras then let the Red Sox know the kind of money it would take to keep Damon, and they told him they weren't willing to go anywhere near $50 million.
Damon hit .316 for the Sox last season, and scored 117 runs from the leadoff spot. But he stole only 18 bases, his lowest total since 1997, and was bothered by a shoulder injury. The Sox feels he has lost some of his range in center field, and they're worried that with his notoriously weak arm, he wouldn't be able to play center field, especially in Yankee Stadium, effectively much longer.
"They just didn't think he was worth that kind of money," the Sox insider said.
Are people actually arguing that the Yankees won't be good enough to win it all?
If the starting rotation proves to be weak, Steinbrenner will go out and get help before the deadline. At worst, the Yankees are clearly the best team in their division and will make a run. At WORST.
I dislike the Yankees, but don't fool yourselves into thinking they'll suck this year.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2005, 11:32:14 AM
you never heard of death valley and think fenway is a bigger outfield than yankee stadium so id say yous are even
Indications are that Boras then let the Red Sox know the kind of money it would take to keep Damon, and they told him they weren't willing to go anywhere near $50 million.
Damon hit .316 for the Sox last season, and scored 117 runs from the leadoff spot. But he stole only 18 bases, his lowest total since 1997, and was bothered by a shoulder injury. The Sox feels he has lost some of his range in center field, and they're worried that with his notoriously weak arm, he wouldn't be able to play center field, especially in Yankee Stadium, effectively much longer.
"They just didn't think he was worth that kind of money," the Sox insider said.
the
sox insider thinks the red sox were right for letting damon go? i'm shocked! :o
next thing you know, spadaro will start agreeing with the eagles front office. :-D
Quote from: MURP on December 21, 2005, 11:30:44 AM
actually, he talked about them back in 2003.
http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=8906.msg117829#msg117829
That thread made me laugh. PG was joking with Card Trader. :-D
I also remember Henchman talking about the ChiSox long before they became WS contenders so his fandom is legit imo.
okay, i've never seen him post white sox before this year but i'll take you people's word for it.
but he sure didn't post about them nearly as much as he does now. :-D
whatever.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/ballpark/groundrules.jsp
(http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/nyy/images/yankees_wireframe.gif)
Fred, if you're referencing me on the "Yankees still suck" comment, you need to check my posts. I said numerous times that Damon makes the Yankees better and puts them above the Sox in the East. But, to overlook the trouble they have at starting pitching is just something you can't do. Look at the past few WS winners - even the Yankees from 96 on..they all had quality pitching. This Yankee team does not, and until a team proves that you can win a WS with a mediocre staff, I won't buy into it.
Quote from: MURP on December 21, 2005, 11:37:12 AM
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/nyy/ballpark/groundrules.jsp
even if left center really is 399, that 390-420 area in fenway is brutal. http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/bos/ballpark/facts.jsp
damon is an upgrade at cf for the yanks...both offensively & defensively.
is anyone here arguing that point?
Who's in the Mets starting rotation again besides Pedro?
Do you really think the Mets have a much better pitching staff than the Yankees? I'd say not.
What I'm saying is that speaking of pitchers that don't scare anyone anymore and are past their best years....
The Mets have 2 of those guys. Then, they have a guy that has flopped pretty bad in Benson. They also have no setup man whatsoever. I just don't think a Mets fan should be knocking the Yankees' pitching. Both teams have some good players and also some holes.
Who's arguing the Mets here? But you asked so I'll answer...
Pedro>Johnson
Glavine<Mussina
Benson=Pavano
Trachsel=Chacon
Zambrano/Seo<Small
I like the Mets staff. I don't love it, but I think it's decent. But again, why are the Mets being brought up here?
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 21, 2005, 11:43:35 AM
I just don't think a Mets fan should be knocking the Yankees' pitching.
So going on this logic, only White Sox fans should be allowed to critique other teams? And how do we have pages and pages of criticisms of other teams moves knowing that most of the posters here are Phillies fans?
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 11:43:39 AM
But again, why are the Mets being brought up here?
agreed...get lost.
and the same goes for the white sox.
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 21, 2005, 11:45:48 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 21, 2005, 11:43:35 AM
I just don't think a Mets fan should be knocking the Yankees' pitching.
So going on this logic, only White Sox fans should be allowed to critique other teams? And how do we have pages and pages of criticisms of other teams moves knowing that most of the posters here are Phillies fans?
All I'm saying is that you're sitting there crying out to everyone who will listen about how awesome the Mets are going to be, but you say the Yankees aren't going to be as good because of their pitching.
That makes no sense, because the Yankees pitching is along the same lines as the Mets.
This is the gayest argument ever. But it's making me laugh so please continue.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 21, 2005, 11:53:48 AM
This is the gayest argument ever.
I contend that you and chuggie fighting over the last wine cooler at the KC tailgate was more gayer.
I said the Mets should win the NL East. Can you argue that?
Re-read my posts brother. I've stated on mulitple occasions that signing Damon makes the Yankees a better team and the favorite in the AL East. But, I don't think they have the staff to win a WS, and in the Bronx, that's what matters.
ESPN pointed out that everyone in the Yankees lineup except for Cano is making at least $10M this year. Insane...
ESPN pointed out that everyone in the Yankees lineup except for Cano is making at least $10M this year
thats why they wont win ever again...you cant buy championships in baseball...playoff berths sure can get expensive though
Cano should hold out.
:yay
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:36:43 AM
okay, i've never seen him post white sox before this year but i'll take you people's word for it.
you cant follow dated links?
Quote from: Wingspan on December 21, 2005, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:36:43 AM
okay, i've never seen him post white sox before this year but i'll take you people's word for it.
you cant follow dated links?
i said i've never seen him post white sox before this year & i haven't...is that too difficult for you to understand, nimrod?
Wow. Just, wow. I thought natural selection would have taken care of all of you by now.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on December 21, 2005, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:36:43 AM
okay, i've never seen him post white sox before this year but i'll take you people's word for it.
you cant follow dated links?
i said i've never seen him post white sox before this year & i haven't...is that too difficult for you to understand, nimrod?
yet... in this link
RIGHT HERE (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=8906.msg117829#msg117829)....you can see where he posted before this year (2005)...once you click
RIGHT HERE (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=8906.msg117829#msg117829)...you can knock that off you "to do" list of things you havent seen...all you need to do is click
RIGHT HERE (http://www.concretefield.com/forum/index.php?topic=8906.msg117829#msg117829), and you dont have to take peoples word for it
RJS, just stfu.
If you're not interested in talking about baseball, do us a favor and just post pictures of Alba's fruity pebbles instead.
Thanks.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 21, 2005, 01:05:27 PM
RJS, just stfu.
If you're not interested in talking about baseball, do us a favor and just post pictures of Alba's fruity pebbles instead.
Thanks.
Aw, don't get your panties in a bunch, old man. I know that its hard to care so much about a team in a zesty boring sport that isn't in your team's division, or league, and never actually plays your team ever. And I know it must be hard for you to accept it when people come around and point out how idiotic it is to argue about a team that has never and will never have any bearing on your team. But seriously, try to hold it together.
Quote from: Wingspan on December 21, 2005, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on December 21, 2005, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 11:36:43 AM
okay, i've never seen him post white sox before this year but i'll take you people's word for it.
you cant follow dated links?
i said i've never seen him post white sox before this year & i haven't...is that too difficult for you to understand, nimrod?
yet... in this link...unnecessary retardation
no kidding, jagoff....i had never seen one before last season until now.
try to keep up, nitz.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 21, 2005, 01:20:05 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 21, 2005, 01:05:27 PM
RJS, just stfu.
If you're not interested in talking about baseball, do us a favor and just post pictures of Alba's fruity pebbles instead.
Thanks.
Aw, don't get your panties in a bunch, old man. I know that its hard to care so much about a team in a zesty boring sport that isn't in your team's division, or league, and never actually plays your team ever. And I know it must be hard for you to accept it when people come around and point out how idiotic it is to argue about a team that has never and will never have any bearing on your team. But seriously, try to hold it together.
i know that it's hard to not click on a topic about a team you don't care about who plays a sport you hate...and it's even harder to not keep clicking on it and not keep replying.
I keep myself entertained by observing and commenting on the idiocy of others.
see what i mean?
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 01:49:29 PM
see what i mean?
Yes, I do. And I gave my explaination. This isn't rocket science.
QuoteWednesday, December 21, 2005
Damon still an idiot
By Jim Caple
Page 2
Idiot.
What Would Jesus Do if Scott Boras were his agent? I don't know, but Johnny Damon just made the mistake of his career by signing a four-year, $52 million deal with the Yankees.
Players never learn. They can't help it, I guess. They become free agents and receive all those offers and see all those dollar signs, and then Boras whispers into their ears about how they'll go play in some magical land with talking animals, giant lollipops and marshmallow clouds. Naturally, they lose all their senses and sign for the most money instead of with the team that is best for them.
This is not about Damon's moving from the Red Sox to their hated rival. Good gosh, no. This isn't 1957 anymore, when Jackie Robinson decided to retire rather than accept a trade from the Dodgers to the Giants. The only good scene in "Fever Pitch" is when Jimmy Fallon's character sees Jason Varitek, Trot Nixon and Damon laughing in a restaurant after a bitter defeat and suddenly realizes that the fans care far more about losing than the players do. And I seem to recall Roger Clemens orchestrated a move to New York, and it didn't hurt his career any.
Besides, it's not like Damon has been with the Red Sox that long, anyway. He played for Oakland before Boston and played for the Royals before Oakland. He has almost twice as many career at-bats with other teams than he does with Boston.
No, the problem is not that Damon left the Red Sox. The problem is he signed with a team that's all wrong for him.
The problem is the dress code.
Forget about his batting leadoff ahead of Jeter, A-Rod, Giambi, Sheffield and Matsui (though I am a little worried about the No. 8 spot in New York's lineup). Forget about all those runs he should score. The thing that should worry Yankees fans (other than his arm) is that Damon is going to play for someone who has this thing about hair. On his first day as owner, George Steinbrenner looked at his new team lined up for the national anthem and circled the photo of every Yankee he thought needed a haircut. He ordered Oscar Gamble to get a haircut. Even though he was serving a "lifetime ban" at the time, there is little doubt he was behind ordering Don Mattingly to get a haircut.
(Is there any question why this man donated money to Richard Nixon's slush fund?)
I've long maintained that Giambi's biggest mistake was not his decision to take steroids, it was signing with the Yankees. Steroids didn't hurt Giambi's career, they helped it. It was signing with the Yankees that ruined him. He went from being a wild, long-haired, free spirit in Oakland to playing for the most conservative team in sports. He cut his hair, shaved his face and covered up his tattoos -- and he's never been the same player. Without his true personality, he's a lesser player. He's been domesticated. Putting him in the Yankees clubhouse was like capturing a lion and putting him in a zoo.
(Speaking of taking proud animals from their natural environment -- I saw "King Kong" last week and loved a lot of it, especially the early scenes depicting Depression-era New York. But three hours? Good Lord, has Peter Jackson never heard of an editor? Enough already with the dinosaur scenes. We saw those a decade ago in "Jurassic Park," and frankly, the special effects were more believable then. This would have been a great movie if it were 45 minutes shorter. If the theatrical version tops three hours, I shudder to think about the special director's-cut DVD.)
Sure, Damon was clean-cut before he joined the Red Sox. But this isn't just about the hair. It's about personality and spirit and being yourself instead of being forced into corporate pinstripes that don't suit you. Some players are meant for New York (Jeter) and some players aren't (Giambi). Damon is in a bad fit and his career will suffer (although maybe not as much as Bubba Crosby's).
Yes, the money is good. But is it that much better than what the Red Sox offered? Was it worth all the grief it will bring? The worst thing A-Rod ever did was sign that $252 million contract with Texas. He could have signed a shorter deal with a contender that paid nearly as much per season. Instead, he signed with a last-place team that put a label on him he'll never shake.
By signing with New York, Damon destroyed his legacy in Boston. Despite his role in winning the long-coveted World Series, he instantly becomes dead to Red Sox fans for going over to the dark side. He's also going to hear boos in New York. His signing doesn't begin to help the Yankees' considerable pitching needs. Unless the Yankees solve those needs, they will struggle and Damon will become their scapegoat.
Damon will regret this. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but as soon as he gets his tires slashed in Boston.
Jim Caple is a senior writer at ESPN.com. His first book, "The Devil Wears Pinstripes," is on sale at bookstores nationwide. It also can be ordered through his Web site, Jimcaple.com.
QuoteJim Caple is a senior writer at ESPN.com. His first book, "The Devil Wears Pinstripes," is on sale at bookstores nationwide. It also can be ordered through his Web site, Jimcaple.com.
yeah, he's definitely an objective writer on this subject. :-D
yay media! :yay
Quote from: rjs246 on December 21, 2005, 01:51:28 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 01:49:29 PM
see what i mean?
Yes, I do. And I gave my explaination. This isn't rocket science.
sorry i took so long to reply....i was checking out a boy band topic on another board.
i hate boy bands with a passion....i was just making fun of everybody....i replied 40 times so far.
i friggin rule.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 01:56:04 PM
QuoteJim Caple is a senior writer at ESPN.com. His first book, "The Devil Wears Pinstripes," is on sale at bookstores nationwide. It also can be ordered through his Web site, Jimcaple.com.
yeah, he's definitely an objective writer on this subject. :-D
yay media! :yay
Was posted for humor. Stop being a bitch, NB.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 01:57:25 PM
sorry i took so long to reply....i was checking out a boy band topic on another board.
i hate boy bands with a passion....i was just making fun of everybody....i replied 40 times so far.
i friggin rule.
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As long as any of those replies were the slightest bit humorous, your time was well spent.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 21, 2005, 01:59:25 PM
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 01:56:04 PM
QuoteJim Caple is a senior writer at ESPN.com. His first book, "The Devil Wears Pinstripes," is on sale at bookstores nationwide. It also can be ordered through his Web site, Jimcaple.com.
yeah, he's definitely an objective writer on this subject. :-D
yay media! :yay
Was posted for humor. Stop being a bitch, NB.
so was mine, mrs. never-gets-a-joke.....ever.
so cram it.
You have officially taken over the whiny little bitch title from NB.
Congrats!
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 21, 2005, 02:03:18 PM
You have officially taken over the whiny little bitch title from NB.
Congrats!
eat shtein...nobody cares, queenie.
ps- go farg yourself.
:-*
bitch.
catfight.
Takes 2 bitches to make a catfight....so you're right on there.
At least I can admit I'm a bitch. ;D
This burrito I'm eating was so messy, I had to eat the rest of it with a fork.
(http://usesoap.com/images/news/bosox_arod_swat.jpg)
that is so gross, I just almost puked. :-[
(http://www.yanks-suck.com/images/ysgirl.jpg)
Almost as good as the Alba pic :yay
i see queenie e-mailed all her pals for backup. :-D
chump.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 02:17:13 PM
i see queenie e-mailed all her pals for backup. :-D
chump.
Doubtful, she was doing well on her own. Not her fault you can't take mild criticism.
Quote from: mhunt on December 21, 2005, 02:17:13 PM
i see queenie e-mailed all her pals for backup. :-D
chump.
Emailed? No, honey, your bitchiness is evident to all that read freely here. :-D
Johnny Damon looked stupid with the overgrown hair/beard. I'm glad he'll have to trim up.
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2005/1221/photo/smh_damon_65.jpg)
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 21, 2005, 12:00:16 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 21, 2005, 11:53:48 AM
This is the gayest argument ever.
I contend that you and chuggie fighting over the last wine cooler at the KC tailgate was more gayer.
It was no fight. When Chuggie gets a 4 pack of B & J in him, he gets crazy retard strength. That Mexican fruit topping is all types of out of control when he gets hopped up on some strawberry passion fruit. And if there's Zima anywhere to be found..........just stay the farg out of his way.
He also uses his ass as a bottle opener.
Quote from: FFatPatt on December 21, 2005, 02:38:02 PM
Johnny Damon looked stupid with the overgrown hair/beard. I'm glad he'll have to trim up.
(http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2005/1221/photo/smh_damon_65.jpg)
true. that policy goes a little overboard though...everybody enjoys a good mustache.
"Who wants a moustache ride?"
In totally unrelated news of the Yankees' extravagant spending habits:
Yankees hit with $34 million luxury tax, Red Sox to pay $4 million (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-luxurytax&prov=ap&type=lgns)
QuoteThe Yankees were hit with a $34 million luxury tax and the Red Sox were told they owe $4 million to the commissioner's office.
Baseball's biggest rivals, both eliminated in the first round of the postseason, were the only teams to exceed the payroll threshold established in baseball's labor contract, according to figures sent to teams by the commissioner's office.
And with all of that, the Yankees still can't seem to find pitching or make a profit.
hey! their team salary is expected to be $25 mill lower than last year. 8)
Quote from: mhunt on December 22, 2005, 08:42:35 AM
hey! their team salary is expected to be $25 mill lower than last year. 8)
How is that possible?
Quote from: Die-Hard on December 22, 2005, 09:14:47 AM
Quote from: mhunt on December 22, 2005, 08:42:35 AM
hey! their team salary is expected to be $25 mill lower than last year. 8)
How is that possible?
no more kevin brown.
brown made 15 damon will make 13...where does the other 23 mil come off the roster
you can look it up...i know brown is a good chunk of it but i don't care enough to look up the rest.
all i know is that i heard on espn radio this morning that their payroll will be $25 mill less than last season.
is there anything you actually do know about that yankees except that youre supposed to like them cause they won a lot of world series
The 05' payroll was $206M. The following blub is from an article on Yankees.com...
"With the signings of Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon and a number of relievers, the Yankees payroll is expected to remain in the $200 million range."
thats what i figured...brown and damon is a wash
matsui and the other small signings will be cancelled out by the money they lose off bernies contract and the couple other players they lose
no way they could sign damon for what they did and knock 25 mil off the payroll
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/22/sports/b...ll/22chass.html
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So the Yankees have reason to occasionally watch their dollars and cents. They expect their 2006 payroll to drop to about $180 million from this year's $203 million.
eat it, vanilla ice.
i never said what it was or wasnt gonna be...i just didnt understand how they could sign damon and drop that much...thus i was asking how it would drop so far...of course you had no clue as you seem to have no clue about anything yankees related...
die hard posted it would be about the same and that sounded right to me...what i missed was bernies salary last year was i think like 15 mil...and now its 1.5...so they lose brown and bernie and only gain damon as far as monster salaries...thats where the loss comes in
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 23, 2005, 09:13:24 AM
of course you had no clue as you seem to have no clue about anything yankees related...
keep on dancin', vanilla.
i was right about left center being less than 400 feet and about the yanks wanting to lower their payroll by $25 mill...and you were wrong about both.
word to yo mutha. :-D
i was right about left center being less than 400 feet
lol...its 399...you sure were all over that one...look at you trying to validate your fandom by a foot...and you wonder why every always calls you out on the yanks....youre an internet clown
tell me again how they call it "death valley" so it has to be over 400 feet. :-D
watching know-nothing blowhards like you get proven wrong again & again amuses me.
later, rob. let me know when you want to "call me out" on another yankees "fact" you're wrong about. :-D
multiple :-D = you win
youre the yankee fan im not
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051223/capt.nyjj11312232021.yankees_damon_baseball_nyjj113.jpg)
(http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20051223/i/r2864162730.jpg)
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051223/capt.nyff10912231840.yankees_damon_baseball_nyff109.jpg)
Goddammit, his wife is farging hott.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 23, 2005, 07:02:34 PM
Goddammit, his wife is farging hott.
Very high maintance...like she only gets excited seeing HIM take it up the poop shoot :-D :-D
Damon's dad compares Johnny to Babe Ruth. (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5192104?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49)
Quote"Mark it down: It's going to be another Babe Ruth," Jimmy Damon reportedly said. "They sent Johnny off just like they sent off Babe Ruth. It's going to be another big, big mistake. They made the biggest mistake of their lives."
:-D Damon was a good signing overall, as it addresses one of the Yanks' needs, but that is just... :-D
babe damon. :-D
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20051223/capt.ny11212230324.baseball_yankees_damon__ny112.jpg)
Johnny's dad should be mercy-killed.
I don't think his wife is all that hot in the facial area. I'm sure she's all pornerific and whatnot, but her face could use a kick or three.
Quote from: rjs246 on December 26, 2005, 04:03:48 PM
I don't think his wife is all that hot in the facial area. I'm sure she's all pornerific and whatnot, but her face could use a kick or three.
Queer.
Having taste in women is so gay.
Matsui won't play in the World Baseball Classic (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051227&content_id=1287424&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
Quote from: BigEd76 on December 27, 2005, 08:22:57 PM
Matsui won't play in the World Baseball Classic (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051227&content_id=1287424&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)
awesome!
i don't want any yankees getting injured in that stupid tournament.
Yes you do. Stop telling lies.
Reliever Octavio Dotel signs with Yankees (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-yankees-dotel&prov=ap&type=lgns)
no time to search for links but the yanks signed miguel cairo for infield depth...also signed ramiro mendoza & al leiter to minor league deals.
no time for a link? got a busy little sunday afternoon do ya? maybe home depot, bed bath and beyond? i don't know if you'll have time.
Quote from: mhunt on January 08, 2006, 08:26:44 AM
no time to search for links but the yanks signed miguel cairo for infield depth...also signed ramiro mendoza & al leiter to minor league deals.
From Yankees.com:
Cairo inks one-year deal with Yankees (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060105&content_id=1291716&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)
Yanks sign Leiter to Minor League deal (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060106&content_id=1292345&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)
QuoteThe other players invited to camp were: left-handers Dusty Bergman and Frank Brooks; right-handers Matt Childers, Mark Corey, James Brent Cox, Philip Hughes, Ramiro Mendoza, Jose Enger Veras, Steven White and Kris Wilson; catchers Ben Davis, Jose Gil, David Parrish, Irwil Rojas and Omir Santos; infielders Eric Duncan, Daniel Garcia and Russ Johnson; and outfielder Chris Prieto.
Quote from: phattymatty on January 08, 2006, 03:47:33 PM
no time for a link? got a busy little sunday afternoon do ya? maybe home depot, bed bath and beyond? i don't know if you'll have time.
you forgot dinner at the olive garden.
How dare you attempt to have a family life and also post to this message board!
Quote from: mhunt on January 08, 2006, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on January 08, 2006, 03:47:33 PM
no time for a link? got a busy little sunday afternoon do ya? maybe home depot, bed bath and beyond? i don't know if you'll have time.
you forgot dinner at the olive garden.
Shoot yourself.
Seriously. With all the unbelievable Italian restaurants up there, even to suggest the Olive Garden means that for you, all hope is lost.
:-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on January 08, 2006, 08:47:27 PM
How dare you attempt to have a family life and also post to this message board!
Family life is for the gays.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 08, 2006, 09:38:25 PM
Quote from: mhunt on January 08, 2006, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on January 08, 2006, 03:47:33 PM
no time for a link? got a busy little sunday afternoon do ya? maybe home depot, bed bath and beyond? i don't know if you'll have time.
you forgot dinner at the olive garden.
Shoot yourself.
Seriously. With all the unbelievable Italian restaurants up there, even to suggest the Olive Garden means that for you, all hope is lost.
:-D
watch old school.
Nothing to worry about...really...nothing....won't linger for long... (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/worldclassic2006/news/story?id=2369778)
Whatever. They still have that Bing Crosby guy, right?
(http://www.nypost.com/photos/yanks09242006096.jpg)
Who farted?